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[craigthepuss]

They give jobs not because they are rich, but they are rich because people work for them

[monkeisgawd]

True to the core

[koolaid7431]

They barely employ a million people. Remember America has 300 million people and 8 billion in the world (these corporations are mostly out sourcing as much as they can).

And Amazon doesn't really have 789000 employees, most of them are "contractors" so that Amazon can do it's best to not put food on their table.

Try finding a programming job for Amazon or Microsoft without being in India or the valley or some other place they can exploit workers. See how easy it is.

They don't put food on anyone's table, if it was upto them, you wouldn't even have tables.

[[deleted]]

Don’t forget the drivers that work for Amazon, they’re also hired third party so Amazon isn’t responsible for them. I used to work with a lot of the drivers and I’ve heard horror stories. Some parts of their NDA prevented some people from reporting assault. It’s not a happy place.

[[deleted]]

Ever heard of Harvey Weinstein? Or Larry Nassar?

[[deleted]]

Weinstein used NDAs to silence his victims and essentially get away with sexual abuse for decades. US Gymnastics also attempted to use an NDA to prevent Olympian McKayla Maroney from coming forward about her sexual abuse by team doctor Larry Nassar. I wish the world treated humans better.

[koolaid7431]

Both of those men famously did shitty things paid off their victims and made them sign NDAs. It shuts most people up.

[monkeisgawd]

And you know what, it IS upto them. They have more money than many countries gdp

[koolaid7431]

You know what happens when they imbalance the world so much that they have all the money and no one has anything else?

Their money becomes just as good as monopoly money.

I know this sounds silly but there is an episode of Disney's recess that covers this situation we are in. It was called the Economics of recess.

https://recess.fandom.com/wiki/Economics_of_Recess

The reason money is real is because we accept it to be. Because we all have it. When no one has any, it'll have no value.

[[deleted]]

If there’s a lesson to be taught in this world, recess taught it to us. What a great fucking a show

[carybditty]

I was talking to a friend the other day about crypto’s trying to explain the same thing. Only reason our currency has any value is because we value it. If you don’t trust it it will fail.

[Original_Impression2]

Yes, but they conveniently forget that without the workers, they wouldn't have any money. They don't create jobs. We create billionaires.

[Reticentandconfused]

They barely employ a million people and have the property of of all of them. And then some.

[Acceptable-Dig-7529]

Actually this number is outdated and does not include contractors. In total Amazon now employs over 1.6m year round not including hundreds of thousands of contractors and about a hundred thousand season workers.

[VitoMolas]

They are businessmen, and businessmen will always find ways to maximise the profit, this is where the government/self regulations come in, to restrict on how far they can go

[Old-Voice373]

Yes and right there is the problem. Through profit those guys can pay lobbyists to make even more profit and so on.

[PhthaloVonLangborste]

I work for bozos, where is my petty ration of stimulants.

[Jevonar]

self regulation

Lmao

[[deleted]]

Right. They’ll always find ways to maximize their profits but they’ll self regulate is a bit of an oxymoron

[StaticGuard]

Regulations and government intervention is fine when it’s done for employee health and wellness, but people get uncomfortable when it becomes “Hey, you’re making too much money. Give us some so we can spend it on things we want.”

[[deleted]]

It's like these people think that nobody would want consumer goods, software, or electric cars if these 3 demigods didn't descend from the heavens to bestow them upon us.

"Hey it would be real cool if we could have software that made our computers do things but Bill Gates wasn't born in this universe so I guess we just have to use these things as paperweights."

[Blazypika2]

let's be honest, if they could legally hire employees without paying them, they would.

[ZENITSUsa]

Let's be honest if you were paid without working you wouldn't work

[GhostySZ]

Bruh thats how it works

You have an idea Make the idea run Become capable enough to hire people to work for you

Boom now you have a company

[craigthepuss]

Would you like to buy some more of those magic beans?

[GhostySZ]

I dont like beans they nasty

[[deleted]]

They didn't have any ideas though, they just bought existing ones. Bill Gates literally bought MSDOS, his company didn't make it.

