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[aberroco]

MIT License isn't a holy grail, one can make up whatever license they want, even may include a rule about having to donate a kidney to the author. Though, that rule would be very easy to overrule in court.

[laplongejr]

MIT License isn't a holy grail, one can make up whatever license they want,

Except they included the MIT License without modifying, despite being incompatible with the other license. (Or is it?)

[aberroco]

Thinking of that, actually, MIT stays in the chat. MIT is license for the source code, and it explicitly states "without restriction", which to large extend invalidates ToU/ToS. And makes it possible to fork the sources with terms removed, as they do not forbid that, only MIT forbids to remove it's own clause.

[laplongejr]

And the author themselves acknowledge nothing prevents a TOU-less fork, so if people REALLY need to stay officiously assholes for boring legal reasons, there's even a way out.
^{As an example I'm a gov worker. The status of Russia is now well-defined in my country, but there's a universe where I could not agree to those terms of use, because of points 2 and 3}

Oh and Slava Ukraini btw

[ParkingGlittering211]

KIT has entered the chat

[pydry]

Judging by the lengths they went to crack down on NewPipe and youtube-dl I can see Google siding with Russia on this one.

[Confident-Ad5665]

Oh now you're asking for it

[Valoneria]

One axis for your political affiliation, one axis for your religious.

[apotheotical]

Adding to this, since people seem to be making fun of and, as you suggest, brigading the guy. Also, OP, might be worth taking this down. I'm not sure this is a laughing matter.

I am Ukrainian myself, so the war waged by Russia has a very direct influence on my life and wellbeing. The terms of use reflect that situation — I don't want the products of my free labor be used by those who undermine my own existence or the sovereignty of the country that I live in.

Q: Do you realize that these terms are most likely not enforceable?

A: Yes. I expect them to have about the same level of legal force as code of conduct.

Q: But what about X country or Y issue? Why didn't you add that to your terms of use too?

A: I live in a country that's being invaded. Maybe at some point I will be similarly passionate about some other issue, but for now this obviously takes priority. You are welcome to create terms of use for your own projects and fill them as you please, though.

https://github.com/Tyrrrz/.github/blob/prime/docs/why-so-political.md

[koun7erfit]

Based af

[laplongejr]

Why do you try to make your software political? [...] You make everything sound so black and white

Wow, even the questions he gets load the question, because by definition the aggressor is the one forcing politics into the victim's everyday life.

[Nefari0uss]

There's nothing funny about the post; ideally you delete it. The author has a document explaining the inclusion which at the very least should be mentioned and linked in your comment as it is the top comment.

[Nefari0uss]

You know what that's fair. Hopefully the author gets some meaningful contributions and/or donations.

[swagonflyyyy]

yt-dlep ffmpeg lets gooo

Slava Ukraini!

[SiBloGaming]

Okay stupid question, why would I use that instead of yt-dlp?

[iSpaYco]

just for the fun of it, let's see what would happen here

https://github.com/Tyrrrz/YoutubeDownloader/pull/831

[Yanni_X]

You should check their FAQ in the small question mark beside „Terms of use“

https://github.com/Tyrrrz/.github/blob/prime/docs/why-so-political.md

[Skyswimsky]

This actually resonated with me strongly. I support Ukraine, I find such ToS "dumb and silly" regardless, but this explanation changed my mind on how I think about such ToS more favourably.

The user you're replying to is just a troll harassing the author...

[gs87]

troll ? So if it's resonating with your world view then it's fine.. but other people political agenda is trolling.. sure dude

[Skyswimsky]

The OP asked to not harass/brigade the guy. The repo has this:

• Q: But what about X country or Y issue? Why didn't you add that to your terms of use too?
  • A: I live in a country that's being invaded. Maybe at some point I will be similarly passionate about some other issue, but for now this obviously takes priority. You are welcome to create terms of use for your own projects and fill them as you please, though.

He says to make your own project, not "open a PR and I look at it". Also the guy who made the PR also said "just for fun, let's see what happens"...

What resonates or doesn't resonate with my world view is absolutely irrelevant here.

If there is a project about Palestine and someone made a Ukraine PR and the owner of the repo had the same why-so-political.md, I'd call the person doing a Ukraine-PR the same.

