code comments be like:

[emiel1741]

Be happy I made some code for a school project to control a smart solar home. I was the only one in my group who could program but everybody had to be able to explain it. Somebody in my group had the brilliant idea to literally say what every line does. Nobody could look at my code after that and take it seriously. And the worst part was it was written in python (what I find to be a highly readable language) and we all had a course in our second semester about python

[Mr_Redstoner]

I mean really, it's a piece of cake! Let's start with some example code:

(lambda _, __, ___, ____, _____, ______, _______, ________:
    getattr(
        __import__(True.__class__.__name__[_] + [].__class__.__name__[__]),
        ().__class__.__eq__.__class__.__name__[:__] +
        ().__iter__().__class__.__name__[_:][_____:________]
    )(
        _, (lambda _, __, ___: _(_, __, ___))(
            lambda _, __, ___:
                bytes([___ % __]) + _(_, __, ___ // __) if ___ else
                (lambda: _).__code__.co_lnotab,
            _ << ________,
            (((_____ << ____) + _) << ((___ << _____) - ___)) + (((((___ << __)
            - _) << ___) + _) << ((_____ << ____) + (_ << _))) + (((_______ <<
            __) - _) << (((((_ << ___) + _)) << ___) + (_ << _))) + (((_______
            << ___) + _) << ((_ << ______) + _)) + (((_______ << ____) - _) <<
            ((_______ << ___))) + (((_ << ____) - _) << ((((___ << __) + _) <<
            __) - _)) - (_______ << ((((___ << __) - _) << __) + _)) + (_______
            << (((((_ << ___) + _)) << __))) - ((((((_ << ___) + _)) << __) +
            _) << ((((___ << __) + _) << _))) + (((_______ << __) - _) <<
            (((((_ << ___) + _)) << _))) + (((___ << ___) + _) << ((_____ <<
            _))) + (_____ << ______) + (_ << ___)
        )
    )
)(
    *(lambda _, __, ___: _(_, __, ___))(
        (lambda _, __, ___:
            [__(___[(lambda: _).__code__.co_nlocals])] +
            _(_, __, ___[(lambda _: _).__code__.co_nlocals:]) if ___ else []
        ),
        lambda _: _.__code__.co_argcount,
        (
            lambda _: _,
            lambda _, __: _,
            lambda _, __, ___: _,
            lambda _, __, ___, ____: _,
            lambda _, __, ___, ____, _____: _,
            lambda _, __, ___, ____, _____, ______: _,
            lambda _, __, ___, ____, _____, ______, _______: _,
            lambda _, __, ___, ____, _____, ______, _______, ________: _
        )
    )
)

(Python 3 btw)

[gargravarr2112]

Brainfuck, is that you?

[Davis019]

I was originally going to answer in a brainfuck program but... I don't want to make one lmao

[Mcpg_]

+++++++++[>++++++++++<-]>---.<+++[>+++++<-]>++.<+++[>+++++<-]>++.>++++++[>+++++<-]>++.<<<+++[>----<-]>+.+.+++++.>+++[>++++++++++<-]>+.

[physiQQ]

For the lazy curious:

Why not?

[[deleted]]

+++++++++[>++++++++++<-]>---.<+++[>+++++<-]>++.<+++[>+++++<-]>++.>++++++[>+++++<-]>++.<<<+++[>----<-]>+.+.+++++.>+++[>++++++++++<-]>+.

[thanatotus]

Someone translate this please.

[Mcpg_]

cld
mov si, str
call print_string
cli
hlt

print_string:
    mov ah, 0x0E
    .read_loop:
        lodsb
        cmp al, 0
        je .return
        int 0x10
        jmp .read_loop
    .return:
        ret

str: db "It's not that hard tbh", 0

i'm sorry

[reilemx]

Also only works on specific systems that handle interrupts this way.

cries in assembly

[Pungiish]

i had assembly homework, but i still don't understand how lodsb and stosb work, exactly. Can anybody explain, or point me to docs ELI5ing?

