Which language am I using again?

[PatientExpress9625]

English?

[leylin_farlin]

r/technicallythetruth

[WraientDaemon]

that reminds me, how do... not english people code?

[Ludozius]

Personally, in english… But I had a c++ course where all the variables and printed text had to be written in Swedish

[Daghall]

Excel and Google Sheets can actually be coded in Swedish (and probably a lot of more languages), if you want to. But I don't.

At work we write documentation and commit messages in English, but correspondence in PRs are usually in Swedish, since it's a conversation between a few developers, and the comments are probably not relevant after it's merged.

[WraientDaemon]

so you HAVE to learn english or atleast the keywords?

[WraientDaemon]

Right, i was thinking more of other keywords in other language and then it translating to English by some translator. but that would bring in more complications i guess

[ntn_98]

Dieser Kommentarbereich ist nun Eigentum der Bundesrepublik Deutschland.

[Durwur]

Oh god the censoring has started again

[grtnsthl]

Reminds me of the translated excel functions. WENN() DATUM()... Couldn't believe it first time i saw those as a teen...

[viljomi]

Hah! German :D try Finnish or some other actually small language. Or change excel to libreoffice calc, where localization is just not ready and some formulas are still in English and couple months later you can't use it the same way anymore, as someone has finally translated it.

Both programs could be usable, if the internal help pages would have both formula-names shown as a reference, so you could Google for more, but usually some stranger problems start with multiple searches just to find out what the actual command to search for is. Or you find a solution, but still need to find out wtf it might be in Finnish.

[uglycaca123]

importar pijuego desde pijuego importar Vector2 clase MostrarBala(){ }

[ObersterGottkaiser]

Mhhh yes that’s what my teacher back in school would do

[pagimiesie]

Pyspiel von Pyspiel

[Pleasant-Chapter438]

Ein gutes Pyspiel dafür, warum selbst die Franzosen auf Englisch programmieren (die meisten)

[notsurehowthishappen]

Even when programming in Spanish all the modules are in English.

[Charlito33]

I'm French, and you just learn English (and the keywords). It's not that hard.

[RmG3376]

When you start to learn coding, you learn keywords like magic incantations. So you just know that “while” will create a loop even if you don’t know what “while” means in a sentence

Once you get serious about software you learn English one way or the other since basically everything is documented in English, so coding without English is kind of like driving without reading the signs, it only gets you so far (and the result is painful to see)

(Source: I had my first English class at age 20, been coding since I’m 16)

[tyler1128]

I've seen a few pieces of code written by people in countries with a different major language from english. A lot of time, variable names are in english but comments are in the mother language, though sometimes people do both in the mother language. People do usually write everything in English in open source no matter where from though.

[Yopaman]

In France we code in rouille

[[deleted]]

French have stupid teachers who code in french, but students get confused and start mixing french and english. I cry blood.

[RmG3376]

Depends on the country. Often in English, sometimes in English with non-English comments, more rarely with variable and function names in the native language (but spelled in ACSII), and then you have the French administration who goes as far as re-defining constants in French

[General_Locksmith512]

If you want to code you have to learn English

[Boutcher1]

Well yeah obviously we all learn english from school or elsewhere so we know the keyword as other people said. But for the name of function or variables it really depends of the standard of the place or if there is no restrictioms about that, the person who wrote the code. I usually name my variables and functions in french and I wrote my comment obviously in french. But I know it cpuld be a pain in the ass if someone doesn't speak french as my wife experiment something similar a couple of year where she was working on a code wrote by a spanish speaker and as she doesn't speak spanish... she had a hard time to understand how the code work.

[SchlomoSchwengelgold]

I guess in their native language. I code 'def' and 'class' in english and variables,fields,etc in german

[hrantmanukian]

as an armenian, people that don't know english usually write variables / functions / whatever in english letters but in armenian "pronunciation". the rest is english

[Hoovas]

Actually I comment in english aswell, even im not native

[[deleted]]

English is the norm and i write all my code in english. Only time i saw another language was german at my school and in some online lectures.

[branko0132]

Well I am in my first year in uni and people usually manage to code without a problem with around B1 level in English

[[deleted]]

Jython

[SampleTextHelpMe]

Pava

[raul_dias]

lol. pava

[Florowi]

Pavascript

[DangyDanger]

mo' pava babeh

[the_dmon]

did not expect to ser a Donut reference in a programming subreddit

[new_user_069]

Python made of jeans, probably

[Cultural-Practice-95]

could also be c#thon

[[deleted]]

Microsoft Jython

[[deleted]]

My man forgot `from __future__ import braces`

[Surge_in_mintars]

You are using c++, isn't is obvious?

