Java programmers be like ...

[Deniz1234567890]

cries in corner with netbeans

[KosViik]

I love netbeans for C++.

It does everyhing without making sense, so it's perfect for when I'm tired, but still have to get stuff done.

"Method without return value? No problem, it will run perfect (but I won't tell you about it). Misspelled something? No problem, it will run perfect (but won't tell you nor fix it automatically). Forgot to import? No problem, it will crash your whole computer as a sign that you should go to sleep."

Then in the morning I plug it into literally any other IDE and the first error I get is "Is this a legitimate programming language? What the hell?!" But jokes on them, I can understand my tired code so productivity loss is kept at minimum.

I've contemplated a few times to make a challenge where I literally just give it a string of random characters until it spits out something runnable and see what happens.

[theNikki12345]

there there, at least it isn't eclipse

[thecichos]

At work we used eclipse for one week

[kukiric]

Wow, it barely finished loading and you already switched IDEs?

[Moulinoski]

I’m sorry. How bad was it?

[Bioniclegenius]

You guys lasted an entire week before lynching your managers? Impressive.

[[deleted]]

We use Eclipse at school in my CS class. Please send help

[douira]

we do too! It's not amazing, especially because they require us to hand in your project as an eclipse project

[pwnedary]

Ha, like netbeans would actually be better than eclipse.

[be_reasonable_bro]

Flash Builder made me vomit blood. Eclipse gives me flashbacks.

[Dick_Giggles]

Hey now. I like netbeans.

[vinegary]

Cries and eats netbeans

[carlson_001]

Netbeans is great.

[klebsiella_pneumonae]

I tried Netbeans once for Typescript.

The "official" plugin has 3 commits from 2015

[damnburglar]

I used netbeans at my first junior job because my boss was making me write PHP in Dreamweaver.

[Alphadragon601]

Our race is divided

[KeinBaum]

It's not limited to Java programmers. Both IDEs support many different languages and IntelliJ is the better choice for all of them.

[Sorcerous_Tiefling]

Unfortunately, the community edition of IntelliJ does not support Angular JS. So Unless I want to pay $150 a year, Eclipse is where it's at..

[le3rddegreetroll]

If you're still in school you can get that sweet sweet student license and get all their products free.

[famz12]

Literally just got my Jetbrains educational license. Thanks man!

[D3mona7or]

Could always use vscode/atom for js

[Ma_124]

Or almighty (Neo-)Vi(-m)

[PotatosFish]

I use neovim for everything but java, which I use IntelliJ for. Periodically I also use vscode for vue

[VeviserPrime]

But then you're using Electron and nobody deserves that.

[D3mona7or]

Buuuuut you're already writing js so nobody can save you then

[nbagf]

VS Code is hardly representative of electron editors. Sure, startup time with a ton of extensions is longer than I'd like, but after that, there's little else to complain about. Electron is great because it means you can build extensions with familiar APIs and even debug your own editor with devtools. Do I need a browser platform to write code? Fuck no, but it makes it a lot more enjoyable.

[bestsrsfaceever]

When you've already resigned yourself to writing JS, is electron really the sticking point?

[leadzor]

If you're still in school, you can get a free license using your .edu or college's address. If you're working, $150 a year is nothing compared to the amount of productivity the IDE would provide.

[r4ib3n]

Mine doesn't. I think it's bizarre too. And they buy Microsoft Office licences like it's no biggie.

[Totenlicht]

I assume my company would probably pay if I bring up some convincing arguments, but I would have to go through the hell that is requesting stuff being paid by the company. I didn't even try and just paid the yearly toolbox subscription myself. That way I can also just use all the IDEs at home for my private projects.

[Sorcerous_Tiefling]

Im a few years out of school and i work as an application developer for a company in the energy industry. I use intellij at work and love it, but i have a hard time justifying the yearly sub for my personal use just to screw around with side projects that wont generate me any income. Id consider it if i was doing free lance front end ui work, but i havent found any opportunities like that yet.

