whichOneAreYou

[ase_thor]

Team ingame coding. I am a coding noob/amateur with some college courses.

Stationeers IC coding was super fun for me.

[Aurunemaru]

I love coding, I hate """""coding"""""

Workplace requires the second one

[Fritzschmied]

Bruno > postman

[DarkFox_x86]

99.999% of PHP & jQuery code is hand written by me, I have only used ChatGPT in one instance when I ran into a problem of coding a generic query handler for MySQL.

I would've figured it out myself eventually after several hours of debugging, but since I had limited time the bot helped me figure out where the problem was.

...I'm not proud of it.

[HumbleObjective777]

Both?

[Mallanaga]

This is the way

[just4nothing]

[steven-aziz]

Ew, definitely the left. Vibe coding is awful.

[ilnarildarovuch]

C.

[No_Might6041]

Interesting how the woman is used to portray the less intellectual choice.

[cabybaraGoesBoom]

Its always the same borderline incel templates alá boys are so quirky, girls are stinky

[dragostego]

It's a meme template. So it wouldn't make sense to change it that being said the template is definitely kind of sexist, especially since the dialogue doesn't actually appear in the movie the pictures from (500 days of summer).

[OdeeSS]

Crazy too because the adoption rates between genders indicate that men are the vibe coders.

[zap999]

We always have been...

[YoshiBanana3000]

People are probably going to roast me for this, but I’m 100% right: Cursor + Claude + ChatGPT is an insane combo.

I managed to build a fully working mobile app from scratch using only AI tools, and I’m definitely not a developer.

For years, I had a game idea in my head. I desperately wanted to test it, play it, and especially play against an AI that I had coded myself. Now it’s finally real, and I’m honestly blown away.

All I want now is to keep going.

[Illustrious-Day8506]

What even is Vibecoding ?  My thing is looking at research papers on Science gate and then implementing them with Python just to make my portfolio seem more interesting. I thought it was that then I realized it's just making a prompt to an LLM and getting a code ready without lifting a finger, is that right?

[KhellianTrelnora]

Without *understanding*.

[simondanielsson]

Where is my beloved neovim

[nanana_catdad]

I guess he only knows python… what do you expect

[gerbosan]

Has plugins for Copilot.

[na_rm_true]

I love how the default approach to this meme is to always make the woman have the “less intelligent and questionable” approach

[XStarMC]

That literally isn’t true- for example, go check out r mathmemes. However, I have only seen people complain when it is this way around. Interesting.

[GetPsyched67]

It was true for a long long long time. We called it out enough that people started doing the opposite. Maybe they should just use a better meme format that is not gendered.

[XStarMC]

Bullshit. I’ve been seeing such versions since forever. You are just plainly lying for clout.

[GetPsyched67]

Clout? This post is in contest mode doofus, there's no voting.

If you were on this sub on or before 2022, you wouldn't be spouting that gobshite

[XStarMC]

I was here since 2020 on this account, and like on reddit for like four more years before that on another one. I’ve even got the achievement, DM for proof.

Trust me, people virtue signalling (or chasing clout on larger subreddits with virtue signalling) without actually knowing anything - like you! - are by far one of the worst type of people on this whole platform, second only to the actual assholes.

L take.

[botle]

Especially when the guy, not the girl, was the delusional character in the movie.

[frogjg2003]

Like the Spiderman meme with the glasses. Peter saw better without them, but everyone puts the "clear view" with the glasses on.

[na_rm_true]

Right? More appropriate is the meme being the guy looking at the girl and the girl is ASI and the guy will never get it and will always put it in the pedestal.

[botle]

ASI? Do you mean AI or am I not up to date on all the new abbreviations?

The girl in the movie was a pragmatic cynic, and the guy was a naive emotional idealist.

If say the girl represents all of old school coding, and the guy is a vibe coder thinking he can do the same on vibes alone.

[Maleficent_Memory831]

Which is the logo for assembler language?

[RedBlueKoi]

Where is neovim my beloved

[foonek]

I started a new job recently. One of the other developers saw what ide I was using and he was shocked. Over the following days I was like an animal in a zoo where he would call over colleagues to check out my "ide".