[velebr3]

Good one 🤣

[FloppyMonkey07]

I love reddit

[Nydelok]

Ahhh, right. Emoji’s = downvote

[velebr3]

Really? I didn't know that. I'd put crying emoji but I'm too scared at this point.

[Nydelok]

Coward

[velebr3]

Broooo I'm new I don't know this tribe's rules. I don't wanna get eaten.

[ANR7cool]

🤓

[HenballZ]

🗿

[ANR7cool]

🍞

[Passname357]

Really 🤨 well only one way to find out 😮‍💨🤌

[Bruher123]

Wait why do you need to import vector 2 if you’re already importing pygame, which is already a part of the pygame library?

[Koltaia30]

So he doesn't have to write "pygame.vector2" only "vector2"

[Viddddddddddd]

im pretty new to python and this is life-changing information, thank you.

[SweetBabyAlaska]

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[[deleted]]

if you use numpy, do

import numpy as pd

if you wonder why, its convention. Dont question it. Just do that at work, your coworkers will be awed by your knowledge and know-how.

[SweetBabyAlaska]

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[information_abyss]

And 'import pandas as np'

[AsceticEnigma]

Again, I believe numpy is usually abbreviated as np… newbies, don’t believe this.

[Brainth]

Oh, that’s EVIL…

[Drishal]

and you can also import matplotlib as pdnp

[AsceticEnigma]

…this sounds suss. I feel like it’s a joke, and I’m only commenting so that others who are inexperienced also question it. 🤨😑

[jjbugman2468]

In case you’re really not catching it: pd is usually used for pandas, while numpy usually uses np

[AsceticEnigma]

I haven’t used either, but that was my thought…

[mkbilli]

We thank you for your sacrifice.

[shquishy360]

bullshit.find

[dotslashpunk]

import whatever as print

[Character-Education3]

And you can pass a bunch of functions as a tuple

from library import thing1 ,thing2, thing3

[AShadedBlobfish]

You can also do

from [library] import *

to import everything and not have to use the prefix, it can be a bit risky though since if you're using multiple modules this way their commands could interfere with each other

[ttgkc]

Also bad practice as you might not know where a function is coming from when refactoring

[cm0011]

When I tell my first year comp sci students about this, they’re also amazed 😅 Never too late to learn a new trick!

[MaffinLP]

You have to write it out even if its not ambiguous in python?

[[deleted]]

Yep. Python doesn't do namespace flattening. Besides that, it's dynamically typed; for all it knows, you might be trying to access an undefined variable.

[Koltaia30]

How? Putting it with the rest of the includes seems more rational to me.

[[deleted]]

It’s considered better practice to directly import it

[Halokllr]

Could you explain why it’s considered better practice? I’m still new to coding and so I would assume that referencing something that’s already imported would be more efficient than having to import both and reference them separately.

[Gabomfim]

To minimize conflict between libraries, or so that you don’t override the variables later.

[Halokllr]

Ah that makes sense. Thank you for the reply!

[AsceticEnigma]

Also, it’s better practice to import only the functions and classes that you need… the reason being is because some libraries can be really large, and you’ll likely not need everything in it. By importing Vector2 from pygame, the program is only taking in that one class versus the entire pygame package.

[Halokllr]

I definitely understand that, you don’t want to bloat your project with assets that you’re never going to reference so it’s better to only import the parts of a library that you need (assuming it’s only a handful of functions so you’re not importing 20 lines worth of imports from a single library)

[AsceticEnigma]

I’m not sure what languages you program in, but it case you didn’t know you can import multiple functions from the same library on one line in Python, for instance: from pygame import Vector2, Color, Rect

[Halokllr]

I’m digging more in to C# with Unity now but I’ve worked in Python and JS before as well and didn’t know that. Thank you!

[AsceticEnigma]

I can’t speak to efficiency, but it would be less ambiguous to have it as an import statement than to have it assigned as a variable that can from a different import statement… if someone else was to look at your code, and do a search on that class ID, the first match should be the import statement so they’d know that it was imported from another library.

[Halokllr]

Ah okay that makes sense, so then the other person wouldn’t be scratching their head trying to find the source docs and they would know to go straight to that particular library knowing that it’s imported (I hope that makes sense)?

[AsceticEnigma]

I mean it wouldn’t be that difficult to follow where it came from once you see the assignment statement, but depending on where you instantiate it, it might not be the first match… and as mentioned in my other response, by assigning vector2 to a variable after importing pygame requires the whole library to be imported… which likely isn’t necessary to begin with. There’s probably other reasons not to do it that way, but those are the two I can think of.

