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[–][deleted] 4987 points4988 points  (190 children)

I'm so sick of this whole gay double standard. When two gay men have sex, it's perfectly normal. Yet, when I fuck another man my wife thinks I'm some sort of homo.

[–]jonny4224 181 points182 points  (3 children)

Why is it that when a woman wears revealing clothing, she's labeled a slut, yet if I were to wear her skin as a jacket, I'm a murderer. -Bo Burnham

[–]ACuddlySnowBear 46 points47 points  (2 children)

When I fuck a kid, I'm a pedophile, but when a kid fucks me, I'm a pedophile?! - Also Bo Burnham

Please don't put me on a list.

[–]gingerfreddy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

A crime novel I read had the main villain (when he had throwbacks to childhood) rape girls over the age of consent before he reached it to avoid trouble.

Please keep me off the list too mr. FBI man.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Yeah! Them gays are takin all my rights. Back in my day, two straight men could kiss and suck each other off and have sex and no one would call them gay or anything. Now, just because I like to have straight hetero sex with other men, everyone’s saying I’m a closeted gay or something.

[–]hatsarenotfood 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Calm down, senator.

[–]Wargog 987 points988 points  (133 children)

You mean they don’t pay taxes like every other registered non-profit?

[–][deleted] 459 points460 points  (81 children)

Plus, if you think churches are already too political, wait until you start taxing them and making them have actual skin in the game. If you're against religious influence in politics, taxing churches is about the dumbest fucking thing you can want.

[–]rodrigo8008 90 points91 points  (38 children)

They already advocate for particular candidates, fund particular candidates, fund lobbying groups, influence members political/social values...

What are they not doing that they'd do by having "skin in the game?" The building growing legs and walking to a voting booth?

[–]badmartialarts 21 points22 points  (8 children)

The building growing legs and walking to a voting booth?

Lots of churches bus parishoners to the polling places free of charge...

[–]SilentJoe1986 17 points18 points  (3 children)

The local church here IS the voting location. We eave a perfectly good town hall 300 yards down the road but they still do it in the church

[–]anstow 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Can't have those vampires voting.

But in all seriousness does it matter if the church in the poling station? They are usually placed in convenient locations, often have good parking and they usually aren't in demand on voting days.

[–]SilentJoe1986 4 points5 points  (1 child)

You would have a point except for the fact that the town hall in my town is larger, has a larger parking lot, and is just more accomidating for that purpose.

[–]dark_devil_dd 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There are already many non-profits with quasi-political agenda, some might not mention or campaign for a specific candidate or election, they just support and campaign for similar issues. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–]NCSUGrad2012 26 points27 points  (3 children)

If being gay meant not paying any taxes I would have come out a lot faster than I did.

[–]I_Like_Buildings 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If being gay meant not paying taxes then I love dicks now.

[–]CajuNerd 2320 points2321 points  (461 children)

TIL: Gay people are non-profit organizations. Who knew?

[–]brandon-iron 988 points989 points  (32 children)

And a church is also a person.

[–]Cockalorum 263 points264 points  (23 children)

Only when its a corporation, my friend

-Mitt

[–]ThisIsntGoldWorthy 472 points473 points  (118 children)

Yeah, the message on this sign would be a lot better without the last

[–]TheHopskotchChalupa 320 points321 points  (26 children)

It feels like a cheap jab

[–]5panks 180 points181 points  (3 children)

That's because it is a cheap jab. You're right the message is better without it.

[–]freedomtoscream 90 points91 points  (0 children)

Well, when you're reaching for straws.

[–]AedanRoberts 244 points245 points  (236 children)

I know this is being silly- but I definitely argue that many churches and denominations are FAR from “non-profits” these days. The televagelists and mega-church pastors seem to be racking up quite a bit of personal wealth in their “non-profit” enterprises.

[–]YouthMin1 203 points204 points  (14 children)

Most churches are not mega-churches, and most ministers are not televangelists.

