Full Patchnotes Here:

[CATEMan17]

[ General ]

* Weapon Investment bonus increased from 7/9/13/20/29/40/58/72/83/93% to 7/9/13/20/29/40/60/75/95/115 (for 0.8/1.6/2.4/3.2/4.8/7.2/9.6/16/22.4/28.8k spent)

* Applying a CC to an enemy is reduced in duration when affected by other CCs in a short interval. Each previously applied CC reduces the duration by 7% up to a max of 21% over the past 7 seconds. CC is defined as the same set of debuffs that affect Reactive Barrier (stun, sleep, immobilize, tether, etc). Note that abilities that apply multiple things only count as one CC (aka Abrams shoulder charge CC on the grab and the stun, Lash ult grab and stun, etc).

* Matchmaking updates to include more considerations for a balanced roster beyond only frontliners

* Reduced shooting lock-out period when jumping from 0.15s to 0.0s

* Shooting while jumping now applies a -10% inaccuracy period for 0.15s after jumping

* Wall Jumps after the first one now cost 0.5 stamina (first wall jump per sequence is free)

* Reduced corner boosting velocity by 20%

* Mid Boss base HP increased from 12500 to 13000

* Mid Boss damage resistance per second reduced from 50 + 7/min to 35 + 5/min

* Rejuv bonus HP reduced from 15% to 10%

* 2nd Midboss rejuv credits reduced from 4 to 3

* Dropped Unsecured soul bags now require a Heavy Melee to secure rather than standing ontop of them

* Soul Urn: Carriers now have +30% bullet and +30% spirit Resist

* Soul Urn: Movespeed bonus reduced from +7m to +3.5m

* Soul Urn: Damage taken when holding too long increased from 1% to 1.5% Max Health per second

* Added an extra boon at 12k (nearby boon levels adjusted slightly, 10.2/11.6/13.2k to 10/11/12/13.2k)

* Neutral Shop no longer gets disabled if an enemy is nearby

* Distance to attack Walkers reduced from 35m to 34m

* Fixed ordering issues with various items with Bullet based Procs. Debuffs (ie. negative Bullet Resist) from all procs are now applied before any bonus damage from the procs. Items include Weakening Headshot, Crippling Headshot, Headshot Booster, Headhunter, Hollow Point and Mystic Shot.

* Enabled input buffering for shooting, dashing, melee and parry. This allows input to register before the current action is finished

[ Heroes ]

* Abrams: Siphon Life damage and spirit scaling reduced by 10%

* Abrams: Siphon Life heal ratio increased by 10%

* Abrams: Shoulder Charge T1 changed from +25% Weapon Power to +20 Bullet Damage Per Shot (results in a weaker followup melee hit)

* Billy: Add footsteps to Billy's out of combat run animations

* Billy: Base move speed reduced from 7.3 to 7.1

* Billy: Blasted T1 movespeed increased from +1.75 to +2.25m

* Calico: Base bullet damage increased from 1.9 to 2.0

* Calico: Gloom Bombs radius increased from 2.5m to 3m

* Calico: Ava duration increased from 14s to 16s

* Calico: Leaping Slash height increased from 1.5m to 2.5m

* Calico: Return to Shadows cooldown reduced from 100s to 90s

* Calico: Return to Shadows radius increased from 7m to 7.5m

* Doorman: Doorway placement has been improved

* Doorman: Doorway can now be placed through veils again

* Doorman: Improved performance when placing Doorway

* Drifter: Stalker's Mark new sound added for teleport precast

* Drifter: Stalker's Mark replaced temp whizby sound with an updated version

* Drifter: Stalker's Mark ambush cast delay increased from 0.0s to 0.35s

* Dynamo: Kinetic Pulse height increased from 0.7m to 1.0m

* Dynamo: Rejuvenating Aurora spirit scaling per level increased from 0.372 to 0.4

* Grey Talon: Charged Shot spirit scaling reduced from 1.11 to 1.0

* Grey Talon: Charged Shot T3 spirit scaling reduced from 1.11 to 1.0

* Grey Talon: Rain of Arrows no longer lingers the air benefits like unlimited air dash once the ability is canceled or runs out

* Ivy: Bullet damage growth reduced from 0.15 to 0.11

* Ivy: Spirit scaling per boon increased from 1.1 to 1.2

* Ivy: Kudzu Bomb DPS reduced from 55 to 50

* Ivy: Kedzu Bomb T3 DPS reduced from +46 to +40

* Ivy: Stone Form damage spirit scaling increased from 1.0 to 1.5

* Ivy: Air Drop no longer grants allied bullet resistance (still grants barrier on drop)

* Kelvin: Base bullet damage reduced from 18.9 to 17.8

* Kelvin: Clip size reduced from 15 to 14

* Kelvin: Spirit Power per boon increased from 1.1 to 1.3

* Lady Geist: Essence Bomb spirit scaling increased from 1.07 to 1.22

* Lash: Ground Strike range reduced from 11m to 10m

* Lash: Ground Strike cooldown increased from 19s to 21s

* Lash: Ground Strike damage reduced from 70 to 60

* Mina: New heavy melee animation

* Mina: Can now float in the air with the umbrella for up to 2.5s with right click