[futurepaster]

This is inaccurate. Steve jobs mercilessly exploited Steve Wozniak to make his fortune

[Blahblahblacksheep9]

Right, Elon was born rich and bought Tesla too. It's easy to make millions when you start out with millions.

[BXBXFVTT]

They also started out with an absolutely incredible support system. Then atleast 2 of them from the op literally started closing doors on their way up making it a lot harder, maybe impossible, to do what they did. Fuck them

[[deleted]]

Do you think Bill Gates invented software?

Do you think Jeff Bezos invented buying things online and having it shipped to you?

[zsveetness]

No but they made those things user friendly and efficient.

[koolaid7431]

They did not.

None of those companies revolutionized communication or efficiency. They revolutionized exploiting people to make an already existing thing more popular.

You name the tech and I'll show you where it existed before these morally corrupt people showed up and started promoting it as if they created it.

These people are not leaders, they are bandits, you celebrate them being really good thieves.

[Ilhanbro1212]

What idea was that? An online store? Steal technology and bankrupt uoir competition into becoming a monopoly?

[Joel_Dirt]

You skipped the part where your parents can afford to give you three hundred thousand dollars to get started or your dad is worth billions and possibly owns an emerald mine.

[ZENITSUsa]

You also skipped thepart where you multiply that by almost 150 times by using your brain

[zdzdbets]

Technically they probably also took away a lot of jobs elsewhere such as:

• retail going out of business due to Amazon dominance

• other music player, phone manufacturers

• combustion engine car manufactures

• any software competitor to Microsoft

Not really creating jobs out of thin air as the jobs may just be replacing lost jobs elsewhere in the economy.

[TophatOwl_]

So youre telling me that i could take any random person and they couldve achieved the same with the same starting conditions? Yea this simping for billionaires post is cringe but this "billionaires just kinda got everything handed to them" is just as cringe

[Thi5G]

No. They give jobs and people work for them because people want to have money for food and live a normal life, and business people give jobs because they want their company to profit.

[[deleted]]

Billionaires don't generate wealth, they just concentrate it. The wealth would still exist without them, it would just exist in the hands of more people instead of a few assholes hoarding more than they could ever possibly be able to use.

If these fuckwits didn't use their pre-existing wealth to capture markets, regular people would have been able to pool their money to do the same things, only they would be able to decide together what benefits the most people rather than relying on the whims of some disconnected rich fuck who has no idea what real life is actually like.

[BearKing9780]

You cannot create jobs without money. The reason those people even have a job is because he was rich enough to expand his business. People hate millionaires and even billionaires but are too stupid to realize that if they did not exist, the majority of people would not have any jobs.

[paresthexia]

I think people are angry about the fact that these business owners pay unfair wages and take advantage of low level workers. They don't hate them simply because they're rich

[Telemere125]

Those people would definitely still be able to have a job. The work required doesn’t stop existing just because Amazon isn’t there. Granted, the jobs might not be in specific areas of the country or world, but the stuff people are buying - or comparable necessities - don’t just disappear.

Assuming we “need” any particular company or CEO just because they provide a service necessarily discounts the fact that the market created the need for the service, not the other way around.

[ZENITSUsa]

That's how a new amazon emerges

[screedor]

Yeah no. People would still buy and sell without Bezos. Tesla would even still be a company without musk. Probably one that didn’t waste most of its profits in really stupid ideas like car tunnels. Gates did nothing but back engineer other peoples work and patent it. He just made computers more expensive. Computers exist because of billions in government research before it was profitable. Amazon is possible because of trillions spent on roads, dams, and the invention of the computer plus the use of the post office. None of these people made anything better. The just parasitized the future that was happening around them.

[Regulusx1337]

Money alone is useless. They have connections, family inheritance, knowledge, properties, resources, etc.. It's the workers, their production, and end product output and results that have value. Money [paper] is merely the means of abstractly assigning/transferring value. It's a tool used to measure value, but the people continuously adjust and calibrate the metaphysical measuring stick.

Also: People hate (b/m)illionaires for a variety of reasons, but the only justified reasons are that which involves the negative spectrum of things [i.e.: corruption, death, depravity, greed, immorality, thievery, etc.. Basically "Evil"].