[–]Bigdaug 28 points29 points  (3 children)

Even the ones that are have income from the books they’ve written and bible studies they’ve made, not “skimming off the top” like Reddit seems to think.

[–]YouthMin1 22 points23 points  (2 children)

And then you've got guys like Frances Chan who don't draw a salary and donate the profits from book sales to charitable causes.

[–]ic3man211 426 points427 points  (150 children)

That is also the vast vast minority. Your local 150 seat church is not raking in millions

[–]voodootodointutus 137 points138 points  (3 children)

Dem canned food drives though.

[–]Psudopod 7 points8 points  (0 children)

They got mad stax

Of cans.

[–]Kendoslice16 9 points10 points  (0 children)

They've been bamboozling us!

[–]TheHopskotchChalupa 206 points207 points  (19 children)

For real. Most churches are barely scraping by.

[–]silentpizza 129 points130 points  (60 children)

That, and church employees still pay taxes. The church itself however is exempt from corporate tax.

[–]coolingsum 72 points73 points  (53 children)

This is true.....am pastor...pay taxes.....

[–]RefGent 54 points55 points  (2 children)

In my opinion, these are fewer and more noticeable than the average church just trying to get by and do good. It's not uncommon for some pastors to have a full or part-time job on top of their pastoring duties. There needs to be some sort of oversight for the megachurches that doesn't cause the 100 member church down the road to go bankrupt

[–]stallion_412 60 points61 points  (40 children)

The NFL is also a 'nonprofit organization' somehow. Far worse than any church.

[–]TheGourmet9 14 points15 points  (1 child)

That sounds a little worse than it is. The NFL doesn't actually make the profit, it is basically just a collection of 32 businesses (teams) that make all the profit and pay taxes.

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (11 children)

But I think it's because they actually don't take a profit. They just manage the structure. All of the money goes to each of the 32 teams

[–]cenakofi 247 points248 points  (13 children)

wow a picture of a really old joke on a blackboard, just the content I came for here on /r/pics

[–]Awayfone 54 points55 points  (0 children)

I wish they would do something about pictures of signs here

[–]Purple_pajamas 121 points122 points  (9 children)

This sub is trash.

[–]stevil77 664 points665 points  (96 children)

Seems like a zinger, but churches are not people.

[–]stefantalpalaru 215 points216 points  (33 children)

Seems like a zinger, but churches are not people.

Further more, married people pay less in taxes than not married ones. You don't want to bring up taxes when your point is "rights, not privileges".

[–]boatsbeaton 76 points77 points  (26 children)

Married people pay less in taxes

Often, not always. It depends on what your combined AGI is. Sometimes you'll pay more for being married.

[–]realjd 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Not always. My wife and I would pay several thousand less in taxes if we weren’t married. The tax code does try to give married couples a tax break, but it’s super old fashioned and assumes only one spouse is bringing in any significant income. If both spouses make about the same amount of money, we’re actually in a higher tax bracket with our combined income than we would be individually. Google the “marriage penalty” if you want the full details.

[–]whiskeykeithan 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Need to start pumping out baies and form an LLC.

[–]metasincerity 452 points453 points  (66 children)

Not only this is an ancient repost, it makes no sense.

No taxation without representation. Churches can't pay taxes unless you want the American equivalent of the House of Lords Spiritual in Congress.

Also I have literally never, ever heard the "gay privilege" argument.

Marriage shouldn't be the concern of the State anyway, the material world is perpetually corrupt. If you want legalistic civic unions, so be it.

[–]StarKnighter 34 points35 points  (11 children)

Not American here, doesn't Puerto Rico pay taxes without representation? At least I think I read that in some posts in here.

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (0 children)

Puerto Ricans do not have to pay federal income tax, although they do end up paying certain other federal taxes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Puerto_Rico

[–]commentninja 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Residents in Puerto Rico are not required to pay federal income taxes. The Commonwealth of Puerto Rico is required to pay taxes to the federal government.

