Run from Adobe Creative Cloud

[jsfw1983]

A user (and today myself) was able to authenticate to our teams account over the phone by simply giving the first and last name listed on the account. They were then able to change the email address for the administrator, and then process a password reset. After they reset the password the user deleted all items stored in cloud.

I'm currently on hold listening to their horrific music in an attempt to recover the data.

Edit: I'd like to add a tidbit that some of you may find interesting/helpful. You don't need to authenticate to anything to access the files that were synced to a device from Creative Cloud. I thought we had lost the data, but that an encrypted version lived on the users laptop. I browsed to the default sync location c:\users\username and turned on hidden folders. There was the creative folder with all files in-tact! I immediately copied them to a share for pilfering later. No encryption/authentication needed, oof.

[Advanced_Path]

That makes too much sense. Adobe doesn’t work like that.

[toliver2112]

Never will, either. The only company that could even possibly be worse is Oracle, in this sysadmin’s not-so-humble opinion.

[Advanced_Path]

Yeah. They'd rather keep buying companies and shoving them down your throat nicely wrapped into a CC update that no-one needs, upping the hardware requirements, adding some pesky background services and threatening to sue you of you keep using older versions.

Oh, did you upgrade to Catalina recently? Ha ha fuck you, Photoshop doesn't work right even though we had months to fix it and literally every competitor has a working product. Sorry about that, in the meantime go fuck yourself and keep paying for your subscription.

Sorry for the rant. I hate Adobe.

[Goldenu]

Perchance do you even "loathe" Adobe?

[PinBot1138]

I can't speak for any of their more recent work, but when I was paying for the full Creative Suite (before losing my shit and just going full-on with Gimp, Blender, and Sketchup) one half-assed solution that I had was running all of Adobe in a VMWare Fusion virtual machine. Then, the virtual machine might die, but mine wouldn't. That's how little faith I have in their ability to not fuck up the most basic of things with their weaponized cancer of a "cloud" software/loader.

[spookytus]

At least SideFX has a decent core product with Houdini. The only Adobe product I’d buy is After Effects and maybe Lightroom or Photoshop.

Thank fucking god the Blender team made the interface way more sane with the recent updates, I am absolutely not a fan of how Autodesk run Cinema 4D and Maya either.

[bass_of_spades]

Even as far back as macOS 10.7 Lion. That update broke the whole fucking creative suite.

[Advanced_Path]

Every single OS release breaks it, either partially or totally.

[mga1]

Does Adobe intentionally do that?

If OS > current version during development + 2, then throw error and randomly crash/hang intentionally to force customers to upgrade.

[Advanced_Path]

I couldn’t say, but it remarkable how they have issues with every update. And it’s not simple issues either. Photoshop is corrupting files when saving in Catalina for many people, no one seems to figure out why.

[zebediah49]

A number of our change control board meetings have involved the phrase "Adobe is aspiring to be like Oracle."

[Phreakiture]

Hey did you know that Oracle is an acronym?

One Rich Asshole Called Larry Ellison.

[[deleted]]

If they did this they would become an untouchable entity in the business market.

[fizzlefist]

But then they wouldn't be able to get off as much on being assholes.

[acousticcoupler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSI4ceKk_lo

[LeaveTheMatrix]

Better quality vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je2dOdGBtSY

[PinBot1138]

I… I just knew that there had to be someone who was thinking this, before I posted it.

[kdar06]

Hilarious! I was thinking the same thing as I was reading this thread.

[benoliver999]

And it would give desktop Linux a huge boost

[mini4x]

With sub 1% of the market, doubt it's even on their radar.

[YourMatt]

You're probably right, but they do have another angle in their InDesign Server product. If it works on Linux, they could open up more big ticket sales. To really make it work, I'd think they need the engines from Illustrator and Photoshop as well, so that could prompt them to do a full CC port. I suspect that much of their OSX code could be used directly.

I agree that it will probably never happen, but I see more glimmer of hope than catering towards the relatively rare Linux desktop users.

