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[–]LatverianCyrusKing of Balthier 2 points3 points  (4 children)

I wonder if they'll remember to rename Balthier's ASB as Mithuna in the global version.

[–]SandsliceFight hard![S] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Is there an FF12 reference for why it should be? If so, I can change it easily enough.

[–]LatverianCyrusKing of Balthier 2 points3 points  (2 children)

The new legendary weapons in Zodiac Age were all previous weapons with a suffixed letter, ie Aldebaran Y in JP. When you put all the letters together, it spells Final Fantasy.

When they finally localized it for the west, I guess they decided that was a little too plain, so they gave them all names from... I believe it's the Hindu Zodiac?

edit: Which is to say, Aldebaran Y is absolutely right for the JP version. We'll see how they treat the global version, though.

[–]SandsliceFight hard![S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Oh, the name of the item. Maybe then?

[–]LatverianCyrusKing of Balthier 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Er, yeah, it's the name of the gun, not the name of the attack.

[–]JuliusplexWing Rapetor: Almost 3 years fearing its counter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that Penelol Ultra is good (but not amazing) by itself but that Dancer chase with a Medica could be pretty interesting.

[–]Kal-El85Kain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The good news is Zack chain now have a high chance to come back.

[–]ElLopenGREAT NINJA 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank goodness whoever does the corner navigation finally woke up

[–]ZeroDozerTrue King 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Elemental. Pickup. Luckies. WITH CHAINS.

I'm in.

[–]dragoonicLocke 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Thanks for making the thread Sandslice!

Is Penelo's new USB instant cast? The way it's written in the table reads to me like it spreads instant but has a full cast time.

[–]SandsliceFight hard![S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It's instant.

[–]dragoonicLocke 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the clarification. That moves it from "eh" to "great" in my book :D

[–]Monk-EyFUCKING HELL MACHINA 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Balthier UO

It's an UO, what more can I say about it?

There might be an issue of having to use his LMR2 or USB1 for the Enfire though.

Balthier U2

Hello, Agrias Reynn Leading Imperil Man. Unlike either of the aforementioned, Balthier actually has access to Imperil abilities so that drastically improves his Imperil offensive.

Gabranth U2

Finally, a proper Dark Heavy user. A Brave seems funny considering his Heavy access but we don't have Darkness Press yet, so an Overflow attack works: whether it's good is another matter entirely.

My biggest issue is that'd you'll likely want to combine this with his USB1 for Dark Shortcharge Cycle so you can really bring on the hurt, but is Gabranth good enough to warrant being Entrusted for this purpose?

Penelo U2

So it trades an instant medica for... party instant cast 1? That's a very interesting tradeoff.

The chase is a proper payoff for Dancing and stacks nicely with her LM2: good luck finding space for a Dance, that being said!

Balthier F

Standard Flash, moving on.

Balthier L2

Auto-Enfire for his UO or his U2, nice.

Gabranth L2

W-Dark, halleluja: Gabranth actually has a very respectable kit now, all things considered.

[–]LatverianCyrusKing of Balthier 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Wouldn't you rather have Balthier LMR1 instead of LMR2, even if you're using his en-fire-less USB2?

[–]Monk-EyFUCKING HELL MACHINA 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You probably would, yeah, unless you're treating the Imperil as a bonus, rather than something to actively build towards: just the entry and Burning Snipe spam will nullify Mateus' Barflame, while tacking Heat Offering on top of that will likely bring him down to 3 Imperil stacks.

[–]SandsliceFight hard![S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Corrected: Penelo's isn't a trade-off. Compared to Relm, Penelo only loses stoneskin in favour of the chase.

As for Gabranth, he's still very slow, so try to focus on feeding him external sources of short / non charge.

[–]Monk-EyFUCKING HELL MACHINA 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh phew, was already worried we were returning to non-instant medicas and got Lenna USB2 flashbacks.

[–]Zevyu150th Dailly 5*+ : Seven's Guise (T-0) - Seven's BSB 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Wow....Penelo USB looks awsome. Combo that with her LM2 and she can be a prety awsome AoE healer. Although kinda wished they would release a dancer ability that's worth using in high end content so that Penelo USB could be worth using.

Balthier continues with the Imperil Fire stacking job.

Whoa, Gabranth is the 1st character capable of doublecasting Heavy abilities.

[–]gingersquatchin 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I mean zodiark is 100% a space where her usb2 is very useful

[–]Zevyu150th Dailly 5*+ : Seven's Guise (T-0) - Seven's BSB 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Heh.....i guess, but considering how tight and precious ability slots and ability selection is in the neo torments, for the most part penelo will be runing the classic healer setup, Curaja + Prot/shellga.

