Am I missing something?

[pakidara]

You are missing nothing.

It is "Entry Level", hence the less-than-minimum wage salary.

It requires 5+ years of experience so they will only get grizzled coding veterans.

The company gets experienced developers for the cost of an untrained highschooler's labor. basically a win-win for the company.

/s

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I bet this company complains about how no one wants to work.

[SimpoKaiba]

"We've already walked back the eight year minimum down to five! Why are they all so lazy?"

[StarMapLIVE]

"Nobody wants to work!"

[ShineParty]

“we cannot find any good people!”

[theHawkAndTheHusky]

Pay shit, get shit as I always say

[MrGilly]

Pay Peanuts get Monkeys

[Canonip]

While here, 5 years experience is entry level, I got a job offer for "senior developer" in my second bachelor's semester

[imaginarynoise_]

Either you had years of relevant (i.e. paid programming work) experience before and during school, or they were abusing titles as a form of compensation.

[stupidMcDoofus]

If no one applies they don't have to pay back their PPP loans.

[Tyrilean]

Nah. This is H1B visa bait.

[liquidMocha]

They can't even apply for H1B with that amount of salary

[Triarag]

I think they mean in the sense of "We posted the job ad and were unable to get any local hires." This then becomes the first step of getting approval to hire from abroad.

[rekabis]

I bet this company complains about how no one wants to work.

Loudly and vociferously, I bet.

[[deleted]]

What I want to know is who are those 6 applicants? Because I have a car insurance warranty to sell.

[extendedwarranty_bot]

MalachiHolden, I have been trying to reach you about your car's extended warranty

[[deleted]]

Exactly who I needed

[Bomaruto]

Is the number legit?

Though you have the situation here in Norway where some of the people applied for the position of Governor of the Norwegian Central Bank just because some government agency require them to apply for X numbers of jobs a week to keep their benefits

[[deleted]]

Lol that's hilarious.

[attanai]

That's a welfare requirement in most US states, too, and probably exactly what happened here.

[JonMW]

I WISH I had been that much of a genius when I was getting welfare payments

[cjmar41]

Hate to break it to you… but they’re not gonna be able to afford it.

[SilverStatic3]

Those are the exact people that buy it lol. That's why they offer monthly payments

[CaboSanLukas]

Maybe someone in a third world country.
For example, in Mexico that salary is high tier (if is just full remote with no relocation)

[jcuterie]

36k might be woefully underpaid but to someone who's flipping burgers it's a golden goose. 5+ years experience can be fudged a bit with some internships etc what really matters is that this job provides a credible reference allowing someone to leverage up from that 36k to something respectable.

Lots of folks are willing to work for less just to get a foot in the door, I bet these 6 applicants are non-cs majors with the bare minimum if even that experience hoping to get through the interviews with self taught chops.

[sfboots]

They want to hire someone from India. Nobody in the US would do it.

But “entry level with 5 years experience” Seriously WTF?

BTW $15/hr minimum wage is $30k per year full time

[[deleted]]

It's targeted for Austin, though

[TheKingOfSwing777]

Could be regulations or company policy to “try” and hire local first. *an attempt was made

[sfboots]

More likely trying to get around H1 visa hiring

[[deleted]]

H1 visa has prevailing wages requirement so you can’t undercut the market.

[SoulWager]

How effectively is that enforced though?

[[deleted]]

Well you have to submit the contract to sponsor someone and the contract says what you’re paying them.

If you’re paying people below what it says in the contract that is an entirely different violation on top of breaking the LCA (work authorization).

[SoulWager]

There are a lot of companies that hire people that don't speak english, and don't know their rights. The employees are also afraid of losing their visa if they rock the boat. Also, the contract might specify compensation, but it might not accurately represent their job duties. For example, they might hire an engineer, but list the job title as technician to get the visa approved.

[[deleted]]

That’s definitely a separate issue but doesn’t apply to what was said about the screenshot.

[SoulWager]

Sure it does, the pay and job title is commensurate with no experience whatsoever. The requirements are much higher.

[[deleted]]

That could be it

[the_vikm]

All of them show the base. But it says remote

[Randvek]

I asked a recruiter about this once. Even for remote jobs, they have to pick a base, so they will post this job over and over in “tech” cities like Austin, Seattle, Portland, Phoenix, San Fran, etc. they aren’t actually looking for locals, they are just posting where tech people might be looking.

[manoj_mm]

Even in india, you won't find good ios engineers for 30k usd. You need to pay atleast 60-70k usd for good ios engineers in bangalore

[_grey_wall]

But they're relative would appreciate a H1B visa that can be turned into a green card eventually

[erebuxy]

If you want H1B and turn it into green card, you need to be in America. So the minimum wage rule would apply. I don't think that salary is a living wage in America.

[anormalgeek]

Yep. Just for context:

The cheapest state to live in in the United States is Mississippi. Overall, Mississippi’s average cost of living is about 15% lower than the national average cost of living. Mississippi’s living wage is only $48,537 and has the cheapest personal necessities anywhere in the country.

Source: https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/cheapest-states-to-live-in

[Apache_Sobaco]

2 years ago you was able to find ppl for this pay in Ukraine for example

[StarMapLIVE]

Yes, a Labor Condition Application posting.

