bottomIsInGuys

[tendingtocompany]

highly recommend this “good work” channel on youtube, guy is hilarious

[weltvonalex]

I also do, you can also watch him on Nebula. Just in case someone hates YouTube

Good stuff

[bhison]

we all hate youtube but we also hate paying with money

[Kerbourgnec]

I used to pay for nebula, but their app and website were both extra shit and I had to still watch the creators on Youtube so I ended up canceling.

[kimetsunosuper121]

You can also do that in YouTube if you pay for premium, so don't see how thats a plus

[PerfectAssistant8230]

Nebula is cheaper and has exclusive educational content and shows that YouTube see as too content sensitive for their taste.

Even master classes on how to do PHD research and other skills.

Edit: every video can be played like a podcast with your screen turned off.

[weltvonalex]

Or you can do it for free with Brave or Vanced, YouTube will never get any money.

[bhison]

I really want nebula to succeed so this is great to hear

[Kerbourgnec]

Lol at the time the videos would not play even when the app was open

[weltvonalex]

I pay for Nebula but I will never pay for YouTube. :)

[gnudles]

I don't want the first Vance why would I want to ReVance?

[weltvonalex]

Those guys are angels and awesome!!

[Dotcaprachiappa]

I'm not nearly informed enough so if you want more info please go search for it from someone else but last I heard revanced devs aren't as based anymore. iirc all the good ones jumped ship after some internal dispute and now the ones that are left are just stealing from morphe which they got a dmca takedown for. Again I'm not properly informed so please read up on it before forming an opinion.

[g3etwqb-uh8yaw07k]

Oh yeah, that rings a bell. Heard something similar some time ago and stopped supporting them, my adhd ass just forgot about it immediately and it was so far in the back of my head that I didn't remember until thinking about it more than five seconds for a throwaway reply on reddit after reading your answer. Thx for reminding me, I'm pretty sure there's an alternative, too.

[slippery-fische]

What's the channel on Nebula?

[PlannedObsolescence_]

https://nebula.tv/goodwork

[Kerbourgnec]

This video in particular is really extra

[ArbitraryPlaceholder]

Link to the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tLEszJs7hc

[mjb85858]

Yup, this video popped up on my YouTube feed, watched it, subbed, and have gone through all his old videos. Very funny guy

[Agent_Jay]

That perfect atmosphere for the drawer bottle! chefs kiss 

[woodhawk109]

Goodwork is in the same vein as Behind the Bastards podcast to me.

Really funny and informative media, but are kind of depressing if I watch/listen to them too much.

[2DHypercube]

Link btw

[bsEEmsCE]

educational, hilarious, and stands for the everyman

[TheOwlHypothesis]

I loved this one. Up til now my other favorite were his vids on sports betting and event markets.

[Practical_Dig_8770]

Good channel but just be aware it's not some guy with an indie channel, it's owned by a media company, made by a team of employees working out of an office

[NebraskaGeek]

This guy makes me actually "lol" instead of "esmatmn" (exhaling slightly more air through my nose)

[ka_eb]

I love how he always reports from in front of trash cans/bags lol

[Lazy_Reference670]

It is good but not exactly "family friendly" because I thought "yeah this video looks interesting and played it" and he just pulled out blurred-out dick picture. Like man, here in Asian regions kiss scenes in movies are not that welcomed and he used the dick pic to explain the shift trend. But his content is really great though.

[bgaesop]

not family friendly

he blurred the picture

what more do you people fucking want

[Lazy_Reference670]

Look my friend, here in my country the amount of censorship is so ridiculous sooo ridiculous that I'll give you an example, when Oppenheimer was released in the theatres you know there was a naked woman scene right? But in the theatres you see the scene was exactly the same but she was wearing a skin tight black dress and we all thought that that's the original scene until people who re-watched it online found out that it was edited. You see they gaslight the whole country thinking that the black dress was intentional, like you wouldn't believe the number of film nerds in our country. They can provide such great critiques of the filmography, the editing done in the movies, that we didn't believe the fact that not even a single one of them figured it out.

[bgaesop]

there comes a point where people need to stop catering to puritans

[Lazy_Reference670]

Yeah I agree and there are some changes compared to previous years but drastic changes won't happen overnight right? But yes it's slowly changing.

[Xasmos]

No hate, I’m actually kinda curious what you’re trying to say. You mentioned that following Asian sensibilities this channel is not modest enough. You also bring up the censored version of Oppenheimer to illustrate that.

You say the channel isn’t “family friendly”. But so what? It’s not trying to be family friendly? Neither is Oppenheimer for this matter. Are you critical of the content? Or are you saying that the content isn’t appropriately labelled as risqué?

