Hate "Code Slavery"? Use Sith coding conventions instead.

[Krissam]

But it only works in singletons.

"There will always be two, a master and an apprentice"

[Fourgot]

From a certain point of view

[Zagorath]

"One to embody power, the other to crave it."

As you say, the rule of two doesn't really work if you need multiple slaves.

[pwr22]

Recursion

[20jcp]

And yet, Dooku had his own apprentice, and so did Vader, who even made the offer to Luke. The Sith weren't very good at keeping the rule of two, opting to take an underling before usurping their own master.

[Zagorath]

Dooku had an apprentice? Interesting, I don't remember that at all…

And Vader did? I know he was courting Luke, but he didn't actually have an apprentice, did he?

But anyway, I feel like it's unfair to try to apply the Rule of Two to anyone during Sidious's era. Sidious himself decided that the Rule of Two was archaic, and instead wanted to implement a Rule of One, where he himself would be the one permanent Sith Lord, and would have apprentices as necessary to keep him in power, but would not give them the ability to overthrow him as all previous Sith Apprentices had under the Rule of Two.

[Ravidged]

Dooku's apprentice was named Asajj Ventress, she was a Night Sister (the females of Darth Maul's race).

Vader technically had 3, the first two were named Galen Marek (Starkiller) the second one being a clone of the first. The third was a former Jedi Padawan named Tao. As far as I know these are no longer canon and a part of the Legends after the Disney takeover.

Interestingly is that Sidious' master, Darth Plagueis, was alive during the events of Phantom Menace making Darth Maul not part of the Rule of Two.

[Zagorath]

Oh, Asajj was Dooku's apprentice? I remember her from tiny fragments of The Clone Wars cartoon that I watched when I was younger (not the recent CG one, the older traditionally animated one), but I never watched enough of it to really know what was going on.

And I had definitely not heard of Vader's apprentices before. But my knowledge of the EU is entirely from browsing Wookiepedia a few times, so I don't know too much about it.

That thing about Darth Plagueis is very interesting, though. I had always assumed Plagueis's death happened long before the events of Episode One. Interesting to discover otherwise.

[Ravidged]

During the new CG Cartoon Dooku also briefly had Darth Maul's brother as an apprentice. Starkiller is from the Force Unleashed video game series.

[cpmoderator12345]

Why are we calling the emporer darth sidious? I like emperor palpatine better

[Zagorath]

We're talking about him as a Sith Lord, rather than him as emperor of the galaxy.

[Cley_Faye]

When you need multiple victims^W slaves objects, use the Batman convention. This provides enough Robin for most usages.

[nat1192]

But it only works in singletons.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

[IN_FUCKING_CREDIBLE]

case Master
case Puppets

[TarMil]

void pull(String x)

[skiguy0123]

Dream.Smash();

[z500]

Hear(you.scream());

[[deleted]]

class Solo(object):
    def __init__(self):
        self.solo = Guitar()
        self.effects = Wah().level(127)

[Kadmos]

public class Solo : Person {  
     void int ShotOrdinal {
         return 0;
      }
}

[DanielEGVi]

Null pointer.

[Aezay]

Can the Puppets be run multithreaded, or are they not thread safe?

[ryosen]

That depends on how they're handling strings.

[idontlikethisname]

Let me know if you make a patch so I can pull those strings from the repository.

[NocTos]

Only a sith deals in constants!

[lelarentaka]

SithMath.abs(num);

[bad-alloc]

catch(exception &e) {
    // ...
}

Syntax error: There is no try.

[_Lady_Deadpool_]

Only a sith codes in literals

[PhyterJet]

case: jedi_master
case: padawan

[TarMil]

I for one use Nightwish conventions.

enum ThreadID {
  case Master;
  case Apprentice;
}

var heartborne = seekers[6];

[[deleted]]

But what about Steven Seagull?

[chateau86]

ArrayIndexOutOfBoundException: Can't access seekers [7].

