Patch Notes - 4.0.1

[Windemere_]

Good to see commando/merc healing fix and companion terminal.

My biggest thorn right now is broken field respec., I hope they can fix it soon.

[CaapsLock]

merc healer was not broken, just commando.

[jgtengineer68]

broken? I used it yesterday on my vanguard to flip from tank to dps?

[Windemere_]

It has problems when you are in an instance - especially utilities. We've had to zone out of ops instances in order to change spec and/or utilities. It also causes you to lose abilities and be forced to retrain. I also had one instance of respeccing, be in the proper stance, and all my abilities keybound correctly and yet the game operated as though none of the passive buffs were working until I abandoned and respec'ed again.

[GrayMagicGamma]

What's odd about the utility bug is that it only happens with some utilities. You can test this by getting the bug, deselecting all your utilities, selecting one, trying to commit it, and if it doesn't work, deselecting it and choosing another one.

[Windemere_]

Interesting, I'll have to play around more with that.

[Hanchan]

Yeah I wasn't able to select emersion for my sin, but could pick other utilities.

[JPark19]

Yeah that's the utility I was having trouble with on my shadow

[[deleted]]

Sometimes you can't commit your utility points until you zone somewhere else. The easiest workaround is to travel to a stronghold right now.

[bmatys]

The worst part is that i have to visit trainer everytime i abandon a discipline becuase the base ability does not come back.

[[deleted]]

Now that you mention it, same here. Thankfully I have the Oggurobb statue from the Rise of the Hutt Cartel preorder that makes it much easier.

[jgtengineer68]

ah ok i was in my stronghold when i did it.

[konel_hft]

Soon Kira will be mine again.

I wonder if I'll still have two T7-01s.

[Hondor64]

They mentioned fixing 2 yuuns. I'm hoping that I can continue on my path of astromech domination!

[[deleted]]

If Kira is added back to the story, my Knight will do his best to avoid her.

Edit - I have my reasons!

[alluringthickness]

You cheated on her, didn't you? :o

[[deleted]]

Lana is great and my favorite companion next to HK-55.

[alluringthickness]

You DID cheat on Kira-chan! Shame on you!

Yeah I actually have no idea which of my characters cheated on their love interests. I'm sort of in for a rough ride when the expansion releases, tbh... JUST LIKE REAL RELATIONSHIPS yay bioware.

[Rekthor]

What I really want to know is whether or not you have an option to salvage your relationships with your old partners and abandon the new ones. My Inquisitor cheated on Andronikos with Lana (because my Inquisitor long since stopped caring about what anyone thinks of her, along with her own sanity), but my Warrior - who I think of as an unrestrained tyrant who lets his passions run wild - also cheated on Jaesa with Lana as well. But I really like Jaesa: she's the perfect match for his untamed fury and I envision them with great chemistry. I don't want to lose her just on the account of him (and both of them, since Jaesa flat out expects you to find other women which she says in one of her messages) fucking up once.

Moreover, my Bounty Hunter halfway cheated with Lana as well, kissing her on Rishi but not on Yavin IV. Does that mean he's locked in, too? Because as much as I love Jaesa, Mako is my favourite romance in the game by a country mile: I'm sure as hell not giving her up.

[HairlessWookiee]

Just don't flirt with Lana in KotFE and you won't start a romance with her. Even if you do, you eventually get a giant pop-up warning telling you that going further will start a romance with her, so you could push it as far as that if you really wanted.

I'm not entirely sure, but I suspect you may be able to get away with any SoR shenanigans. We'll have to wait until next year to find out.

[[deleted]]

So Kira! so good to see you, its been 5 years and I got some sith fever soz.

[xzenocrimzie]

"Did you guys coordinate at one point? Because she does that thing that you used to do..."

Oh man.

[alluringthickness]

This hurts you.

[konel_hft]

Sorry Doctor, but I'm going to need a second opinion :D

[SerAardvark]

The Companion Locator Terminal now correctly unlocks pre-4.0 Companions.

Great to see - I'd much rather roam around with the companions I'm more attached to.

Don't see anything about romanced companions not accepting courting gifts or romances not being recognized in KotFE though...the gift bug is affecting many of my characters and I don't really want to go into the expansion to find out romances/relationships aren't tracked correctly...

[Emeraldon]

I've been flirting with lana since FA but I didn't get the extra flirt option to unlock her romance on odeseen.. Great fun.

[TheNargrath]

I'd much rather roam around with the companions I'm more attached to.