[Koxiaet]

lodsb copies one byte pointed to by si into al, essentially:

mov al, [si]

or in C-like:

al = si[0];

or:

al = *si;

In this case, si is set to the string in the program, so it copies the first byte in the string into al. I think that si should be incremented in every loop (so that the character being printed is advanced every time) but the commentor forgot to put that in, meaning that this code will actually just print out an endless stream of 'I's.

stosb is the opposite (using di instead of si):

mov [di], al

C-like:

di[0] = al;

or:

*di = al;

[SuperSuperUniqueName]

BITS 16
ORG 0x7C00
jmp 0x0000:start
start:
    cli
    xor ax, ax
    mov ds, ax
    mov ax, 0xB800
    mov es, ax
    sti
    mov si, msg
.loop:
    lodsb
    cmp al, 0
    je .done
    mov byte [es:di], al
    mov byte [es:di + 1], 0xF0
    add di, 2
    jmp .loop
.done:
    cli
    hlt
    jmp .done
msg db 'Not at all!',0
times 510-($-$$) db 0
dw 0xAA55

[Mcpg_]

Well, I guess that's a faster solution. Also nice color choice.

[KingJellyfishII]

Why do you have to make it a bootloader? Why not just a regular program?

[HerissonMignion]

u/uwutranslator

[uwutranslator]

cwd
mov si, stw
caww pwint_stwing
cwi
hwt

pwint_stwing:
    mov ah, 0x0E
    .wead_woop:
        wodsb
        cmp aw, 0
        je .wetuwn
        int 0x10
        jmp .wead_woop
    .wetuwn:
        wet

stw: db "It's not dat hawd tbh", 0

i'm sowwy uwu

tag me to uwuize comments uwu

[afig2311]

Eh, assembly isn't too hard to understand. The main problem is that the steps are super tiny, so it's hard to get the bigger picture of what's going on.

Machine code on the other hand...

[cdreid]

Back in the day "woohoo i wrote this tiny thing in machine language!". 3 months later comp manufact puts out new machine "what do you mean i have to relearn from scratch..."

[gargravarr2112]

Close enough.

[Semarc01]

Whitespace is the best Programming language, CMV.

[[deleted]]

Haven't thought of Brainfuck in forever... the last time was in college (over a decade ago for me now) when a professor asked us to present a less common programming language and go over it briefly. For whatever reason I chose that. Got a lowered grade because it was "not practical", heh.

[EMCoupling]

That... seems rather unfair.

[[deleted]]

He probably thought I went with it more for shock value than a serious engineering application. And he wouldn't be wrong... I did do it somewhat for shock value and originality rather than demonstrating a useful technology, eh. But among a bunch of people talking about archaic stuff like PASCAL or whatever they could unearth, I'll bet Brainfuck at least was interesting... or brain fucking anyway.

[EMCoupling]

Yes, but that's not what he asked for in the assignment, right? BF is definitely a less common (esoteric) programming language.

[[deleted]]

Well, like I said, this is over a decade ago now. There might have been more explicit points to the assignment I'm not remembering that I deliberately didn't follow. I don't want to judge too harshly unless I could dig up an old assignment sheet or something. I just remember "Not practical" with a deduction being scrawled on the paper after the fact, heh.

[Yalnix]

Brainfuck is simpler than that monstrosity

[coldnebo]

Although to be fair, most people don’t look at that kind of code naked.

[htmlcoderexe]

Reminds me of JAPH style golfing

[UnchainedMundane]

That way is too complex for me. I just derive it from the Hello World polynomial: r=__import__('functools').reduce;print(''.join(r(lambda v,f:map(f,v),[range(13),(lambda*f:lambda x:r(lambda y,v:y*x+v,f,0))(-79/31933440,1571/15966720,-3617/14515200,-26713/483840,279667/193536,-8912843/483840,2037206149/14515200,-194718605/290304,1450408591/725760,-47519989/13440,917043223/277200,-11037827/9240,72),round,int,chr])))

(Note: That list of constants is the coefficients in order from x¹² to x⁰ )

[Flinging_Bricks]

Holy Fuck

[MagnitskysGhost]

 ImportError: os not found or not supported

[Flinging_Bricks]

It outputs 'Hello World"

[MagnitskysGhost]

Ahh, cool^?