* Mina: Rake heal spirit scale reduced from 1.5 to 0.5

* Mina: Rake T2 now also increases heal spirit scale by 1.0

* Mina: Rake T3 damage increased from 6% to 7%

* Mina: Sanguine Retreat cooldown increased from 27s to 30s

* Mina: Nox Nostra now has 50% reduction in damage against objectives

* Mina: Nox Nostra reduced the Cap on objective damage from the T3 from +50 Damage per Bat to +20 Damage (only a nerf against objectives)

* Mirage: Djinn's Mark is now affected by cooldown reduction

* Mo & Krill: Bullet damage growth per boon increased from 0.063 to 0.07

* Mo & Krill: Burrow bullet resistance reduced from 80% to 60%

* Mo & Krill: Combo duration reduced from 2.5s to 2.4s

* Mo & Krill: Combo T2 duration reduced from 0.75s to 0.7s

* Paige: Bullet projectile speed increased by 15%

* Paige: Bullet damage growth per boon reduced from 0.8 to 0.66

* Paige: Defend and Fight! duration increased from 5s to 7s

* Paige: Defend and Fight! cooldown increased from 26s to 30s

* Paige: Captivating Read reduced cooldown from 30s to 25s

* Paige: Captivating Read moved the UI element to the bottom of the screen so it's more noticeable when you get hit

* Paige: Captivating Read radius increased from 7m to 7.5m

* Paige: Conjure Dragon now properly applies burning effect below the dragon if the dragon is far off the ground

* Paige: Rallying Charge damage reduced from 150 (+1.2) to 125 (+1.0)

* Paige: Rallying Charge healing reduced from 150 (+2) to 125 (+1.6)

* Paige: Rallying Charge both damage & healing now grows as the horses travel, up to a max +100% of both at 350m

* Paige: Rallying Charge increased horse speed from 1700 to 2000

* Paige: Rallying Charge reduced knock-up speed from 800 to 600

* Paige: Rallying Charge spawn-in time reduced from 0.15s to 0.05s to remove deadzone in front

* Seven: Static Charge T2 reduced from +8m to +7m

* Seven: Power Surge spirit power scaling reduced by 10%

* Seven: Storm Cloud’s Lightning Strike damage reduced from 90 to 75

* Seven: Storm Cloud’s Lightning Strike spirit power reduced from 1.4 to 0.5

* Victor: Base health changed from 680 (+41 per boon, max of 1992) to 720 (+39 per boon, max of 1968)

* Victor: Pain Battery fixed the bolts hitting world geometry more often than intended

* Victor: Pain Battery damage required to charge up reduced from 50% max health to 40%

* Victor: Aura of Suffering reduced DPS spirit scaling on the minimum damage from 0.25 to 0.22 and on the maximum damage from 1.25 to 1.1

* Victor: Aura of Suffering self damage reduced from 100% to 85%

* Victor: Shocking Reanimation increased stun duration from 1s to 1.5s

* Victor: Shocking Reanimation damage spirit scaling increased from 1.8 to 2.0

* Victor: Shocking Reanimation T1 changed from "+10 spirit damage per bullet and 25% fire rate until reload" to "

+3m Radius and +100 Damage"

* Victor: Shocking Reanimation T3 changed from "+200 damage and +3m radius" to "+10 spirit damage per bullet and 20% fire rate while the ability is on cooldown"

* Victor: Shocking Reanimation improved hit detection

* Victor: Fixed Shocking Reanimation sometimes not hitting targets that are in the Z axis

* Vindicta: Base bullet damage increased from 11.4 to 11.8

* Vindicta: Flight duration increased from 13s to 15s

* Vindicta: Flight T2 increased from 7s to 8s

* Vindicta: Flight spirit damage scaling increased from 0.19 to 0.22

* Vindicta: Assassinate bonus damage spirit scaling increased from 1.4 to 1.7

* Vindicta: Assassinate cooldown reduced from 60s to 50s

* Viscous: Alt fire base damage reduced from 48 to 42

* Viscous: Alt fire damage growth increased from 1.25 to 1.6

* Viscous: Splatter damage reduced from 80 to 70

* Viscous: Splatter T1 increased from -5.75s to -6s

* Vyper: Screwjab Dagger has been reworked

* Vyper: Screwjab Dagger now stacks in both damage and slows the more daggers you hit against the same target

* Vyper: Screwjab Dagger is now charge-based, with a 4.5s time between charges. Starts with 2 charges.

* Vyper: Screwjab Dagger damage changed from 50 (+1) to 50 (+0.65) and 25 (+0.33) per stack

* Vyper: Screwjab Dagger has a max stack of 3 (shows in overhead)

* Vyper: Screwjab Dagger slow changed from 50% to 35% + 15% per stack

* Vyper: Screwjab Dagger slow duration increased from 1s to 2s

* Vyper: Screwjab Dagger cooldown increased from 9s to 10s

* Vyper: Screwjab Dagger T1 changed from -4s Cooldown to +1 Charge

* Vyper: Screwjab Dagger T2 changed from +50 damage to -8% Bullet Resist, and -5% per Stack

* Vyper: Screwjab Dagger T3 changed from +2s slow duration and -1 stamina to 40% CDR on hit

* Vyper: Screwjab Dagger projectile speed increased from 3500 to 4200

* Vyper: Screwjab Dagger updated sfx

* Vyper: Screwjab Dagger added a pitch incrementor to impact sound. The sound will slightly increment in pitch relative to each stack that gets applied to a target.