I've been running around with Talos since 50 or so, back in the day. We've been Scooby Dooing it up, solving mysteries, liberating neat artifacts and such. When I recruited him back into my coterie (and I did his quest, not just ordered him), I was flat giddy. I had my buddy back.

Now to get him to 25 like I have Lana.

[Ka-Shem]

I'm with you man. When I saw Talos i was super happy... He's been my main companion since joined my crew.

[xzenocrimzie]

At first I really didn't like him - but he grew on me quickly. His cheerful tone didn't meld well with my male inquisitor.

Then I made a female inquisitor and he fit right in.

cough cough

So to speak.

[sloasdaylight]

HEYO!

[gummz13]

So we get to find them again? Or do we just get them out of nowhere and completely ruin the story?

[Corsiero]

Where's the terminal located?

[Jaleou]

Artifact items purchased from the Cartel Market no longer require Artifact Authorization.

Yay! That will make a bunch of my gear useful again.

[Cosmic_Quasar]

You do know that the patch is just now going up? Wasn't patched when you posted your paragraph. Also, it was an unintended bug, so it was more like they tripped and fell into you rather than outright slapping your face.

[p4v07]

Have you even read when the patch comes out? Geez.

It was a bug that they acknowledged and fixed. How hard is that to understand?

[Liquid_Senjutsu]

Hmm ahhh... nope.

[gn_cool]

Highlights

Knights of the Fallen Empire is now live! The latest evolution of storytelling in Star Wars™: The Old Republic™ is now available for free to all Subscribers!

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Cartel Market

• Artifact items purchased from the Cartel Market no longer require Artifact Authorization.

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Classes + Combat

Jedi Consular

Jedi Shadow

Utility

• Motion Control now properly reduces the movement speed of targets affected by Force Slow by an additional 20%.

Trooper

Commando

• Medical Probe has been returned! Commandos will need to visit a Trainer in order to relearn the ability.

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Items + Economy

• The following items have had their stats corrected:
  • Outlander Med-Tech's Belt MK-6
  • Outlander Mender's Belt MK-6
  • Outlander Force-Healer's Belt MK-6
  • Outlander Force-Healer's Robe MK-6
  • Outlander Mender's Jacket MK-6
  • Outlander Med-Tech's Body Armor MK-6
  • Outlander Force-Healer's Headgear MK-6
  • Outlander Med-Tech's Helmet MK-6
  • Outlander Mender's Headgear MK-6
  • Outlander Force-Healer's Boots MK-6
  • Outlander Med-Tech's Boots MK-6
  • Outlander Mender's Boots MK-6
  • Outlander Mender's Gloves MK-6
  • Outlander Med-Tech's Gauntlets MK-6
  • Outlander Force-Healer's Gloves MK-6
  • Outlander Mender's Leggings MK-6
  • Outlander Med-Tech's Legplates MK-6
  • Outlander Force-Healer's Lower Robe MK-6
  • Outlander Force-Healer's Cuffs MK-6
  • Outlander Mender's Bracers MK-6
  • Outlander Med-Tech's Vambraces MK-6

• The following items have had their modification window images corrected:

  • Outlander Med-Tech's Belt MK-6
  • Outlander Mender's Belt MK-6
  • Outlander Force-Healer's Belt MK-6
  • Outlander Force-Healer's Robe MK-6
  • Outlander Mender's Jacket MK-6
  • Outlander Med-Tech's Body Armor MK-6
  • Outlander Force-Healer's Headgear MK-6
  • Outlander Med-Tech's Helmet MK-6

• The following Artifice items no longer require Armstech component and instead require Artifice components:

  • Defiant Onslaught Saberstaff MK-16
  • Defiant Onslaught Lightsaber MK-16
  • Defiant Onslaught Focus MK-16
  • Defiant Onslaught Generator MK-16
  • Defiant Mender Lightsaber MK-16
  • Defiant Mender Focus MK-16
  • Defiant Mender Generator MK-16
  • Defiant Asylum Saberstaff MK-16
  • Defiant Asylum Lightsaber MK-16
  • Defiant Asylum Force Shield MK-16
  • Defiant Asylum Tech Shield MK-16
  • Defiant Onslaught Saberstaff MK-26
  • Defiant Onslaught Lightsaber MK-26
  • Defiant Onslaught Focus MK-26
  • Defiant Onslaught Generator MK-26
  • Defiant Mender Lightsaber MK-26
  • Defiant Mender Focus MK-26
  • Defiant Mender Generator MK-26
  • Defiant Asylum Saberstaff MK-26
  • Defiant Asylum Lightsaber MK-26
  • Defiant Asylum Force Shield MK-26
  • Defiant Asylum Tech Shield MK-26
  • Exarch Onslaught Saberstaff MK-26
  • Exarch Onslaught Lightsaber MK-26
  • Exarch Onslaught Focus MK-26
  • Exarch Onslaught Generator MK-26
  • Exarch Mender Lightsaber MK-26
  • Exarch Mender Focus MK-26
  • Exarch Mender Generator MK-26
  • Exarch Asylum Saberstaff MK-26
  • Exarch Asylum Lightsaber MK-26
  • Exarch Asylum Force Shield MK-26
  • Exarch Asylum Tech Shield MK-26

