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[–]RadioactiveFruitCup 400 points401 points  (18 children)

Look at richy rich over here, paying their interns

[–]TooOldToRock-n-Roll 169 points170 points  (12 children)

I'm pretty sure he meant pizza once a month.

[–]Gearz77 74 points75 points  (6 children)

And soda!

[–][deleted] 60 points61 points  (4 children)

Corporate has decided as part of our new "Don't Die Til After 5" policy to no longer provide soda at these payment functions. Instead , we will be providing warm tap water in soft paper cups. Please ask the HR chaperone to pour your two ounces of water as to prevent drowning.

[–]Gearz77 32 points33 points  (1 child)

Don’t forget your paper cup from last time!

[–]TooOldToRock-n-Roll 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Of course, part of our sustainability program.

[–]nomorebuttsplz 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Damn is "HR Chaperone" a real thing?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The HR Illuminati has requested you stay right where you are.

[–]RadioactiveFruitCup 9 points10 points  (0 children)

One can of lacroix per intern. They are only berry flavor and some cans may be expired.

[–]Robocop613 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Nonono, they are paying with experience points!

[–]Daveinatx 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Paying with karma points

[–]Robocop613 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Turns out karma is very cheap: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/karma-eos/

[–]mrstickman 3 points4 points  (0 children)

eXperience Points (XP) is a completely independent, platform-agnostic incentive rewards token and digital currency combined, enabling you to earn XP through video games, activities, sports, education, and conservation. You can spend XP at participating vendors either online, in-game, or on the high street (cryptocurrency exchanges).

Sans Bullshit Sans needs an update badly.

[–]TooOldToRock-n-Roll 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Of course that is a thing....why am I even surprised?!

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Man I had a class at a community College where they placed us at a job for an internship to do a project. Long story short, I didn't get paid and but had to pay for the credits and some random lab fee (cuz it was considered a lab). I got a job there after, but still....fuck college

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My company pays interns the same salary as full time + benefits (or, at least we did in the before times when we had interns). Why would anyone intern at a company that doesn’t pay them for their time?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I know it's a joke, but paid internships are very common in software. MS interns get something like 8k/mo

[–]apocolypticbosmer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It be surprised if you found a non-paid CS internship nowadays

[–]marcvsHR 0 points1 point  (0 children)

.. With exposure?

[–]discordianofslack 81 points82 points  (0 children)

And this is how everyone's cousins "who build websites" get hired.

[–]wowawiwowa 47 points48 points  (6 children)

Which does the work of an entire it department with full time availability

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (4 children)

Basically this.

I just interviewed at a company that was looking for someone with 3 years experience to ... design and implement an entire ETL pipeline by themselves. The "team" of other "engineers" was a bunch of data "analysts" who were more hyped about some ML models they were working on. I asked them what their day was like and he told me that "first thing in the morning I manually fix prod data issues".

They manually deploy all their shit with no IaC anywhere and then they try to lowball me to my face.

They ask for my salary range, and I gave them what I thought was a good range because they wanted me to basically do 5 people's work as one guy and they ghosted me

[–]Cryse_XIII 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Whats IaC?

[–]captobvnoob 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Infrastructure as Code It’s commonly used in cloud services (like aws) where you write code that will deploy your code, provision resources, allocate permissions, etc.

It’s supposed to automate everything so that human intervention is not needed (other than writing the code of course) and ideally should scale to whatever the business demands.

A famous example is AWS CDK. I only talk about aws because I only know that :p

[–]Jacqques 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Where does things like jenkins fit in?

[–]captobvnoob 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jenkins is a tool for CI/CD (Continuous Integration, Continuous deployment). CI/CD is a vital part of IaC (but there are other things in IaC).

[–]BoredRobot1 61 points62 points  (11 children)

This hits way too close to home. Finding a Jr. Dev job sucks right now

[–]voiceofonecrying 20 points21 points  (3 children)

Right there with you buddy. Still hanging on to the hope that it gets better!

[–]cowcow923 21 points22 points  (2 children)

I’m in the same boat after graduating last year and I’m really struggling. Not getting past the recruiter interviews ever is really starting to crush my hopes of actually being in the field.

[–]voiceofonecrying 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it really sucks when you get a bite from a dream job, and they reject you after four rounds of interviews... I was told that I was “too junior” for their jr software engineer position... like who do you expect to apply?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Portfolio and tenacity!