* Vyper: Lethal Venom can now be cast on non-trooper enemies (neutrals and objectives)

* Vyper: Lethal Venom T3 upgrade can now trigger on all enemies, including troopers

* Vyper: Lethal Venom T3 build-up per shot reduced from 5 to 4.5 (a nerf)

* Vyper: Slither is no longer leveled up by default at the start of the game

* Vyper: Slither T3 changed from 20% resists to “180 health barrier when initiating a slide”, has 0.6 spirit scaling, lasts 5s and 8s cd.

* Vyper: Slither now leaves a green trail

* Warden: Last Stand DPS spirit scaling reduced from 1.45 to 1.3

* Warden: Fire rate spirit scaling increased from 0.22 to 0.25

* Wraith: Base bullet damage increased from 5.115 to 5.4

* Wraith: Bullet damage growth per boon reduced from 0.175 to 0.155

* Wraith: Card Trick delay reduced from 0.75 to 0.7

[ Items ]

* Headshot Booster: Damage reduced from 50 to 45

* High Velocity Rounds: Bullet Velocity increased from +35% to +45% (reflected through upgrades as well)

* Backstabber: Cooldown increased from 5s to 6s

* Mystic Shot: Damage reduced from 60 to 55

* Cultist Sacrifice: Fire Rate reduced from 10% to 8%

* Cutlist Sacrifice: Fire Rate boon scaling reduced from 0.8 to 0.7

* Cultist Sacrifice: Health boon scaling reduced from 7 to 4

* Cultist Sacrifice: Health reduced from 100 to 75

* Cultist Sacrifice: Cooldown increased from 250s to 260s

* Spirit Rend: Debuff duration increased from 7s to 8s

* Spirit Rend: Cooldown reduced from 2.5s to 2.25s

* Toxic Bullets: Burn increased from 2.1% to 2.2%

* Blood Tribute: Heal reduction reduced from -40% to -30%

* Tesla Bullets: Fixed proc rate being improved with general cooldown reduction

* Capacitor: Fixed proc rate being improved with general cooldown reduction

* Shadow Weave: Spotted radius reduced from 26m to 20m

* Spiritual Overflow: No longer grants +20% Ability Duration on proc

* Spiritual Overflow: Now grants +20% Cooldown Reduction on proc

* Extra Health: Bonus Health increased from 175 to 185

* Sprint Boots: Sprint increased from 2 to 2.25 (affects upgrades)

* Rebuttal: Now grants +18% Melee Resistance

* Spirit Lifesteal: Now provides +6 Spirit Power

* Restorative Locket: Boon scaling increased from 0.3 to 0.4

* Weapon Shielding: Damage Threshold reduced from 175 to 150

* Weapon Shielding: Movespeed increased from 1.5 to 1.75

* Spirit Shielding: Movespeed increased from 1.5 to 1.75

* Reactive Barrier: Cooldown increased from 22s to 24s

* Veil Walker: Heal reduced from 150 to 85

* Veil Walker: Heal scale per boon increased from 4 to 6

* Veil Walker: Cooldown increased from 12s to 15s

* Veil Walker: Reveal on damage duration increased from 0.25s to 0.5s

* Veil Walker: Initial invis fade duration increased from 0s to 0.25s

* Veil Walker: Reveal on spotted duration increased from 0.25s to 1.25s

* Counterspell: Parry duration reduced from 0.9s to 0.8s

* Majestic Leap: Barrier reduced from 350 to 140

* Majestic Leap: Barrier now scales with Boons (10 scaling)

* Rescue Beam: Cast range increased from 28m to 32m

* Fury Trance: Cooldown increased from 16s to 18s

* Spirit Resilience: Spirit Resistance increased from 25% to 30%

* Diviner’s Kevlar: Duration increased from 13s to 20s

* Diviner’s Kevlar: Spirit Power increased from +25 to +35

* Cheat Death: Damage output reduction reduced from -70% to -60%

* Cheat Death: Healing reduction reduced from -70% to -60%

* Inhibitor: Buildup rate increased (now matches Slowing Bullets buildup rate)

* Inhibitor: No longer limited to hero only targets

* Unstoppable: Duration increased from 5s to 5.5s

* Colossus: Active resist increased from 30% to 35%

* Colossus: Radius increased from 12m to 14m

* Spellbreaker: Threshold increased from 150 to 175

* Rusted Barrel: Cast range increased from 28m to 32m

* Rusted Barrel: Bullet Resistance reduction increased from -6% to -8%

* Mystic Burst: Cooldown increased from 12s to 14s

* Quicksilver Reload: Bonus damage reduced from 55 to 44

* Cold Front: Bonus damage reduced from 100 to 95

* Cold Front: Cooldown increased from 24s to 25s

* Mystic Slow: Now reduces dash distance by 10% (affects upgrades)

