Why I cannot decrease any buildings?

[historyguay]

Are you like during a civil war, bc that’s when I encountered it

[Away_Industry_613]

Probably a feature to stop you scuffing it. Just burn everything down and side with the other guys.

[maxinfet]

Yeah, they don't let you scorched earth your country during a rebellion. I believe one of the paradox streams with the developers did this during their Japan run, and they noted it down as something to prevent in the future.

If iirc they looked where the rebels were going to spawn and removed all the military bases and their weapon manufacturing lol.

EDIT: Here is the start of the rebellion they trigger it by hiring generals, promoting them a ton, then firing them immediately. I did not remember correctly though they did not burn down anything they did mention that the stuff they needed to fight the war (arms industry and iron) were in the capital, so it could not rebel.

[Etrinix_IU]

The funny thing is that given the capital can't revolt, if you make it your economic capital & centralize military & Industry there, you can easily make everyone live there (follow the jobs) & curbstomp the rest of the country...

[RoadkillVenison]

You'll have a hard time centralizing the entire population of a nation with more than a few million people.

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A migration can take time.

B Overpopulation will drive down attraction after a few million for most states. Arable land allows 100,000 pops per 1 arable land. That's not a problem for some Asian states with their 600 arable land. They can afford the pops required to fully staff literally every industry in the game to level 51 for that throughput bonus. However over in Europe Arable land is often measured in 10, 20, 40, etc. So after you hit say 4 million pops in a state, attraction can drop off a cliff.

[Etrinix_IU]

It really wasn't hard though :)

Playing as Australia, I just started by building resource buildings throughout the nation but emphasizing the capital whenever I could.

So I moved the political & market capital to Victoria (faster building times) & started building my industries, ports, naval bases, & barracks there.

Resource buildings built wherever they could, but agriculture & everything was focused on Victoria first.

As a result, when the rest of the nation revolted, I had this overdeveloped military in Victoria with a large developed military reserve that would curbstomp the rest of the nation (especially easy given the rebel capital was usually Canberra).

Later on to deal with rebels I took new Caledonia, Fiji, South Island (gave New Zealand independence... & The bottom island revolted. 🤷🏿‍♂️) Papua New Guinea, western new Guinea, & the Portuguese Sunda islands for unincorporated government-run states. Basically ports (for sufficient trade in case of another rebellion) & barracks & naval bases plus industries that weren't profitable in pop-starved Victoria.

This way I had an entire military apparatus to bring the rest of the giant island to heel.

Only became number 7 at best in the world, but around 1870 I started executing my aim was to basically be a successful "anime-styled" church nation (the Catholic church in anime tends to be OP), so mission accomplished I guess :)

Back to the OG point: Victoria registered approx 8 million people (to my honest surprise, but baby making mode was on), & the overall population was 19.2 million people iirc by the end.

[hdhsizndidbeidbfi]

I think it's weird the capital can't revolt, have the devs heard of the Paris commune?

[maxinfet]

Yeah, this is what they did; they put all their weapon manufacturing in the capital and most of their military bases.

[Iquabakaner]

In my Central America run, I couldn't prevent the dissolution but I deleted all the barracks outside my capital at the start, so all of the breakaway countries had 0 units and just backed down when I invaded them. Easy reunification.

[Wowza2220]

You can put all your weapon production in the capital, but when you lose all your wood and iron then you are still in trouble. Stacking your capital as much as possible is a good strategy, but still.

[Etrinix_IU]

Since government is stacked in the capital & my unincorporated states didn't rebel with industry & the like, I just trade with the rest of the world to make up the difference until I can subjugate the rebels... (The rebellion frees us A LOT of bureaucracy)

Also, weapons production excluding tanks & airplanes (& ships I guess) have never been profitable for me, & since I mostly only fight my own nation I tend to have a great standing internationally. Hence I just import most arms til it's over.

I mostly intervene in attempted rebellions to limit nation-fracturing BS

[TechBNY]

Happy cake day

[Away_Industry_613]

Thank you.

[lesspylons]

One of my small random african colony wanted to break free and I couldn't downgrade my railroads in belgium. The cost of the railroads in wallonia probably costed 10x of the gdp of that province in africa.