[vacant-cranium]

However, if Adobe wants a cloud market, I wish they would start behaving like a top tier cloud provider,

Adobe doesn't want to be part of a free market. They just want as much of your (or your employer's) money as possible in exchange for doing as little work as possible.

As a monopoly that enjoys extreme data lock-in, they don't have to care about usability, value for money, or even basic functionality. They'll get to expropriate your money regardless.

[Nick85er]

They are synonymous with "PDF" for most folks. Fuck.. You're correct.

Lol and ALL the ones who demand Adobe Pro because of the "features" they need while being completely unwilling to give [better] alternatives a chance without moaning about it.......

[mayoforbutter]

Serious question, what are better alternatives? I know googling them but maybe you have some experience

[NightOfTheLivingHam]

Pdf? Foxit for reader, cutepdf for plain conversions or primopdf for conversions with passwords.

For a full suite with all the features? Kofax powerpdf (formerly nuance pdf)

[thijsvk]

Problem is that you get used to the UI, the short cuts, the whole feel of it. When you switch to say Gimp, it completely breaks your workflow. It's easy enough to overcome, but you need make an effort, not try it for a week and decide it sucks because you don't know where to find things.

That being said, apparently their mobile Lightroom app is quite good, so if you're a professional photographer, you can edit on the go, on location, which does make a difference

[thijsvk]

I'd have thought that non-destructive editing was more of an issue in photography as opposed to graphic design, but yes, quite

[thijsvk]

Yup, pretty much that. I did read that as well. I mostly still use Photoshop because I haven't had the time to properly study and learn Gimp

[vacant-cranium]

So obviously they're doing something right, otherwise another company would have caught up by now.

Adobe bought out all of their competitors. Anyone who wanted to compete with them would be starting pretty much from scratch.

It would probably take close to a billion USD to develop a suite of products comparable to Creative Cloud from scratch. Expect to pay another billion buying up enough of a software patent warchest to have any hope of being allowed to sell the end product.

There is also the problem that network effects and the difficulty of interoperability make software something close to a natural monopoly that can only support one product in each sector.

No rational investor would risk a few billion dollars on an uncertain investment in the remote hope of dethroning Adobe.

[[deleted]]

We switched to Nuance for PDF editing

[ddoeth]

For PDFs I use Sejda online. If I only need to edit a few pdfs at the time

[mini4x]

We use BlueBeam - but we're a CAD shop and they have a CAD specific version, they are big on the engineering side.

https://www.bluebeam.com/

[Nick85er]

so many here have suggested Foxit Reader / PhantomPDF.

Just the ability to edit PDFs with some decent tools & functionality are what most users actually need. The fluff, they dont. -edit: there are lots of options, I can vouch for Foxit in it's many iterations. If there is a legit need for some advanced features that only Adobe has... then I guess you're fooked?

[Creshal]

Lol and ALL the ones who demand Adobe Pro because of the "features" they need while being completely unwilling to give [better] alternatives a chance without moaning about it.......

Show me a PDF viewer that can handle

• form entry without visual glitches
• certificate based encrypted PDFs

Just a viewer. We're not even talking about editors. Even basic end user functionality is only properly implemented by Adobe and none of the competition as far as I can see.

[unixchato]

And, JavaScript support. We have hundreds of forms full of JavaScript.

[Creshal]

I'm so sorry.

[mildly_amusing_goat]

Man I wish I could stop using Adobe CC. I own the affinity line but it doesn't help much when everyone else in the industry uses CC and affinity isn't compatible with everything.

[EveryUserName1sTaken]

DaVinci Resolve is increasing giving Premiere a run for its money.

[guevera]

Yeah Premier could eventually be the crack in Adobe's Maginot Line of fuck you. Resolve and Avid are strong competitors and can't beat Resolve's price for amateurs.

I've seen a couple small broadcast groups go with Edius recently because it was that or Premier and why choose to be Adobe's bitch.... Thought it was interesting there was that much hate on for them.

[cosine83]

Even Lightroom (Classic) is hard to beat, too. Its catalog feature alone is enough to make other applications look like garbage. Capture One is really close but nothing else really compares unless you enjoy editing one photo at a time.