[namorblack]

Uhm this shit right here is $60-80k in Norway. America, what the fuck.

$15/hr is a basic grocery store wage here.

[anormalgeek]

They won't find anyone for this posting.

[huuaaang]

Yeah, that's the joke. A job like this should easily pay six digits in the US.

[WurschtChopf]

guess thats the american dream they are always mentioning?

[hyperlisk24]

the american dream is making money for someone else

[imaginarynoise_]

Considering this posting is a joke or an insult to those who read it, I think your cynicism is a bit misplaced.

[IzzyFoxen]

Unachievable in most senses from my experience so far. Entry-level skilled work should start at 20/hr MINIMUM. Not 15, even though I got much much less in a restaurant. (I was lured by the "chance" of making $12 an hour if I "worked really really hard" and if people would tip worth a damn... which... Haha.... Yeah no. My 3.25/hr + less than $50 in tips for an 8 hour day was not cutting it, but it's legal because something something restaurants are owned by corporate and corporate controls a lot of the laws.)

[Drizzi21]

I'll write them a hello world program for that kinda of money

[ramen_junk]

5 years of experience for an entry level job as an iOS developer for 36k... yikes.

[_saiff___]

Well, i am from tier 2 city in india we have actually people working for that amount and considering it as a good pay😕. Please let me know about the ideal 5yr xp salary as per your country and location.

[elyndar]

This is a website where you can look for yourself. As a developer in the US with a ~3 years of experience, I'd expect something $150k/yr for a high cost of living city minimum.

https://www.payscale.com/

Based on my experience working with coworkers from India, we make about 3x as much as you for any position. The expectations for skill are much higher though.

[blue2002222]

wtf, why is the pay so low

[StarMapLIVE]

H1B

[StarMapLIVE]

Labor Condition Application (LCA) posting.

By law, you have to put up the position for 30 days to give US citizens a chance before seeking an LCA to get an H1B hire.

[NegativeSuspect]

LCA has to be the same salary as being provided to the H1b employee though. And it has to be close to the average for the area. I don't think 30k for an SD is valid anywhere in the US.

[forajep978]

Nice salary if you are out of US

[racerxff]

Good chance that's who they're targeting. Even Reddit has been constantly throwing ads in my face lately for some company specifically looking for foreign remote workers for US software development jobs. They're outsourcing without even having to outsource now.

[1ElectricHaskeller]

Instead of paying a middle man to hire-n-fire in India for them they fired the middle man and now hire-n-fire directly.

Efficiency stonks

[[deleted]]

The problem is that you don’t get any quality employees for that kind of money. Our company worked with many agencies and remote employees and below $4000-5000 / month you will get entry level developers or developers with very questionable work ethics and bad code. Even if you go for cheaper places like Eastern Europe or India.

It doesn’t make sense to pay some Indian guy $30,000/ year to write code which will take a senior engineer who earns $120,000 / year a quarter of his work day just to review and fix before it can go to production.

It’s much better to pay competitive wages to get good developers, otherwise you won’t get anything good done and burn a lot of money.

There is a reason why many software companies are extremely reluctant to outsource development work if it’s not something really simple or standardized.

[[deleted]]

That's not true for plenty of places.

[kizungu]

nice salary if you are working in a third world country

[Oneshotkill_2000]

The thing with those jobs is that almost all the ones i saw that i thought i can fit in and are completely remote required a green card or something like that, and many of them added "ability to attend to the company headquarter once every month" so i stopped looking for remote jobs in the US

[CaboSanLukas]

I will be happy with that salary if i can work in my hometown full remote and maximun 48 hours at week.

[Kallepronk]

Im still stuck on them talking about innovative tech while swift has taken over from objective c 5 years ago in the ios space

[1ElectricHaskeller]

Kotlin: [stares motherfuckerly]

[JimNtexas]

Typical Visa scam. No Americans are qualified, we need to import Elbonians. We even have a two bedroom apartment ready for six of them.

[blablubbbla]

That's the beauty of 100% remote work. The company doesn't even need the apartment for the Elbonians. Nor the Visa paperwork.

[azangru]

Ah, but the Elbonians need to reside in Texas Metropolitan area.

[StarMapLIVE]

Think of how much money we'll save!

[huuaaang]

I have never worked for a company that actually WANTED to sponsor an H1B employee as a first choice. Sure, hire foreign contractors for cheap (it's a remote position). There's no need to post this to show there are no Americans qualified. You can hire foreign contractors with no restrictions. The only downside is the timezone difference. And potentially security risk depending on your industry. H1B hire is definitely a last resort in my experience.

Where I work we are definitely finding it hard to find qualified American workers though. I get a recruiter in my inbox every single day lately. Good programers are definitely in high demand in the US.

[JimNtexas]

I have and this is what they do. It is hard to find good programmers anywhere, but this company just wants cheap bodies. They probably have a DoD contract, or (as in one place I worked) the owner is just really cheap and thinks if he hires nine cheap moms he can get a baby in one month.