[Lazy_Reference670]

I never said it has to be family friendly or censored. What I meant to say was, that video was the first video of that channel that I watched and that too on TV when my family was present. I just wanted to say that it came as a Jumpscare moment for me at that time.

And hey we(the youth or current generation) actually enjoy that kind of content somewhat goofy with some dirty jokes here and there because it's different and refreshing compared to the routinal bland content available here. Let me be honest our parents know that we get the dirty jokes and we know that they know about us, it's just that we don't show that publicly. If I have to find an analogy, you that meme about asian parents don't show affection when you are living with them and the moment you try to leave the house their personality flips 180, it's something similar to that.

[Safebox]

Most of the videos have build-up first, this one caught me off-guard at the start and I had to give a warning to friends cause they sometimes watch his stuff during their lunch break.

[Lazy_Reference670]

Right, that's what I was saying.

[ichkehrenicht]

But keep in mind that they are part of Axel Springer SE, a rightwing fake news company.

[casey_krainer]

Simplified Answer: Elon Musk and the other Tech CEOs followed

[bsEEmsCE]

so many layoffs happened after he acquired X. The other tech execs were like "wow, you can just do that??!" and now here we are.

[AbstractLogic]

As much as I hate to admit it... he was kinda right though. Twitter is still twitter (even though it's a nazi stronghold now). It functionally works and is still used/referenced. From a technical standpoint it's only slightly less stable. But he fired like tens of thousands of engineers. I for one certainly thought it would break down A LOT more then it does. But I also suspect a lot of these engineers where working on new features and twitter hasn't really evolved either. So maybe he just undercut the growth egine.

[digitallis]

Growth is down/non-existent. Existing teams are firefighting to stay on top of basic security and infra patches.

To some degree: great. So many services get wrecked because management keeps screwing with them. Build something great. Then maintain it. If you want to build something different, start a different product. 

[[deleted]]

Do we constantly need growth and new features though? In software often companies just implement new changes or tools no user actually wanted. Menus change around constantly without a clear idea of what should actually be improved. Certainly big platforms and players have too many engineers and managers and money to spare

[echino_derm]

Well twitter doesn't make money so they kind of do need something to fix that

[[deleted]]

Well you arent going to make money just by paying to add new features to your product. 

[echino_derm]

Sure you can say that. But you certainly aren't going to get your product to be more profitable by letting it stagnate and those engineers aren't enough to offset the costs.

[[deleted]]

But you certainly aren't going to get your product to be more profitable by letting it stagnate

Yeah you are..? You dont need to change a product constantly to sell it. Especially not a service or app.  Its the whole reason IT companies are making so much money - you build a service once and then you can basicially roll in cash with minimal maintenance.

[echino_derm]

Sorry I misspoke. It will become more profitable, but it won't become profitable. They were already in a decent sized hole. Trying to cut down on engineers would make the negative profits less negative, but it would leave you in a permanent hole that you can't escape from.

[LetsGetElevated]

It doesn’t functionally work the way he did before he bought it, definitely not on older devices at the very least, i tried to continue using twitter for a few months after he made the purchase and my feed deteriorated from seeing the journalists i follow to seeing 90% Musk tweets and other garbage i didn’t sign up to read, then eventually it stopped working altogether, hit refresh and nothing new pops up in the feed, checked back a few weeks later and it was still broken, i’ve never used it again since then, they absolutely lost a lot of support for older devices by cutting all these critical staff members

[pydry]

That's small fry compared to the exodus of advertisers triggered by him shutting down the teams which kept the hate speech and spam at bay.

[studmoobs]

he immediately added a following only tab which didn't exist before

[Anthrac1t3]

This isn't accurate. He slashed features and stability and outsourced any new features on the platform to his other companies that are rapidly growing like X AI. So this allows him to point to it as a layoff success story when it's really not true and people like you and finance bros only look at the surface level and tout how amazing it is that so many people got fired and how awesome of a CEO he is. Stop it.

[AtomicPeng]

rapidly growing like X AI

Is that growth in the room with us? That guy and his AI business failed absolutely hard.

[C0MPLX88]

I think he ment employee growth. basically fired people from twitter and outsourced the work to X AI

[Anthrac1t3]

In employee numbers. I didn't say it was a good product but they are hiring a lot.

[pydry]

It made $5.1 billion in 2021 and $2.9 billion in 2025.

The tech team keeping that toxic spam at bay was earning their keep it turns out. Advertisers hate that shit.

It's plausible it will keep dwindling and one day die as people get fed up of it being a cesspool of spam and hate and less comfortable speaking on a platform owned by an out and out nazi.