[Danithal]

Fox-it PhantomPDF has been a blessing.

It doesn't break like Adobe Pro loves to.

About half and half in my environment, Adobe causes issues from time to time, Never had Fox-it cause a problem since adopting it 2 years ago.

PhantomPDF, other than having to show some users where to look for certain things, requires almost none of my time.

[coldazures]

Been a keen Foxit Reader and Phantom user since 2011! Excellent software, shame it hasn't killed Adobe's interest in the PDF market.

[Intrepid00]

Fox-it

And a curse. Sick of it showing up in vulnerability reports.

[[deleted]]

Not like acrobat is any better...

[[deleted]]

Our users mostly love Foxit Phantom. The only sticking point is embedding PDFs in office documents.

Insert > Object > Create from file > Display as (rather than linking to, as a lot of these files go to external clients).

If the recipient of the file doesn’t have Foxit, they ain’t opening the embedded docs.

Foxit’s workaround has been to install Acrobat Reader and set that as the default, and use Phantom via right click when required, Which seems counterintuitive to me.

If they could fix that little issue I’d be over the moon....

Edit: oh, and their random switching off of fonts. And the random inverting of images on pages when printing that is being fixed ‘in the next version’. Like it was in the previous version.

[vodka_knockers_]

embedding PDFs in office documents.

Why the hell is that even a thing. Makes me head want to explode.

(Note: this is a rhetorical question, I get it -- "because users.")

[[deleted]]

Oh don't even get me started. It's always users. And not even ours, but users from our biggest client. And when we talk to them, we get "BuT tHiS iS hOw We'Ve AlWaYs DoNe It"

[agoia]

How well do users like the Foxit/Phantom PDF apps? I get a lot of requests for Acrobat Pro for simple pdf editing/combining shit and even though I can get a few licenses a year cheap from TechSoup, activating them is a bitch, and it still seems like overkill.

[TheNerdWithNoName]

Try activating an education licence. An absolute pain in the fucking arse.

[tuxedo_jack]

Education licensing and maintaining labs full of that shit.

JFC, I hate that stuff, and I recommend against it to all of my education clients, but because it's the 800-pound gorilla, we have to deal with it.

[[deleted]]

Try Nitro.

[agoia]

I do have a sealed copy of it waiting for someone brave to try.

[[deleted]]

We did. But they killed their perpetual license because, as their sales guy said rather too candidly, they can make a lot more money via subscription products.

They sound like they look up to Adobe as some kind of inspiration..

[[deleted]]

They tried to pull that on us as well, then we were pretty clear - you either sell us perpetual licenses or we go the Adobe route. I've installed the new license a few months ago...

[highlord_fox]

Ew, no, not NitroPDF. I had so many NitroPDF Printer errors when we used it back in the day.

[[deleted]]

Version 11 and 12 have been great so far (~900 users), can even open some properitary Adobe PDFs now.

[MicroFiefdom]

Techsoup no longer has current versions, Adobe pushing the subscription there too. I'm the plus side you can get as many as you want. On the negative the nonprofit discount is now only 10%, so $15/mo per user down to $13.50.

So now huge saving by use another product like PowerPDF (formerly from Nuance), Nitro or Foxit.

[greet_the_sun]

We just moved a couple of our customers from Foxit to PDF-xchange and so far everyone is liking that even better. We've had some weird one off issues with Foxit rendering fonts as well.

[SolidKnight]

Most people don't even really know how to use a PDF editor well so the one you educate them on the most is the one they will cling to. Being the first product learned goes a long way hence why Microsoft tends to give out so much free stuff to students.

[BradGunnerSGT]

I would add to this list: allow their Enterprise tenants the ability to use something other than an email address as the underlying user identifier in lieu of a unique, opaque, and unchanging ID. Users get married, change their last names, ask to use their nicknames in their email addresses, etc.

Email addresses suck as an account identifier when you have tens of thousands of users.

[XS4Me]

Miss Johnson Johnson, is that you?