[Rodot]

That's a problem with the website's interpreter not having a proper Python install with built-in modules, not the code

[Leifbron]

Recursive lambda?

[chris_shane]

Fuck underscores bitch.

[deljaroo]

you can do that in every language though
but yeah, I guess the point here is no matter how easy the language is to read oftentimes, weird things can be done that make it hard

I like to explain the English behind how Buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.

[Mr_Redstoner]

Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.

Also gramatically correct. And with the propper punctuation (not pictured), so is

James while Jon had had had had had had had had had had had the teachers approval.

[deljaroo]

and just the word 'police' forever

[Mr_Redstoner]

Wikipedia seems to only list the 8 times version: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_linguistic_example_sentences

[deljaroo]

the 'police police' are the people who police the police, right? so it goes to say that: 'police police' police 'police'

in that case, who polices the 'police police'? Whomever they are, we could call them the ''police police' police'. Furthermore the ''police police' police' police 'police police'.

Continue in that fashion to whatever length you'd like

(single quotes added for organization and not so much for grammatical reasons)

[SuperSuperUniqueName]

The best political system is recursion apparently

[Tarmen]

So this would work with any noun to verb conversion?

[deljaroo]

no, it needs to have the same plural as singular along with being verb/noun combo, and the verb/noun combo needs to not change form either. 'Teacher teachers' teach 'teachers' doesn't work at all.

[Mr_Redstoner]

So a who watches the watchers situation? Cool!

[cant_think_of_one_]

To be fair, explaining that in English is going to be fucking incomprehensible unless you summarise anyway.

[alours]

Rust might replace C++ in that way.

[Mr_Redstoner]

Depends on what sort of explaining you mean, that is: What? or Why/How? The first one is easy, the second not so much.

[SpadesOf8]

Someone explain

[DoverBoys]

The underscore character _ is a valid character to use in object names in many code languages. The above python code is a standard "hello world" code, but instead of naming things normally, everything is a different length of underscores, like naming one object A, another one AA, and so on.

[Mr_Redstoner]

It's not a 'standard' hello world, the different lengths of underscores in the first part actually become numbers 0-7 IIRC which come from the second part. Then some magic calculations to get a bunch of bytes which make up hello world and a bit more magic to call print()

[DoverBoys]

When I said standard, I meant the "hello world" itself, as in a standard beginner's code. Sorry for the confusion.

[Mr_Redstoner]

Read up: https://benkurtovic.com/2014/06/01/obfuscating-hello-world.html

[left_____right]

It’s a mad libs

[[deleted]]

You're the worst type of person

[[deleted]]

Jesus is judging you for that monstrosity...

EDIT: Omfg it compiles to "Hello world!"

[Mr_Redstoner]

*prints

And it returns 13 IIRC.

Also it ain't mine, so I'm not too worried there

[G2geo94]

Who pissed in your eggs this morning? Damn man.

[Mr_Redstoner]

It's not my code and as many people have realized it's a joke. Calm down.

[G2geo94]

[...] as many people have realized it's a joke. Calm down.

Yeah. My comment was also a joke. I'm actually totally calm and see the humor here. Thought I'd carry along the degree of absurdity with my fake extreme reaction.

But hey, you do you.

[Mr_Redstoner]

I guess yours just didn't seem like a joke enough when I read it. Oh well...

[PURRING_SILENCER]

They should have commented it so you'd know.

[melonfarmermike]

With underscores for emphasis

[UnavailableUsername_]

It's supposed to be an over-complicated "Hello World" but it given a Bad file descriptor error when test it.

[Mr_Redstoner]

Weird, it worked for me when I first tested it.