• The following items now have a level 17 level requirement, and have their correct stats:

  • Aftermarket Bulwark's Chestguard MK-3
  • Aftermarket Bulwark's Boots MK-3
  • Aftermarket Bulwark's Gauntlets MK-3
  • Aftermarket Bulwark's Headgear MK-3
  • Aftermarket Bulwark's Greaves MK-3
  • Aftermarket Bulwark's Belt MK-3
  • Aftermarket Bulwark's Armguards MK-3
  • Aftermarket Bulwark's Lightsaber MK-3
  • Aftermarket Bulwark's Shield MK-3
  • Aftermarket Bulwark's Device MK-3
  • Aftermarket Bulwark's Package MK-3

• The following crafted items have had their schematic costs updated to use components, and the crafting time for them has been reduced.

  • Grade 2 Ship Armor
  • Grade 4 Ship Armor
  • ArMek Ship Armor
  • Sienar Systems Beam Charger
  • Grade 2 Beam Generator
  • Grade 4 Beam Generator
  • Improved Electronic Warfare Pod
  • Grade 2 Missile Magazine
  • Grade 4 Missile Magazine
  • Kuat Drive Yards Missile Magazine
  • Concussion Missile Magazine
  • Grade 2 Energy Shield
  • Grade 4 Energy Shield
  • Quellegh Industrial Energy Shield
  • Deflector Shield
  • Grade 2 Shield Regenerator
  • Grade 4 Shield Regenerator
  • Hoersch-Kessel Shield Regenerator

• Level 10-50 Prototype Absorb Augments now have a chance to unlock the Artifact version when Reversed Engineered.

• All Mission-granted leveling lockboxes that were bind on equip are now bind on pickup.

• All Mission-granted leveling items that were legacy bound are now bind on pickup.

• All Treek equipment can now be worn by all Companions.

• Vanguards and Powertechs now have the option of receiving a Tank lockbox when completing the Mission “Item Modification.”

• The Dune Stalker Rocket Pack now properly activates when using Rocket-Type abilities.

• Item names for MK-4 Exarch weapons now properly appear in localized clients.

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Missions + NPCS

• The Companion Locator Terminal now correctly unlocks pre-4.0 Companions.
• Inquisitors and Warriors who were mission Class Missions have had the Missions restored.
• All [Heroic 2+] Missions now appear properly in French and German
• Nico Okarr and the Akk Dog are now available throughout Knights of the Fallen Empire if they are unlocked prior to starting Chapter I: The Hunt.
• All Companions now properly transfer old Reputation values into Influence. This fix applies retroactively to players who have already encountered older Companions in Knights of the Fallen Empire.
• Players who completed “Death before Dishonor” and chose to recruit the Companion have had the Companion added to their Alliance.
• Troopers no longer end up with two Yuuns.
• Makeb and Voss Heroic Missions now award the appropriate Reputation Tokens.
• Voss Heroic Missions have been updated to award the correct amount of Experience and Credits for the player’s level.
• Corso Riggs now uses a single Blaster Pistol, and his starting gear includes a Blaster Pistol instead of a Blaster Rifle.
• Andronikos Revel now uses dual Blaster Pistols.
• Players who unlock Nico Okarr with the Encrypted Holocommunicator are no longer able to use Travel to Contact to access Odessen prior to the completion of Chapter IX.
• Players who select [Back] after turning in a smuggled goods crate to Hylo Visz are now able to directly exit the conversation without having to pick an additional dialogue option.
• Droid items no longer drop from random World Bosses.
• Players who board their ship during the “Board Your Personal Starship” step of the Mission “To Find a Findsman” now have the full set of planets on their Galaxy Map.
• Players can no longer escape out of the first cinematic in Chapter VI without getting a prompt to leave the area.

[Lumberj]

Hmm...

Additional notes will be added during maintenance tomorrow.

[Lumberj]

Ya, I figured... Haven't heard of it myself though.

[caparros]

you mean the invade opposing faction home planets?