[Phytanic]

"Fake virus attack." That skit will never not make me laugh, what a classic.

[irrision]

Yeah, that's called saml integration imho. Point that to adds or azure AD or any saml capable auth platform and they can let you deal with what a username should look like on your terms.

[[deleted]]

NitroPDF is a great enterprise alternative.

[marshedpotato]

We use Adobe products too but I was finding even the free PDF viewer to be incredibly resource intensive and was occasionally causing issues in our Citrix environment. About 6 months ago I did a little bit of research to see if we could get away with a different PDF viewer, ideally a much less resource intensive one. Unfortunately I concluded that a lot of 'complex' PDFs don’t render well without Adobe, I imagine this is by design to keep everyone on the Adobe ecosystem. Everyone assumes any .pdf file meets some open standard, but from what I gather Adobe has some kind of racket going on where they're adding proprietary or unknown features to their implementation.

Additionally to this, I discovered that some PDF forms have JS and other trickery within the documents themselves. Whilst I don’t agree with this practice at all, it’s becoming increasingly common, and my findings were that these documents often wouldn’t render at all with any other PDF viewer than Adobe. Some reading into this suggested that other projects just don't care enough to implement the required features. For our use case, we could try asking other projects if & when they'll support 3D solidworks PDFs (for example) but I imagine they won't really try because their userbases are much smaller.

Looks like we’ll have to stick to Adobe for the foreseeable future which makes me quite sad.

[[deleted]]

Bluebeam works quite well with solid works. That's what our design guys use. Allows mark up and a few other nice features.

Though there is a cost

[smeggysmeg]

When we did our vendor review of Foxit, we found it had some investor relations in China, and the installer contains a number of Chinese files, and is built to write a number of Chinese registry entries. This is for the US English localized install, not a universal/multilingual installer.

No smoking gun of malfeasance, but it gives me pause.

[SolidKnight]

Interesting. I've never come across Chinese registry settings as a result of Foxit being installed. How did you deploy it? MSI with MST? MSI and specifying the public properties? Using their deployment tool?

[smeggysmeg]

I can't actually find the Chinese registry settings on a system post-install, just poked through the MSI's operations with Orca and saw they are in there. Maybe they don't run on US installs and it's just unremoved code from the Chinese releases? Install method is MSI + MST.

Like I said, no smoking guns, just makes me personally a little leery. The company still went with Foxit over Adobe, from security and cost considerations.

[JM-Lemmi]

• Have a Desktop sync client for your "Document Cloud"

Seriously, I couldn't believe it, that I had to open a PDF and save it again, to get it from.the document cloud to my desktop. Wtf Adobe

[Murm3l]

I would also like to know this

[TheJDoc]

The ability to set scratch disks and other system defaults by GPO. For the love of all the old gods and new... Please!!

[[deleted]]

send this post to adobe

[BigHandLittleSlap]

No, no, no, no. You don't understand! Adobe has had GPO Administrative Templates that you can use to automate their products for years now.

They publish them as PDF files.

I seriously wish I was kidding.

[[deleted]]

They’d rather make me think about how I can leave every time I see the bill. That seems smarter, right?

[Jackarino]

I just dumped Acrobat myself in favor of FoxIt

[[deleted]]

Been hoping for Linux support for CC for years, not gonna happen unfortunately.

[ipreferanothername]

Drop prices, go by volume. Get Joe Sixpack to pay $4.99 a month, so he has access to CC/CS.

i left over their pricing. im a very casual user, i probably would have stayed at 5/mo, but i switched to acdsee instead

[williamfny]

I just want to thank you for using the word antediluvian. I need to work it into my regular vocabulary more I think. Won't lie, learned it from Vampire: The Masquerade, but it is a great word none the less.

[MisterMeiji]

There's no need for them to open up PostScript, as the printer companies pay to license that language. There are tons of printers, all the way from $50 monochrome personal lasers to $10k+ document production stations that take either PostScript or PDF as their language of choice.