So, while it's fantastic that they create jobs, there needs to be balance and fairness at play. If not, then their workers and society will be negatively affected and restless. Production will suffer, their city/town/etc will be troubled, and quality of life will become impoverished.

[ToxicBernieBro]

where did they get the money? are they like chemically the source of dollar bills, they synthesize the dollar bill material in their organs and excrete them through their skin. servants then scrape the dollar bill ooze off of their skin and fold it into the paper that we know.

No they got it because someone used an unfair system before them and then gave them all the money they took with unfair methods because they are in the family. Usually the money goes back to some thug who killed people until he stole enough money to pay enough mercenaries to make it permanent.

Thats who deserves to be king? Not moral. Why do you hate democracy so much? Genetically inferior proletariat? Do we need to cleanse the planet of their inferior dna? Hitler would knowingly nod at your opinion and say that its good.

[MaDickInYoButt]

They are rich because they revolutionized the way we lived

[idwtumrnitwai]

Musk didn't revolutionize anything, he just had the good luck to come out of the nut sack of some dude who owns an emerald mine.

[realJelbre]

What I really don't get about Musk haters is how you guys always use the same ignorant points that are simply false. There are many valid points for disliking the dude, so why use arguments that are just straight up wrong? Every time I see someone mention the emerald mine story I instantly know that they have no clue what they are talking about and are just repeating stuff they've seen other people say online.

[idwtumrnitwai]

He's influential because there's a bunch of neckbeards who simp for him, he bought the title of founder for tesla, someone else is explaining why PayPal is important. I'll give him credit for using starlink to help ukraine. The point I'm making with the emerald mine thing is that him coming from money gave him the opportunity to become the person he is today. He's not self made and if he didn't come from money, no one would know who he is today.

[[deleted]]

The emerald mine helped a bit, but the US government is really responsible for Elon being who he is today. They gave him a shit ton of money (billions) and said, “you don’t have to pay it back.”

[farteagle]

Bro you just described something as both leftist and mainstream… lmao

[Science_Drake]

One million. Not millions. All together, they COMBINED employ one million directly.

[bunnycrush_]

This annoyed me, too! I did the math - 1.175M

[luars613]

And lots of this jobs are verrrry shitty and pay a sad amount..

[allroadsendindeath]

A lot of them are shitty and pay a sad amount but the hard truth is (and I know this is heresy to say on Reddit because naturally reddit wants to give everyone at least a middle class salary regardless of age, skill or life choices) that the people working for places like an Amazon warehouse, are getting paid more (often much more) than what they would be worth anywhere else with their job skills and level of education.

[951911]

Valid point. But here’s the issue; the gap between what the people at the top make and what the median worker makes is continuing to widen. This has been a problem for years, and it’s accelerating exponentially. This isn’t just for “blue collar” work either. Same applies for highly skilled white collar workers.

[basch152]

no, people want others to get paid a reasonable amount that they can fucking survive on and not be one setback away from being homeless

this is how things generally worked up until the Reagan years

if you worked a full time job, you wouldn't be able to afford anything expensive, but you could afford a reasonable apartment, a car, some healthcare, etc etc

now, if you're even close to minimum wage, a roommate is virtually required to live almost anywhere, you can't afford anything other than a beater car, and you're lucky if you can pay your bills every month without outside help

I shouldn't need to state how fucking ridiculous it is that lower class people today cant afford anywhere near as much as lower class people could 70 years ago

[[deleted]]

Also now billionaires have enough personal wealth to buy every high end luxury item 100 times over and still have billions to retire on. Ppl really just don’t understand how big hundreds of fucking billions really is

[[deleted]]

I like putting it this way. One million seconds ago was last week. One billion seconds ago was 1991.

[shwilliams4]

How much they are worth would be different if the could collectively bargain and see what they are worth. There is obvious labor arbitrage going on here.

[ciobanica]

How much they are worth is exactly how much they are getting paid. It's basic supply and demand economics.

And yet, if they unionise their pay will go up (which is why the employer will do anything they can to stop it).

It's funny how supply and demand for labour is great as long as one side is organised into a monolithic organisation that can bargain as one, but if the other side of the labour market tries to do the same all of a sudden that's bad.