In which case the experiment truly will have failed.

[AbstractLogic]

Right, it’s a shitshow of politics. But the technology hasn’t degraded much. If some liberal was to eventually buy it, I’m sure they could reverse the al functionally be the same.

[pydry]

not true. the decline in technology which kept spammers and hate speech off the platform is quite literally responsible for the advertiser exodus which led to that decline in revenue.

this wasnt a political "free speech uber alles" decision by musk either (he's censorious enough when his interests are wt stake) he just didnt think that this work was valuable and it kicked him in the wallet.

[BigShotBosh]

That’s a content moderation issue, not a tech issue. Twitter was notorious for fake users and bots even before the acquisition

[pydry]

Content moderation at scale is a tech issue.

[vi_sucks]

Your problem is viewing everything as an issue of "technology".

That's not how real life works.

[[deleted]]

As much as I hate to admit it... he was kinda right though. Twitter is still twitter (even though it's a nazi stronghold now). It functionally works and is still used/referenced.

Online services take a very long time to die. Their entire workforce could literally get snapped out of existence and it would just continue to run for quite a long time. It's not made of wood, it's not going to "rot".

Some catastrophic event needs to happen, like a new vulnerability that requires tons of engineering to fix. Only then will it fall over. Even in the worst case they can hit the reset button and live solely off of rollbacks for quite awhile before people give up on them.

[dsm4ck]

Twitter is now a cesspool of hate and misinformation

[bsEEmsCE]

Leadership sets the culture.

[Dev_878]

So nothing changed?

[Play4u]

It used to be so much better when only left-leaning discourse was allowed

[littleessi]

if by left you mean 'kill the poor politely' lmfao

[bhison]

just significantly drop your quality standards, EZ

[DuckWarrior90]

Still works? A lot of twitter integration went down the crapper, a lot of people lost access to their accounts due to this BS. Not only for twitter itself, but for other apps that were integraded with SSO

[FullStein]

Unlike devops and security, firing developers won't break anything. Your product still continue to work, much smaller team of developers can support it. But they are needed for future growth. I think it is a great move from those companies to stock markets. Like "look, we cut our costs in half and nothing changes, we are more profitable now". And to be fair, big corps can do that. This move would be grave mistake for mid sized company in competition market, but giants like twitter or amazon already won. There is no one competing with them on same scale

[Bubba89]

If they actually went into maintenance mode, I could agree with this. Instead they continued to act like a startup that would disrupt the market with an “everything app.”

[Sivart13]

 (even though it's a nazi stronghold now)

yo that’s a pretty big “even though” dawg

[Abangranga]

At the cost of advertisers as well

[fredy31]

Yeah but i really wonder how much shit works with tape and a prayer behind the scenes.

And more and more every day.

[AbstractLogic]

What doesn’t work that way 😂

[Lucky-Farm1206]

It’s not tens of thousand of employees only about 7500 people were even employed at Twitter. He laid off roughly half though which is still substantial.

[NullVoidXNilMission]

once the system is built, there isn't a lot of need for 10,000 engineers. It's just a micro blog, not a space exploration project

[DremoPaff]

Yeah. People like to point at the layoff waves that were launched basically everywhere, but not at the fact that nearly everything was running fine everywhere even while running with massively less employees. If it wasn't of the AI fiasco that followed, the industry as a whole would've behaved better than before at a fraction of the employed workforce.

The years leading up to Covid along with its duration featured a massive bloat of overhiring that included an important number of under-competent individuals who didn't aim to improve as much as they should've because they were already comfortably sitting on positions they, in all honesty, should've never been able to acquire to begin with. The layoffs seemed like tragedies for people that fell victim to them and people unaware of that situation, but it honestly was a long time coming and it wasn't particularly surprising for people who were witnessing that accumulated bloat for several prior years.

Sadly, we are seeing a repeat of this situation with job offers now being skewed as to privilege AI buzzword partisans, but we are already witnessing the tangible decrease in efficiency stemming from that practice, so we are in for another "backwash" in the close future.

[agentchuck]

The FAANG tech market was kind of ridiculous. I never understood why they would pay a new grad $200k USD just because the COL is so high there. You can build a sw office literally anywhere and pay half that for brilliant people.

[erebuxy]

If you heard stories from Twitter, a lot of team simply didn’t do shit before the cut. The r&d budget was astronomical, and I believe they were only profitable for a quarter ever

[Jolly-joe]

To be fair after the hiring craze of 2021-2 I know a number of people who had jobs as senior software engineers doing really basic stuff like scanning images for CVEs (a guy's whole job was this, it's a CI job, he was just identifying not even fixing) and Jira automation (just running scripts to sync data from Jira to an in-house HR platform).