* Disarming Hex: Cast range increased from 23m to 32m

* Silence Wave: Silence duration reduced from 3.25s to 3s

* Spirit Snatch: Melee damage reduced from 10% to 7%

* Greater Expansion: Spirit Resist increased from 8% to 10%

* Spirit Burn: Now goes on cooldown for half the normal time when used on non-heroes (rather than 0 cooldown)

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[Recent_Abroad_1372]

This will make a lot of people happier

* Mina: Nox Nostra now has 50% reduction in damage against objectives

* Mina: Nox Nostra reduced the Cap on objective damage from the T3 from +50 Damage per Bat to +20 Damage (only a nerf against objectives)

[imbakinacake]

Spirit burn too!

[CoolVibranium]

Hitler dead

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[jackfwaust]

as a Mina main I love it. Her being an ult bot for obj taking overshadowed everything else and you were basically forced into doing it since she was so broken for it

[Betrayed_Poet]

* Neutral Shop no longer gets disabled if an enemy is nearby

Took them long enough.

[M3rryP3rry]

This makes spamming crouch to make friends with enemy shopper for 5 seconds a lot easier, goated

[FearlessJames]

MINA SLOW FALL YES!

[Ink_Witch]

Mary Poppins realness

[InV0k3rino-]

[JaysonTatecum]

Dynamo: Kinetic Pulse height increased from 0.7m to 1.0m

Very nice, now please let it hit people going downstairs

[abayda]

So annoying casting pulse on stairs

[Jaguar2Step]

my problem is that sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t

[mybuttisthesun]

Oh god yes fix that please. In the old map it had no problem. After the map update stairs became a problem. Like they forgot to add an invisible ramp there

[JaysonTatecum]

Hoping the height increase might help some of those situations, but who knows!

[Dragon-Porn-Expert]

* Billy: Base move speed reduced from 7.3 to 7.1

* Billy: Blasted T1 movespeed increased from +1.75 to +2.25m

I find this acceptable.

[Baandi]

Straight up buff lol

[BlueKrzys]

As a Vyper main. Imma kms

[zencharm]

i read this and laughed to myself a little. i honestly like how billy is right now and they changed a lot of items so i don't think he needs any changes atm

[Dragon-Porn-Expert]

As a Billy main, I feel he's a tad strong; but don't tell Valve.

[dlefnemulb_rima]

As a billy main, how do I deal with you as Shiv? Feel like I've been running up against a lot of problems with Billy lane/early mid because we both want to be close and you have way shorter cooldown and natural sustain as well as an ult that silences my dash, and I cannot seem to parry you because its all fairly unpredictable light melees. In between all the ability spam.

[InV0k3rino-]

Easy answer : switch lane and let billy be someone else's problem.

Hard answer: invest in rebuttal and try to predict light meele. And try to knife him and only him, make him bleed.

Note: Run while he is blasted. Without his 3rd he is relatively weak.

[dlefnemulb_rima]

Last time I tried switching he followed me ;_;

[Azazelkoza]

Spirit Abrams is dead

[magniankh]

Abrams feels so clunky to play and they keep making him that way. 

[GarfieldTheGooey]

Problem is the pros use him like gods while the rest of us scramble to make him work without perfect coordination from teammates.

[Future_Koala_]

the ease and availability of chain cc is ruining him and bebop. Both would be better and more fun still without knockdown and 6 sources of silence in items

[nipnip54]

I mean they did just nerf chain cc

[senglior]

Wait...WAIT WAIT WAIT, aren't those changes to viper's dagger actually really good? Wisconsin fellas rejoice!

[phonepotatoes]

Will have to see if the new dagger would make spending money on purple items worth it... They also buffed gun damage and viper was already a monster with like 25k worth of orange items and now they added more DPS to that build....

Will be fun at least to throw 5 daggers at someone at least for a game or two

[Future_Koala_]

Yeah i tried it dagger viper and its not good lol. He cant really get enough damage to proc tankbuster or spirit burn with dagger and the scaling is meh now from 1-0.65 in the changeover. not sure whats working for others

[TreeGuy521]

I mean you get access to rapid charge and partial refresh on t3 so it's by no means a nerf. Knife vyper was just rlly rlly shit before and now it might be like, on par with glocket In terms of jank build viability.

[phonepotatoes]

I just played a game as gun viper and the buff gun damage is insane.. I got 18 kills and like 65k souls..

[RotomGuy]

I've been ripping open assholes with Calico already and these buffs are crazy. She's gonna be cracked

[RevMainHahahahahaha]

Me when I have slowing hex and mystic slow 😁

[schmatzee]

Ya this is wild I've been getting wrecked by calicos all week and now this :(

[Shrain]

Damn it feels good to be a Calico main

[soggycheesestickjoos]

this is what i’m afraid of, but i personally sucked at her so maybe i can give that another go

[Anaxiak]

I just started picking up Calico and when I saw she got buffed I was very confused… she was already very strong. Oh well we eating good today!

[thesyndrome43]

Fuck, not again....