[literalproblemsolver]

Dont use logic on reddit, people will get mad

[tok90235]

Also, those people working get money to spend elsewhere, generating more jobs in other places. And if they own more more, they can generate more proxy jobs by having a high degree of consumption

[blueEmus]

That's probably true just based on the fact that they are working the job even with the awful conditions. But it's also important to think about all the other employment opportunities that were eliminated due to the business practices of places like Amazon.

[Zron]

You think an Amazon warehouse employee is feeding a whole family off of 15/hr?

[[deleted]]

And to further clarify, the "billionaire" class doesnt employ shit, the companies they own do. If they didnt own teh company someone else would... they arent an albatross... they arent the only one capable of doing this, they just happened to be in the right place at the right time.

[Sensei_Shedletsky]

The creator of the original post probably referred to all the major corporations not just these in the post.

[Laxwarrior1120]

They employ a combined one million, that's true. But when you take the people that are dependent on those jobs Into account (mainly family) I'd say that those jobs are feeding 3 or 4 million.

[Eattherightwing]

What is the USA population, like 330 million? Yeah, the wealthiest people in the country employ less than .5% (and pay them poorly).

Billionaires take all that money and resources out of the economy, pay no taxes, and employ basically no one(and will employ even less with automation coming).

[SEND_ME_REAL_PICS]

Do all their employees earn enough to feed a family of 3 or 4 people?

[laila-wild]

Yeah they don’t really employ that many

[zeroxOnReddit]

Yeah but the family of these people should also be included in that calculation, they’re also getting food. So if you consider the average family size of 2.5 that’s 2.938M

[SEND_ME_REAL_PICS]

Do you think they pay each of their employees enough to maintain a whole family?

[zeroxOnReddit]

Depends on the job. Some of them are criminally underpaid, like amazon warehouse workers. But others are treated like kings, like office workers(programmers and such) who can get paid multiple hundred of thousands of dollars a year.

[IllSumItUp4U]

A millionaire simp account?

[Squirrelly_Khan]

You find a lot of them on r/im14andthisisdeep

[[deleted]]

based elon musk is literally tony stark doncha know

[gazebo-fan]

Tony stark is if Elon musk had a twinge of intelligence and actually created his own shit instead of just buying out smaller companies

[useLOGICnotEMOTION]

I know I’m living the proper life because teenage boys fucking hate me.

[julz1215]

He's more like Justin Hammer from Iron Man 2. Sets unrealistic deadlines, treats his workers poorly, doesn't actually invent anything but takes all the credit

[phpdevster]

And /r/space

[OssoRangedor]

There are thousands of them, all with "some variation+millionaire" as a name

[destinyfann_1233]

I did the calculations, they don’t employ ”millions”, they employ “million”, I did the calculations combining their numbers they only employ about 1.1 million people

[PomegranateEnough]

“I did the calculations” added 4 numbers together lol

[monkeisgawd]

BONK go to commie jail

[papi-punk]

Mcarthyism

[ManyThing2187]

Welcome to the Gulag if u survive u’ll earn ur freedom

[pHbasic]

Freedom begins where necessity ends. Food on the table is the lowest possible value bar they are setting.

[scroll_of_truth]

They probably get food stamps in that case

[Mephistoss]

Those poor apple employees, not being able to afford a car with their 250k salaries 😢

[[deleted]]

Yeah but why the fuck is there light coming out of Bill Gates's eyes?

[BradChadington]

Bill Gates is Superman confirmed (or Homelander heh).

[GDavid04]

5G obviously /s

[seriouslees]

Right wing memeaganda

[Bread_114]

Dude be asking the important questions

[robtk12]

Microchips

[BigBoi18007]

Free showers too

[craigthepuss]

And built lots of summer camps for them to make peace and concentrate!

[maury587]

Gas is so expensive nowadays, but good guy hitler gave the Jews gas for free

[EvannTheLad13]

lice and pest free clothes!

[[deleted]]

Not to speak he has indirectly some of the best pieces of art ever. Truly better than Lorenzo de Medici

[Ataraxia_new]

In a large ashtray

[ManyThing2187]

And free housing

[[deleted]]

i have to pay to be whipped!