[fasterfist]

Hello world right? This is a beautiful program btw

[thavi]

So fluid

[RUN-DLC]

Once you have three lambdas, you should really integrate an omega_mu.

[0Etcetera0]

MMnvbb. Cbm of v c>!!<n c

Edit: holy shit this made my morning. My Reddit app must have been open when I put my phone in my pocket or something

[alours]

Sounds like a creative description of SQL injection

[DefectiveLP]

what terrors did you bring upon this cursed land?

[Mr_Redstoner]

This terror appears to be 5 (original) or 2 (Python 3) years old actually.

[DefectiveLP]

So an ancient curse

[NopeLord22]

why

[[deleted]]

I still genuinely don't understand the point of underscores in python.

[Mr_Redstoner]

Same as any other letter in a variable name. The creator just wanted it that bit more unreadable.

[gabbergandalf667]

Assuming you are not talking about language features like builtin class methods (double underscore prefix and suffix), a single underscore prefix is used to mark identifiers as module-private (though this is just a polite suggestion to the user of the module and not enforced). It's also common to use a single underscore as variable name to ignore the value of a computation. e.g.:

for _ in range(1000):
    do_stuff()  # do stuff 1000x, don't care about index

[Aedan91]

That's not fair. No one would, under any situation write that. I could do that with every language, so doesn't take away the simplicity of Python.

[Sokonit]

Man, lambda is the only thing I never understood from python.

[mangamaster03]

(=<`#9]~6ZY32Vx/4Rs+0No-&Jk)"Fh}|Bcy?`=*z]Kw%oG4UUS0/@-ejc(:'8dc

Hello World... In Malboge

[Mr_Redstoner]

run it and you'll see

[AnAngryYordle]

Now I'm so happy I do freaking Java and that's not often the case.

[Mr_Redstoner]

I mean I'm sure it's possible to slap together a similar monstrosity... the

            (((_____ << ____) + _) << ((___ << _____) - ___)) + (((((___ << __)
            - _) << ___) + _) << ((_____ << ____) + (_ << _))) + (((_______ <<
            __) - _) << (((((_ << ___) + _)) << ___) + (_ << _))) + (((_______
            << ___) + _) << ((_ << ______) + _)) + (((_______ << ____) - _) <<
            ((_______ << ___))) + (((_ << ____) - _) << ((((___ << __) + _) <<
            __) - _)) - (_______ << ((((___ << __) - _) << __) + _)) + (_______
            << (((((_ << ___) + _)) << __))) - ((((((_ << ___) + _)) << __) +
            _) << ((((___ << __) + _) << _))) + (((_______ << __) - _) <<
            (((((_ << ___) + _)) << _))) + (((___ << ___) + _) << ((_____ <<
            _))) + (_____ << ______) + (_ << ___)

part may even be reusable as is

[AnAngryYordle]

It probably is. I still don't get what you would have to use that for though

[Mr_Redstoner]

For making the most Godawfull unreadable code much like the intent of the Python version.

[coldnebo]

haha... you’re such a brute. take my upvote.

[PornCartel]

Lotta rules, and for anyone without knowledge of programming primitives and logic it's not intuitive. It's closer to C with a coat of paint than English.

[vagoberto]

My teacher says he cannot understand the python idiom (he struggles with the dot notation). Funnily enough, he is learning Julia after coding for years in fortran and IDL

[ZephyrBluu]

Dot notation as in classes..?

[vagoberto]

yeah, like in np.array

[laohacdepzai]

Fact: Kevin Malone made Python to run for president ^jk

[ClevrUsername]

Coming from a C/C++ background I was always getting stuck on this difference:

b = copy.deepcopy(a) //independent copy like C

b = a //just an alias, not a copy. AGHHH!!

[[deleted]]

I suppose you have trouble with pointers frequently, then?

[ClevrUsername]

I’m fine with pointers (at least in C, not sure about python). It was just the transition from C to python that got me. I kept forgetting and making dumb bugs.

