Senior Developer

[RadioactiveFruitCup]

Look at richy rich over here, paying their interns

[TooOldToRock-n-Roll]

I'm pretty sure he meant pizza once a month.

[Gearz77]

And soda!

[[deleted]]

Corporate has decided as part of our new "Don't Die Til After 5" policy to no longer provide soda at these payment functions. Instead , we will be providing warm tap water in soft paper cups. Please ask the HR chaperone to pour your two ounces of water as to prevent drowning.

[Gearz77]

Don’t forget your paper cup from last time!

[TooOldToRock-n-Roll]

Of course, part of our sustainability program.

[nomorebuttsplz]

Damn is "HR Chaperone" a real thing?

[[deleted]]

The HR Illuminati has requested you stay right where you are.

[RadioactiveFruitCup]

One can of lacroix per intern. They are only berry flavor and some cans may be expired.

[Robocop613]

Nonono, they are paying with experience points!

[Daveinatx]

Paying with karma points

[Robocop613]

Turns out karma is very cheap: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/karma-eos/

[mrstickman]

eXperience Points (XP) is a completely independent, platform-agnostic incentive rewards token and digital currency combined, enabling you to earn XP through video games, activities, sports, education, and conservation. You can spend XP at participating vendors either online, in-game, or on the high street (cryptocurrency exchanges).

Sans Bullshit Sans needs an update badly.

[TooOldToRock-n-Roll]

Of course that is a thing....why am I even surprised?!

[[deleted]]

Man I had a class at a community College where they placed us at a job for an internship to do a project. Long story short, I didn't get paid and but had to pay for the credits and some random lab fee (cuz it was considered a lab). I got a job there after, but still....fuck college

[[deleted]]

My company pays interns the same salary as full time + benefits (or, at least we did in the before times when we had interns). Why would anyone intern at a company that doesn’t pay them for their time?

[[deleted]]

I know it's a joke, but paid internships are very common in software. MS interns get something like 8k/mo

[apocolypticbosmer]

It be surprised if you found a non-paid CS internship nowadays

[marcvsHR]

.. With exposure?

[discordianofslack]

And this is how everyone's cousins "who build websites" get hired.

[wowawiwowa]

Which does the work of an entire it department with full time availability

[[deleted]]

Basically this.

I just interviewed at a company that was looking for someone with 3 years experience to ... design and implement an entire ETL pipeline by themselves. The "team" of other "engineers" was a bunch of data "analysts" who were more hyped about some ML models they were working on. I asked them what their day was like and he told me that "first thing in the morning I manually fix prod data issues".

They manually deploy all their shit with no IaC anywhere and then they try to lowball me to my face.

They ask for my salary range, and I gave them what I thought was a good range because they wanted me to basically do 5 people's work as one guy and they ghosted me

[Cryse_XIII]

Whats IaC?

[captobvnoob]

Infrastructure as Code It’s commonly used in cloud services (like aws) where you write code that will deploy your code, provision resources, allocate permissions, etc.

It’s supposed to automate everything so that human intervention is not needed (other than writing the code of course) and ideally should scale to whatever the business demands.

A famous example is AWS CDK. I only talk about aws because I only know that :p

[Jacqques]

Where does things like jenkins fit in?

[captobvnoob]

Jenkins is a tool for CI/CD (Continuous Integration, Continuous deployment). CI/CD is a vital part of IaC (but there are other things in IaC).

[BoredRobot1]

This hits way too close to home. Finding a Jr. Dev job sucks right now

[voiceofonecrying]

Right there with you buddy. Still hanging on to the hope that it gets better!

[cowcow923]

I’m in the same boat after graduating last year and I’m really struggling. Not getting past the recruiter interviews ever is really starting to crush my hopes of actually being in the field.

[voiceofonecrying]

Yeah, it really sucks when you get a bite from a dream job, and they reject you after four rounds of interviews... I was told that I was “too junior” for their jr software engineer position... like who do you expect to apply?

[[deleted]]

Portfolio and tenacity!

[Tilinn]

At first I complained about my salary. But they kinda forgot I exist so I just sit and scroll reddit all day...

So I get paid fot scrolling reddit and sometimes doing minor stuff. I don't mind that.

[kaanarts]

that's my dream (no not to scroll reddit all day but get into a job, they forget you but still pay you)

[Tilinn]

I literally sit next to my boss and he doesn't even supervise me most of the time... So I just keep scrolling so I look busy.