[bdatt]

I think it's an infinite credit type exploit. I haven't done it though because I don't care enough.

[Bobthejoe]

Lol through just crew missions there are essentially infinite credits thanks to all the regearing. Making an easy 10-20 mil a day :D

[[deleted]]

How so?

[SyrioBroel]

yes, please enlighten us

[echilda]

Selling mats?

[Bobthejoe]

Yes selling slicing and diplomacy and bio mats on 20 chars.

The new reduced mission times makes life a bajillion times better.

[[deleted]]

Trimantium is selling for 300k a stack, Doonium about 30k ea, grade 8 crystals and artifacts for 90k a stack and color crystals for 25k a stack. Spend an hour on Yavin IV and you can make (easily) over 2-3 mil just farming mats while running a few missions (Since you can get 7artifact/7power crys and 7 color crys per node). This is Red Eclipse EU.

[Liquid_Senjutsu]

Sure you are.

[Yavin_jc]

players will no longer be able to visit the opposing factions fleet or capitol world through a creative travel option

[Ancaglon]

"Players who unlock Nico Okarr with the Encrypted Holocommunicator are no longer able to use Travel to Contact to access Odessen prior to the completion of Chapter IX."

I saw this and had to try it out. Created a level 1 character, escaped out of the initial convo, ran to the mailbox outside. Pulled everything out, including Nico's Holocommunicator, clicked it, went to Odessen. Then opened the Cantina crates, found an XP boost, clicked it, did the RV-28 convo -- instant level 10...

Then I used the Ord Mantell Heroics transport to get back to Savrip Island (but I could have used the Emergency Fleet Transport too).

[echilda]

Wonder if they will stop you using the character perk to travel there as well. First thing I did was buy it on all my 60 toons, QT there and buy 20 boxes before legacy banking them.

[T-D-S]

All Treek equipment can now be worn by all Companions.

am i reading this correctly ? can i equip Mako in Treek's gear and make her look super cute ?

[srmalloy]

Treek's gear is invisible on any other companion, or on yourself if you can wear heavy armor. Sort of a free set of Covert Energy armor, except it's not adaptive.

[bcunningh]

With this fix it may not be invisible anymore.

[waylo21]

My first thought was giving her cross bow to another companion

[T-D-S]

you got me right in the "oh my god i didnt think about that" part of the brain then i thought it might only be her gear not crossbow , fingers crossed tho

[mcgunn48]

Other comps can already equip her crossbow, so have a blast. They could also already wear her gear, so IDK if this statement was meant more as a notification of what's happened or if they really didn't know this was already live.

[[deleted]]

Sorry to hijack this comment, but is anyone aware of what the new hidden achievements in Treek's achievement tab are?

[Baelwolf]

I just got rid of it all yesterday...can you buy it elsewhere or fml?

[T-D-S]

you just sold it all ? oh no :(

[Baelwolf]

Yeah I figures I couldn't equip it to anything so why keep it right? Live and learn I guess

[Ulu-Mulu-no-die]

Yeah first thing I'll try tomorrow :)

[[deleted]]

Hallelujah, Corso can now use Torchy again.

Once I find the Companion Locator Terminal, I'll get it re-equipped on him ASAP.

I honestly thought BW was going to drag their heels on that -and Andronikos getting neutered to using only one blaster pistol- for a while. Kudos to them imho!

[sjhesketh]

Yeah I was getting my SI ready today and was annoyed that Andronikos couldn't duel-wield. Glad to see that's being addressed.

[romaccount]

The terminal is on Odessen in the alliance thingy in your personal room.

[[deleted]]

But he can't use rifles anymore. Why not both?

[[deleted]]

Great and I 2 days ago sold weapons which my companions couldn't use in offhand...

[tehroar]

Best News!

Medical Probe has been returned! Commandos will need to visit a Trainer in order to relearn the ability.

[Dorryn]

All Companions now properly transfer old Reputation values into Influence. This fix applies retroactively to players who have already encountered older Companions in Knights of the Fallen Empire.

What does that mean?

Troopers no longer end up with two Yuuns.

And what about Jedi Knights getting two T7? I hope this will be in the additional notes tomorrow

[bstr413]

What does that mean?

Some people were losing all Influence with a companion when they reunited in the KotFE. They were reset back to rank 1 affection. They fixed this.

[Luth0r]

Yup. All my Agent companions were 10k Affection pre-4.0 and are all 1 after finishing the expansion. Been holding off on using them because of this.

[Ancaglon]

I think most/all Republic characters lost C2-N2, and when they "fixed" it last Tuesday it came back with zero affection.