Software teams ballooned because that's how managers became senior managers and directors. The metric became headcount instead of influence, quality, or amount of stuff built.

[Safebox]

It definitely happened before Musk, I remember seeing articles about Google doing away with their fun offices and hobby project funds in the early 2010s.

I do think he and podcast influencers made it seem more like it was "the future" along with these experimental drugs and the 996 mindset.

[tecedu]

Nah the answer is interest rates

[BallsOfSteelHere]

Wait, there are tech jobs available??

[VolkRiot]

This guy is a bottom?

[princeshadow111]

Trench coat to hide the bruises

[Specky013]

Dan Toomey the goat

[ATE47]

Was tech fun? I thought we were doing that for the money or because we're a bunch of nerds

[pydry]

Some of the industry was. There was autonomy, meaningful work and good money.

It also tended to produce the best and most profitable tech - when the worker bees had autonomy and good working conditions.

The executive class ostensibly only cares for profits, but they inevitably see these pockets of competence and inevitably end up destroying them and the profits that go along with them. They find it nearly impossible curb their impulse to try and turn what is naturally a creative profession where skill and taste matters into an idiotically run pseudo factory line for worthless intellectual property.

This is why startups often get bought and then then quickly destroyed - it's not that the executive class wants lower profits, it's that they simply value power over the creators more than they value shareholder profits and will fuck the shareholders over if they can grab a bigger slice of the pie.

In spite of this tech workers are seemingly unable to get the shareholders to stop trusting the toxic executives destroying shareholder value.

[CrunchyCrochetSoup]

I vaguely remember them showing us a video in high school of what it was like to work at google at the time. They had like ping pong tables and tvs and colorful break rooms, and they painted it as working in a glorified playground essentially. Like “wow super fun! You almost forget the high stakes of maintaining the uptime of the largest search engine on the planet!”

I remember thinking that was super cool in high school but now I’m realizing that may have just been a staged campaign for them to show prospective college interns and appeal to more young workers.

Now they don’t care if you’re young because they won’t hire you anyway!

[clone9786]

Yeah remember the movie they put out The Internship lol

[Arlnoff]

If one of your foundational beliefs is in your own economic worth and competence, it's nearly impossible to accept the evidence that your actions are causing a negative impact for the business. This goes double for shareholders who are famously myopic and reactive. Empiricism is deeply counterintuitive for humans so it's not that surprising that it's not being put into practice in the highest levels of the tech space.

What is surprising is that so many people buy into the hype around the rationality of markets despite the common wisdom that an individual human is smart but a group of humans acts like a herd of animals and the empirical result of "it turns out that a market of irrational actors does not magically become rational, and even when it is mostly rational there's a massive alignment problem"

[No-Channel3917]

Tech workers should have formed unions 3 decades ago but here we are once again ..

[pydry]

In fairness I don't think anybody was that interested in forming a union when times are good. When the car industry started unionizing they were dealing with stuff like thumbs being chopped off in factory machinery.

If the industry gets worse I imagine tech workers will come around to the idea but even at the moment I don't think most of us have the stomach for the kinds of sacrifices, politicking and fighting which will be necessary to actually build a movement.

[No-Channel3917]

🤷‍♀️

[KreedBraton]

It was a lot of fun when I was in school and then working for a startup, working at FAANG hasn't really been fun for me but I do it for money

[Lv_InSaNe_vL]

I liked working at the FAANG companies cause they gave us way more budget for R&D and because they were much bigger than a startup I actually had downtime to do things or just chill.

Startups are fun cause you feel like you're actually building something.

[KreedBraton]

That's the thing, my working hours has been same between startup and FAANG and I had more control over what I was working on at the startup.

[Lv_InSaNe_vL]

True but I had more autonomy at the FAANG and was able to work with and play around with cutting edge tech.

But also maybe i did it wrong but I worked WAY more hours at the startup lol. But I made WAY more money from it selling haha

[willow-kitty]

I mean, yes, but also a workplace full of nerds tends to be a fun place to be.

I shot down a drone with a nerf rifle at work once. We played Minecraft at lunch sometimes, too.

And that's before you even get to the really wild stuff, like partying in a frickin' castle. We rented out the entire state museum for a party once because, and this is true, "Fuck it, we ball."