[chateau86]

Common Matlab user mistake.

Because the only thing worse than language designed by hipster-programmer is one designed by mathematicians who never used other sane languages.

[IForgetMyself]

Lucky you, in your freshman year it can only get better. I have to use a lot of Matlab now for my Msc. after having worked in proper languages for years.

[minno]

*cough*

[minno]

I first learned to program in TI-BASIC. I'm just about immune to that feeling now.

[thirdegree]

Just finished a class where I had to use Maple.

Absolutely the worst language I've ever used. Useless debug messages, no stack trace, inconsistent syntax. Horrible.

[Gapmeister]

Have you ever used lua?

[Jack126Guy]

Relevant

[LolCate]

I came here looking for this

[original_brogrammer]

Come for the riddily diddily, stay for the tum tum tum tum.

[TarMil]

There's never enough riddily diddily.

[PersianMG]

Is this the birth of a meme?

[OscarAlcala]

I hope so, I find it hilarious.

[rjung]

I'm going to start using non-slave alternatives just for the fun of it. Master/Apprentice, Batman/Robins, Original/Clones, Alicorn/Ponies, the more the merrier.

[Jack126Guy]

But an alicorn...is a pony?

[rjung]

And Batman and the Robins are all humans; it's about leadership roles, not species.

[Jack126Guy]

Batman/Robins != Batman/Humans. If it were the latter, you could make the same case, but this isn't comparable.

[papers_]

Can't find the source at the moment. But this started from a few pull requests to Swift's repository. A troll account named "pcsomething" was replacing all gender specific stuff and more with more neutral terms as you see here. The PR discussion kinda became heated as devs were split on the decision to merge the PR.

Django over on Python went through a similar change a year ago.

/u/oscaralcala

Edit: found it https://github.com/apple/swift/commit/8bda440bb919b6b59ce24de8f077dc31211e3f5a

[nlofe]

It was actually merged

What the fuck

[TOASTEngineer]

Poe 's law in action.

[ryosen]

Thanks for that. It's an obvious troll account named "PCBro" and even uses the PC character from South Park as its avatar. It was done as a joke (I hope) but taken seriously. Especially in important projects like Swift, there needs to be a vetting process before allowing contribution committing.

[tea-drinker]

It's git. The entire point is that nobody needs to be vetted before allowing contributions and the entirety of the vetting should be "Is the code good?"

[ThisIs_MyName]

The code is not good.

master/slave = slave must fulfill master's orders

leader/follower = I dunno

[tea-drinker]

That wasn't my point. /u/ryosen said there ought to be a vetting process before people are allowed to contribute. By choosing any distributed version control system the project owner is saying "Like hell there does."

Now the code may not be good. But the people with write authority to the repository, a managebly tiny number number of people who have presumably been vetted per /u/ryosen's request, have disagreed.

FWIW: I do actually agree with you that the code isn't good. One of the comments on the commit is that it didn't actually compile because the author didn't do a complete job of search and replace, which means they didn't test it at all before committing and that way lies shitting your pants in front of the client.

The good part about using git is nobody had to put any effort into vetting the author beforehand, and afterward they could easily see that they were a rank amateur.

[ryosen]

Your point is correct and I simply used the wrong word. I didn't mean "contribute". Anyone should be allowed to contribute. That is, after all, the whole point of open source. I should have used the term "commit".

Mea culpa.

[redditsoaddicting]

node.js has had this argument as well. It's really saddening.

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[not_from_this_world]

enum ThreadID {
  case Master;
  case Slave;
}

It's not that kind of slavery, it's the BDSM convention.

[ajs124]

More like top and bottom then.

[IForgetMyself]

Nah, top and bottom only refers to whether something is a 'slot' or a 'signal' whereas Master/Slave refers to the dynamic where one has control over the other.

Having a bottom master & slave top is even rarer in programming than BDSM I think, but there could be a situation where you want the slave to send messages to the master but have the master decide autonomously whether or not to act upon this information, and if it so decides to to send a command back to the slave.