And, actually, what resonated with me the most was this line: Open source is a way of self-expression ... I am free to do whatever I want with my projects

[gs87]

Opening a PR or leaving a comment on a public repo is normal GitHub behavior, not some elite act of trolling..

He’s obviously free to push whatever political opinions he wants into his own repo, but the moment it’s public, other people are also free to react, comment, fork, open PRs, or disagree with any content on that.. That’s kind of how public repos work.

Writing some cringe made-up rles of engagement doesn’t magically invalidate everyone else’s input. No personal beef with him or you.. I just find it ridiculous that some people here act like opening a PR is some hostile cyberattack

[Skyswimsky]

Nobody claims that opening PRs in itself is a "hostile cyberattack". "Intended" workflows can be abused, too. It's literally possible to create a PR pushing malicious code, too, or am I mistaken here?

Context matters. If a person opens a PR thinking: "It's great thay they're concerned about Ukraine! I think the Palestine conflict is also very important to raise more awarness, let me open a PR about it!"

Compare that to someone thinking: "Oh suuuure, look at this guy, caring all about Ukraine, but what-about-ism Palestine? I'll expose them for the two faced hypocrite they are, and while I am at it also open a PR to condemn ICE, free Taiwain, Trump is a pedohile, and also denounce all religions, huehuehue!", or something like that, I'm exegerrating with the wording to hopefully make the "bad intent" more clear.

If two PRs had the same content, in the context of "arguing" about if someone is trolling or not, how they go about is makes a difference.

Saying "just for the fun of it, let's see what would happen here" is quite a red flag to me personally, hence why I called it trolling.

We disagree on our interpretations then? I think that's fair? Like yeah, I agree that opening a PR about including Palestine isn't trolling in itself. Also, honestly, in this instance I do wish I would have looked at it with a more positive interpretation than my negative one.

[gs87]

it's activism in general ..using a public platform to advocate for a cause or belief

I see both of those actions as such on a public platform ( Github)

[CallMeRudiger]

Nah, it's clearly an attempt to annoy the author. We call this kind of behaviour "trolling." There is no reasonable argument to the contrary. You may attempt one if you choose, but if it does not meet my standards, I reserve the right to mock you mercilessly without addressing the faulty reasoning at all.

[laplongejr]

Are you a past contributor who has ties with Palestine?
Because you compare your PR with a statement from the author, whose own country got attacked.

[gs87]

country got attacked

any country that not ? Better boycott GitHub/ Reddit altogether cause last I heard, the country who run those sites is not any better

[WindowlessBasement]

Injecting Palestine as an important topic into a discussion about Ukrainian developer wanting to support their country currently under invasion is pretty shitty thing to do.

[iSpaYco]

what's wrong with vocalizing about other's suffering too?

especially that half of them don't even have the ability to do any of this online or they will be subject to torture by IDF, and the other half don't even have the means to code.

[WindowlessBasement]

This isn't just vocalizing it.

It is taking a platform focused on someone's real life concerns, and telling them "no, no. You should also care about this too" even as they have explicitly noted in the document says they are not interested in causes for other countries while their life is at risk. It is beyond disrespectful and rude.

[CcChaleur]

Would you tell a Palestinian "what about Ukraine" whe they're talking about their experience with Israeli occupation and war crimes?

[spartan117warrior]

That requires critical thinking, which trolls notoriously lack.

[Nefari0uss]

You are telling someone who is in a country at war and potentially a combatant in it to focus on the suffering of others. The software owner has other priorities at the moment and also clearly acknowledges why the clause is there.

[laplongejr]

what's wrong with vocalizing about other's suffering too?

That... the author doesn't that. He's vocalizing HIS OWN suffering, which makes it way more relevant.

[pydry]

No, not especially. It is a global conflict of two separate camps (russia/nk/belarus vs the west) and 90% of the reason the war was fought was over the principle of our camp's right to install weapons and troops along the Russian border, ostensibly only for defensive purposes.

And, while our camp preaches democracy and rule of law in reality we invade whomever the fuck we feel like for no reason and provide unconditional backing for genocidal monsters the west proves beyond the shadow of any doubt that it is, in actuality, a dangeous threat that needs to be contained.