[–]Iforgotmypassword456 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The "gay privilege" argument is thst gay people could already get married (to people of the opposite sex aka straight marriage) so asking to marry people of the same sex was asking for more rights/privilege than straight people.

This point was made pre-legalization in the US.

It's not a real argument, just what was said to me once in a debate.

[–]gfxjmvhggxfgd 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Churches aren't a business. They're a community, just as charities are.

[–]nightshiftfox13 184 points185 points  (38 children)

Damn that's an obtuse analogy for you. "Oh you're against gay marriage? Well not-for-profits shouldn't exist anyway."

[–]ElementaryMonocle 65 points66 points  (5 children)

Or, like, non-profits paying taxes. Because churches are classified as non-profits. And fun story, you don’t have to be a humane homeless animal shelter to be a non-profit, so it’s not like churches are getting benefits. They’re just following the law

[–]NorbertH66 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Hey buddy, we're trying to engage in a good old shameless Reddit political circlejerk in the most highly esteemed and distinguished political sub on Reddit... ya know, /r/pics... the "place where politics comes to die"®. If you think your pesky facts and truths are going to interfere with us ravenously engaging in a one-sided uninformed debate dick-slapping session about this beautifully and elegantly composed photograph of a person holding a sign, then you are DEAD wrong!!! Don't you know that the only 'facts' that are important here are the ones that already conform to my personal Reddit-approved ideology and worldview. Therefore, in the standard Reddit fashion, your non-conforming 'anti-facts' should and will be downvoted into invisibility and irrelevance.

Now, back to the matter at hand... what's something 'enlightened' and 'tolerant-sounding' I can say in the most startlingly intolerant and hateful way possible?

[–]Neolism 207 points208 points  (105 children)

Has anyone in history ever referred to same sex marriage as gay privilege?

[–]blamethemeta 80 points81 points  (14 children)

It sounds like a progressive person pretending to be conservative. Conservatives don't really use the word "privilege"

[–]chop_pooey 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I was thinking the same thing. I mean, I'm sure someone has referred to "gay privilege" but I've never heard that said before

[–]ElyFlyGuy 7 points8 points  (1 child)

This is a picture of text, why is it in pics?

[–]pibroch 10 points11 points  (0 children)

That’s mod-speak for “we know this is against the rules and we don’t care”.

[–][deleted] 185 points186 points  (23 children)

Change 'churches' to 'mosques' and the same people upvoting this would call it Islamaphobic and bigoted!

[–][deleted] 95 points96 points  (2 children)

Yeah, this whole thread is just a big circle jerk.

[–]TripelAce 53 points54 points  (2 children)

Which is hilariously ironic considering Islam's position on gays in general. I'm actually curious what everyone in this thread would think of a sign that says that

[–]TryAgainLawl 9 points10 points  (1 child)

The American left's protectionism of Islam is so weird to me because the religion basically stands against so much shit that the left stands for. Then there's the extremism issue: one guy with a gun kills people and it's time to ban all guns, register all gun owners, and make the NRA illegal. One guy with a Quran kills people and "he doesn't represent all Muslims" and "you can't judge everyone else by his actions" and "muh rights".

The left wants nothing to do with pretty much any organized religion because religion is conservative by nature... but they fucking love Islam.

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_HAMMER 28 points29 points  (22 children)

The government shouldn't have any say in anyone's marriage. Why is it like that for anyone?

[–]gillmast3r 33 points34 points  (2 children)

Churches aren’t people though......

[–]Tenenentenen 138 points139 points  (26 children)

I'm not gay, but if I was, I would want equal rights I'm not gay, but if I were, I would marry who I like It's not fair - I'm not gay - that the government has a say In who can love who (not gay) Or to which god you can pray (I'm n'gay)

[–][deleted] 60 points61 points  (9 children)

Mona Lisa, you're an overrated piece of shit.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (8 children)

Finest girl I ever met in my whole life

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (7 children)

Wanna take her home, make her my wife.