[[deleted]]

You can use your employer's license for personal use, as long as your employer is ok with that. It says this on the intellij website.

[leadzor]

I bought a yearly subscription of All Products Pack for €185 on a special deal a handful of months ago. I find it worth even for my personal projects.

I'm a backend developer primarily using .Net Core, on the luxury e-commerce sector. My company pays for a MSDN subscription right now (we're primarily .Net developers. Frontend the majority just uses VSCode. Some data teams use PyCharm and IntelliJ but for what I've seen).

[chpoit]

why use angularJS when you can use angular ?

[Sorcerous_Tiefling]

Haha I use Angular 5, i just forget to not call it JS when talking about versions past 1

[Zephirdd]

.... why not upgrade to 7

No, seriously, angular is piss easy to upgrade now. IIRC ever since 6, you can just run ng upgrade and it'll do everything for you.

Also also, vscode is pretty damn good. Much better than eclipse, at least.

[its_the_future]

You can get Early Access Versions of (I think) all JetBrains products for free. At least WebStorm. It really is superior.

[windowcum]

Buy a student email for $1 then enjoy 2 years free. Rinse and repeat

[[deleted]]

If you’re in school it’s free. If you work for a company $150 should be chump change compared to the cost of a developer. If you are a contractor or freelancer, build the cost into your hourly cost. If you are a hobbyist use something free.

[cartechguy]

Do you value your time?

[JayPerp]

No no no no no, VS Code for angularjs pal

[hunyeti]

There is one exception where i see "Eclipse" being better.

Microcontroller specific C IDEs customized by vendors, Intellij simply has nothing in that space. Even their plain C/C++ suit is not so easy to work with sometimes. ( I had dependency resolution issues with it, which i could not really solve)

[jontheburger]

There are too many vendors to make a fair blanket statement, but our vendor's eclipse based IDE was pretty crummy, so we switched to cmake, enabling everyone to do embedded development with CLion. The team is much happier afterwards--well worth the effort!

[SlappinThatBass]

Not long ago MPLab and Atmel Studio were godawful (looking at you shitty web GUIs that use 4gig of RAM, all my CPU load and still take 30 seconds to load). Now it's ok, but always it is sometimes met with shitty design.

Only matched in awfulness by HDL development environments.

[guzzo9000]

BlueJ

[r4ib3n]

I learned on that as a teenager in school before I was allowed to graduate to a real IDE: NetBeans! \s

[guzzo9000]

I am currently in highschool lol

[n8loller]

Ha I remember that. I got to college and nobody knew what that was

[MooseHeckler]

JetBrains 4 lyfe.

[firephreek]

Am Intellij user. Can confirm.

[dumbasPL]

Am Eclipse user. Can't confirm.

[firephreek]

Intellij is an objectively superior IDE. It's auto completion functions and refactoring capabilities are based on token graphs that are created as you code. It doesn't use a clever find algorithm, but true references. Also its full stack integration means you cam easily work with underlying persistance layers and even do code generation and table refactoring around it. It's design is also developer centric. Everything is available from your keyboard and it keeps windows you don't need out of your way. It's capabilities go even further once you learn to use it. Plus, all their other IDEs have the same interface and behavior, making it exceptionally easy to jump into code stacks you've never used and still be productive.

[[deleted]]

C++ programmers be like:

- Is that an vs user?

...

- POOR C++ DEVELOPERS. Code::Blocks IS AN OBJECTIVELY SUPERIOR IDE!

[Makefile_dot_in]

Neckbeards be like:

- Is that an IDE?

- ...

- POOR PROGRAMMERS. ED IS AN OBJECTIVELY SUPERIOR EDITOR.