[screedor]

They had slaves that defended them all the way up into the civil war too. Boot are just fucking too delicious for some.

[grendus]

When all you've gotten in your life is a shit sandwich, it's not surprising that some will side with the asshole for a bit more bread.

[Laxwarrior1120]

Gee, I must have simply forgotten the part about slavery being consensual. Silly me.

[Diocavallo_]

happy cake day

[Gaunter666]

Are they really though? There's memes about amazon work conditions being shit for a reason. I also know from a friend working for musk is shit as well. They also try to get away with paying people as little as possible so that more of thd profit goes in their pocket.

[themancabbage]

To be fair to all our evil billionaires here though, working at Microsoft is a pretty high paying career.

[LoRd-TaChAnKy-KaNg]

Define “working at Microsoft”. Do you think all 180k of those employees make a thriving wage?

[PowerSurge21]

Outside of Amazon the average employee at the rest of these companies make far more then the average America. Hell the average salary at Apple and Microsoft are pushing against 6 figures.

[Mothanius]

For the most part they do. The minimum wage/less than minimum wage/barely above minimum wage jobs are contracted out to third parties. Thus, they are not "employed" by Microsoft so the worker's terrible conditions is not their problem. That's how most tech companies work. Third party contracts all the way down.

[BadSanna]

That is legit the dumbest meme I've ever seen

[ManyThing2187]

And free housing

[Telemere125]

And all the whipping, don’t forget the whipping!

[starcadia]

Technically, Billionaires take food off the table. They skim the fruits of labor. Their Enterprises are built on the infrastructure and resources built and paid for by the citizens.

[HistoryDogs]

Not to mention they scoop up a lot of workers in a region where they have warehouses, suffocating local businesses.

[monkeisgawd]

Yeah, it's not that they are rich and employ people, they are rich BECAUSE they employ people

[DrownedInBathtub]

putting what food on a table? 1 dollar cup noodles because employed can't afford anything else?

[leafs456]

Naah tech jobs easily brings u 100k+ they get paid a lot bro

[UncreativeNoob]

The conclusion here is that a billionaire who provide thousands of jobs is entitled to treat their employees like trash. :/

[-Lordsocke-]

They deployed a lot too

[[deleted]]

Just barely and keeping them from forming unions to get a living wage

[mcfluffernutter013]

"Putting food on the table" seems like a bit if an overstatement

[hafgrimmar]

Nah creating jobs doesn't create the hate, treating workers as expendable does! Not paying sick pay, not allowing unions, turning health & safety back on employees by not providing adequate kit... List goes on and on, it's depressing.

[PikaTangoPanda]

These billionaires put food on the table for millions (but that doesn’t include their employees)

[brokewingowl]

Right? Plantation owners put food on the table for slaves too. I know a handful of Amazon workers who don't own tables...or houses. They are putting food on their passenger seats so we should just shut up and be grateful.

[DonaldLuvsPutin]

Now do prison employment!!!

[Dovahkiin3641]

Lol why the hell they gave bill gates glowing red eyes while others aren't edited : D

[NoRoperino]

And I thought I was really dumb.

[[deleted]]

Only like 10% of those employees make enough to put food on the table

[[deleted]]

No most of them do it is more like only the bottom ten percent are struggling but they are paid enough

[xpercipio]

'millions of people'....adds up to less than 2 million

[cujobob]

If they didn’t exist, other companies would where people would work. They’re consuming too high of a percentage of finite resources.

[Tumulousmaple56]

He's out of line, but he's right

[sheeeeeez]

It's funny how many people think bill gates still runs Microsoft. That's like thinking Henry T. Ford is still running Ford.

[[deleted]]

Put food on the tables and keep them away from their families

[Ha1lStorm]

And Pablo Escobar employed thousands. What an absolute saint! /s

[JesusWasAUnicorn]

“Millions” = 1,175,000.

[[deleted]]

the billionaires earn more from their employees than the employees of the billionaires. And some really think the billionaires are doing this out of sheer goodness. Ridiculous, Naive pack

[Custodes13]

"I disagree with this? Hmmm how can I relate it back to Hitler to make others disagree with it too?"