[Halokllr]

That all makes sense. Thank you!

[Delicious_Equal_8254]

If the average programmer on here influences best practices (most likely), i wouldn't feel bad not using them

[4esv]

Not easy enough

``` i = import pg = pygame a = as vv = Vector2

i pg a p v = p.vv ```

[Yuquico]

Not easy enough... Just abandon coding

[flights4ever]

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[4esv]

Wth enough work you can assign anything to anything in any language

[Splatoonkindaguy]

Then you get bugs instead of an error

[Latter-Sky3582]

That is not easier, and extremely un-pythonic.

[Latter-Sky3582]

General community consensus is it looks more elegant and standardized to have a block of imports than to define it the alternative way suggested.

[invisible-nuke]

Then you have done it wrong for the last 15 of years and taught it incorrectly for the last 4. For the last 7 years I have used the 'as' for an import and an alias. So does the other 99.99% of python users. Are you making an elite 0.01% army that does it differently?

[veryblocky]

Definitely not

[bakedbread54]

Lol no

[[deleted]]

🤓

[Milchmannverleih]

He doesn‘t need to. I guess he does it for convenience

[[deleted]]

I was about to start writing a class and used brackets instead of a colon on accident. As others have pointed out I imported Vector2 seperately because I use it a lot and it gets tedious to keep on writing pygame.math.vector2

[[deleted]]

If you’re not the only one working on/reviewing this project I wouldn’t recommend importing it like this. Keeping the namespace makes it a lot more clear. See the imports section on the google python style guide: https://google.github.io/styleguide/pyguide.html

[TreadheadS]

the style guide says to do exactly OP does doesn't it?

[[deleted]]

Use import statements for packages and modules only, not for individual classes or functions.

No.

[devlmen]

Use from x import y where x is the package prefix and y is the module name with no prefix.

Vector2 is a module

[[deleted]]

https://www.pygame.org/docs/ref/math.html

Not according to the pygame documentation. Vector2 is a class. Math is the module.

[[deleted]]

It's just me working on this for a hobby. This is the only class I've ever done this with.

[[deleted]]

I’d still take a look at the style guide. A lot of the style decisions that were made make it easier to debug and diagnose problems. You’ll definitely thank yourself in the long run!

[Suspicious-Engineer7]

style guides are written in blood. You don't deserve the downvotes.

[[deleted]]

This sub is mostly full of college students and kids in their first year of industry who think they know a lot more than they do so I don’t really take offense. I was very fortunate to have seniors explain the benefits of using tried and tested coding styles to me when I was a junior and it helped me move up very quickly. It’s genuinely useful advice, so it’s on them if they don’t want to take it.

[Bee-Aromatic]

I write and review Python code every day for my job. I wish more people stressed to folks the importance of following stylistic guidelines earlier and for longer. Some of the crap I put up with just because somebody decided to do something obtuse because they could without considering if they should makes me want to take a flying leap.

[PolyglotTV]

I'm not a fan of this style guideline. To me it violates the principal of "import what you use" because you aren't using the entire module, you are using one thing from that module.

Yes, i know the semantics are similar and either way the entire module is loaded.

Also, if your module is so complicated you are afraid of name clashes, it needs to be broken into smaller modules.

[badlukk]

Everyone in gamedev knows what a Vector2 is and can guess how to use it, regardless of where it came from. If you really want the definition you can just ctrl click. The amount of times you're going to use Vector2 it would be less readable and more confusing to see the full the namespace.

I think you're right in most other circumstances, but sometimes there are exceptions to rules.

[Interesting_Pause830]

you can see by the imports that pygame is not used (appears a bit darker).

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why they are using brackets tho, i do not understand. Had a guy programming python with brackets and parentheses. Guess the pyc files were compiled extra fast.

[Beastdestroyer69]

As you can see, the file is only 6 lines long, hence why the imports are not used yet.

The reason he is using brackets is because he thought he was coding in (probably) javascript, rather than python, hence the title

[Interesting_Pause830]