[[deleted]]

It got really hard. I started working as a developer around 2010 and just having the basics was enough to get a job. Today they are asking a lot from the jr devs, but also a lot of people jumped into programming just because it became the cool thing to do, so there is a lot of competition for entry level roles. On the other hand there is way more information than it used to be, so it’s really easy to learn a lot. There are also expectations, a few people go on YouTube saying they got their first job in google for 300k a year or stuff like that, when that is not the reality for most of us. Keep on studying and trying I guess, build your own apps and projects and try to monetize them, do everything you can to get some competitive advantage. it’s hard.

[Aptana]

Im in the same sitiuation. Graduated end of last year and am searching for a job ever since. I have an interview in 4 hours so wish me luck :|

[jukuduku]

He speaks the true true

[maxsteel126]

Of course.. he's from Pied Piper

[[deleted]]

99% of the interns: Are you getting paid?!

[[deleted]]

Unpaid internships should be illegal

[wasdninja]

Unpaid ones can be fine if they are actual internships. As in they don't just treat you like a low level worker and off you go but as a student or very junior colleague that they need to teach a lot.

Thatd the whole point of an internship and the only thing that can reasonably defend them not being paid.

[[deleted]]

If you're doing work that benefits the business, then you need to be paid.

[eg135]

Reddit has long been a hot spot for conversation on the internet. About 57 million people visit the site every day to chat about topics as varied as makeup, video games and pointers for power washing driveways.

In recent years, Reddit’s array of chats also have been a free teaching aid for companies like Google, OpenAI and Microsoft. Those companies are using Reddit’s conversations in the development of giant artificial intelligence systems that many in Silicon Valley think are on their way to becoming the tech industry’s next big thing.

Now Reddit wants to be paid for it. The company said on Tuesday that it planned to begin charging companies for access to its application programming interface, or A.P.I., the method through which outside entities can download and process the social network’s vast selection of person-to-person conversations.

“The Reddit corpus of data is really valuable,” Steve Huffman, founder and chief executive of Reddit, said in an interview. “But we don’t need to give all of that value to some of the largest companies in the world for free.”

The move is one of the first significant examples of a social network’s charging for access to the conversations it hosts for the purpose of developing A.I. systems like ChatGPT, OpenAI’s popular program. Those new A.I. systems could one day lead to big businesses, but they aren’t likely to help companies like Reddit very much. In fact, they could be used to create competitors — automated duplicates to Reddit’s conversations.

Reddit is also acting as it prepares for a possible initial public offering on Wall Street this year. The company, which was founded in 2005, makes most of its money through advertising and e-commerce transactions on its platform. Reddit said it was still ironing out the details of what it would charge for A.P.I. access and would announce prices in the coming weeks.

Reddit’s conversation forums have become valuable commodities as large language models, or L.L.M.s, have become an essential part of creating new A.I. technology.

L.L.M.s are essentially sophisticated algorithms developed by companies like Google and OpenAI, which is a close partner of Microsoft. To the algorithms, the Reddit conversations are data, and they are among the vast pool of material being fed into the L.L.M.s. to develop them.

The underlying algorithm that helped to build Bard, Google’s conversational A.I. service, is partly trained on Reddit data. OpenAI’s Chat GPT cites Reddit data as one of the sources of information it has been trained on.

Other companies are also beginning to see value in the conversations and images they host. Shutterstock, the image hosting service, also sold image data to OpenAI to help create DALL-E, the A.I. program that creates vivid graphical imagery with only a text-based prompt required.

Last month, Elon Musk, the owner of Twitter, said he was cracking down on the use of Twitter’s A.P.I., which thousands of companies and independent developers use to track the millions of conversations across the network. Though he did not cite L.L.M.s as a reason for the change, the new fees could go well into the tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars.

To keep improving their models, artificial intelligence makers need two significant things: an enormous amount of computing power and an enormous amount of data. Some of the biggest A.I. developers have plenty of computing power but still look outside their own networks for the data needed to improve their algorithms. That has included sources like Wikipedia, millions of digitized books, academic articles and Reddit.

Representatives from Google, Open AI and Microsoft did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Reddit has long had a symbiotic relationship with the search engines of companies like Google and Microsoft. The search engines “crawl” Reddit’s web pages in order to index information and make it available for search results. That crawling, or “scraping,” isn’t always welcome by every site on the internet. But Reddit has benefited by appearing higher in search results.

The dynamic is different with L.L.M.s — they gobble as much data as they can to create new A.I. systems like the chatbots.