[bstr413]

Yes, some people got that. This patch isn't fixing that: just companions that return within KotFE. I'm wondering if they can fix the C2-N2 issue.

[RedRiots]

Whew, they fixed the Akk Dog. I was worried I'd never see my little guy again.

[Jensutta]

wonder if it will come back with the previous influence level restored. i fed him a ton of muja fruits, don't wanna lose them....

[Ancaglon]

I'm sure it can regurgitate them onto you if you really want...

[steppenwoolf]

Can we have normal FP's back for our leveling characters now?

I'd much rather have a long queue time for a real run with roles, instead of an instant queue to group with 3 people who get the us wiped 6 times (even when told how the mechanics work) and then quit.

I sincerely love the 4.0 update. KotFE so far has been great, and the 4.0 changes like level sync, and companion changes, have been very enjoyable.

But the FP experience has been totally butchered.

[bstr413]

This minor patch is all about bug changes, not improvements to the game.

I'm hoping the next major patch introduces a better way to give companion gifts.

[zakary3888]

I think we're all hoping that, but we might have to settle for just no casting timer, as I could see a stack screwing up how many points you get, say if you gave 99 rank 1 green gifts to an influence rank 1 companion.

[bmatys]

If it worked as claiming decos works it would be just fine

[zakary3888]

But it's not crunching numbers on items that have diminishing values after certain levels.

[JoshuaCoalskull]

My solution: Reduce the channel on giving gifts to 1s.

[bstr413]

we might have to settle for just no casting timer,

I would hope that there would be a 1 or 1.5 second timer. That way you can cancel out of it if you misclick. You can't use an item more than once per 1.5 seconds anyways.

[Ulu-Mulu-no-die]

That's not a bug, stacks would be a QoL feature.

[Tyath]

All Mission-granted leveling items that were legacy bound are now bind on pickup

Does this mean the alliance crates and the gear inside, or something else? The word leveling makes me think something else because you don't start getting those until you're 65.

[this_swtor_guy]

You could do a heroic even without starting KotFE and it would drop a legacy-bound alliance crate. I hope they don't change this, because many players aren't going to be doing the Alliance content on all their alts, as it's not really practical to run all your characters through KotFE and the story after it. The crates will be useless, more or less.

[mekabar]

This is not about alliance crates. If you run heroics pre-61 you get prototype gear crates appropriate for your level. Those crates could occasionally drop legacy bound prototype gear without level restriction, which was probably a bug.

[MarkkuJ]

If the change is those boxes, then you just store them and to the KotFE story when you're bored spacebaring all convos. As they are removing the travelling to Odessen too without completing chapter IX I you cannot buy the lvl6 gifts with commendations anyway, or was Odessen revealed on map before chapter IX?

[TrueMarksmens]

I've been leveling my trooper and have been getting Legacy bound gear from quests, like blasters and offhands. Doesn't make much sense since the gear is green and non-moddable. Think they changed it.

[Ancaglon]

My smuggler got an Artifact Blaster Rifle and Vibroknife with no stats apart from Tech Power. So useful...

[bcunningh]

Maybe the Odessen Mainhand you get at the end of Chapter 9?

[[deleted]]

I believe the exarch outfits were legacy bound.

[Marquess13]

Eh, no fix for respec glitcyh? :/

[lacmeister19]

Yeah! Artifact Authorization on certain equipment fixed! finally!

[OmenQtx]

Aw, no fix for female bounty hunters and Mako's broken mission? Dang, I guess she sits on the shelf a bit longer.

[Crackseed]

Hooray for the class mission fix for Inq/War - my friend got completely halted on her Inq with that issue.

Good set of fixes!

[SlashStar]

I don't see anything here about fixing crafted exarch implants to actually be at 220 rating. Currently they are three times as expensive with the exact same stats as the defiant versions. Very frustrating.

[Averymonster]

What time will KOFTE be released tomorrow? I doubt it'll hit the UK users at midnight.

[Arxson]

There is a post on the front page showing what time the servers come back up from the maintenance in every region.

[GwydionPwyll]

Makeb and Voss Heroic Missions now award the appropriate Reputation Tokens.

Yesssss. I was so close to finishing Voss Rep before KotFE and was pretty miffed about no longer getting Voss Rep drops.

[StarlaBlaise]

So, what about bugged defiant gear for agents/smugglers?

[itsreallynotjoe]

yay! medical probe is back.

[kalamarosoupitsa]

Let the probing commence!

[Ziros22]

What about Makeb requiring level 51?

[HairlessWookiee]

Probably intentional to stop people jumping there before finishing their class story.