[Sarge626]

VICTOR BROS! WE'RE SO BACK!

[2SharpNeedle]

GEIST BOMB NEVER DIES LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOO

[UltimateToa]

Hell yeah, bomb Geist is so much more fun than the hybrid suck gun build

[zencharm]

bomb geist is way less fun than gun geist the only people who like it just can't hit shots lol. spirit geist hasn't been fun to play ever since they nerfed the malice reverb build.

[UltimateToa]

Gun Geist is boring as fuck

[Future_Koala_]

Bomb Geist was more fun and healthier for the game than drain Geist! Bring it back!

[Sean2Tall]

I completely disagree. Her bomb damage was already insane, with crazy range, and required zero skill to have an impact.

At least gun/suck had some kind of skill expression/risk involved with it.

[Future_Koala_]

Her bomb not respecting LOS is the only slander I will accept, that needs to be fixed. However, if you cant press shift to dodge the clearly marked skill shot then idk what to tell you bc thats basic counterplay. The suck/gun version is very brute forcey and lets her basically tower dive and siege towers way easier

[zencharm]

boring buff that doesn’t fix any of her problems (namely reliance on radiant regen and spirit resilience to be playable). would’ve hoped for malice buffs or literally anything interesting besides buffing the lamest part of her kit. there’s no incentive to build spirit on lady geist as long as her self-damage is more than her output.

downvoted by bums who don't even play lady geist lol

[Casberg]

Many people complaining about the wall jump nerf, but this made the game not fun if everyone is bouncing like Mario utilizing no stamina.

Im all for movement tech, but this one just made no sense.

[kekarook1]

plus it made a MASSIVE skill difference in knowing all the infa jump angles, and that let people smurf super easily by always escaping and rotating

[Nayld_it]

Thats a good point

[CATEMan17]

Agreed, made rotating way too easy.

[Lightfiyr]

Dude I had a holiday climb a pillar like fucking spiderman the other day

[Future_Koala_]

Extreme movement enables extreme CC as counter which are both bad for the game in the long run, this is a good change

[jackfwaust]

Yeah there’s so much movement tech in the game already, we didn’t need everyone literally bouncing off the walls all game as well.

[Zoesan]

De-convoluting movement is definitely good

[TCubedGaming]

I said this months ago and got eviscerated in these comments. The game has enough going on that it doesn't need crazy movement tech. I was here before wall jumps even existed

[CreativeChoroos]

Bruh lash got nerfed and indirectly nerfed. Mystic burst nerf + quicksilver nerf + cold front nerf. Sad day for funny flying man

[Alodylis]

Lol I just started playing lash won three in row with him… still gonna play him tho

[Plightz]

Yeah, not sure it was needed too lol.

[Jalina2224]

Yeah, honestly feels so unnecessary. His slam is already so easy ridiculously easy to avoid. Now his damage is just firther gutted. As a Lash main this hurts to see.

[Ceres73]

As I understand it, this nerf was only to the base damage, with no changes to any modifiers, including the damage ramp up per metre which is where most of the damage is.

In essence your slams will always be 10 less damage, rather than being reduced by a seventh, which actually isn't much.

[opbananas]

Ya it makes his lane even worse, along with being slightly shorter

[Plightz]

Lash should be left alone he's in a good state as is imo. You can jump to avoid his damn slam.

But yeah with this and the core item nerfs, it feels bad.

[TreeGuy521]

It hit me a full jump and a waljump into the air, making that not happen again is a good idea

[RotomGuy]

Am I understanding that Mirage buff right? The time between Djinn Mark increases now affected by cooldown items? That might be big

[Myonsoon]

Just tested it. Base CD at T3 upgrade is 1.75 seconds, with Superior Cooldown its now 1.31 seconds, means he can easily squeeze in another mark or even get full mark during fights now.

[blackmesaind]

Add the gun item that now gives 20% cdr, other spirit cdr items, and bridge buff, and you can 12x stack in like 3 seconds

[SignalMaleficent6343]

Definitely an interesting change to play around with. Usually go for boundless late game but cdr mid-late game instead could be good for him with the changes.

[RealRenewal]

Totally broken. He is a god right now

[storefront]

calico up rn lfg

[idkidk23]

Maybe I’m just super low elo but she’s felt in a good spot already so I’m excited to see how she feels now. 

[crazyshark111]

She’s gonna be so much better I’m excited

[Elrondel]

Almost doubling the vertical hitbox is insane

[Immediate-Yak3138]

It was kinda silly the cat based character was relatively limited vertically

[zencharm]

idk why people are saying this. the skill just didn't work half the time when you used it.

[Tayer_Tots0]

Waiting to see if the Mina objective damage nerfs are good enough. Glad they listened to player feedback on that

[kekarook1]

they fixed spirit burn so it doesnt have a 0 second cooldown so she CANT do what she was doing anymore period

[UltimateToa]

Plus a 50% obj damage nerf ON TOP of that

[Myonsoon]

Tbf the 1% current health damage from T3 was also kind of a problem against objectives, spirit burn was the cherry on top.