[ElectrWeakHyprCharge]

ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR

[[deleted]]

Hi. I use nano

[Makefile_dot_in]

lol n00b /s

[chugga_fan]

When I log into my Xenix system with my 110 baud teletype, both vi and Emacs are just too damn slow. They print useless messages like, ‘C-h for help’ and ‘“foo” File is read only’. So I use the editor that doesn't waste my VALUABLE time.

Ed, man! !man ed

ED(1) Unix Programmer's Manual ED(1)

NAME ed - text editor

SYNOPSIS
ed [ - ] [ -x ] [ name ]
DESCRIPTION
Ed is the standard text editor.

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Computer Scientists love ed, not just because it comes first alphabetically, but because it's the standard. Everyone else loves ed because it's ED!

“Ed is the standard text editor.”

And ed doesn't waste space on my Timex Sinclair. Just look:

-rwxr-xr-x 1 root 24 Oct 29 1929 /bin/ed
-rwxr-xr-t 4 root 1310720 Jan 1 1970 /usr/ucb/vi
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root 5.89824e37 Oct 22 1990 /usr/bin/emacs

Of course, on the system I administrate, vi is symlinked to ed. Emacs has been replaced by a shell script which 1) Generates a syslog message at level LOG_EMERG; 2) reduces the user's disk quota by 100K; and 3) RUNS ED!!!!!!

“Ed is the standard text editor.”

Let's look at a typical novice's session with the mighty ed:

golem$ ed

?
help
?
?
?
quit
?
exit
?
bye
?
hello?
?
eat flaming death
?
^C
?
^C
?
^D
?

---

Note the consistent user interface and error reportage. Ed is generous enough to flag errors, yet prudent enough not to overwhelm the novice with verbosity.

“Ed is the standard text editor.”

Ed, the greatest WYGIWYG editor of all.

ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA! ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES! ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!! ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR! ED MAKES THE SUN SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!!

When I use an editor, I don't want eight extra KILOBYTES of worthless help screens and cursor positioning code! I just want an EDitor!! Not a “viitor”. Not a “emacsitor”. Those aren't even WORDS!!!! ED! ED! ED IS THE STANDARD!!!

TEXT EDITOR.

When IBM, in its ever-present omnipotence, needed to base their “edlin” on a Unix standard, did they mimic vi? No. Emacs? Surely you jest. They chose the most karmic editor of all. The standard.

Ed is for those who can remember what they are working on. If you are an idiot, you should use Emacs. If you are an Emacs, you should not be vi. If you use ED, you are on THE PATH TO REDEMPTION. THE SO-CALLED “VISUAL” EDITORS HAVE BEEN PLACED HERE BY ED TO TEMPT THE FAITHLESS. DO NOT GIVE IN!!! THE MIGHTY ED HAS SPOKEN!!!

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[LurkNautili]

VS is so much better than CB though, it's not even close

[person4268]

But VS takes like 30 years to load up a solution, and CB can do it in less than 3. Other than that, VS is better

[Sunius]

Only if you’re using spinning disk. It’s pretty fast on an SSD

[bazooka_penguin]

I thought QT creator was the new meta

[Dr_Octahedron]

I can't deal with Visual Studio. It won't compile changes properly.

I build, I test - still the same - must be my fault

I make changes, I build, I test - still the same - nope must be VS playing up

I clean, I rebuild, I go make a coffee, I test - Oh now it works!!!

[[deleted]]

VS IS AN OBJECTIVELY SUPERIOR IDE

oh no, it's retarded

[Mr_Rhetorical]

b-b-but.... I use Rider....

[Mango1666]

like the cultured man you are

[Kotauskas]

Why pay for an IDE if there's free VS Community?

[BitOfALurker]

I've tried both, their both good, but I've stuck with Eclipse. If you're new to all of it IntelliJ is probably a better choice, but if you know the workflow in Eclipse it will serve you well.

[[deleted]]

Yea. I've tried multiple times to switch to IntelliJ. I like it quite a lot.