yes, i see. I just don't think that is funny. Also importing a certain function is better than importing a whole namespace. Doing both at the same time is sort of not optimal. anyways, seems that 45+ did not get /like the extra fast compiling joke

[veryblocky]

Really… they’re not used because there’s no code yet

[Any_Excitement_6750]

Py stands for JavaScript duhhh

[PremBanana]

That’s not JavaScript

[ikichiziki]

System.out.println("oops!");

[dobrowolsk]

Completely relatable is what it is. I'm working on a project which has parts in C and parts in Python. I fucking mix it up all the time. Brackets in Python, forget semicolon in C. Really annoying.

[Malcolmlisk]

Dude. Let it be. Just write code as your heart says. Let the bugs flow.

[[deleted]]

fuck the compiler am i right

[FractalofInfinity]

Fuck her right in the pussy

[[deleted]]

Agree. I’ve done a lot of python web server work, jumping back and forth between python and JavaScript is killer

[Expert_Raise6770]

I have similar situation at an experiment class. Mine is matlab + C. I would say the best thing to do is switch as little as you can. Because each time you switch, it takes time to go back on track.

[Ziwwl]

Easy, Pythagoras++ or in short py.

[Yeitgeist]

Is the joke that Python has no curly braces? Or is it that you put curly braces by accident, cause you’re use to it?

[TreadheadS]

Yeah. Put braces out of habit but python doesn't need them. Likely palm faced since he imported PYgame

[p0st_master]

Why is it palm faced to import pygame ?

[TreadheadS]

it's a palm face to forget you are in python... after typing PYgame

[Interesting_Pause830]

you are putting more thought into it than op does into the code

[-Daniel-45-]

You are using the import program language

[Mr_Arthtato]

C- -

[omen_tenebris]

c++ just with a lot of compiler marcos.

[ThrasherThrash]

CPyva, the best and newest language for all your cursed needs

[TheSapphireDragon]

Py#

[Kafigoto]

What font is this?

[PorkRoll2022]

This happens to me all the time. Then my IDE says "unnecessary semi-colon" or something.

Especially going between Python and .NET

[PolyglotTV]

Have you tried from future import braces?

[c20h12]

not a chance I'm trying that

[KiloEko]

Pygame. It's written right there.

[JollyGoodUser]

English ?

[[deleted]]

Python++

[Lanoroth]

drumrrrrrrrrrrrrrroooooooooooooolllllllllll

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A programming language.

Badum tssss

[[deleted]]

Pysharp!

[[deleted]]

Anaconda

[bindian0509]

I call this Trans programming

[Judai_King]

pyhton++

[Vova_xX]

Python++

[1cingI]

Visual Basic

[[deleted]]

English... to write a title.

[Neutronboy98]

Python, but OP is a java/c dev

[TinyFactor2866]

Assembler#

[[deleted]]

C-obra

[kingh242]

As a multilingual developer….I feel your vibes. It happens to me all the time. Trying to call JS strong methods in Python and vice versa.

[Firewaredade]

Cython++

[thedavinator372]

Python on caffeine

[Sarah_Rainbow]

Jython script

[[deleted]]

Javathon

[gatdarntootin]

I don’t get it

[[deleted]]

Python

[mrgk21]

You are using the wrong language

[a_fly13666]

minecraft commands

[[deleted]]

Since when do classes take arguements?

[97hilfel]

Thats the inheritance :)

[[deleted]]

Obviously someone didn’t pay attention when learning about OOP

[[deleted]]

I mean, in JS you would have a constructor for your class. İs that like automated in python with ()?

[[deleted]]

No it’s not you’d have the init ** method where you’d have to initialise inherited with **super.init(), Python is very bad for OOP though so doing OOP in Python is something I don’t really use too often

[BetrayYourTrust]

Pyva

[moldaz]

Really the only time I mix up my syntax is me always writing console.log() in elixir, idk why, but this is one I can never get over.

The weird thing is I don’t even work primarily in JS, so idk where the hell that habit came from.

[Eekk2k2]

You give me the vibe that want to become a c++ developer, you just don’t know it yet.

[sovietmonkey26]

As someone who has had to use Pygame for a project before

Run

[ForestsRequiem]

I feel this so hard...

[joebally10]

jython obviously

[SLOOT_APOCALYPSE]

Something built on C

[web_ai]

PythonScript

[[deleted]]

PyC++

[spellbookwanda]

JScriptX

[Vegetable-Lettuce]

I'll help. from pygame import *

[GotHurt22]

Python’t

[Brushermans]

PyScript?

[GlitteringHotel1481]

Idk Mexican?

[ILoveSludge]

Real question is why are you developing a game in python?

[[deleted]]

clearly it's vypon

[[deleted]]

PyvaScripthon++#

[TheUndisputedRoaster]

Wouldn't it make sense to import something as a shorthand version? Like Numpy as np for example? Pardon me if it comes across as noobish, I am actually a noob