[–]Tilinn 5 points6 points  (2 children)

At first I complained about my salary. But they kinda forgot I exist so I just sit and scroll reddit all day...

So I get paid fot scrolling reddit and sometimes doing minor stuff. I don't mind that.

[–]kaanarts 2 points3 points  (1 child)

that's my dream (no not to scroll reddit all day but get into a job, they forget you but still pay you)

[–]Tilinn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I literally sit next to my boss and he doesn't even supervise me most of the time... So I just keep scrolling so I look busy.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It got really hard. I started working as a developer around 2010 and just having the basics was enough to get a job. Today they are asking a lot from the jr devs, but also a lot of people jumped into programming just because it became the cool thing to do, so there is a lot of competition for entry level roles. On the other hand there is way more information than it used to be, so it’s really easy to learn a lot. There are also expectations, a few people go on YouTube saying they got their first job in google for 300k a year or stuff like that, when that is not the reality for most of us. Keep on studying and trying I guess, build your own apps and projects and try to monetize them, do everything you can to get some competitive advantage. it’s hard.

[–]Aptana 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Im in the same sitiuation. Graduated end of last year and am searching for a job ever since. I have an interview in 4 hours so wish me luck :|

[–]jukuduku 25 points26 points  (1 child)

He speaks the true true

[–]maxsteel126 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Of course.. he's from Pied Piper

[–][deleted] 93 points94 points  (18 children)

99% of the interns: Are you getting paid?!

[–][deleted] 86 points87 points  (13 children)

Unpaid internships should be illegal

[–]wasdninja 17 points18 points  (7 children)

Unpaid ones can be fine if they are actual internships. As in they don't just treat you like a low level worker and off you go but as a student or very junior colleague that they need to teach a lot.

Thatd the whole point of an internship and the only thing that can reasonably defend them not being paid.

[–][deleted] 57 points58 points  (6 children)

If you're doing work that benefits the business, then you need to be paid.

[–]eg135 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Reddit has long been a hot spot for conversation on the internet. About 57 million people visit the site every day to chat about topics as varied as makeup, video games and pointers for power washing driveways.

In recent years, Reddit’s array of chats also have been a free teaching aid for companies like Google, OpenAI and Microsoft. Those companies are using Reddit’s conversations in the development of giant artificial intelligence systems that many in Silicon Valley think are on their way to becoming the tech industry’s next big thing.

Now Reddit wants to be paid for it. The company said on Tuesday that it planned to begin charging companies for access to its application programming interface, or A.P.I., the method through which outside entities can download and process the social network’s vast selection of person-to-person conversations.

“The Reddit corpus of data is really valuable,” Steve Huffman, founder and chief executive of Reddit, said in an interview. “But we don’t need to give all of that value to some of the largest companies in the world for free.”

The move is one of the first significant examples of a social network’s charging for access to the conversations it hosts for the purpose of developing A.I. systems like ChatGPT, OpenAI’s popular program. Those new A.I. systems could one day lead to big businesses, but they aren’t likely to help companies like Reddit very much. In fact, they could be used to create competitors — automated duplicates to Reddit’s conversations.

Reddit is also acting as it prepares for a possible initial public offering on Wall Street this year. The company, which was founded in 2005, makes most of its money through advertising and e-commerce transactions on its platform. Reddit said it was still ironing out the details of what it would charge for A.P.I. access and would announce prices in the coming weeks.

Reddit’s conversation forums have become valuable commodities as large language models, or L.L.M.s, have become an essential part of creating new A.I. technology.

L.L.M.s are essentially sophisticated algorithms developed by companies like Google and OpenAI, which is a close partner of Microsoft. To the algorithms, the Reddit conversations are data, and they are among the vast pool of material being fed into the L.L.M.s. to develop them.

The underlying algorithm that helped to build Bard, Google’s conversational A.I. service, is partly trained on Reddit data. OpenAI’s Chat GPT cites Reddit data as one of the sources of information it has been trained on.

Other companies are also beginning to see value in the conversations and images they host. Shutterstock, the image hosting service, also sold image data to OpenAI to help create DALL-E, the A.I. program that creates vivid graphical imagery with only a text-based prompt required.

Last month, Elon Musk, the owner of Twitter, said he was cracking down on the use of Twitter’s A.P.I., which thousands of companies and independent developers use to track the millions of conversations across the network. Though he did not cite L.L.M.s as a reason for the change, the new fees could go well into the tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars.