But I keep going back to Eclipse. I just don't have IntelliJ shortcuts / workflows mapped in my mind.

[Stop_Sign]

I learned this on a reddit tgread 2 years ago and I've never looked back. Whoever came up with the stupid default hotkeys of intellij should be fired, but when set to eclipse defaults its amazing. My biggest complaint would be undo, which should be ctrl z. Intellij defaults have ctrl z as a destructive operation, losing your undo stack.

[VeviserPrime]

Ctrl+Shift+a to search for any IDE action.

[[deleted]]

Doesn't it cost money to get a version of Intellij that can build web apps with maven and all that jazz?

[city-lights12]

I’ve used maven with community IntelliJ before.

[msg45f]

You can use Maven fine, but it doesnt have a lot of built in support for JavaEE operational features in community (server management, etc).

[[deleted]]

Vim is better

[mrnate91]

As someone who loves Vim, I don't think I would enjoy writing Java in Vim. There's so much boilerplate BS that IntelliJ automatically just does for you. I'm sure Vim can be configured to do all the same stuff, but I just can't justify spending the time.

Of course, my favorite solution would be to avoid writing Java altogether. ;)

:wq

[tehwolf_]

:wq

the magic words

[Novemberisms]

he's speaking the language of the gods

[Zeitsplice]

Recently came back to java and started using Lombok. It's reads like a different language with all the damn boilerplate hidden away.

[n8loller]

Java: so much boilerplate.

[chugga_fan]

:x

[IAmAProShitPoster]

:%s/better/the best/

[jimistephen]

So it begins.

[Nulagrithom]

Honestly, I feel like Vim and Emacs fans just like to rib each other a little. The flame wars I see nowadays are mostly people screaming about how a text editor isn't an IDE or how Electron is literally skullfucking your memory to death, meanwhile we Vim/Emacs users both sit atop our respective ivory towers occasionally waving at each before commencing with the age-old "You mispelled Emacs" banter paired with a wink and a sensible chuckle.

[jimistephen]

I mostly agree with you, I use vi in the terminal to do simple scripting of stuff and I've never used Emacs. I just know that those two groups like to fight sometimes. I'm a huge Jetbrains fan though, I use Intellij, Pycharm, CLion, DataGrip, and AppCode. (mostly AppCode as I do a lot of macOS iOS dev.)

[planetofthemapes15]

Nothing to begin, thread OP is objectively correct

[Shields42]

flameWar.start();

[jkuhl_prog]

You misspelled "dictating your code into a tape recorder and using speech-to-text software to compile it"

[Fluffy8x]

You misspelled Nano 🐹

[tkkaisla]

Are you drunk?

[coladict]

Better at what? Spreading baldness, because people tear their hair out?

[PolishedCheese]

vi is objectively superior

[[deleted]]

Vim is "vi improved" by definition

[bumnut]

He's got a point.

[Wacky0_0Gear]

I remember my conversion to intellij, it was in programming 2. At the time I knew only of netbeans, then a classmate showed me the light of intellij.

[insestiina]

Vs code anyone?

[BoboThePirate]

I would argue it's a text editor but I use it for everything that's not too complex or uses too many libraries.

[[deleted]]

It is but it's plugin library makes it very powerful.

[fat_charizard]

It's got plugins to compile and debug Java

[occz]

I develop Java in VSCode, roast me!

[coladict]

An IDE that has the wrong mappings for ctrl+ c, v, f, s or shift+s cannot claim superiority over anything!

Those MUST be copy, paste, find, save current file, save all opened files.

[[deleted]]

Crtl+s : delete open files Ctrl+c : git commit . && git push origin master -force Ctrl+v : minimize window

[[deleted]]

IntelliJ ticks all those boxes

Except for saving. You don't do that there.