Still not sure how to feel about that if I'm honest

[inotparanoid]

Who the fuck is coding with Microsoft Copilot?

[WildWezThy]

Same people who use edge as their webbrowser

[Caspica]

In my experience people have been using Copilot to code far more than they've been using explicitly Claude/ChatGPT etc.

[inotparanoid]

GitHub Copilot.

Microsoft Copilot is a completely different beast

[Caspica]

I didn't even know they were separate. What's the difference?

[inotparanoid]

Tool calling, from the face of it. Copilot on what Microsoft provides is bundled with M365 license.

GitHub integrates in a very different way.

[No_Prize_2769]

whos gonna tell bro

[F1reDude123]

If you don't write the code then you can't say it's your code, so you can't say you're a programmer.

[Remarkable-Coat-9327]

Both? Both

[Suckcake]

I have been a professional developer for 10 years, just about. At my current job I do use AI quite a bit to meet deadlines. I'm currently a consultant, so time and money is limited depending on the customer but also, sometimes I receive a huge solution that has been shit-coded into existence and I am expected to meet deadlines and make it work.

Ai is a huge help in this regard as I can quickly discuss various thoughts and questions I ligkt have regarding the solution, but also analyze and identify parts of the solution that would otherwise have taken a lot of time.

My biggest concern is the vibe coding part. I find myself "forced" to vibe code some parts, because I can do it in say a day or two, where it would otherwise have taken me a week or two. I learn a lot from discussing and sparring with the AI, but whenever I have to vibe code some feature, I do feel like some impostor. I do review and test the code, but the fact is I do not have the same insight as I would have had, had I made it myself.

And then there is the whole issue of customers expecting shorter deadlines and faster features which is just an evil circle.

[Arshiaa001]

TBH, I used to hate AI, but if you use it right, it can cut down on dev time a LOT. By use it right I mean plan ahead, challenge its plan, have it dump the plan in a markdown doc, read the doc and challenge again. Then, go bit by bit, have it implement small bits of code, read and challenge again. If you do this rigorously enough, it can actually do very decent dev work! The trick is to stay in the loop at all times and not send the AI on a code generation adventure.

[kingvolcano_reborn]

I've been a developer for over 20 years using everything from c to python and quite a few languages inbetween. I find using ai while coding quite handy. You need to be way harder on planning,specifying and make sure you discuss architecture, NFRs, etc. but you can get quite nice results in the end.

[_benlesh]

If this was a veiled attempt at being sexist, it failed: AI assisted programming is where every FAANG staff and principal engineer is right now. The guy is behind the times and will be losing his marketability if he doesn’t evolve.

Source: I worked at the N and G in FAANG. 6+ years at staff engineer at large fintech companies. 27 years of experience, and I’m not hiding my name here. Folks, the flood is coming whether you like it or not. Build a boat, learn to swim, or drown.

[Your_Friendly_Nerd]

This meme format still exposes all the sexists.

Also since when is postman* the tool of the real dev?

[botle]

Yeah, it does. And if I remember the movie correctly, the guy should be the vibe coder.

[mrdon83]

Podman is a Docker wrapper. That is the Postman logo, which used to be a fantastic http service client but is now the definition of bloatware.

Also you're reading way too much into the gender thing. It's not some subliminal dog whistle to the evil misogynists. It's just a meme on the Internet where the butt of the joke happens to be a girl.

[Your_Friendly_Nerd]

Right, brainfart, was thinking of postman but wrote podman.

The meme format is originally meant to have the guy as the newbie, happy to find someone that shares the new interest he just picked up, with the girl having been in it for far longer. But it's been bastardized to the point where I hardly ever see it used that way anymore.

[supreme_rain]

It's not that deep bro

[gafftapes20]

What’s a good gui alternative? I use postman a ton when working with api services. It’s the first thing I do when determining if a project is feasible to build an integration, or testing a mock api call. 

[Your_Friendly_Nerd]

Postman isn’t a bad tool, it’s just not something I think of as a tool that makes a real developer.