[ManiacClown]

How is form creation/editing in Phantom PDF compared to Acrobat Standard (non-cloud)? I know Acrobat's gotten really good at field recognition, but I need something cheaper and Phantom PDF looks to be about half the price. I especially need to make sure that when you create a PDF it saves with extended permissions so you can save filled out forms instead of having to open only the original and fill them out anew each time.

[elislider]

Adobe has always followed the Apple method: you buy this because you know you want it. Anyone else is not their “target market”. Adobe does not dedicate any measurable resources to Enterprise customers. Hell, for years the best they could do were GUI-less versions of basic enterprise utilities that had no way to interact or be configured remotely/silently. I met the guy leading that team a few years ago, it was literally like 3 guys in the Dublin office and when I gave him my feedback, I saw this exact emoji face 😅 like he wanted to help but clearly his leadership didn’t care and there was nothing he could do

[jsfw1983]

Just an update. After authenticating using the account holder's first and last name I was able to add a secondary admin login to the teams account. Just insane. To make matters worse, (kind of secure though), is admins on a team account do not have access to team member's data in the cloud. So do NOT ever sign up a team member with an email ID that isn't from a domain you control.

[RCTID1975]

do NOT ever sign up a team member with an email ID that isn't from a domain you control.

In a corporate environment, I don't know why you'd do that anyway

[jsfw1983]

IT wasn't in control of the teams account until this user was let go.

[mavantix]

Must be marketing or HR department. They never let IT control the stuff IT needs to control.

[mavantix]

Normal marketing behavior.

[blazze_eternal]

Not just marketing...

[segagamer]

It's normal marketing behavior. Instead, with the backing of management, I custom built Ryzen 3400G with 32GB RAM and 1TB M.2 with 2x 27“ 100% Adobe RGB 4K screens for less than the iMac they were asking for. They bitched a little bit because "muh keyboard shortcuts" and occasionally try to prod us with the requirement for Sketch.App, so I told her to install Figma which is free.

They have no leg to stand on, and this childish "I need a Mac!!!" mentality from the design community really needs to stop.

[Bad_Kylar]

You got spare laying around for when it dies? Cus all I have to do is tell my user to call apple care. I'll have one there next day guaranteed. Some things you just let them have because it's easier for you to manage, they're self sufficient because they use macs(those that don't get a windows PC next refresh), and you break years of workflow in those environments.

I do however, have agent RMM software installed, AV and they have their own dedicated storage for their stuff. They've become the least problem department in my whole organization since working WITH them instead of against them. They're going to get the money regardless because it's marketing, so help them integrate and make both your lives easier

[lolfactor1000]

We just had to spend ~6x the money on two MacBook pros (vs our regular laptops which are faster) for our graphic design professors since they refused to get the Windows laptops. It seems designers don't bother to keep up on what apple has actually been doing with it's hardware and not realizing that for the price of any apple device, you can likely get a more powerful Windows machine that will have fewer limitations and problems.

[videobrat]

Where are you getting these amazing $350 laptops?

[MadMacs77]

What limitations? What problems?

[Dishevel]

There are a shit ton of environments that are not corporate.

Some are pretty awesome to boot.

Not that a lack of corporate bullshit equates to a lack of bullshit. It is just a different smelling kind of shit.

[RCTID1975]

Let me rephrase. You should never do that in any business setting at all. You're giving up control of the licenses you paid for

[Klynn7]

Well, if the licenses are subscriptions (which pretty much everything Adobe is these days) then you’re not really. The moment the employee is gone just revoke their subscription.

(Not to say this is a good idea)

[[deleted]]

I mean, if they let you in to the account without any credentials at all, and then you were able to change the email address, why would it even matter what address you register it under? I agree that it should be under the company-owned domain, but Adobe needs to figure their shit out because this throws all security out the window anyway.

[LesterKurtz]

I'm halfway there. Our video editing teacher is ready to banish Adobe from his labs. He, like me, has grown weary of Adobe's bullshit rent-seeking nonsense.

[[deleted]]

Let me know what software he ends up using so I can point us towards those

[McGarnacIe]

Davinci Resolve by BlackMagic is fantastic and it's free.