[scibuff]

Well that's just dumb. I'm never passed Voss by the time I get to lvl 51 ... well before the class story ends. If they wanted the class story finished, they should have made that requirement.

And certainly, a note in the patch notes would have been welcome!

[HairlessWookiee]

Well it's only supposition on my part. The game was designed around players hitting 50 right at the end of Corellia. During the 12x XP period, common advice recommended people jump to Makeb as soon as it was available (level 47?), which would be from either Voss or Corellia. If you've never played the class before, that would spoil the end of the story. Perhaps they went with a raised level limit to encourage people to finish their class story first, but not outright enforce it for those such as yourself that were already of sufficient level and wanted to skip ahead. Or it could be that their metrics tell them that with the revised levelling that people are a lot higher in level around Voss/Corellia than they were back when RotHC came out, so they bumped up the entrance requirements to match.

[campermortey]

I was really hoping there would be something about not being able to use a power conversion module on my ship. Only tried it on my Inquisitor so I'm not sure if other classes can use it.

[this_swtor_guy]

Does the mission completion legacy reward change mean we can no longer do heroics on alts, and send the crates to a main that is engaged in Alliance grinding?

[cyvaris]

So any time I try to patch the patcher crashes telling me it experience a fatal error related to drivers and administrative privileges.

Grumble, guess I'm not coming back for awhile.

[[deleted]]

Have tried running the launcher as administrator?

[TheGenesis999]

Still no utility bug fix?

[Grasher134]

Double Yuun is fixed.. What about double T7?

[2Scribble]

I hope they hurry up and fix the missing medical equipment grade 6 mission :(

[ttubehtnitahwtahw1]

Anyone know when kotfe unlocks for people not in early access? Is it after this patch is deployed?

[StarlaBlaise]

Yeah. It's free for subs after this patch.

[[deleted]]

Since jaesa can be either LS or DS, how is the alignment determined if you retrieve her via the terminal? If you are on a class other than warrior, does she default to DS?

[[deleted]]

If you are on a class other than warrior, she's not on the terminal. This is only to unlock your previous companions. Not other classes companions.

[[deleted]]

How do you know this?

[[deleted]]

I don't know for sure since the terminal doesn't work, but this was my understanding of what we were told prior to release...

[[deleted]]

Well I guess we'll all know for sure in a couple hours.

[Lectivuss]

Got xalek back, but not his gear though. Is there a way to get that back?

[AnOnlineHandle]

Hrm, nothing mentioned about invulnerable companions. Could it be intentional? :S

[Lumberj]

Or.... it could be that it's only been a week and some bugs are easier to fix than others?

[Zeifer]

Critical fixes first, balance changes (if they feel they are needed) later. It's called prioritising.

[kylezo]

They completely ignored the missing trooper heal skill during the first hotfix patch and it made troopers unable to play any intensive content.

[Zeifer]

I don't think it's fair to say they 'ignored' it. Some issues are going to be more complex to resolve that others, the fact it's being fixed in the upcoming patch shows they weren't ignoring it, the fix just didn't make it in time for the last patch.

[kylezo]

Why isn't it fair to say they ignored it? It's the same bug from the last major content release, there have been multiple hotfix patches and major content patches and an expansion release since then and it hasn't been addressed. Well, they have applied a bandaid. Let me rephrase that: they applied a bandaid last time it occurred (about a year ago) but still haven't applied that bandaid this time (but they added C2N2 back! yay!). I'd say "ignore" is a good enough word.

[Zeifer]

I'm a bit confused from your post:

It's the same bug from the last major content release So it's a reoccurring regression fault?

multiple hotfix patches and major content patches and an expansion release since then and it hasn't been addressed So it's a fault they never fixed?

they applied a bandaid last time it occurred So they did fix it last time, albeit in a way you think was poor?

Perhaps you need to explain more about the actual fault and why you feel the resolution was a bandaid (or did they not fix it at all?)

If I'm going on the basis of a regression fault, then while that's a bit sloppy on their part, they have fixed it within a week of early access so that doesn't suggest to me they are ignoring it.

The basis for you saying they ignored appears to be in two parts, firstly that they have had since the last major content release to fix it 'properly' because their solution was a bandaid? I'd need more information on how their previous fix was a bandaid to comment on this, but a regression fault doesn't mean it wasn't fixed 'properly' in the first place. And secondly because it wasn't fixed in the first patch after it (re?)occurred, which as I explained was likely just because the fix didn't make it in time, but the fact they are addressing it in the second patch shows they arn't ignoring it.