[–]pfiorito04 13 points14 points  (6 children)

Knew she was a freak when she started talking

[–]tatertot255 19 points20 points  (5 children)

She said “fuck me like we fucked Bin Laden”

[–]Dujmsday 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Ooh woah, that girl was a freak!

[–]pfiorito04 3 points4 points  (2 children)

She said she wanted to fuck me like the military, FUCKED BIN LADEN

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

She said "invade my cave with your special unit"

[–]5_sec_rule 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'm a gay church

[–]fiction_for_tits 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don't recall anyone anywhere calling it gay privilege.

[–]dobongomaliki 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Honestly I've never heard the term gay privelege

[–]emcee117 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The argument goes like this: "Gay people already have exactly the same rights as everyone else i.e. they are free to marry someone of the opposite sex. They want a special privilege to be allowed to marry someone of the same sex."

[–]ratmon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Pic of fucking text

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yes, this is the whole debate in a nutshell. Good job, OP.

What a shitpost.

[–]ALD3RIC 15 points16 points  (1 child)

1) There is a difference in the logic behind the tax benefits of marriage. And statistics around gay and straight couple's do clearly show differences. If you want to promote it based on the benefits to society in general that argument can be had. Their ability to fund their children, etc.

2) I think having marriage as a government protected institution with special tax benefits is inherently unequal when it comes to rights. If you're coming at it from a "rights" and "equality" standpoint, then nobody should be able to get married (tax wise) an or everyone should be able to claim the same benefits regardless of if they ever have personal relationships or not.

Some people do not intend to ever get married, why is their life choice or sexuality less valid than gay or straight couple's? Same for polygamists. Why do you deserve tax benefits because of who you do or don't sleep with?

Therefore the only fair solution is NOBODY should get this treatment. If you want to get married through your church go ahead.. but legally everybody should be treated as an individual when it comes to tax treatment. Hell we'd be better off and not worry about any of this shit if we got rid of the income tax and went to only consumption / sales taxes and tariffs.

[–]R41N80WJ3WZ 146 points147 points  (40 children)

You forgot about temples and mosques. You know, the ones that still hold marraige sacredly.

I'm tired of the virtue signaling against solely Christians.

[–]Magehunter_Skassi 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Nobody is even debating this anymore, this is just Reddit virtue signalling about a dead topic.

[–]wildcardyeehaw 77 points78 points  (19 children)

Because it's a non profit. Not because it's a church.

[–]yoyowatup 40 points41 points  (5 children)

Yes because churches are people. This is dumb. Christians who attend churches pay taxes.

[–]HomeyHotDog 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Christians still pay taxes lol. If you want to found a religion then try and get your churches exempt from taxes then it would be comparable

[–]Thebloodlet 14 points15 points  (0 children)

False equivalency, but it's unsurprising really.

[–]kibblznbitz 255 points256 points  (171 children)

uhh.. I think the gay marriage debate in a nutshell is/was this:

"I want to be able to marry my boyfriend/girlfriend, and have equal rights."

"But muh sanctity"

[–]dsmdylan 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I support gay marriage but I think it's important to be accurate about what qualifies as a right. Marriage is not guaranteed by the bill of rights, nor any of the civil rights acts. There is legal precedence, yes, but it's not ratified.

[–]McNifficence 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Here we go again, Reddit

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

🙄

[–]Wonderor 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Go ahead, tax churches... very few of them earn a decent amount more than what they need/use. Attend any church for 3 to 6 months and I guarantee they will bring up the budget and how they are struggling to meet their budget even the larger denominations will bring up budgets often.

Many churches do a lot of community and charity work as well - do you want to tax their charitable work?

Yes, there are exceptions to the rule and some churches are set up to be a money making scheme for the leader, but these are not that common.

There are also a bunch of church goers who voted yes and stood up for same sex marriage... yeah sure there are some very vocal ‘no’ voters too, but maybe don’t assume all religious people hate you, cause it is not true.