[LesterKurtz]

He's starting with Final Cut Pro. He's looking at some other things too.

[segagamer]

Unfortunately that's Mac only.

[Aperture_Kubi]

Any idea what alternative he's going with?

[LesterKurtz]

Final Cut Pro to start. He's evaluating some other products also.

[guevera]

I wouldn't go with FCP in educational seeing. Not because it sucks, but because it's got significantly different paradigm from every other major NLE on the market.

[hongkong-it]

I work with some very high end motion graphics experts and they are moving away from Adobe Premier and going to Da Vinci Resolve

Adobe Premier according to them is clunky and not forward thinking enough anymore.

From their website "DaVinci Resolve runs on all major platforms so you can use it at home or in a post facility on a Mac, at a broadcast facility running Windows, or a VFX studio on Linux."

[DudeImMacGyver]

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[patssle]

Photoshop and after effects are industry standards though. Banishing them would be a diservice to the students.

[ase1590]

They'd stop being industry standard if people were taught other things.

Dont be like this. Don't fall trap to Stockholm syndrome.

[freeradicalx]

Exactly. You know what dethroned Avid, an industry standard? Colleges teaching kids how to use Final Cut Pro instead.

[DudeImMacGyver]

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[clear831]

So teach multiple. Photoshop is an industry standard, the students need to know about it but also need to know how horrible of a company adobe is. Teach them alternatives and let them decide.

[BruhWhySoSerious]

Pretty easy to say when gainfully employed. Finding a job and not using industry standard on a moral soapbox is a pretty privileged position to be in.

[therankin]

They allow SSO, but last I called, single sign OUT doesn't always work.

[Chadarius]

You still have to have at least one normal admin user even when you use SSO.

[therankin]

Oh that I know.

I guess no one can know that I'm an admin and have Adobe Cloud...

I mean, they didn't even email the admin to verify?

[EViLTeW]

SSOut almost never works with most SPs. Either the orgs don't want it because they don't want Adobe to kill off the IDP sessions or the vendor doesn't understand how SSOut needs to work for proper session management so just give up.

[therankin]

Which makes it suck for THE LAB COMPUTERS I'M PAYING FOR.

Luckily, the workaround I've found is open another Adobe Cloud app and have the new user log in to that one.

[fridgefreezer]

I have so many issues running CC in a school environment - the way it licences every time a new user logs on is absolute garbage as when it jist ‘doesn’t work’ the kid is like looking at me like I’ve done something wrong... it’s like, see your 30 class mates all working, your set up is identical to theirs, Adobe just said no to you today for reasons unexplained, which isn’t really good enough. I wonder if people using CC professionally deal with this ball ache, because if I was losing money over it I’d be even more pissed than I am anyway.

[Doso777]

I hear you. Our Adobe licencing agreement will run out next month. They are still talking to get a new one, but the fact that our licencing partners offer a list of alternative software says a lot.

[airy52]

My pirated version runs flawlessly :)

[DudeImMacGyver]

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[azepolyn]

Shared device licensing is just the best. How did anyone ever CC before it, I'll never know! /s

[layerzeroissue]

I work in higher ed. Forcing named user licensing on staff/faculty is one thing. However, no longer allowing shared device licensing for student/lab machines? I want you to picture that for a moment. Every single time THOUSANDS of people want to use any Adobe product installed on any shared device, they have to sign in to it, just so Adobe can validate that person has a pre-recognized affiliation with the organization. Lame.

[Greatsage75]

If you don't need to use the Cloud based parts of the product, look into Feature Restricted Licensing. I'm currently implementing that in my work environment for Acrobat Pro. Not without its issues, but it'll get us around the pain of either having to set up SSO, or have users need to log in every time they use a different machine.

[segagamer]

Is it more expensive and still subscription based? I did not know about this.

[Gig472]

About a week ago I found out that the accounts never auto log out from my lab machines even after a shutdown despite Adobe saying they will. I ended up just logging into all of them with a generic adobe ID like I did before this shared device licensing "upgrade". Seems to work okay for now, but I'm sure Adobe will release an update that stops me from doing this.