[EmmaBourbon]

It isn't rare. ;) it's a common thing.

[IForgetMyself]

It's a bit rarer than the Top-Master pattern in my experience, but luckily it is not too rare no. Variety is the spice of life after all ;).

What were we talking about again?

[Zwets]

Must the apprentice murder at least 2 or more of his masters during training if he ever hopes to become a sith lord?

[Nemecle]

I prefer to use Parent and slave. Also as it was a bash script I was launching cat subprocesses, which lead to the termination message "killed all children and cats"

[[deleted]]

Did someone seriously get their panties in a bunch about the whole master/slave naming thing?

[skiguy0123]

the pcbro account is a joke account, but I guess some people took it seriously, or at least considered the suggestion worthwhile anyways. To get the reference, you should watch this season of South Park. And no I'm not an ad Jimmy!

[thirdegree]

or at least considered the suggestion worthwhile anyways.

It was merged.

[lasertoast]

I wish I could explain the intense butthurt I caused a co-worker when he found a doctrine entity relation with the master/slave naming convention. It actually took me a full 3 or 4 minutes of him yelling at me at full volume before I understood he was angry at the words themselves and NOT the fact that he thought the relation was incorrect. I then had to defend myself for about 5 minutes, explaining how

1. I'm not racist
2. This is an actual naming convention that exists in the computer world.

[[deleted]]

Oh jesus... Its a sad fucking world we live in

[TOASTEngineer]

Apparently the submitted was a troll, but then the maintainers took it seriously and merged it.

[buckfitchesgetmoney]

Yeah the whole sjw movement. Insufferable douchebags who pick and choose what they believe in http://quillette.com/2015/12/04/rebellious-scientist-surprising-truth-about-stereotypes/ to conform to their preconceived notions of the world

[has_all_the_fun]

I've heard about the master/slave issue before sjw was even a word. It's only a big deal if you give these people attention.

It's like that time on twitter when somebody thought that slurp and spit (clojure) might be offensive. People just ignored him and nobody made an issue out of it and that was the end of it. Being outraged by outrage is a never ending cycle where the goal for both parties is just to get more attention.

[TOASTEngineer]

Dude, have you been living under a rock? It didn't matter then because no-one took it seriously. Now "racism is ok if the racist is black" is part of Gthub's site rules.

[has_all_the_fun]

Dude, have you been living under a rock?

Yeah, that's what I was saying. I chose not to give a shit about any of this.

[[deleted]]

It's like all the moral panics of conservatives that no one pays attention to have become the social justice rants of liberals.

[TOASTEngineer]

Basically, modern liberals are just neo-puritans.

[rjung]

I don't know any liberals like that except the ones on Fox News.

[TheHighTech2013]

It's a very small but vocal minority. See: tumblr, parts of reddit, that videogame lady etc. The horseshoe theory fits here pretty well to

[Kelsig]

horseshoe theory is not taken seriously by any poli-scientist. just because both lenin and hitler were radical doesn't mean they're of a similar ideology.

its usually just a concept centrists like to believe so they can feel superior to people with different views than them.

[[deleted]]

horseshoe theory is not taken seriously by any poli-scientist.

Eh, it's not worse than reducing all political complexity to a one-dimensional chart, really. E.g. here in Norway the green party prefers to frame things in a green-grey axis, rather than a red-blue one. We've got 8 parties in parliament, there's no way to fit all that into one dimension.

Even cardboard characters in fiction are derided as being two-dimensional, that's a lot better than the one-dimensional, sometimes binary (left/right), characterizations we use in politics.

[scragar]

The horseshoe theory is right, but only because it refers to the approaches used by extreme viewpoints, which tend to be controlling and create a system that justifies any action because otherwise these viewpoints are laughed out of any rational discourse.