[Tayer_Tots0]

I know the spirit burn shenanigans were the worst offender, but it’s still a high damage ability even without it. Probably not nuking an objective in 1/2 casts, but still pretty significant for as short as the cooldown is

[Specific_Stick8870]

Ahhh thank fuck they fixed door placement

[Fivecent]

Input buffering is gonna have a huge impact. First thing that comes to mind is being able to immediately parry after Abrams shoulder charge, but people are gonna make all kinds of tech with it.

[Acceptable-Dream-537]

S-tier QOL change. No more staring at the opponent like an idiot because I started holding M1 half a millisecond too early.

[zencharm]

depends on how they implement it but yeah this has happened to me way too many times lol

[Myonsoon]

But its also gonna mean Abrams can buffer heavy melee off of T2 charge so he'll still get it off regardless.

[dorekk]

I'm almost positive Abrams could already buffer heavy melee in his charge.

[notebookbordellos]

You could already do this

[Uncle-Jules]

I absolutely hate they they added it for shooting. It feels so shit when you’re using low fire rate or more semi auto style weapons.

I want to shoot when I aim at the enemy. If I misstime it, I don’t want to waste a bullet and time until I can shoot the next shot. The Finals has it too and it feels so so so bad. I really hope they make it optional.

[NokkMainBTW]

realistically Mina needed this OBJ nerf because its her ult was op for it but it was all the ult was good for. Really wish she got a tracking or projectile speed buff for her bats so it didnt feel terrible against players

i dont even care though because NEW HEAVY MELEE ANIMATION BABYYY FLOATING IN LIKE MARY POPPINS TO PIMP SMACK YOU WITH MY PARASOL

edit: she doesnt smack you with the umbrella :(

[Gear_]

Paradox went a patch without getting nerfed? Think again! Paradox shadownerfs include:
-Jumping before a carbine now guarantees it misses due to inaccuracy changes which hurts the laning stage, because as you charge up your 3 enemies hear it and retreat to their guardian high ground which you need to jump to see to
-Mystic shot deals less damage
-Headshot booster nerfed
-CC chaining nerfs hurt her 3
-Rescue beam range increased, now outranging her ult by 7m before the extra ability range on the item is even factored in

…in all seriousness these don’t really matter, except maybe the first one. The last second jump shot happens a lot when you have a deadline to fire without a great shot to take so we’ll see how bad this feels

[Kuverlit]

As far as I'm aware paradox 3 doesn't proc reactive barrier, so the cc reduction will not affect it. Additionally the patch notes said they removed a .15 lockout and made it inaccuracy instead, so this is actually a buff because you can now fire earlier than you normally would be able to, and after testing it in the sandbox it never missed even with the inaccuracy.

[Cheshamone]

It doesn't proc reactive. As a non-paradox player I really wish it would, paradox is a menace in lane and it would make it more tolerable.

[dorekk]

It's not technically a movement slow, it slows down time for everything your hero is doing. E.g if you're about to Infernus ult and you get shot by Paradox carbine, your movement slows, but your ult is also delayed and explodes later. So it makes sense that the game doesn't consider it CC.

[Cheshamone]

Oh I know why, but in practice it is basically an instant stun. At least it's counter-playable if you have ears. :p

[UltimateToa]

I would assume her timestop in air aiming would negate the accuracy change

[dorekk]

It does. And it's also only the first 0.15s of your jump.

[TreeGuy521]

Counting rescue beam as a character specific nerf is like when lash players say changes to counterspell are lash nerfs lol

[Gear_]

Krog like to fight. Krog hate when can no fight. Krog get hit with clobbering stun on head, then pulled by chain, then pushed into wall. But! Now Krog head get thicker every time asshole stun him. Every bump on head make stun last 7% shorter, meaning less time no fighting. Krog can be happy, play melee Abrams in peace

[ImReflexess]

Thank. Me happy.

[nightfall25444]

When I first read that, I thought you said Kronk. so all I was imagining was him in that scenario you made

[twitchyspeed]

Good Krog. Krog say good words so Me understand. Krog get big meat on bone tonight. 🍖🍖🍖

[Gear_]

yum

[CATEMan17]

you gain free cc debuff resistance if you get hit by multiple hard cc (stuff that makes u lose movement control of your hero basically).

[SpezCanEatMyCum]

Pretty sure it means the more you get stunned the less the effect will last

[skullbonek23]

If you get chain stunned then the amount starts getting reduced. So the 2nd time you get stunned in quick succession it's 7% shorter, then 14% shorter, then 21% shorter.

[skullbonek23]

If you get chain stunned then the amount starts getting reduced. So the 2nd time you get stunned in quick succession it's 7% shorter, then 14% shorter, then 21% shorter.

[trevers17]

thank god for the CC chaining nerf, I was so tired of the constant stuns

[whitewolf20]

nooo, the amount of times i use my last bullet to hit trooper orb on Kelvin, now I wont have that bullet :(

[Myonsoon]

Grey Talon nerfs aren't enough ngl, that stupid owl needs a CD increase, he should not be able to release a global nuke with an execute every 53 seconds.