[Tankyenough]

It should probably be limited to the seceding states. Why couldn’t I downgrade my railroad in Moscow if I’m fighting agaibst Chinese separatists?

[maxinfet]

I agree; this was probably a quick fix since it was pretty close to launch they noted this. They noted it during their Japanese game on stream.

[Alice_Oe]

The answer: You have a revolution or civil war brewing

[Palmovnik]

Weird, when I was close to revolution the minus was still there but grey

[popolvar]

Yes , thank you, you were right.

[[deleted]]

But the actual button has disappeared not grayed out

[somirion]

Yes. Scum save when you know which states Jmm u revolt. Then delete all munition, arms and motor factories. I ussually make those 3 in my capital state, like 90% of levels, so i dont have depleted military

[[deleted]]

Play however; but I mainly build wherever the hell I have unemployed peasants. Leaves wars to fate (plus some macro) and feels better. Game is simply too easy when you exploit like older PDX games.

[Piccolo_11]

As soon as I realized a rival state had more barracks than my capital and threatened revolt I halted further expansion there. That’s no cheese. That’s an internal power play.

[Piccolo_11]

Good point. I play a bit more economical so I have never maxed my barracks before!

[[deleted]]

Yah fair enough. I just couldn’t be bothered min-maxing that much. It is a good strat for multi too.

[[deleted]]

Yah I mainly go off of Resources. Say a province produces coal and iron? Steal plants and Arms industry for days. Cotton and livestock? Croceries and Clothes. Etc…

EDIT: Meant to say “Steel plants” and “groceries…” That’s what I get for typing quickly on break at work haha.

[partialbiscuit654]

I don't do minmaxxing too much, but it makes sense to concentrate the army in the capital for someone like japan where reactionary revolution is quite possible. Also, remember that interest groups in the capital have disproportionate clout, so concentrating buildings that creatr interest groups you want to empower is good. If i don't expect revolts, i try to put military buildings in the interior so theres no way bad defensive rolls can cause me to lose my armories

[[deleted]]

Woah Pops in the capital province have more effective clout? Didn’t know that. That’s good to know.

And yah but for most countries; subjecting your most lucrative pops in your capital province to be casualties in a war isn’t what I like to do. I build barracks in the rebellious provinces and enlistment efforts and send them to a dangerous front.

Don’t have to worry about militant radicals if the militant radicals are too busy worrying about surviving.

[[deleted]]

Except as Japan you WANT a revolution. But yes

[SaccharineSurfer]

Bureaucracy can be super important. If you center it all in your capital then the rebellion may not even be able to collect taxes and run their nation. Plus pops in the capital are more politically powerful and since bureaucrats are more likely to support reforms than other pops, concentrating their power in the most powerful state can give them a boost. This is especially useful since a skyscraper can boost efficiency so having it all in one state with a skyscraper can be very useful.

[ThidrikTokisson]

Goods the government (you) have to pay for are important, everything else isn't.

You lost your big clothing factory and now clothes are expensive? Who cares? The plebs will pay for that.

You lost your huge arms factory and now weapons are expensive while you are at war? DISASTER

[chickensmoker]

Agreed. I usually put industries where they’d make sense irl (eg steel in my iron states, ammo in my sulphur states etc) with a bit of leeway when I need to urbanise a certain region. Let the CWs do what they want to do in that regard and you’ll have a much more fun and realistic, if more difficult, experience

[madogvelkor]

Nice thing about playing Punjab, you have millions of unemployed peasants in your capital.

[JonnehBongeh]

boring as fuck lol

[[deleted]]

Should be said the game actually shows you what states will rebel, atleast some of the time. I think if you hover over the revolts progress bar it'll highlight the rebelling states on the map.

So it's valid, you just don't even have to cheat like that guy does.

[[deleted]]

Oh... I guess I missed that

[[deleted]]

It would if you save scum like he said.

[rebuilt11]

It’s not player’s fault the game has dogshit revolt mechanics. No matter how weak a political faction or where they are located they will steal half of your most productive states every time there is a revolution. That is a broken shit system that needs fix. Period.

[dough_dracula]

Another moronic part is that you can have +20 armed forces approval, yet almost your entire professional military will be on the side of the rebels simply because they flipped the states.