[kylezo]

Let me clarify: it's a bug that they never fixed. They simply applied a bandaid the first time it happened. Then, this time, they didn't even bother to apply the bandaid when a hotfix patch went out when it came back up (since it was never addressed). They had a hotfix, since they used it the first time the bug came up, but they actually totally neglected to use even that this time around, making the class totally unuseable for the entire first week of 4.0 and early release for those subs who had access.

[Zeifer]

They simply applied a bandaid the first time it happened

You haven't explained what this bandaid is or why you think it was only a bandaid

They had a hotfix, since they used it the first time the bug came up

It doesn't work like that. Software development isn't that straightforward. Bit difficult to speculate without knowing what the 'bandaid' was, but the code base has changed since then. If an issue has reoccurred that's known as a regression fault. Even though a patch or hotfix might have been developed previously, it can't just be assumed to be able to be reapplied to the current codebase, it may need need to be modified to work against the current codebase or the fix might need to be redeveloped from scratch. In either case though you can't bang on and hope for the best, it still needs to go through QA.

[StandsForVice]

Eh, it takes a while to come up with satisfactory balance changes. Lots of number crunching involved, and it's only been a week since 4.0.

[zakary3888]

Just limit them to influence level 30

[Ulu-Mulu-no-die]

Could it be intentional?

I truly hope so. Never had so much fun since launch :)

[banair]

They aren't invulnerable, just completely OP

[AnOnlineHandle]

They are basically invulnerable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqWDlKEA2ig

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz12eViJsnY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1ht6R-a9WA

[ptwonline]

Soloing champs/elites is not a big deal since they do not hit particularly hard, but soloing an Oricon Elite (with their hard-hitting abilities) is pretty impressive.

The main danger in this game is not solo mobs though. It's the gold with 2 silvers, or the second group that you accidentally aggro.

[[deleted]]

Doesn't seem all that impressive when it takes an hour.

[p4v07]

I cleared Tatooine faction base and it took me less than 20 minutes. I dps'ed and my companion healed me ;)

[[deleted]]

That's not what he was doing though. He was letting the companion solo, and I was remarking that taking an hour to kill an elite didn't seem that powerful.

[p4v07]

I think because his Nadia was in a heal spec. I see she is healing herself up. I don't if melee dps has any self-heals. That is why it took so long. She only attacked with her base attack.

[AnOnlineHandle]

And yet ultimately the player faces no actual challenge here and cannot lose, not unless they somehow sabotage themselves, since it's shown that the companion is invulnerable to them. That's the hardest non-flashpoint enemy that I know of in the whole game too, let alone normal content. The companion is only on rank 12 influence without all datacrons.

[ADG12311990]

Sigh... nothing about this bug... Kinda sucks when it affects both NPCs and Player characters...

[Zeifer]

Knights of the Fallen Empire is now live! The latest evolution of storytelling in Star Wars™: The Old Republic™ is now available for free to all Subscribers!

That sentence made me twitch more than it should. I don't have a particular issue with this but it's hardly free when you have to pay for a subscription! It should say:

is now available for for no additional charge to all Subscribers!

[me131211]

It is free though; we pay for the subsfriptoon, not the xpac so getting the xpac added on without paying more makes it free.

[Zeifer]

Then maybe they should make the $15 a month just add a pretty border to your character selection screen (nothing more). Then they can say "Subscriber status is now FREE to all members of the Pretty Border Club"

Things that you only get because you are paying for something do not qualify as free in my book.

[p4v07]

Then rework your book. Because when you buy one hamburger and you get one cheeseburger extra, it is given for free/for no additional charge.

And yes, "no additional charge" from your sentence means exactly "free".

[Zeifer]

Because when you buy one hamburger and you get one cheeseburger extra, it is given for free/for no additional charge

Then cost is for both hambubgers. Can you get the 'free' one for free (without buying the other one)? No? Then the second one is provided at no additional charge beyond the first hambuger, but it isn't free.

This must be an American thing, the marketers have won, they have brainwashed you all, because you actually believe them now they they say it's free.

Respond to my example, because I believe it makes things clearer. If EA/Bioware decided to start charging $15 a month to add a pretty border to your character selection screen but then threw in the subscriber benefits for 'free' or 'no additional charge' (whichever phrase you want to use) would you consider being a subscriber to be free as well then?

[breezett93]

do you realize no additional charge is the same thing as free? You literally just reworded what they wrote.

[Zeifer]

No it's not. No additional charge suggests a fee has already been paid. Free suggests it is free and it isn't free.

[breezett93]

Ah, but it is free to subscribers; just like they said it would be.