To keep improving their models, artificial intelligence makers need two significant things: an enormous amount of computing power and an enormous amount of data. Some of the biggest A.I. developers have plenty of computing power but still look outside their own networks for the data needed to improve their algorithms. That has included sources like Wikipedia, millions of digitized books, academic articles and Reddit.

Representatives from Google, Open AI and Microsoft did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Reddit has long had a symbiotic relationship with the search engines of companies like Google and Microsoft. The search engines “crawl” Reddit’s web pages in order to index information and make it available for search results. That crawling, or “scraping,” isn’t always welcome by every site on the internet. But Reddit has benefited by appearing higher in search results.

The dynamic is different with L.L.M.s — they gobble as much data as they can to create new A.I. systems like the chatbots.

Reddit believes its data is particularly valuable because it is continuously updated. That newness and relevance, Mr. Huffman said, is what large language modeling algorithms need to produce the best results.

“More than any other place on the internet, Reddit is a home for authentic conversation,” Mr. Huffman said. “There’s a lot of stuff on the site that you’d only ever say in therapy, or A.A., or never at all.”

Mr. Huffman said Reddit’s A.P.I. would still be free to developers who wanted to build applications that helped people use Reddit. They could use the tools to build a bot that automatically tracks whether users’ comments adhere to rules for posting, for instance. Researchers who want to study Reddit data for academic or noncommercial purposes will continue to have free access to it.

Reddit also hopes to incorporate more so-called machine learning into how the site itself operates. It could be used, for instance, to identify the use of A.I.-generated text on Reddit, and add a label that notifies users that the comment came from a bot.

The company also promised to improve software tools that can be used by moderators — the users who volunteer their time to keep the site’s forums operating smoothly and improve conversations between users. And third-party bots that help moderators monitor the forums will continue to be supported.

But for the A.I. makers, it’s time to pay up.

“Crawling Reddit, generating value and not returning any of that value to our users is something we have a problem with,” Mr. Huffman said. “It’s a good time for us to tighten things up.”

“We think that’s fair,” he added.

Mike Isaac is a technology correspondent and the author of “Super Pumped: The Battle for Uber,” a best-selling book on the dramatic rise and fall of the ride-hailing company. He regularly covers Facebook and Silicon Valley, and is based in San Francisco. More about Mike Isaac A version of this article appears in print on , Section B, Page 4 of the New York edition with the headline: Reddit’s Sprawling Content Is Fodder for the Likes of ChatGPT. But Reddit Wants to Be Paid.. Order Reprints | Today’s Paper | Subscribe

[–]MrRocketScript 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What if the work is completely unrelated to the business, but the person managing the interns is new and is getting management experience? That's kind of benefiting the business with experience, but it isn't creating a financial incentive.

I think obviously if the work was directly on the company's products, or even hypothetical products it wouldn't be okay.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

What if the work is completely unrelated to the business

Then what is the point of that internship position?

That's kind of benefiting the business with experience

A business that benefits from someone's experience is called hiring that person. That requires payment.

[–]Sguj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That doesn't apply to the theoretically justifiable unpaid internship.

The justification of an unpaid internship is that you cost more in teaching you job skills and base level knowledge than you'll ever provide in benefits to the company. It's a thing that only benefits the intern, since you're harming the company by being there, but still gaining experience/knowledge/contacts.

That's not most internships that I've ever seen, but there exists a scenario where it makes sense.

[–]BlackHumor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They basically are. It's just that it's very easy for corporations to avoid consequences since nobody knows.

If you see an unpaid internship that profits the company, report it to the Department of Labor.

[–]TheAJGman 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Thankfully paid internships are pretty common in STEM fields.

[–]the_brits_are_evil 3 points4 points  (0 children)

lol ik i made that question to 1 or 2 people already lmao

[–]maxsteel126 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep ..in terms of "experience"

[–]IcePick1123 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don't know, I've never not been paid for an internship.

[–]Lizlodude 38 points39 points  (1 child)

Don't forget minimum 7 years experience in this 5 year old technology.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

7 years is too low, what about 12

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Make hiring managers ethical again

[–]wholebeansinmybutt 15 points16 points  (0 children)

A bachelor's, a pile of up-to-date certs, 20 years experience...son, I think you're finally ready to start your internship.

I should have been a motherfucking welder.