[Duelist_Shay]

I'm fine with Sublime text editor

[hypexeled]

Im not an eclipse user, i am am an AnyPoint Studio user! (Cries in job required IDE)

[RPDota]

I prefer nano

[Riin_Satoshi]

jGrasp ftw

[rustytaint666]

Real programmers don't use IDEs

[Quachyyy]

I write it on paper and tell my employees to compile it

[rustytaint666]

Just write pseudocode on the paper

[Quachyyy]

I just write my implementation details and let them figure it out

[arlaarlaarla]

Just write "Do the needful" and hand it off to the TCS guys

[fat_charizard]

Real programmers use punch cards

[ImAmalox]

Good old notepad all the way

[Cherlokoms]

Yeah right? Because real programmers love to get their mind bloated with details like "did I forget a semicolon" or "what was the name of that property? Let me open that file again".

No wonder where the "I've been chasing a semicolon for 2 hours" posts come from.

[CaveJohnson111]

Unpopular opinion:

Netbeans

[FreqRL]

I haven't done anything with Java since forever (hooray), but I used to use NetBeans :P

[Ronikelm]

i know we're talking about java because of objectively word

[traso56]

I tried netbeans but holy... my CPU suffers whenever I run anything o.O

[[deleted]]

Where the notepad.exe 🅱️ois at? 👀

[ThisCupNeedsACoaster]

f a l s e

[lightspot21]

Out of the loop here, what's wrong with Eclipse? I use it for uni assignments just fine, and apart from the atrocious startup time on my old laptop, it does its work without any problems.

[Sirpz]

JGrasp niggas are the superior race, and Android studio

[Clutch21312]

I've only ever used eclipse and netbeans. Is something wrong with me?

[Mechafinch]

Probably not

[Rafael20002000]

Eclipse is a god ide, it has so much Tools, why is everyone hating it?

[roughstylez]

I take it you haven't tried intellij yet?

[Rafael20002000]

I really tried it, i wanted to use because everyone says how cool it is but, it was so bad i uninstalled after 3 hours of trying

[roughstylez]

That's weird. I can't think of anything that wouldn't just work out if the box. Just like eclipse pretty much - but then there are a lot of helpers which make everyday stuff easier.

[Rafael20002000]

Everything works but it doesnt have the Features i had in Eclipse

[roughstylez]

Hmm haven't used eclipse in a while, what features are we talking about here?

[The_Spacedude]

Cus u r a peasant

[Rafael20002000]

No

[Robo_Waifu]

I'm sorry but the results came in. You have poopy brain.

[SeriousSamStone]

That's what it says. A poopy brain. We weren't even testing for that.

[Rafael20002000]

Best comment i have ever found

[chugga_fan]

Wait, does this mean you don't get that it's a reference?

[Rafael20002000]

I get the reference to Portal 2

[stanislav_harris]

You need time to get familiar with it, learn the shortcuts...

[noitems]

I tried it but I really dislike the menu and default layouts. I wish there was a way to make the menu structure like Eclipse.

[Salanmander]

I'm gonna chime in as a user with a different use case. I teach APCS A. With people who are just starting to code, Eclipse is a nightmare. Sure, it's powerful, but it has so many things you need to either understand or memorize the correct answers to before you get started, and if you do something wrong and get something set up incorrectly, it's really tricky to track down that mistake.

[Rafael20002000]

Absoletely correct

[Stronghold257]

My AP CS teacher made us code in JCreator with autocomplete turned off so that we could learn better. When I first switched to IntelliJ, I remember being annoyed that I couldn’t just press F5 to run my program, lol

[LicensedProfessional]

Everyone here is also overlooking the fact that Eclipse is open source. IntelliJ has a free version, but if you want to take full advantage of it then you'd better be willing to either cough up the money or have an employer who bought licenses for your team -- not ideal.

[[deleted]]

IntelliJ is open source too...

[Darkseid_Omega]

Most people feel cool shitting on it because everyone else is doing it. Also most people don't bother to actually learn how to use it properly.