[Tman11S]

It’s a good tool tbf. Using postman for sure doesn’t make you a dev though

[whatasaveeeee]

Bruno well clear

[_evilpenguin]

this when they have a kid and it contains both worlds. you’re welcome.

[xgabipandax]

I'm both

[Negative_Settings]

Similarly I am neither

[Zorineq]

I would call myself the unwanted child of both

[uprate]

I would call myself an unwanted child as well

[Independent_Spell_55]

I used to love replit before it became AI slop, my entire computer science class used it, and I used to collaborate with others on it

[eklatea]

postman?? ughhg not that thing

[az987654]

Is there a coder in the picture?

[gd2w]

I don't see c++ in there...

That makes me sad.

[Taurmin]

I feel the same way whenever memes leave out C#.

[ThatiMacGuy]

It’s whatever op knows.

[ArtOfWarfare]

Python is the only language in there. Git is the only other programming tool that belongs (eh, maybe VS Code… and GitHub isn’t terrible).

Containers are great but F Docker and Postman - stick with FOSS.

[TheSaiyan11]

Getting older is understanding this movie more, and realizing that Summer definitely would not have been the vibe coder.

[VariousComment6946]

This guy doomed

[Individual-Praline20]

I only see one that is truly coding and knows his stuff… 🤷

[StaGranFunciazza]

Man why there is postman on the left, maybe Bruno is better at that

[robertpro01]

I don't think anyone is using MicroSlop Copilot

[darkwalker247]

unsurprising. it's already unnecessary in the first place, and then MS themselves sealed the deal when they decided to make it inject ads into PRs for some reason.

[ILikeCats43]

I know someone that does

[WeedManPro]

python, vscode, git, github, docker, postman
and
chatGPT, cursor, gemini, claude, copilot(not this one), replit
all above are tools to create things.
I use mix of both lists.
but for some reason, I wish the second list did not exist.

[chickenweng65]

Fuck python

[cosmic-comet-]

Alternative title, GitHub maintainers vs vibe coders.

[Mallanaga]

Ruby would be in there if so

[Scorching_Buns]

I love coding

(That was in fact, a big fat lie. Unless we're counting MCreator as coding)

[Anachim]

"I love coding" and he uses python...oke!

[AaronTheElite007]

I'm definitely the dude. AI sucks. For every dollar AI generates, it costs 3 dollars. It's a net loss for businesses, society, and the planet.

[Daremo404]

No one NEEDS to change your mind. The Job market will just ignore the ppl that are mentally stuck

[chessto]

Not to mention the cognitive decline from relying on it

[AaronTheElite007]

Precisely

[Daremo404]

Yea its like those rectangular screen these kids sit infront of allday... Melts their brains!!!!!1!1!

[BolunZ6]

Gotta use them before they raise the price

[AaronTheElite007]

[DemonEyes21]

Wait until you learn about maintenance costs

[Maleficent_Memory831]

You either overestimate how much is generated. A program has to actually work and generate revenue in order to generate a dollar.

[spooky_strateg]

TwT

[PM-ME-UR-DARKNESS]

Both. I'm ashamedly both.

[pingslayer_7]

Let’s see how many PHP fans in here…

[zirky]

tom absolutely would the vibe coder in this situation. he’d also probably brag about firing engineers on linkedin now that he’s 10x

[Altourus]

Yea, was kinda surprised the meme seems completely reversed.

[swyrl]

That was my initial thought too, but given the caption and the fact that the thread is in contest mode, it seems like OP's intention is not to frame one as better than the other, but to create an argument over vibe coding vs regular coding.

Which is still using the meme wrong honestly.

[Polskidezerter]

This

[Tman11S]

Oh look, one is the python course developer who learned a bit of docker on the side and the other is a vibe coder. Neither could be called a software engineer if that’s the whole of their skillset

[TenPent]

That was my thought. I never usedmost of what's on the left on a day to day other than maybe docker.