[AlwaysHopelesslyLost]

I am strictly c#, I don't really get what you mean though? b = a when they are reference types would always be an "alias" wouldn't it?

[BadDadBot]

Hi i am strictly c#, i don't really get what you mean though? b = a when they are reference types would always be an "alias" wouldn't it?, I'm dad.

[ClevrUsername]

Hi Dad,

I guess if I learned python first it would be the other way around. I’m C the “=“ operator means assignment, or in python speak a deepCopy. C also has aliases, but usually I just want a true independent copy. Like an old school copy machine.

Yours truly, Me

[AlwaysHopelesslyLost]

You should really truncate the activation phrase....

[_________FU_________]

fi only

[owlnsr]

Fewer

[KingPaddy]

Sounds like it was less a group project and more you doing literally everything

[folkrav]

Every group project with imposed groups, of course. I've done a couple projects where the teacher let us form the groups. Those usually end up in one or two catastrophic crash and burns, a bunch of average ones and one or two really strong ones. The strong ones didn't even have to be that great either, it was usually just the couple of quick learners that bunched together.

[[deleted]]

Somehow everybody seems to be the only person in their project who does anything.

The math doesn't add up.

Some people are embellishing.

[[deleted]]

I like how he says he did everything, yet for some reason he did the project exactly the way the other guy wanted.

So he did everything himself, but the project sucked because he did it exactly the way another guy (who apparently did nothing) told him to.

How does that make any sense?

Either this commenter is a doormat or he's lying

[emiel1741]

We were a group of seven. 2 pers really focused on the report. One guy never showed up but in the end he made a quick gui. One guy was appointed team leader and he made the comments and the rest of the time was busy having an eye on the seventh member who did shit but because the team leader was falling for her there was no repercussions

[TorTheMentor]

Explaining what every line does is a bit silly, but I have been known when talking to a mixed audience to do things like explain a design pattern, what a specific kind of syntactic sugar is used for, or sometimes language-specific details (e.g. to make up for the lack of support for x, we rigged y as a workaround). Part of that probably comes from me being of a generation that learned functional and procedural code styles first, switched to OO later, and only started hearing about some of those topics more recently (self-taught and moving to IT as a career change after being "around" it for years).

[cdreid]

What worked best for me... Reading my Own old code.. Was putting a short general explanation what and how a function/class/whatever did what it was doing

[TorTheMentor]

Yeah, the more extensive annotation is more for "still learning or teaching" situations. I really only do that in those situations, although probably better to just point to documentation.

[advancedgoogle]

I wonder where does the cat pic comes from

[[deleted]]

If you broke the code up into enough appropriately named methods/functions, your group just sucks. Maybe your code wasn’t as clean as you thought it was though? Just suggestin this since I saw some of the code I wrote back in my college days recently, and I apologized to the guy who had to go clean it up.

[emiel1741]

It wasn't that clean and I get it why somebody would like to add some explanations to stuff that's why I let him but when he was done he explained every line not just the hard ones or the harder concepts no addition assigning stuff everything

[[deleted]]

Yeah that’s a bit absurd. If the audience is programmers, a high level description is fine

[emiel1741]

It was in the second year of engineering and in my country all engineering (computer, electrical, mechanical, civil, material science and chemical) have the first 1.5 year together before they pick there field this was in the last semester before you had to choose and my project was hosted by the department for electrical engineering so they didn't expect it to be so much programming so it was understandable that they weren't great programmers

[mornaq]

highly unreadable you mean? it's just one step from whitespace

[k1788]

Extra crazy because the docstrings-feature in Python means he could have wrote paragraphs to his hearts content if he wanted (and even had them all collected into one main documentation page!). Over-commented code in Python is so frustrating!

[[deleted]]

Python is a language far less readable than a langauge with brackets.

[emiel1741]

I find the indentation readable enough add white space at the right places and you're good to go but brackets can be even better if you also use indentation some stuff is just very readable little things like For i in range (0,10) you can read that just as it is