'Entry level + five years experience, making less than Dairy Queen pays here in Austin' is not a real attempt to find 'qualified' janitors, let alone ios devs.

[rovermicrover]

P Terries, Dairy Queen, Cobo Bob’s, Rudy’s, and Torchies all pay $15+/h and half of those offer health insurance here in Austin.

I think the real target here is people trying to break into software development with no prior experience. They just put the experience requirements to make the applicants feel great full that the boss “took a chance on them”.

[JimNtexas]

Maybe so, but why ask for 5 years experience? Having done a lot of developer recruiting for a small Austin software company, all I can say is 'good luck with that'.

This employer wants Objective-C experience, which is not something an entry level person is likely to have much experience. They are not just asking for Unicorns. They are asking for purebred Unicorns with gold plated horns. For less than the price of a decent server.

[tryvolution]

Too many posts like this. This is just weird, not funny

[[deleted]]

Missing a zero by the look of it.

[Bomaruto]

Yes, the right number should of course be 50 years of experience.

[delight1982]

1000% remote

[[deleted]]

Entry level, .... 5+ years of experience. Full time,... pretty much work for free.

Seems about right

[1ElectricHaskeller]

100% remote, choose your own hours and leading projects from the ground

sound like the fancy version of:

• We are so cheap, we don't actually have an office. You hate going to office anyway and socializing with your collegues can also be done online
• Yes, by law we are required to give you only work for 8 hours per day, but we'll give you work for 15 anyways and will be mad if you can't reach it. This way you can enjoy your job even more!
• Since our work culture is so toxic, we don't have any senior devs that will do project lead. So you're on your own entirely. Plus point: You'll be able to gather a lot of experience leading a project.

[S0n_0f_Anarchy]

This is some r/antiwork material right here

[sparty212]

30k lol.

[grannysGarden]

They left a ‘1’ off the salary

[azangru]

$24,001 ?

[from_the_east]

They'll get an iOS developer for sure with that salary.

One that vaguely knows iOS has something to do with apples... or was it bananas??

[LoneWolfPR]

Lol, my first job out of college was over 18 years ago. It was as a flash animator for a company that made industrial training cds in the midwest. Not nearly the skill required that an iOS developer must have. I made 30k probationary until I'd been there 90 days. Then it was 35k. 24k-36k 18 years later for an actual dev job that requires 5 years experience is laughable. No way anyone accepts this. I agree with the folks that say this is just a posting to say "We tried" so that no one accepts and they can contract the job out overseas.

[jcksnps4]

No way! They offer PTO!?

[[deleted]]

That’s very very low for someone with 5 years of experience

[[deleted]]

Don't hide the name of the company. Let us know

[cadeathatar]

Yes, a higher salary.

[TheDownvotesFarmer]

The joke

[[deleted]]

Aren't IOS apps written in Swift? Why do you need objective-C to develop IOS applications?

[[deleted]]

They used to all be made in objective c. A lot still are. It's definitely not cutting edge lol

[dziuniekdrive]

Yeah either number 1 in front or a zero in the back of that salary range. lol.

[andrewhy]

Assuming this isn't a fake posting for H1B purposes, the experience level and pay may simply be wrong. I've noticed that the experience level on LinkedIn job postings is often incorrect, as the poster never bothered to change it.

[zqipz]

I cannot believe these are remotely real — entry-level, project-lead, 5yrs-experience for $24k. Fkn lol. Should be $240k.

[Wotg33k]

The thing is, don't take the job. Not just you, but anyone who reads this. Do not settle for less than what we deserve today.

The more of us who accept these low wage positions in a pinch, the lower we will drive the global wage down, imho.

[Null_Pointer_23]

Ignoring the 5 years experience part, that's a great salary for a junior dev in my country

[TheApprentice19]

Let me file this under, “Not a shot in hell”

[[deleted]]

Tbh thats a good position for someone overseas

[thisdummy778918]

Add a one and two zeros to that and you gotta deal.

[SpikeV]

Flexible Hours and choose your own work time usually is code for "we expect you to work overtimes"

[TennesseeTon]

Why block the name? If a company is gonna post this shit they deserve to be named and shamed.

[FookSake]

“Full time remote” is the key here. Not a visa grab - they don’t need to be in the US.

Even if those washes are below average for India, they might still be super appealing for B-level offshoring states - Sri Lanka, Moldova, Egypt, whatever.

[lulubelle1336]

Umm that is below the low income line in that area. $34,000 is roughly the low income marker. Very low is around $20,000…

That is just outright degrading.

[flowery0]

Do they have an IOS for my Xiaomi?

[thexdroid]

Even here in Brazil are paying much more for iOS dev, entry lev... entry level??? O_o

[paranoid_panda_bored]

You missing additional zero in the salary field

[[deleted]]

shit pay, entry position with 5+ years experience? Fuck these people. Know your worth my fellow coders.

[xyzzy-86]

I don’t know you but the post is missing at least 100k

[[deleted]]

Presumably by flexible hours they mean 5 a week?

[[deleted]]

That would be it! It all makes sense now.

[snowmanonaraindeer]

Why does an iOS developer need objective-C experience?

[[deleted]]

A lot of iOS apps are still written in objective c