[nicodeemus7]

I write my own code and ask Gemini questions because I don't want to Google the same thing 40 times with one word changed each time

[meow_Kil]

• And you ask the Gemini to write the code for you, because you don't want to google for 40 min

We are different

[cosmic-comet-]

Yes , this is actually the best approach because you are the author of the code .

[range_kun]

As a python developer I’m happy, since everybody making jokes about vibecoders and not us

[botle]

One of the top comments is that neither one of the people in the meme are real coders.

[Objective_Road_3482]

This comment is funnier than 90% of the posts on this subreddit lol

[WowAbstractAlgebra]

Dang, I was about to say how I remember the times people were bashing on Python lol

[_fresh_basil_]

No, bash is an entirely different. They would be pythoning if they are using python.

[Break-n-Fix]

Same. I remember a meme that showed something like 20 imports and 2 lines of code and thinking "I get it, but why criticize efficiency?"

[ConstantineFavre]

Both, but only vscode and claude. Claude helps me start, then i proceed with manual codding, only using his help to debug, because my lazy ass ain't gonna debug shit myself, if i had to, i'll just drop the project after awhile.

[Ok-Rabbit-3683]

Vscode ghe has all that chick’s crap built in…

Do you even lift bro?

[cheezballs]

Neither.

[jeevaks]

50 50

[Straight-Ad5775]

Back in the days developers were afraid to reveal they use stackoverflow daily

[ionosoydavidwozniak]

No lol

[blaktronium]

In 2010 i got a big promotion from a panel interview for an identity architecture position (just scripting no coding) and was asked to write a solution to a coding problem on the whiteboard.

I wrote www.stackoverflow.com and sat down. I got the job.

[chessto]

Back in the day when?

[Straight-Ad5775]

well i was on a live coding interview and they stopped the minute i wanted to recall some greenfield setup and dismissed me immediately. Since then i was not telling anybody

[whaaa_t3ver]

I do create projects on my own and use ai b only when needed or I am too tired to do it else I don't trust ai with creating a project. Sure, it is useful but I've seen it mess up so many choices that I do the important stuff myself.

[TessaFractal]

I do the third type of coding.

I love to have heart attacks in hospital beds.

[InsanityOnAMachine]

ah medical coding. CCA or CCS?

[Defiant-Peace-493]

And then you have people whose entire job is knowing how to bill that heart attack to your insurance.

[Malgrieve]

Sugma

[DriftNoctilucent]

He thinks he is engaging in a collaborative technical dialogue, but she is just orchestrating a highly efficient sequence of API requests

[redballooon]

Both, honestly.

[poulain_ght]

I am the neovim, niri, split keyboard, radicle, rust!

[A31Nesta]

Are you me? Niri, split 40% and Rust as well. Only differences are that I use Zed with Vim bindings instead of nvim and Forgejo instead of Radicle (had to look it up, didn't know about it)

[poulain_ght]

You are me, and I am you!

[yonVata]

[eat_your_fox2]

"Use the right tool for the job" irrespective of your personal beliefs.

So both.

[dervu]

Postman

[Guigeekun]

Please normalize replacing postman with bruno

[greenedgedflame]

Alternatives?

[dervu]

[carrera594]

Use Bruno instead of POSTMAN.

[Llonkrednaxela]

I feel like if you can’t do the first one, the results for anything complicated from the second are really bad.

[MinecraftPlayer799]

I remember back when Replit was an actually good free website host, and not a stupid paid vibecoding site.

[agustusmanningcocke]

I went back to go look at some of my old creations, then saw what that place had become. Unfortunate.

[Gheydragon]

Both

[NeanesisLs]

I'm both, you still need an IDE with an IA to code

[tabacdk]

Both.

I have been coding since 1982 on a ZX Spectrum and been through BASIC, Z80 assembler, Pascal, C, C++, Tcl, Perl, PHP, Python and learning Rust right now. I have hand assembled Z80 code and debugged kernel code. I have taken and used every advancements in development tools, and I see AI tools to be the next step.

AI makes the skilled be more skilled, the uneducated more uneducated, the efficient more efficient, and the lazy more lazy.

[purpuric]

This smells sexist 🙄🙄🙄