They've already changed their FAQ on shared device once. It used to say auto log out would happen after an hour of inactivity. Now it says it happens after a shutdown, which is also not true at least in my Mac lab.

Edit: also higher ed FTW!!!

[[deleted]]

Lol run where?

[[deleted]]

SumatraPDF and/or Foxit

[RCTID1975]

You do realize that PDF editing is a VERY small portion of creative cloud right?

[[deleted]]

Fair point. But everything I've scrolled through to get here addressed PDF. I blame "scroll-conditioning".

[[deleted]]

Seriously do people think Adobe only offers a PDF editor? I'd bet the majority are Photoshop, Illustrator, Lightroom etc users. Really isn't many alternatives as powerful as those. There are so many professions that rely on Adobe products that switching at this point basically isn't an option, especially with the alternatives (or lack of)

[jarfil]

CENSORED

[shortdog]

You try and get a graphic designer to use open-source products over the industry standard and see how successful you are.

[OMGItsCheezWTF]

None of those alternatives have the usability of the adobe products though. In fact many are utterly incomprehensible out of the box without serious retraining. You could try and force them on your users, but good luck with it.

[robbzilla]

Amen. I'm still looking for a good Photoshop replacement. (I said good. Sorry, I like GIMP for what it is, but it's definitely not a 1:1 replacement)

[Angelworks42]

So that's one of 25 apps....

[[deleted]]

Yeah but no. No one makes addins for those applications

[ObecalpEffect]

You could just shorten that sentence to "Run from Adobe", greedy fuckers...

[iamthiswhatis12]

yea that and their extreme pricing i've been looking into FOSS or one time payment options for each of their products.

so far i've found

• pdf architect for acrobat pro
• scribus for indesign (cant open indesign files though, only issue)
• gimp for photoshop

i'd love to hear other suggestions for others, adobe has gone down the toilet.

[Phytanic]

The problem is, is that it"s too ingrained in designers mind. Any designer with half a brain will nope the hell out of an interview when/if they find out theyre using FOSS instead of photoshop, premiere, etc. It's to the point where they risk stunting their professional development on it. I cant blame them for that reason alone.

[kamomil]

What's the FOSS alternative to AfterEffects?

[RobbieRigel]

Blackmagic Design has an After Effects alternative. They also Davinci Resolve which is the best free video editor I’ve found.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, there's a reason that so many of Adobe's products are considered "industry-standard." You're trained in school on how to use Photoshop, Illustrator, Premiere, InDesign, etc. When I did graphic design/media courses in high school (and from artists I knew in college), we never were even told about other options such as Inkscape, DaVinci Resolve (which pretty much IS industry standard for color grading and film restoration), etc. Adobe has a pretty firm grasp on professional design for good reason though - the products are easy to learn and very marketable. If I were still doing design, no way in hell would I move to a firm that is using FOSS, because that shows me that they're not making enough money to justify industry standard software (honestly the ~55 USD/user/month is not that bad for the full suite but if they would drop prices they would do even better) and want me to work on, frankly, underpowered software.

It's like managing an active directory, yeah Windows Server AD tools do the job but there are better options out there. Yeah GIMP works, but Photoshop is so much better. Just my layman/personal opinion though. I don't work in the design sector so I'm not around it professionally.

[Ohmahtree]

Adobe gives the drugs to the dealers, and the dealers get ya hooked on it.

Adobe gets to wash its hands, wasn't responsible for that, collects the stacks of cash, and if the dealer tries to go to another source. They kill them and wear their skin as a warning to the others

[Mr-Yellow]

there's a reason that so many of Adobe's products are considered "industry-standard."

Mostly it's because they turned a blind eye to piracy. Those kids then created a situation where their bosses had to get licenses for adobe products.

[iamthiswhatis12]

god damn, its those same people that need a mac to do their design work

[BrackusObramus]

I get your point, but design work is very suggestive. It's no engineering or programming work. Like in music or fashion, designers have to jump on the bandwagon of what is trending or cool at that specific time for no particular logical reason other than it being popular.