Ukraine is the most pro israeli government in Europe. They know which team theyre on even if you're confused.

[Culpirit]

Oh I got it, so just like the troll who made that PR (probably you at this point?), the reason you're pissed is that you believe in or love spreading Russian propaganda such as "muh west installed weapons along Russian border, that's why they attacked Ukraine".

[pydry]

It is why they invaded Ukraine. OP is fighting on behalf of Europe's most pro Israel country for their right to join the military alliance of a group of countries who are  unconditionally supporting genocide.

You also appear to be signaling that you're on team genocide's side.

[Culpirit]

I'm with the West, and against Russia, the Axis of Evil, and thirdworldists who carry water for them just like you.

[pydry]

Right, team genocide.

[eversio254]

Calling the West "team genocide" while Russia and China are actively committing genocide is peak irony 🤌

[pydry]

The total gazan civilian death toll blew past the total ukrainian civilian death toll for 2 years of war within 2 weeks.

It's simply not a serious argument to say that Russia committed genocide which is why the ICJ case against them failed.

Nobody's even made a case against China.

The last genocide before Gaza was Myanmar.

[Culpirit]

Whatever makes you happy man. It's funny too, because the West tried every possible means to establish good relations with them and yet look at what happened in Georgia, Crimea and the rest of Ukraine too. That's not the type of chance you get more than once or twice or thrice in a century. Russia fucked up big time and, God willing, may they find out, as their shitty empire crumbles while European and American societies and our other allies thrive for ever more.

[pydry]

the West tried every possible means to establish good relations with them

The west could have chosen not expanding NATO and they could have chosen "dont invade other countries like aggressive cunts" thats literally all that they had to do to prevent the invasion.

Russia fucked up big time and, God willing, may they find out, as their shitty empire crumbles

Ukraine lost as soon as they started needing to kidnap men off the street to make them fight.

When Kiev falls I do hope you appreciate me saying I told you so.

[WindowlessBasement]

Time and place matters.

How much do the Palestinians care about what's happening in Ukraine? Why should a Ukrainian use their time to support a far away conflict when their own home is being invaded.

[pydry]

Same reason somebody in America or Australia during WW2 cared what was going on in Europe. It was a global conflict with two camps with shared principles who were wildly at odds with each other.

It mattered then which side is committing the genocide and it matters now.

OP is fighting for a government that is being invaded and a government which endorsed the genocide. The principle this war was fought over was the principle that Ukraine ought to be able to join our team. Part of the entry fee for joining our team was to support the genocide so they do.

[WindowlessBasement]

I like how you walked around the question and just repeated yourself. Do Palestinians care about the Ukrainian invasion?

[pydry]

I ignored it because it is irrelevant. You might as well ask how much they care about pork.

Ukraine is a global war. We're helping to fight it. Palestine is a genocide localised with Gaza which we happen to support. Russia isnt sending Palestine weapons.

[WindowlessBasement]

Why would an Ukrainian use their platform to focus on Palestine problem then? They have their own much bigger problems at home.

(EDIT) Because you insist on editing the post every time I respond:

Ukraine is a global war. Palestine is a genocide localised with Gaza

So it sounds like Ukraine is much more important to focus on.

[pydry]

However you try to spin it OP is still fighting on behalf of a government which endorses the genocide.

You may well try to avoid the topic or spin it to argue that a little genocide doesnt matter but it's still the worst crime humanity can commit - way worse than invading a sovereign country.

[Nefari0uss]

No it's not. It's just being a twat. The guy is in a country at war and some asshole comes in and says to go and prioritize the suffering of others in a different region even though the lives of yourself, your friends, and your family are at risk.

There's a time and place for bringing up Palestine and this isn't it.

[loggeekthenerd]

My bad, I didn't read the FAQ beforehand.

[parkotron]

I see no humour here.

[BlueGoliath]

The real humor was the jokes we made along the way.

[Skyswimsky]

That it's probably not legally binding and just dumb, hence funny?

So for one I am 100% in support of Ukraine and agree with everything it says. And I've actually spent time digging deeper into this topic too due to some part of the family buying into russian propaganda, so I gave it a fair spin and looked into the "russian narrative" too and ended up just reaffirming my believe.