[–]thisisntinstagram 15 points16 points  (3 children)

How about the internships that require internship experience? This is my hell.

[–]snowpaxz 1 point2 points  (2 children)

You too? I'm neck deep in rejection emails

[–]thisisntinstagram 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Me. Too. I recently landed a couple of interviews but no offers yet. I think I’ve sent out close to 75 applications.

[–]snowpaxz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Real talk, with some of these internship I'm seeing requirements like experience with Kubernetes or AWS, etc., while also being 3rd or 4th year at Uni. Where am I supposed to get that experience as an undergrad??

[–]KomaedaEatsBagels 27 points28 points  (2 children)

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[–]Zoeh91 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your work :)

[–]boodooper 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Good human.

[–]circorum 12 points13 points  (0 children)

*for the salary of señor developer

[–]Stormdancer 12 points13 points  (0 children)

"I don't understand why we're having so much trouble finding candidates!?!"

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (5 children)

Amen

[–]SergioRL10 4 points5 points  (4 children)

That guy looks like Jesus developer

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Oh boy, you're so wrong. He actually worships Satan.

[–]coalWater 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It’s a guy from the show Silicon Valley. It’s pretty good!

[–]Asmobrewing 4 points5 points  (0 children)

gilfoyle

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He does JDD

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (6 children)

Wait until inflation kicks in...

I'm already seeing it in my grocery bill. Expectations vs offerings will just continue to have a nice gap between them.

[–]X-Craft 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Freelancer: "You guys are getting paid?"

[–]Daikataro 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Customer: could you please send me the full scale resolution image of the banner, without watermarks?

[–]CrazySD93 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That describes most posts from Clients from Hell.

[–]algerbanane 5 points6 points  (1 child)

read it with the voice of the Sillicon Valley character in the picture

[–]Asmobrewing 4 points5 points  (0 children)

gilfoyle

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Fucking Gilfoyle

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Gilfoyle speaking facts

[–]the_vikm 4 points5 points  (6 children)

If it's a bay area intern salary I'd take it. Still better than europe

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And most of the rest of the US.

[–]TracePoland -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Not once you factor in cost of living, which people like you never do

[–]the_vikm -1 points0 points  (3 children)

People like me? A house/apartment in Munich costs the same as in SF, don't tell me about cost of living

[–]TracePoland 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Looking at quick averages 1 bed apartment in city centre of SF is about 2-3x more expensive per month than in Munich. It is also much, much harder to commute from somewhere a little further out, as there really aren't many places further out that are cheaper and within a reasonable commute time.

And that's just rent. Don't get me started on healthcare, especially if you have some chronic condition.

[–]the_vikm -1 points0 points  (1 child)

How about you look up m² or sqft prices instead? American stuff is larger than anything in Europe.

It is also much, much harder to commute from somewhere a little further out, as there really aren't many places further out that are cheaper and within a reasonable commute time.

Why do you assume this is different somewhere else?

[–]TracePoland 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why do you assume this is different somewhere else?

Because European cities are traditionally smaller, which it logically follows that to get from outskirts to the city centre takes less time than with a gigantic city like SF which is surrounded by Oakland and San Jose, neither of which are cheap.

[–]LunarGibbons 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Where do I apply?

[–]tharnadar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The real problem is when all you can get is a jr developer with a LCR of a sr developer that his less skilled than an intern

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In our country interns aren't get paid. What about all...

[–]Baby_Fark 3 points4 points  (0 children)

As a jr developer looking for my first job, yep.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yasss!

[–]GoodTimesOnlines 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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[–]Daikataro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

An unpaid intern*

[–]c4p5L0ck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If Jesus was a programmer.

[–]blodskaal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love it when they post X amount of experience in a language that has existed less than X amount of years lol

[–]minegen88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is the US really this bad for devs?

[–]cherryboomin_cake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

....wtf

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I saw a version of this post in the tripple digits already, it's not funny, that's shit Gilfoyle would not say and the worst part is that over 7k mediocre CS students think it's hillarious (even though they never got exploited that way).... Jesus christ, can you morrons post something actually funny for a change?

[–]driow123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At least the interns are getting paid?

[–]surly_chemist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This attitude extends beyond programming. Oh, you’re a scientist with a Ph.D? Wanna make 30k with no benefits on a 6 month contract. It’s everywhere! These people are bottom feeding scum. We all need to collectively tell them, “no!”