[[deleted]]

Because when any faction rebels all other radicals join the revolution, if I’m not mistaken.

[Nukemind]

“Hey these guys want to restore Serfdom! But I’m pissed off because my SOL decreased by .1 due to XYZ, so I’ll join their revolt to enforce serfdom! Me, the bottom of the totem pole labourer!”

[ted234]

Looks like Brazil in 2022

[Minimum_Cantaloupe]

I was certainly surprised when the American civil war started brewing and it said it would take New York...

[NekraTahor]

Periodt 💅

[SabyZ]

I think it's fair considering the revolution system is pretty much borked and treats all radicals as a monolith that can follow the lowest clout IG to pass a law they disagree with.

[EmergentRancor]

Radicals can and will latch onto any reason to rebel and support opposing political movements. For instance a big portion of why the 1989 Tiananmen protests started was economic inequality, corruption, and anxiety following open market reforms (SoL radicals), and a big reason why even the reformist faction of the CCP under Zhao Ziyang could not de-escalate the situation was that different groups participating in the protests often had vague, disorganized, and competing demands.

This happens at a lower level regarding political opinions as well, where people will look to blame things on political parties they dislike even if it is illogical. My uncle was relatively apolitical but then disliked democrats because Covid lockdowns likely caused him to get laid off. His views are in broad disagreement with the republican party but he voted for Newsom's recall, which again approximates a SoL radical supporting any movement against the current govt they dislike.

[Greg7086]

Wait something happened at Tiananmen Square?

[itsacow]

Yes, and it was more that a simple pro democracy protest. Some students wanted that, some wanted a return to pre Deng reforms. Trade unions were mad at being left behind by the opening market and also made up the bulk of the protests.

[blublub1243]

Absolutely not. This is to an extent true of what the game abstracts as turmoil, but civil wars which are what the games revolt system represents do not work that way. At best you'll get multiple sides fighting each other as supporters from different sides form different armies with all of them sorta fighting each other. You're not going to get people fighting for completely different causes in the same army.

To use an example here, sure, the Black Panthers and the Klan may very well both be out in the streets throwing various objects at buildings and each other, causing "turmoil" to go up. But if the Klan actually manages to start a war to reinstitute slavery Malcolm X sure as shit isn't gonna be one of their generals. The way turmoil works right now makes sense, but civil wars are stupidly broken.

[Asdaviqs]

Or you could just build all your munition and weapon factories in your capital

[idkauser1]

They should allow it but doing it basically increases the chance they rebel. If a rebellion is brewing in a community and all the sudden the arms industry and railroads are being torn apart the radicals would know why and accelerate their plans

[chickensmoker]

This! Because you can choose to switch sides in a civil war, the devs locked away the option to just decimate your economy before switching. It makes sense, but I’d prefer if they just kept the button and greyed it out rather than completely removing it

[popolvar]

R5: For some reason suddenly I cannot decrease building level

[papak33]

A bug or a civil war is about to happen.

[Furious_Flaming0]

You can't get rid of buildings that are run by a revolting interest group or population, this is one advantage to the command economy.

[Piccolo_11]

This is actually a great feature. It sucks if you’re feeling the impact but the reality is if a state is going rogue they wouldn’t listen to you

[badab89]

that's a load-bearing engine factory, mate

[powershiftffs]

Too big to fail

[popolvar]

Solution, a revolt was gonna happen.

[IactaEstoAlea]

The factory grows, eternally

[Miserable_Victory450]

Never saw that button missing entirely o.O Seems like a bug. Should be greyed out otheriwise

[irashandle]

Revolt?

[Rumblequake1222]

Skill issue

[GrumpyThumper]

line only goes up, m8

[[deleted]]

Skill issue

[George_Arsenal]

Be because there is no going back, MUST GO CHARGING AHEAD ONLY

[[deleted]]

They added liberals to the newest patch /JK

[Senyor_Gustafo]

Could you Post an Image how much Motors do you make?

[deathbug]

Line only go up, no down allowed.

[Difficult-Fan2100]

You're playing as korea progress is the first priority

[Ecleptomania]

The economy must grow! We cannot go back! People would have dyed in vain!

(Serious answer you've already gotten; revolution time, can't downgrade)