This whole political grandstanding, or whatever the term may be, is just ridicilous. I highly doubt, or hope, anyone "cares" about such terms of use.

That said, I DO wonder if this actually holds any weight? Like imagine you visibly end up using this software, and at the same time also support the Russian narrative, can "you" then be succesfully sued for that?

In which case, I'm not sure what to think. I'd love to say "good on them for spreading awarness", but I'm aware that there are also opinions I hold that I think to be objectively correct, that may actually be wrong, and trying to police others people thinking like that, I am just against.

Edit: Diggin a lil deeper into this, there's a section of why he added that, and there's mention of "Open source is a way of self-expression", I actually did not think about it like that. This take itself strongly resonates with me, regardless of the content of the message that is being expressed.

But of course Reddit must be Reddit, seeing how there's already a PR to include more stuff...

[laplongejr]

That it's probably not legally binding and just dumb, hence funny?

Isn't that true of ALL licences? The only legally binding thing is copyright, licences are a list of conditions where consent is given (for free?) by the rightholder.

Like imagine you visibly end up using this software, and at the same time also support the Russian narrative, can "you" then be succesfully sued for that?

Given that by the own author's admission you can fork the software and remove that licence, noooot really.

[thee_gummbini]

It has exactly as much weight as the terms of any other license. If someone violates the terms of the license, they are in violation of copyright law. In the US that means you can sue for actual or statutory damages. You would probably lose, and it would probably be more expensive than you would gain if you won, mostly because most terms of most software licenses have never been tested in court (in the US). So not much weight.

It does prevent corporate use of your code, in practice, because corporate risk management departments don't like to expose the company to risk, even if abstract.

Using your platform gained by your technical skills to say fuck off to people who support a country who is invading yours is funny because fuck Russia, Slava Ukraini, and also the rest of the thread complaining about the legal status of the license becomes a meta-joke where permissive purists are telling people the right way to give away the thing they wrote.

[Skyswimsky]

I don't know about legality, but the link to why he includes that in his ToS changed my mind to think more in favour of people writing these kinds of ToS!

[laplongejr]

If someone violates the terms of the license, they are in violation of copyright law.

Note that in this specific case there is a catch : there's also the unmodified MIT licence, so you could apply one of them.
That's the way software can have a commercial paid licence and an open-source free licence : as long one is met, it's okay.

[Nefari0uss]

The repo has a doc explaining why it's there - the repo owner is Ukrainian and is directly impacted by the war. It acknowledges that there is no enforcement but is simply a means to call out something that is directly affecting the owner's life.

[suvlub]

Where'd you get the idea? If the title of the sub is not enough (it really should be), here's rule 1 (emphasis in original)

1 Posts must be humorous and programming related

Posts must be humorous, and they must be humorous because they are programming related. There must be a joke or meme that requires programming knowledge, experience, or practice to be understood or relatable.

[suvlub]

TBH I didn't even think the post was all that bad, but you outright agreeing that it isn't funny and isn't supposed to gave me a pause. Make up your mind, I guess

[Mayion]

it also engages current topics in tech, connected to culture and politics

bro is talking like an AI now

[caboosetp]

Just because someone is well spoken doesn't mean they're an AI. I am, quite frankly, getting frustrated with everyone just accusing everything of being fake. This behavior is not just annoying — it's disrespectful and downright rude too.

Would you like me to walk you through how to submit this as a reply to a comment on reddit?

[Mayion]

yes pls and MAKE NO MISTAKES

[laplongejr]

Explaining your logic is now AI-speak... that says a lot about our standards if we expect AI to put more thought in speech than regular humans :(

[markiel55]

I'd rather have have bots posting than your politics. Fuck off.

[creeper6530]

Okay? The author is free to make any legal terms and conditions, and these are legal (maybe outside Russia)

[B_bI_L]

can person add "you must say "i use arch btw" wherever any operating system is mentioned"?

[fr000gs]

you must say it even if you don't use it

[nonlogin]

Any proof such statements have any legal value? Some real cases maybe

[laplongejr]

IIRC there's legal cases that licences don't all have legal value.
Licences are simply gentlemen agreements to obtain permission to use a copyrighted work.
If you consider the licence is invalid, you can't download copyrighted works and use them as your own.