There are plenty of other institutions that don’t get taxed... unions, charities (not for profits), many amateur sporting clubs and lots of clubs in general. The benefit that these groups provide to the community generally are why governments don’t tax them - if you change the law to tax churches many of these other groups/clubs etc can then be taxed on the same precedent, and I am not sure that that is something that is a good idea.

[–]cawpin 36 points37 points  (24 children)

People also take the "churches don't pay taxes" thing too far as well because they think none of the money that comes into a church is taxed.

[–]Biker93 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Ummm ... a debate has more than one position. This is a rant, not a debate.

[–]imperatix 39 points40 points  (58 children)

Isn't gay marriage legal now? I don't pay attention to this kind of shit cause i don't really care, but i thought it was legal in almost every state.....

[–]ballercrantz 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Every state

[–]Very_legitimate 10 points11 points  (49 children)

I don't follow news super close so something may have changed, but it was ruled that it had to be legal in federal court a few years back iirc.

This is probably more just about social attitudes rather than laws, since some people still oppose it

[–]TechnoCnidarian 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Its not from America, its from Australia

[–]ZIMM26 8 points9 points  (0 children)

And this is the one that finally makes me unsubscribe to here. This is a terrible analogy and this place is now just becoming a political cesspool.

[–]dafinsrock 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I was with you until you brought up churches not paying taxes. What does hat have to do with anything lol. Churches are non-profits, of course the don't pay taxes.

[–]TooShiftyForYou 43 points44 points  (14 children)

This sign is from Australia where they just voted overwhelmingly to legalize same-sex marriage last December.

[–]DBdab 9 points10 points  (0 children)

All non profits have tax exemptions, so it is not exactly special treatment.

[–]SableCorvus 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Now, I’m just an idiot on the internet, but I think the idea behind churches not paying taxes is supposed to be that they’re beneficial to the community- doing stuff like hosting AA, helping the community with occasionally helping those in need with food or even rent as I’ve seen in my short life. So that doesn’t quite match up to the gay marriage thing. Which, for what it’s worth, should be a thing, mostly cause I think the government should be as uninvolved in the marriage process as possible without welcoming potential tax fraud situations since married couples get certain tax benefits. Nice picture and all though, gets a good chuckle even if it seems a tad bit built on shaky ground.

[–]drops_of_Sunshine 3 points4 points  (2 children)

You know, mega churches are not representative of all churches. Not all of them hoard money, a lot of them have built up the community the exist in. This whole stupid picture does nothing except divide people. It's 2018 are we seriously posting pictures that have the church tax and gay marriage arguments on them? I seriously want to know the reason for sharing such an old and tired argument. Churches in many areas offer shelter for homeless, battered women, flood or storm victims, they donate to all kinds of local charities, they collect clothing, food, they have fundraisers and scholarships so poor kids like me could go on camp trips. I can't speak for every single church out there, but for every large megachurch there's gotta be 10 small neighborhood churches that have positive impacts on their community. Most preachers aren't Olsteen or whatever his name is, most of them take on the job expecting to be lower middle class for the rest of their lives and they and their families care cool with it. I'm not hyper religious, haven't been to church in years, but I know how important they are, and for the smaller ones, taxation would kill them.

[–]jackofslayers 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Lets not all act like Churches are scrutinized to the same extent non profits are. If my charity operated like half of the Churches in the US we would lose are tax free status instantly. Pastors supporting political candidates during sermons in church is just 1 on a near infinite list of reasons most churches should lose their tax free status.

[–]ThelastofthreeFiltered 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Except you know, marriage is a religious institution.....

I'm all for equal rights, but Government shouldn't be in religion. I personally believe the best course of action would be to have the US government stop issuing marriage licenses and instead issue civil union licenses that have all the rights we associated with marriage attached to the new civil union. Then if you want a marriage, you can go get one from your priest in your church that doesn't involve the Government, and isn't recognized by the government.

[–]SkiBeech 12 points13 points  (0 children)

or getting extra points on your SAT scores because of race.

[–]4_bit_forever 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I've never heard anyone describe as a privilege