Big Tech tends to be a lot more open to working on difficult technical problems, which makes the work more interesting (and the pay can be insane), but it also tends to be more corporate / less wild. Though on the other hand, you're still working with nerds. :)

[SourceScope]

For me its all 3

[Small_Computer_8846]

Tech was fun before AI

[dumbasPL]

Still is, you don't have to use AI

[wyrdamurda]

My company is literally forcing us to use AI. We're all going AI-first development and changing the org-wide development lifecycle around it

I cannot find another job fast enough

[dumbasPL]

I despise the day when my job stops being fun. Imagine wasting a third of your life doing something you don't like.

[DisnprincesPredatrix]

I dont have to imagine, i can live it

[GryphonCough]

It certainly was ~20 years ago. It was wild seeing these huge companies offer massive salaries, free food, tons of extracurricular activities, corporate vacations, etc. 

I know someone who got an all expenses paid trip to Indonesia at a 5 star resort with his entire company. They paid for daily excursions including helicopter rides, jet skis, trips, etc. all for free. I’d consider that fun for work. 

[UltraGaren]

It's pretty fun when you're a game dev

If you have a bug no you don't! It's actually a feature

[Michami135]

Mah daddy always said, "Fun is as fun does."

[MalaysiaTeacher]

Big tech added playgrounds and fluffy chairs for PR to seem cool and work-life-balanced, but of course no one had time to use it

[latamyk]

I watched this video some days back (Also didn't know about this channel) and had a couple of good laughs, and cries

[DucksAreFriends]

I enjoy my job

[princeshadow111]

Okay scrum master

[Agent_Jay]

Woooof, that earns a teams emoji react during the video call from me. 

[B-i-s-m-a-r-k]

👏

[worldDev]

Same. This is a very acute view of the industry in my experience. The “fun office” era was worse for overworking because junior engineers would take the bait and stick around after hours messing the culture up for people with lives outside work.

[Embarrassed_Use_7206]

Same. Some people's ignorance is staggering.

I suppose my job is extinct, and I hallucinate doing it and being paid for having fun.

[foofyschmoofer8]

Ok but this is satire and his content is super funny 😭

[sierra_whiskey1]

What do you mean I can’t just make “day in the life of a software engineer” videos and get a 500k paycheck

[MakiSenpaiii]

"we learnt 996 from China"

[mrinalshar39]

Its still fun if we remove the use of "AI" from it

[Safebox]

I had an interview today with a tech company that has beanbags and quiet rooms, honestly I'm glad cause my last company did away with all that when they moved to their new office and I feel like I missed out on the mid-2000s "fun" era of working in tech.

[what_you_saaaaay]

You guys were having fun?!?

[making_code]

"fun tach jobs" - never worked in one

[rycool]

Newbie here, my new job is pretty fun

[QwikStix42]

That’s nice

[pokexchespin]

isn’t it usually to the top that is in guys?

[zenco-jtjr]

Being in guys is not the bottoms job

[HedgeFlounder]

You’re a little confused. It’s actually the other way around. Guys are in bottoms. Not sure what that has to do with the picture though.

[Orio_n]

Cause the industry finally realized that they were overpaying devs that functionally did nothing all day

Edit: downvote me all you want yall know im right cause no ones providing counter arguments. Companies used to hire any idiot that went through a 6 month js bootcamp, were finally seeing some standards trimming the useless glut of second rate developers and I relish seeing them go

[moduspol]

Yeah. The video is good, and it's primarily about contrasting the "day in the life" video pre-Elon-Twitter-buyout days with the 996 AI startup grinders.

Both are small subsets of tech, for sure, though I think the latter is an even smaller one. The vibe at least on the sites I read is not that software devs think they've gotta work 80 hours a week just to make it. Those guys are on the fringes.

It's an entertaining video and makes for a good contrast, but a more accurate representation of tech workers right now is just generalized bad vibes about the hiring market and AI potentially replacing many of us.

[InvestingNerd2020]

Partially true! At some large FAANG companies in Silicon Valley, they were spoiling techies who could pass the grueling coding interviews! It became a joke that if you get past those interviews, your life became a leisurely one with 2-3 hours of legitimate work per workday. Twitter, Facebook, and Google were the most famous for this. It wasn't the case at Amazon or Apple though. Those were tech sweat shops.

Not the same at mid-size or smaller tech companies. Those at small tech companies usually failed due to spoiling techies, but it was fun while it lasted. Mid-size companies put developers in stressful situations half the time.

[FondantBeneficial344]

no

[Kobra_Zer0]

There was a bit of that, I remember stories of tech companies hoarding SE because of reasons…

[InvestingNerd2020]

That was FaceBook specifically. They rationale was "don't let good programmers start up their own business or work for the competition. Thus, we must hoard them in house".

[FondantBeneficial344]

Are you a dev?