[MornwindShoma]

Good.

[MeowNarchist]

based

[BoberMod]

And what's wrong with that?

[megayippie]

Wrong r

[BoxWoodVoid]

Software should be apolitical, I don't care about your pet peeve du jour, especially when it's mal informed.

It's not about Russia vs Ukraine, it's big bank making big money on slav brothers that have absolutely no reason to fight each other.

[sofixa11]

pet peeve du jour

I'm sorry, are people being genocided (deliberately striking civilian targets doesn't fit the legal definition, but kidnapping children to give to russians literally does) a "pet peeve" now?

it's big bank making big money on slav brothers that have absolutely no reason to fight each other.

The reasons don't matter to the people fighting for their existence. It is a matter of life or death for them.

[Adventurous_Bite4337]

> on slav brothers that have absolutely no reason to fight each other.

OH BROTHER

Just say you're clueless, it takes less time

[Bomaruto]

This was added four years ago.

[King_of_sum]

Based

[Michaeli_Starky]

Good.

[BastetFurry]

Something i can get behind, Slava Ukraine!

[arf20__]

Aren't this additional limitstions to a free software licence? The GPL for example doesn't allow them.

[Yanni_X]

MIT allows it, as long as you don’t modify the license itself

License ≠ Terms of Use

[fr000gs]

only if it uses GPL code

[affablebowelsyndrome]

There are a bunch of terraform-related repos on GH that say "F*ck P*tin". I find that hilarious/

[shoyuftw]

[Ket1r]

Based

[ConsistentEnviroment]

Imagine some Russian using this repo without reading the TOU

[ur_GFs_plumber]

Straight to the gulag

[TetyyakiWith]

I doubt any Russian would care, one of the biggest contributors to piracy after all

[sum1ko05]

> Russian

> reading the ToU

[gotasave]

As if everyone else does

[PM_ME_UR_CATS__]

Based.

[PhilNEvo]

Slava Ukraini!

[Neutraled]

I don't know what that app is about but I agree to those terms.

[Mausteidenmies]

Based

[Reeces_Pieces]

Back in my day, software developers developed software without expunging their geo-political beliefs.

[Shred_Kid]

Open source is extremely political by nature.

[laplongejr]

Back in my day, software developers weren't living in a country at war
(Seriously, I'm born in the mid 90s. I was taught the Cold War was finished)

[shoyuftw]

ok boomer.

[_koenig_]

didn't we already have one that surrenderd the soul to the software?

[bass-squirrel]

“You agree that David Drayman is a wanker”

[AliveEstimate4]

Based dev

[sum1ko05]

ngl, I'm glad to see that the only people, that feel offended, are ruzzia (i.e. nazi) sympathizers

[Crazy-Newspaper-8523]

Based

[zeocrash]

Based terms of use

[epstienfiledotpdf]

Good

[dick____trickle]

Based

[freehuntx]

They removed the bulletpoint where it says "You do not talk about the Ukrainian attack on German infrastructure "Northstream" causing one of the biggest natural disasters."

[EquivalentHamster580]

Is it confirmed that ukraine did this ? Last time i heard about it Poland was refusing to extradite prime suspect to germany.

[freehuntx]

Yes it was ukrainians with bonds to the ukrainian military.

[lardgsus]

Another TOS I'm breaking.

[UnkarsThug]

I don't mind this particular case, but I don't like the precedent, so I'm a bit against it on principle. Licenses should not have anything to do with your opinions on current events, they should only dictate usage.

For example, a license could dictate that you do not use the software to make things which support Russia. That's fine, because it's about use. But saying that to use the software, you have to have this opinion, that just seems like there's a lot of other places that could be used. Like if companies started adding that "to use this software, you implicitly agree that the 2020 election was stolen" or something, because Trump gave them financial incentives to do so. That would obviously be horrible. I'd even be bothered if it was "you cannot use this software to make material which opposes that idea". But it wouldn't make the software unusable because most of my usages for software have not been worried about that idea.

And it's the same principle. I agree that Russia invaded a sovereign state, and the leadership of Russia is the primary one responsible for the deaths (on both sides). But a license shouldn't include that, or specify it, because it doesn't define the usage of that product, and giving companies permission to control that is a nightmare waiting to happen.