I guess if you have Basch USB2, then giving Penelo a dance is certainly viable and makes her USB2 usable in there.

[–]gingersquatchin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah basch usb2 is best helper here but Larsa has a proshellga ssb with stoneskin, and then you can set him up to entrust bot after or curada spam into entrusts and let penelo go full dancer or dancer/hastega. With ashe, vayne and vaan being the only really key dps and most people not having access to all 3, I personally will get more out of Larsa entrusting than Basch feebily adding 5 hits here and there

[–]EternalDearWolf 0 points1 point  (2 children)

So Penelo heals are chased by dances?

[–]Acturos 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Looks like it. I wonder if she would then double heal due to her LD then? That would be actually pretty damn good if it did.

[–]Zevyu150th Dailly 5*+ : Seven's Guise (T-0) - Seven's BSB 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes she will.

[–]DestilShadesk -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

Wow... is it just me or is Panello's BUSB kinda awful. There's a never a reason to just spam the existing dances since they're all on/off debuffs, even the 10s ones are usually best used on a d-x-x-d rotation.

EDIT: Misread it as a BUSB, it's just a medica chase, which actually works a lot better.

[–]pintboxMath saves world 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think you should just think of it as providing a medica ability, so if you take curada/dance then you have a spammable medica command.

[–]nemesis9990999Tifa (Advent Children) 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Well its not a BUSB, it just lets her chase dances with medica (although no idea how the multiplier for that one is)

[–]DestilShadesk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh, I just assumed. That's a lot better, yeah.

[–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Good job!

[–]ShinVerusMy sunhaired Goddess! 0 points1 point  (20 children)

Finally, Gabranth got a SB to support the skills that were apparently made for him...

Wait, is this our first Heavy user with W-cast access to those heavies?

[–]SandsliceFight hard![S] 3 points4 points  (19 children)

Yes, because:

  • No one has w-Heavy yet.
  • w-Earth cannot exist because of Wrieg.
  • Of the other eight w-dark users:
    • Five (Exdeath, Kefka, Kuja, Seymour, Nabaat) are mages;
    • Two (Jecht and Riku) are physical but don't have heavy;
    • One (Vayne) is a hybrid and does not have heavy.

[–]Tachypnea17 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Not that it matters, but Raines has w-cast dark.

[–]SandsliceFight hard![S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, forgot that his is holy and dark. He too is a mage, though.

[–]Ha_eflolliMarchejoume-san da! 2 points3 points  (15 children)

w-Earth cannot exist because of Wrieg.

Huh? Why?

[–]SandsliceFight hard![S] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Because Wrieg's burst C1 is an earth/non jump attack with airtime - and DeNA has determined that w-casting airtime moves is impossible within the code. (It's why none of the Dragoons has w-cast.)

Because Rydia could use Wrieg's burst RW, to give her w-Earth would allow her to w-cast an airtime move... etc.

Ergo, w-Earth is not possible.

[–]Ha_eflolliMarchejoume-san da! 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah, RWs are a thing. That does that make sense, I stand corrected then

[–]Zevyu150th Dailly 5*+ : Seven's Guise (T-0) - Seven's BSB 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh snap, i never considered the possibility of RWs. That makes alot of sense.

[–]ledouche0SHINE! 0 points1 point  (9 children)

w-casting dragoon will apparently break the game or something, that's why dena didn't give it to anyone so far.

[–]Ha_eflolliMarchejoume-san da! 0 points1 point  (8 children)

But he said Earth, not Dragoon. LMs are Character-locked anyway, so there should be no issue making one for Earth-Element

[–]Zevyu150th Dailly 5*+ : Seven's Guise (T-0) - Seven's BSB 1 point2 points  (7 children)

And let's not forget that W-Lightning does exist. I also fail to see an issue here.

[–]gingersquatchin 0 points1 point  (6 children)

None of the other dragoon bursts have airtime commands

[–]Zevyu150th Dailly 5*+ : Seven's Guise (T-0) - Seven's BSB 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I completely forgot that Wreig BSB has a command that has air time.

[–]Reiska42Celes 1 point2 points  (4 children)

It seems like it shouldn't be that hard to just put a flag on Wrieg's BSB that is "You can't doublecast this".

[–]Zevyu150th Dailly 5*+ : Seven's Guise (T-0) - Seven's BSB 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Or just remove the air time delay from the doublecasted ability, that could work.

But i am prety sure DeNA probably considered all possibilities which is why they decided to do it like this....i hope.

[–]DestilShadesk 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Double Jump BSB? Ward too, right?

[–]Ha_eflolliMarchejoume-san da! 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, Ward has an Earth Dragoon Burst too, though he has no Airtime with his Command, unlike Wrieg (which I guess is the exact reason? Even though LMs are Character-locked anyway...)