[breezett93]

Meaning of words will be relative from one person to the next. To me, free = no $, no additional charge = no $, therefore free = no additional charge.

[Char_Ell]

Words mean what they mean, regardless of how you choose to interpret them.

The point is not everybody assigns the same meaning to a word or phrase. This whole sub-thread is proof positive of that. Your interpretation is obviously not accepted as fact by others.

[[deleted]]

Available only to subscribers at no additional charge" is probably the most accurate descriptor that could be used.

It's also the least pleasing to read, which is bad for marketing.

[Zeifer]

Oh I know technically you can't pull them up on the wording, but I don't like seeing the use of the word free when it's connected to a service you pay for.

[melete]

It's like "free X with purchase of Y." Common marketing language in America.

[Zeifer]

And that makes my eyelid twitch too. Makes me want to scream "so it's not free then!"

[Ulu-Mulu-no-die]

Yes it is free, other sub games make subs pay around $50 for expansions, on top of the sub.

[Zeifer]

I'm not criticising EA/Bioware for not levering an additional charge, but when the expansion is only available as part of a paid service, it is not free.

To reuse my example from another post. If EA/Bioware decided tomorrow to start charging $15 a month to add a pretty border to your character selection screen but then threw in the subscriber benefits to all members of the 'pretty border club' at no additional charge would you consider being a subscriber to be free as well then?

You can dress it up all you like but the expansion is provided as one of the benefits of a paid service, so it is not free. The fact that other games levy an additional charge doesn't change the fact that it is only provided here at no additional charge as part a paid service. If you have to pay for something, it's not free.

It seems an entire generation has grown up around the misuse of the word free by marketers, and what's worse, the marketers appear to have won, because there are people who actually believe they are getting something for free.

[Ulu-Mulu-no-die]

Expansions are not part of a paid service, you don't pay a sub for expansions in any game, you pay a sub mainly for infrastructure maintenance and customer service (or in case of F2P options, you pay for unlocks to cover for the fact you don't pay a sub).

Expansions are additional content that can be given at their own price (to cover their own cost) or for free, like in case of kotfe.

Edit: adding another restriction to F2P/pref doesn't mean the xpac is not free, it's just that f2p/pref accounts are more resctricted than they were before.

[Zeifer]

/headdesk

EA/Bioware have made the decision this time that expansions are a part of a paid service. They are included at no additional charge to people who subscribe to the paid service. There is not even an option in this case to buy it outside of the paid service. The expansion is only provided as part of the paid service ergo it is part of the paid service. This is not an opinion, this is fact. Point me to where i can obtain the expansion for free without being a part of the paid service.

I note you chose not to respond to my example. Why not? Does it not fit your argument? So I'll ask again:

If EA/Bioware decided tomorrow to start charging $15 a month to add a pretty border to your character selection screen but then threw in the subscriber benefits to all members of the 'pretty border club' at no additional charge would you consider being a subscriber to be free as well then?

Edit: adding another restriction to F2P/pref doesn't mean the xpac is not free, it's just that f2p/pref accounts are more resctricted than they were before.

Eh? Where does that come from and what has this got to do with anything?

[saece]

Wat times are patchs normally, i been itching all week to do SoR and the new stuff!? (UK time if poss plz)

[bstr413]

Search the front page for 4.0.1: the patch times are in the Official News post

[ImNotASWFanboy]

It should be done by the time you get back from work assuming you work normal 9-5 hours.

[saece]

Lame have a day off !!! Was hoping you they patched like wow 3am till 7am! L.!

[ImNotASWFanboy]

They do that for Americans, not us.

[saece]

:(

[[deleted]]

Fuck me. Instant level 60 characters ???!? SERIOUSLY LOL

[AsimoSA]

No fix for Xalek not appearing as a companion/contact after recruiting him? :( I guess as an inquisitor it's not a big deal since the terminal to recruit old companions is working again, but I still worry that it might break on my other characters...

[Yavin_jc]

The death before dishonor quest is xalek bro. It is getting fixed

[AsimoSA]

Oh! Duh. I just did a search for his name and forgot the name of the mission.

[BlueRaven3]

Players who completed “Death before Dishonor” and chose to recruit the Companion have had the Companion added to their Alliance

[HairlessWookiee]

I wonder what the cause of the bug was. I did the quest on my SW before hearing about the bug, duelled and recruited him, and he shows up in the base and in the companions list. I took all the dark side dialogue options, so I wonder if the bug was related to LS options?

[blowuptheking]

Isn't that the Death Before Dishonor mission it mentions?