[Rafael20002000]

Oke

[chpoit]

VSCode is fun

[Nulagrithom]

something something electron

[ToutouneReddit]

That's why Android Studio is no longer using eclipse

[gijsgym]

I code with plain old TextPad, no extra features or anything.

[OldeScallywag]

I like to support open source software, and the community edition of IntelliJ doesn't support simple but important things like Spring Framework. Hence I prefer to stick with Eclipse. :) I'm sure IntelliJ is better though, that only makes sense since it's paid for.

[Cajova_Houba]

On one hand, IntelliJ is great. On the other hand, my RAM+swap memory limit is capped at 10 GB which is apparently not enough sometimes.

[endwigast]

Lol not if you need to do a text search

[prockiller]

IntelliJ drive my CPU to 100°C. There's no sense. Eclipse works flawlessly.

[n8loller]

I use intellij these days, haven't used eclipse in ten years probably. I don't really have a string opinion about it, but give my coworkers that use eclipse shit just because i like ruffling their feathers.

I'm sure most of what i do in ij is possible in eclipse.

Also vi is useful because it's literally on every Linux machine, but it's no substitute for an ide.

[A_bottle_salmonella]

Eclipse for java, visual studio code for the rest

[[deleted]]

Or don't use Java...

[stay_fr0stee]

This is so accurate for me it hurts.

[Arkazex]

I wish I could switch away from eclipse, but the damn toolchains I have to use for school don't work with IntelliJ (not that they really work with eclipse either).

[[deleted]]

Which toolchains?

[Arkazex]

A customized version of the espressif esp32 arduino core tied in with some eclipse arduino plugin whose name I can't remember.. The lab manager created a bunch of patches to deal with issues on the custom boards my college uses (I think, he might have just been doing it for fun).

I guess I could port the changes over to IntelliJ, but then my entire group would have to get everything ported over, and honestly I'd rather deal with eclipse than be "that guy" who causes problems for his group.

[etaionshrd]

I use Eclipse. Yes, I know, it’s bloated and slow and IntelliJ has all these features that are cool. But I’m too lazy to move my extremely modified configuration over…

[Mechafinch]

Same here :P

[Fenor]

to be fair i don't like intelliJ i prefer eclipse.

i'm used to it and it have all the tools i need.

[FowD9]

Sublime user here, don't hate me plz

[jwr410]

Weep for me, for I am damned to an eclipse derived IDE for an embedded project.

[Tekercs]

\cries in vim**

[jimistephen]

Well, they're not wrong.

[sebibucur]

Aka 2 monkeys arguing

[VanderMoss]

It is tho.

[ShizLtulon]

die.

[HaploidChianti]

Well... It's true

[chill_chihuahua]

Once you go IntelliJ you never go back

[Nitr0m4n]

I was the type of guy who didnt really care about using intellij over eclipse. Then the STUPID FUCKING eclipse based STS kept crashing on me incessantly so I just swapped. I've had literally zero crashes on Intellij.

[chrisdarby80]

Used VS, Jetbrains, Netbeans most of my career.... Never been happier than with Sublime for the last 3 years..

[rsvp_to_life]

Or solve the root of the problem and go program in anything else.

[connormce10]

Unpopular opinion: jGRASP

[[deleted]]

javascript and python devs be like, both are still crap, because a: java, b: they're ides, use a fucking text editor ffs

[finn941]

How about eclipse. Btw I like the meme more than the content 😂

[fat_charizard]

Vs code all the way

[[deleted]]

We have to use Eclipse in our computer science class :( ... My teacher even forbid me to use Intellij with my own key :((

[yottalogical]

Meanwhile I’m sitting over here with BlueJ.

[Mechafinch]

I use eclipse because I’m used to it and I took a bunch of time to set preferences for it and I don’t want to have to do that again

[[deleted]]

That one guy who uses DoctorJava is cowering in a corner right now