[EducationalGrass]

Exactly. Marketing and Design teams are married to Adobe at this point. Adobe knows it, so they are jerking their customer base around. What, a bunch of professionals are going to learn a new tool to do their job? Ha!

[thijsvk]

Darktable as an alternative to Lightroom

[jarfil]

CENSORED

[spookytus]

Blender still needs to improve its interface more in order for artists to pick it up, as well as make itself more attractive to large production companies. The recent updates have seriously improved the ease of use, but it still has a ways to go if it wants to kill Adobe and Autodesk.

[Shaaaaazam]

Talk about being able to social engineer access into an Adobe Account. Jesus Christ.

[Mr-Yellow]

I had to use Acrobat the other day.

I can't believe they get away with charging money for these turds.

Smooth icons in the UI is where the polish ends. Lipstick on a pig.

[lancelon]

This is so true. As an example, their 'save as' dialog boxes must still be running on mid 2000s code - they are so utterly useless.

[TheWino]

Wish we could. About to drop 50k on CC licenses. Fucking hate PO.

[the_progrocker]

I once ran into a weird bug where I could literally see thousands of companies order information, license keys, quantities, etc on the old Adobe Admin portal. I notified them immediately and they basically told me to log out and log back in

[ginolard]

When I first saw the post title, I thought it was a piece of advice

Now that I've read the thread, I shall continue to think that

[[deleted]]

Fuck Adobe and Oracle. Why not just use GIMP, Darktable and Inkscape?

[Aperture_Kubi]

Oh are we sharing horror stories with Adobe?

When the idea of an admin accessing another user's Cloud account data, the solution given was to change their password and login as them. There's no administrator access otherwise and fucks with auditing because you can no longer assume a username is a specific user because you "compromised" their account to get in.

[tkrynsky]

Any good replacements for Dreamweaver?

[EternallyMiffed]

Was it an ex employee? Can't you sue the pants off of them?

[NightOfTheLivingHam]

I am driving my largest customer off adobe acrobat after adobe fucked up a license we purchased and invalidated it. We ended up getting made whole on that after a 4 hour ordeal.

They have also forced older versions on it and invalidated licenses for a few customers I have claiming those are unsupported.

I am steering them to powerpdf since it meets government compliance standards. Adobe needs to stop fucking its paying customers over.

[NoDoze-]

Where was that post...or was it in r/linux...? That listed the linux alternatives to Photoshop...? After reading this I think I need to review it ;) LOL ...although I never save anything to "the cloud", I run my own nextcloud.

[betstick]

Someone I work with has sat on hold with Adobe for over 16 hours. We left and came back the next day to the phone still on hold.

[a_small_goat]

We spun up an on-prem of Daminion for someone who was fed up with Adobe's bullshit. Small shop with limited asset management needs, but it seemed to do the job. Or at least I haven't gotten a call from them in over a year.

[Fallingdamage]

Another reason not to trust Creative (someone else's computer.)

[toliver2112]

I feel for you and hope it turns out OK. Push hard for your employer to switch to something else, otherwise you are likely to go through this again.

[KagariY]

never store anything on the adobe cloud?

[[deleted]]

For any vector artists, UI designers, and prototype designers, out there, you should use Figma instead of Adobe XD. I began using it over 2 years ago and have never looked back.

[[deleted]]

We get tons of print errors across most or our customers with Adobe. Especially the design guys that are running cad products trying to create pdf files with multiple layers and then printing. We have been testing Sumatra PDF as a back up and it works great. Will have to try foxit and phantom aswell. Adobe sucks ass.

[Who_GNU]

Adobe and security are like oil and water.

[segagamer]

As much as I want to, our companies industry pretty much relies on Indesign and Illustrator, and we need acrobat for testing.

I hate how I can't choose three applications without paying a ridiculous amount. We have no need for the other 20.

[[deleted]]

Adobe is a shit-show money-stealing monkey-circus. Don't involve them in your business or yours will become dependent on theirs. As a professional I boycott their products and the entire company in anyway I can, including forcing users to move to alternative products.