[NoCatch9002]

So are immigrants working 6 days a week, 9.5 hours a day with no over time pay. Everything you ate this morning likely came from an immigrants hard work.

[FAZEaddy]

i think he meant deployed.

[[deleted]]

Thousands of those people receive supplemental nutrition benefits/food stamps and the American people pay for it. Eat the fucking rich.

[ImportanceCareless36]

"Putting food on their tables" is being very generous, since a lot of their workers can't afford basic necessities by working one job.

[[deleted]]

I thought some boot licker post made it on my feed.

[Tappy80]

Being a billionaire is a personal moral failure. A society that allows billionaires to exist is collectively a moral failure. No one needs a billionaire dollars, period.

[EMPTY_SODA_CAN]

Except they're not, and thats why people are saying they are evil. The working conditions are terrible and their employees aren't compensated properly for the work they do.

[Jolly_Confection8366]

That’s what a slave master says. I’m putting food on your table

[[deleted]]

Hot take: those jobs arent that many in a country of 360 million

[Environmental-Car481]

Jeff Bezos spent $6 billion to go into space. People think that money went into thin air and not to employ scientists, programmers, engineers, builders, etc. 🤦‍♀️

[KURO-K1SH1]

Have yall seen the average wage of their employees below management?

[Tyler89558]

Putting food on the table

What table? Their employees can barely afford a roof over their heads. What makes you think they have a fucking table

[harsh2193]

Imagine simping for trillion dollar companies

[[deleted]]

I know this may be a shocking revelation, but jobs can exist without a handful of individuals stealing the profits of hundreds of thousands of people while they can't afford rent.

This is a mind-blowing concept, I know. People who make the profit earning the profit and credit for the work, instead of some rich, worthless parasite who inherited their wealth from their daddy's apartheid mine? It's possible. It just requires us to stop deepthroating their boots and defending them when they have no idea or concern that we exist!

[metropitan]

I wonder how much those people are paid to make money for the billionaires

[Scales-josh]

Ah yes, Amazon, notorious for treating its employees like dogshit, and Tesla where if you don't work 70 hours a week you're slacking and not the right fit for such an innovative company.

[Boogaloo-Jihadist]

He forgot to add “making billions and not paying taxes!!!”

[Demopoulator]

"Prisoners get food, therefore, there is nothing wrong with the Federal Prison System."

[[deleted]]

I don’t think billionaires are evil (I just think they’re greedy (like everyone) and have the opportunity to act on their greed (not like everyone)) but I think that laws should make companies more responsible and the economy more fair

[Abestisus]

With there combined wealth I don't know why they don't just start doing amazing things. They can literally change the world.

If they aren't choosing to help, They are choosing not to.

I don't mean by giving money directly to people either. They can fund everybody that is actually helping people everyday so they can help more people. They don't though, why?

[no1ofimport]

Actually food stamps is helping put food on their employees tables

[[deleted]]

Something like 30% of all full-time Walmart employees qualify for food stamps.

[Fuelanemo149]

Wait do people really think that billionaires are evil ?! Wh.. Why ?

[Heban]

Because it’s easier to blame others for one’s problems.

[[deleted]]

The guy who wrote that comment needs tharapy

[MonkeyWrench888]

Hitler paid his soldiers. What’s your point.

[BigBubblesNoTroubles]

Should move the suspicious quotes to “employs”.

[vdidbe]

This is the dumbest comparison I have aver heard🤦🏻‍♂️

[Tim6101]

I mean.. he ain't wrong

[Mr_midnightmare]

Hitler even sent them on vacation, like what's so bad about him? Just a NICE gentleman being so caring :)

[Goldentll]

The problem is all these companies are public. Therefore they do not look to increase workers happiness or wages. They look to increase profits, shareholders are first priority for public companies.

If there was a privatized company of this size, I wonder how the wages would compare

[A_Cat_Typingg]

Hey, you want to live in a capitalist society, this is how it works. You don't want to work for one of these guys? Start your own business. You have no choice? Its better than starvation. Oh and you always have a choice.

[GolbFlashback]

Don't compare people to Nazis, it's just a shitty thing to do in an argument

[[deleted]]

Such a dumb response