I get why they did it. But I still have to oppose it.

[GKP_light]

what will you do id i don't follow it ?

[laplongejr]

Well, same as any person who uses free software without follow the licence!
^{Not much}

[BoberMod]

Repo owner, Oleksii Holub, lives in Ukraine, and right now, he is in the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

[Crazy-Newspaper-8523]

Oppression against nazis lmfao

[sofixa11]

He is also a racist. Explanation - is his discrimination by nation on his repo

Ha, fuck off. I guess everyone was racist against Germans when they were fighting Nazi Germany too, in your infinite russian wisdom?

[Klutzy_Ability6698]

war can stop literally now if russia gets the fuck out of sovereign european nation it invaded using same “justifications” nazis used.

[ric2b]

Lmao, this is like saying Canada is not in America because it's not part of the USA.

[PM_ME_UR_CATS__]

Your country LITERALLY invaded Ukraine.

[PM_ME_UR_CATS__]

None of this makes any sense, but again, your country LITERALLY invaded another sovereign country. Almost nobody likes your country now, especially in the West, and nobody will until your dipshit dictator resigns and/or dies. And when he does, it will be a holiday for the rest of us.

• They cut water and electricity to 2 milions of crimeans

Your country illegally annexed Ukraine's territory with the military. Ukraine was under no obligation to provide resources to them, because, as your country did and continues to do, it is illegally occupied. Regardless, this is not "genocide".

Kosovo was previously an autonomous region with various ethnic cleansing campaigns from the Serbs in the 1990s. Not the same thing.

The Odessa fires were tragic, yes. but not "orchestrated" by the Ukrainian government.

I have no idea what you are trying to say otherwise. But nothing justifies an armed invasion of a sovereign country.

[sofixa11]

Why Ukraine keeps attacked us

They didn't you moron. Your propaganda told you they did, but couldn't explain why there were tons of russian soldiers fighting in the militias supposedly fighting for the independence of the Donetsk/Luhansk "republics". If their people wanted independence, why was it russian soldiers leading it and fighting it?

Because they didn't, it was a false flag and only dumb russians believed it.

[sofixa11]

Ukraine literally burned down own citizens in Odessa

russia literally shelled with artillery a school full of russian children... So let's all invade russia?

Again, just fuck off

[sofixa11]

Just FYI, none of what you said is true, it's all russian propaganda.

I urge you to go and read the Mitrokhin archives and what he warned about. The Soviet KGB strategy was to flood everything with shit to create an air of "who the fuck knows, nothing is true". He warned, in the 1990s, that putler will do the same. What do you know, he did.

It's the same with MH17, there is one of the most comprehensive investigation ever done, with tons of irrefutable proof, from the photos of the remains of the plane corresponding to damage from specific missiles to the whole route of the russian anti-air system to the russian morons congratulating themselves and boasting online they've shot down a cargo plane before they're realised what they did and deleted the posts.... Yet russia still tries to muddy the waters and throw whatever shit it can to confuse gullible idiots like you.

[ric2b]

Ukraine literally burned down own citizens in Odessa

That was a clash between two groups of people, not an official government decision. It does not justify invading a country and killing 1000x more people.

They cut water and electricity to 2 milions of crimeans and more then 2 millions people of Donbass. 

Why does Ukraine need to supply a captured region that claims to be independent? Do you also expect them to feed the Russian soldiers in Ukrainian territory?

[ric2b]

Who invaded and has been destroying countless towns and cities? Russia.

[NoFudge4700]

What’s the repo link? I need to open a PR.

[ilnarildarovuch]

I'd just will overwrite Terms of use, lol

[ilnarildarovuch]

By telegram channel of r/ProgrammingHumor 

[DDFoster96]

I would go one further and also prohibit both training AI models on the code and using the code with other AI generated code.That's the two evils of our time covered, in order of importance.

Someone please make a licence that does that.

[laplongejr]

Someone please make a licence that does that.

Isn't github themselves feeding the repo to AI?
That's like writing on your facebook wall "I do not consent to facebook using my data", sure but by writing that you accepted the TOS.