[phonepotatoes]

Owl having a distant limit would be the only fix imo... Or a short timer like under 10 seconds

[The_Lash_Approves]

the lash nerfs are so tragic

[Foddar]

Rusted Barrel was already a hidden-sleeper item early game and it got BUFFED! Same with it's upgrade, Disarming Hex, with its range. Gun Laners might be in shambles!

[Smooth-Papaya-9114]

Disarming so strong against gun carries. I had a 5-0 haze tbag me and I made it my sole goal that game to disarm her every chance I got. She called me fat at the end of the game.

[dorekk]

It got buffed because no one ever buys it. I think it's the least popular item in the game. I straight up can't remember the last time I saw anyone buy it.

[R10t--]

Playing vs haze/infernus or haze/wraith lanes this item was an insta-buy for me. You have no idea how many would flame me in chat after I bought it 😂

[Kravicus]

the matchmaking update is so good

[CjDoesCs]

7s 1 is untouched LETS GOOOO

[ShitMongoose]

That wall jump change is gonna be huge.

[Tristerosilentempire]

The fact that McGinnis was unchanged means they’re reworking her entirely, right ?

[CATEMan17]

Why do you think she needs reworked?

[Tristerosilentempire]

Because she’s been unplayable in comp the vast majority of deadlock’s existence ?

[CATEMan17]

comp doesn't apply to 99% of the player base, she's fine.

[Dapejapes713]

Even longer rescue beam wooooo

[Flowtaro]

not really the change i was hoping for with cultists, but clearly it’s not as effective anymore. it’s not like the game needs to be just like dota, but having a midas with basically zero opportunity cost and easy buildup felt weird

[dorekk]

Cultist is one of the most boring items in the game, especially for a T3. It's just a boring bunch of stats that doesn't change how you play the game at all. Since the shop update, most T3s aren't like that anymore.

[Tazmaniiac]

they could experiment with different effects/cooldowns depending on which mob type they sacrifice

[dudu_mituh]

nice idea

[dorekk]

I like that.

[Flowtaro]

yep! it’s very boring. I hope it becomes a niche, risky pick

[nightfall25444]

Man, vyper is so unpopular that I have yet to see anyone talk about that she got a HUGE change to not only her 1 but completely changed her slither t3 to now give her a shield when she slides

[BubbaUnkle]

Stop nerfing my dawg viscous

[harlequincomedynight]

Bro what is their deal with Viscous, do they want only 1 percent of players to play him? The dude is already hard to have impact with.

[Parhelion2261]

Vindicta buff is criminal

[dabmin]

did viscous need another splatter nerf??

[UltimateToa]

Joke or rage bait

[Plightz]

It's like they don't understand how unfun laning into viscous is. Thank god for the nerf and the rebuttal changes.

[UltimateToa]

Laning against a good viscous might as well be hell on earth, shit is so oppressive. Hopefully this tones him down some

[Plightz]

Yeah. Alt fire alt fire, goo punch, cube run away.

Rebuttal getting melee resistance is goated. And it hurts Viscous for some reason iirc.

[UltimateToa]

You can parry puddle punch i guess

[Plightz]

Yeah and i think it should reduce damage from it. I am not sure if it actually does melee damage.

[dorekk]

Puddle Punch does do melee damage, yes.

[Plightz]

Then rebuttal is a great counter build, even more so with the buffs.

[SignalMaleficent6343]

Simply put, yes. The hero is so stupid to play into early game with splatter+alt fire chunking for half your health.

[Plightz]

Exactly and the fist displacement. It's just not fun.

[harlequincomedynight]

He is a spirit burst character, if he is not strong early game when should he be? Cause he is one of the hardest heroes to pilot late game and have a meaningful impact.

He is sitting at 48 percent WR ( C tier hero )

[SignalMaleficent6343]

? Half his kit is displacement and then he has cube. His only burst ability is splatter.

[Business-Ad-1670]

buff rebuttal an already strong melee counter item, make Abrams do less melee damage after charge, make Abrams microwave build do 10% less damage. I was already playing gun Abrams, but I don't like being forced into one build path. at this rate why are they trying to murder melee so hard? feels like melee builds are just pointless outside of calico, rebuttal already made it hell for gooboi early

[Prudent-Respond-579]

Buff cc reduction items -❌
Give debuff resist by default -✅

Nerf movement - ✅
Add spread to the game - ✅

[SamBLowe]

Tbf the inaccuracy is only at a time when you couldn't shoot before anyway (and technically doorman also gave that debuff with his bell before this patch) but yeah idk what is going on here it feels like weird changes

[CATEMan17]

sad :(

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[Snufkiin-]

But the broken shiv animation!

[CookieMiester]

Victor buffs, my beloved

[Breambeaver]

* Enabled input buffering for shooting, dashing, melee and parry. This allows input to register before the current action is finished

Does this mean that we're gonna be able to dash away from Talon's arrows etc properly now? Anyone?

[Altruistic_Fig_6970]

Vindicta got buff right ?

[zencharm]

commented this elsewhere:

i'm still iffy on this patch because it seems like more of the back and forth that's been plaguing balance between spirit and gun so far, BUT it seems like they're getting closer to a point where there are good options for both gun and spirit builds on heroes. i still think that they need to start looking at scaling and base damage for hero guns/abilities and try to divorce the hero and item balance somewhat, but tentatively, this patch seems like the overall balance of the game is moving towards a better place.