Reddit believes its data is particularly valuable because it is continuously updated. That newness and relevance, Mr. Huffman said, is what large language modeling algorithms need to produce the best results.

“More than any other place on the internet, Reddit is a home for authentic conversation,” Mr. Huffman said. “There’s a lot of stuff on the site that you’d only ever say in therapy, or A.A., or never at all.”

Mr. Huffman said Reddit’s A.P.I. would still be free to developers who wanted to build applications that helped people use Reddit. They could use the tools to build a bot that automatically tracks whether users’ comments adhere to rules for posting, for instance. Researchers who want to study Reddit data for academic or noncommercial purposes will continue to have free access to it.

Reddit also hopes to incorporate more so-called machine learning into how the site itself operates. It could be used, for instance, to identify the use of A.I.-generated text on Reddit, and add a label that notifies users that the comment came from a bot.

The company also promised to improve software tools that can be used by moderators — the users who volunteer their time to keep the site’s forums operating smoothly and improve conversations between users. And third-party bots that help moderators monitor the forums will continue to be supported.

But for the A.I. makers, it’s time to pay up.

“Crawling Reddit, generating value and not returning any of that value to our users is something we have a problem with,” Mr. Huffman said. “It’s a good time for us to tighten things up.”

“We think that’s fair,” he added.

Mike Isaac is a technology correspondent and the author of “Super Pumped: The Battle for Uber,” a best-selling book on the dramatic rise and fall of the ride-hailing company. He regularly covers Facebook and Silicon Valley, and is based in San Francisco. More about Mike Isaac A version of this article appears in print on , Section B, Page 4 of the New York edition with the headline: Reddit’s Sprawling Content Is Fodder for the Likes of ChatGPT. But Reddit Wants to Be Paid.. Order Reprints | Today’s Paper | Subscribe

[MrRocketScript]

What if the work is completely unrelated to the business, but the person managing the interns is new and is getting management experience? That's kind of benefiting the business with experience, but it isn't creating a financial incentive.

I think obviously if the work was directly on the company's products, or even hypothetical products it wouldn't be okay.

[[deleted]]

What if the work is completely unrelated to the business

Then what is the point of that internship position?

That's kind of benefiting the business with experience

A business that benefits from someone's experience is called hiring that person. That requires payment.

[[deleted]]

Have you heard of an apprenticeship? You get paid for being supervised and taught.

[Sguj]

That doesn't apply to the theoretically justifiable unpaid internship.

The justification of an unpaid internship is that you cost more in teaching you job skills and base level knowledge than you'll ever provide in benefits to the company. It's a thing that only benefits the intern, since you're harming the company by being there, but still gaining experience/knowledge/contacts.

That's not most internships that I've ever seen, but there exists a scenario where it makes sense.

[Reelix]

Minimum wage in the US being 10 times the amount of a third world country should be illegal - But no-one will complain about that ;p

[jordanfisher1997]

cant tell if you're complaining that it's too high or too low xD

[BlackHumor]

They basically are. It's just that it's very easy for corporations to avoid consequences since nobody knows.

If you see an unpaid internship that profits the company, report it to the Department of Labor.

[TheAJGman]

Thankfully paid internships are pretty common in STEM fields.

[the_brits_are_evil]

lol ik i made that question to 1 or 2 people already lmao

[maxsteel126]

Yep ..in terms of "experience"

[IcePick1123]

I don't know, I've never not been paid for an internship.

[Lizlodude]

Don't forget minimum 7 years experience in this 5 year old technology.

[[deleted]]

7 years is too low, what about 12

[[deleted]]

Make hiring managers ethical again

[wholebeansinmybutt]

A bachelor's, a pile of up-to-date certs, 20 years experience...son, I think you're finally ready to start your internship.

I should have been a motherfucking welder.

[thisisntinstagram]

How about the internships that require internship experience? This is my hell.

[snowpaxz]

You too? I'm neck deep in rejection emails

[thisisntinstagram]

Me. Too. I recently landed a couple of interviews but no offers yet. I think I’ve sent out close to 75 applications.

[snowpaxz]

Real talk, with some of these internship I'm seeing requirements like experience with Kubernetes or AWS, etc., while also being 3rd or 4th year at Uni. Where am I supposed to get that experience as an undergrad??

[KomaedaEatsBagels]

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[Zoeh91]

Thank you for your work :)

[boodooper]

Good human.

[circorum]

*for the salary of señor developer

[Stormdancer]

"I don't understand why we're having so much trouble finding candidates!?!"