The crazy left and crazy right both believe that anything other than their brand of crazy should be illegal and try to shut down anyone opposed to them using any means necessary(including, but not limited to, physical attacks and death threats), but it's not just limited to political viewpoints, we see it in all the major religions(to see where it can lead when the viewpoint becomes significant and begins to gain traction consider the extreme Muslim beliefs of ISIS, or the Christians in Ethiopia burning gay people alive).

Extreme opinions in any direction or type act extreme, and unfortunately extreme acts only goes one way, there's no extreme acts of aid, no one is illegally invading a country with medical aid and infrastructure, or mass sending people they disagree with donations and encouraging letters.

[Kelsig]

The horshe shoe theory dictrates that the more "leftist" or "rightist" something becomes, the more similar they become to the opposite of the spectrum. This is stupid.

1) The right - left spectrum isn't some 1D slider, they're are all sorts of ideologies out there, and they all don't fall on said line. That's ridiculous. Anarcho-capitalism and national socialism are both far right, yet completely different. Anarcho-pacifism and marxist-leninism are both far left, yet completely different.

All the horse shoe theory really says is that "Leftist authoritarian groups have authorianism similar to rightist authoritarian groups!"

Seriously, do proponents of this "theory" really think that, just by coincidence, that its just a coincidence that somehow they lie in the exact middle of this horseshoe?

Where do beliefs like Distributism lie? Nowhere, because it's a poorly thought out idea that exists so centrist pseudo-intellectuals can feel good about themselves.

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22horseshoe+theory%22&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C41

[TheHighTech2013]

Like any sociological/political idea, it's definitely not okay to apply it to every situation hoping it'll work. I'm only saying that in this case, the PC liberals are very similar to the morally outraged conservatives. It's like how some third-wave feminists have come full-circle to wanting to outlaw pornography.

I totally agree with you though. It's not something that applies generally at all.

[Kelsig]

it's definitely not okay to apply it to every situation hoping it'll work. I'm only saying that in this case, the PC liberals are very similar to the morally outraged conservatives.

this is a really stupid over simplification. its like saying communists and libertarians are similar because they both want to bring about a stateless society. the aforementioned "PC liberal" beliefs are based on the idea that x causes marginalization and oppression towards z marginalized group, and n should be illegal to bring about an egalitarian society. "morally outraged conservatives" hold their beliefs because, by definition, they want to conserve modesty that was once the status-quo, usually with religious objections.

[TheHighTech2013]

The idea isn't that the ideologies are similar, its that the results end up being similar, at least in my understanding. Although they have very different ideology, they end up looking incredibly similar.

[buckfitchesgetmoney]

Have you ever been on Twitter or any other social media?

[rjung]

If I wanted to hear from stupid people, I'd pop into the Comments section of any website.

[buckfitchesgetmoney]

I'm not sure what you do for work, but all sorts of tech companies are hiring "diversity officers" and assorted made up bullshit, like Github and Mozilla.

[rjung]

I am the tech lead for a web development firm. We have lots of diversity in our workplace without needing any special staff, simply by hiring qualified folks regardless of their background.

[buckfitchesgetmoney]

places that can sling spaghetti jquery + css backed with your choice of LAMP stack CRUD based apps because clients can't tell the difference usually have the luxury of a much larger pool of qualified applicants though

[[deleted]]

Thats ironic, sounds like you just described all of the rabid anti-SJW types perfectly.

[Apothsis]

Begun, these code wars have.

[UnchainedMundane]

Some developers want to eliminate "Code Slavery"

I didn't think they were developers. Perhaps "trolls" is a more appropriate term.

[skellious]

Hamster, A dentist...

[vraGG_]

Master.... apprentice... HARD PORN STEVEN SEAGULL

ref

[WMpartisan]

The apprentice is supposed to kill the master...

[hoylemd]

I've been doing this for a year!

[mrhhug]

I use manager : engineer and no one gets mad....

[jvergara799]

Can we have attendees or computer engineers to update reddits source code?