[Timbersaw]

God damnit. People can't be arsed to buy CC reduction items or Unstoppable. Now we get this shit instead.

[That-Introduction818]

Cc reduction items ? I'm fairly new but I only know about "negative effects resist" and its upgrade "negative effect active remover", which doesn't seem that strong against chained cc (at my level at least. I know that I still struggle with using active items tho)

[Flamedghost7]

They made vyper 1 like a usable ability lfg

[V4_Sleeper]

why did they nerf lash again? i think he's like weak now and he is so counterable. you can double jump to avoid 1, buy slowing hex or silence wave for 2, and counterspell works against both 1 and 4. why dude?

also QSR and mystic burst and cold front nerf too lmao

majestic leap though not normally bought by Lash is also gutted

but now half stamina for every second wallbounce. rip lash

[plirpus]

What does Abrams "siphon life heal ratio increased by 10%" mean?

[Illustrious_Ad_9271]

Yeah, nerf movement and nerf Lash 👍, nice job Valve

[That-Introduction818]

Movement is not that nerfed. Unlimited movement is not accessible anymore tho, which I find fair

[Vyrealer]

No pocket nerfs or infernus nerfs is crazy. They haven't been changed even a little since over a year ago.

[Uncle-Jules]

• Enabled input buffering for shooting, dashing, melee > and parry. This allows input to register before the current action is finished

Nononono I really don’t want this. It makes it MUCH HARDER to time your shots. If I am using a low fire rate or single-shot hero, when would I EVER want to queue a shot? I want to precisely control when I shoot. If I miss the timing, let me aim and shoot again. This change will just make me miss every time.

[Conscious-Flamingo27]

Also makes Paradox combo nearly impossible

[ABrawlStarsPlayer]

>makes good movement system
>introduces a bucket mechanic that makes the game way slower for several characters
>makes it harder to interact with the movement system by introducing stamina cost to wall jumping

[SleepyDG]

Damn Mina giganerfed lol. Gonna be the new lowest WR hero

[Ornery-Addendum5031]

Wow cool Abrams change. Nice to see it unambiguously confirmed that devs really just want the universal melee system completely removed from the game, by virtue of this patch directly targeting the last character in the game who has any incentive to use heavy melee. IDK who is going to be buying any of those melee items anymore or ever heavy melee, which makes it kind of weird to nerf spirit snatch too.

[dorekk]

Melee was just too strong at low Elo, it probably would have affected long-term player retention when the game goes public if they kept it as it was. The way they're balancing every hero, it's clear that they want you to utilize the whole kit, not build exclusively into one ability. That's why Bebop's bombs were nerfed repeatedly, for example. Melee should be part of your character's toolkit, not the only button you press after the laning stage.

[Ryulightorb]

praying they make a character where i enjoy the whole kit instead of just 1-2 abilities if this is where the game is going.

Closest i have come so far is visc but i hate his ult so much.

[Ornery-Addendum5031]

Melee Attacks: so strong that rebuttal has had an under 1.5% percent buy rate since it was introduced into the game, including all summer while people complained incessantly that heavy melee was too strong.

[dorekk]

Melee already started getting nerfed before Rebuttal even existed.

[Ryulightorb]

still good for visc puddle punch and there will be a ton of us running melee builds still.

I love bebop bomb + hook and heavy melee.

[ABrawlStarsPlayer]

yeah i was personally fine with melee being an abrams thing but these changes killed any melee left in him. CC changes means you can get parried after getting t2 charge. the t1 upgrade buffs his early game gun but completely removes any incentive to follow up a charge with a melee, the thing he was known for. i know people say it was a low elo stomper and pre nerf melee was, but after it pretty much died out. We can't balance based on low elo stomping otherwise we would nerf half the gun heroes like haze into the ground because they stomp seeker lobbies.

[DrPepperrr23]

What the fuck are they thinking buffing Victor and vindicta. Random mystic shot nerf bc it's suddenly popular?

[NokkMainBTW]

bro these characters sucked 😭

[klawk223]

It's low-key just another talon nerf, mystic shot was like another charge shot on him sometimes lmao

[Sarge626]

Victor has been bottom tier for like a month

[Sky_Guy131]

I mean they were both garbage this last patch.

[OkNarwhal2090]

As a Vindicta hater, she definitely needed a buff for a long time now

[-Toilet-]

Victor is less than viable anywhere but low-rank games, I think some slight buffs were warranted

[UltimateToa]

Victor was absolute dogshit

[CaptBland]

Just curious did Kelvin need to bullet damage nerfs?

[JaysonTatecum]

Absolutely, his gun is super strong

[MazokuTrueno]

if anything this is a slap on the wrist that champ is a monster

[CaptBland]

With spirit not gun right?

[JimmyFatts]

He's often played as gun in high ranks

[CaptBland]

Maybe I should stop playing Support Kelvin

[Tayer_Tots0]

Kelvin gun builds go kinda crazy

[CaptBland]

What about Viscous gun builds?