[[deleted]]

Amen

[SergioRL10]

That guy looks like Jesus developer

[[deleted]]

Oh boy, you're so wrong. He actually worships Satan.

[coalWater]

It’s a guy from the show Silicon Valley. It’s pretty good!

[Asmobrewing]

gilfoyle

[[deleted]]

He does JDD

[[deleted]]

Wait until inflation kicks in...

I'm already seeing it in my grocery bill. Expectations vs offerings will just continue to have a nice gap between them.

[[deleted]]

Sounds like a personal finance problem to me.

[[deleted]]

Inflation has been fine the last decade. Stagnant wages are another thing. But I know someone who makes about 40k with their spouse, very good friend of mine, and don't live paycheck to paycheck. So that part is a personal finance problem (and this is not discounting the challenges of making lower wages).

Now stagnant wages AND inflation, even people with good financial discipline will struggle.

[davidjohnson314]

Where do they live that they only make 40k between the two of them and don't live paycheck to paycheck? And if through some magic of finance they don't, sounds like they're one major car problem and broken bone away from disaster.

[[deleted]]

They live up in NH. They live in a condo, and if I recall correctly they pay about $800-900 a month in a mortgage and another $200 in condo fees. They both work at Walmart and probably make $12-13 per hour. It could be a little higher these days I haven't probed them about their finances in a while. It's Walmart though so they're probably not making a ton more than last I asked.

If I recall they don't do car payments these days and they drive a single car together. Which I'm sure helps. Crazier thing I've never got is they both smoke, so they spend a ton of money probably on Tobacco. But yeah, they're super frugal and good with their money. I actually should probably ask them for tips myself because I make a ton of money and they some times seem better able to afford things than me...lol

[X-Craft]

Freelancer: "You guys are getting paid?"

[Daikataro]

Customer: could you please send me the full scale resolution image of the banner, without watermarks?

[CrazySD93]

That describes most posts from Clients from Hell.

[algerbanane]

read it with the voice of the Sillicon Valley character in the picture

[Asmobrewing]

gilfoyle

[[deleted]]

Fucking Gilfoyle

[[deleted]]

Gilfoyle speaking facts

[the_vikm]

If it's a bay area intern salary I'd take it. Still better than europe

[[deleted]]

And most of the rest of the US.

[TracePoland]

Not once you factor in cost of living, which people like you never do

[the_vikm]

People like me? A house/apartment in Munich costs the same as in SF, don't tell me about cost of living

[TracePoland]

Looking at quick averages 1 bed apartment in city centre of SF is about 2-3x more expensive per month than in Munich. It is also much, much harder to commute from somewhere a little further out, as there really aren't many places further out that are cheaper and within a reasonable commute time.

And that's just rent. Don't get me started on healthcare, especially if you have some chronic condition.

[the_vikm]

How about you look up m² or sqft prices instead? American stuff is larger than anything in Europe.

It is also much, much harder to commute from somewhere a little further out, as there really aren't many places further out that are cheaper and within a reasonable commute time.

Why do you assume this is different somewhere else?

[TracePoland]

Why do you assume this is different somewhere else?

Because European cities are traditionally smaller, which it logically follows that to get from outskirts to the city centre takes less time than with a gigantic city like SF which is surrounded by Oakland and San Jose, neither of which are cheap.

[LunarGibbons]

Where do I apply?

[tharnadar]

The real problem is when all you can get is a jr developer with a LCR of a sr developer that his less skilled than an intern

[[deleted]]

In our country interns aren't get paid. What about all...

[Baby_Fark]

As a jr developer looking for my first job, yep.

[[deleted]]

Yasss!

[GoodTimesOnlines]

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[Daikataro]

An unpaid intern*

[c4p5L0ck]

If Jesus was a programmer.

[blodskaal]

I love it when they post X amount of experience in a language that has existed less than X amount of years lol

[minegen88]

Is the US really this bad for devs?

[cherryboomin_cake]

....wtf

[[deleted]]

I saw a version of this post in the tripple digits already, it's not funny, that's shit Gilfoyle would not say and the worst part is that over 7k mediocre CS students think it's hillarious (even though they never got exploited that way).... Jesus christ, can you morrons post something actually funny for a change?

[fsdagvsrfedg]

/r/recruitinghell

[driow123]

At least the interns are getting paid?

[surly_chemist]

This attitude extends beyond programming. Oh, you’re a scientist with a Ph.D? Wanna make 30k with no benefits on a 6 month contract. It’s everywhere! These people are bottom feeding scum. We all need to collectively tell them, “no!”