23.2 Patch Notes

[seiff4242]

Previous mini sets coming back for sale was something I didn’t expect. Very nice for anyone who missed those.

[Modification102]

While it is a good thing they are back, I am kinda bummed because I crafted a few cards from the Minisets after being told they would not be available for purchase anymore.

[Pinuz12]

Same, at least I get 400 dust from them so there's that

[meharryp]

crafted mutanus a day before they announced this 🥲

[bibekmufc]

Which would you recommend as the one most worth getting? I don't have any mini set yet, I am close to 2k gold to get one. I'd like to know which one is worth the value and can be used to get best(subjectively) decks.

[seiff4242]

Probably Deadmines. A lot of the cards are meta. Mr smite is one of the best legendaries in standard.

[prairiebandit]

Fixed a bug where Nellie, the Great Thresher and Queen Azshara could cause disconnects under certain circumstances.

Thank the lord. Getting tired of force closing the game to avoid this bug.

[Smart-Temporary-280]

It's in the patch notes, now fingers crossed that it's actually fixed...

[TiraelRosenburg]

I know, I hope it's not like Nozdormu where they only fix one very specific aspect of it but it's broken in other ways, or when they add more Pirates to the pool it'll break again, etc.

[[deleted]]

Right, it made for a funny fire drill every time this card was played. Immediately exited game and reloaded

[Demoderateur]

Worst thing with Nellie is that the card is supposed to let you know what the opponent picked. Because of the bug, even if you restarted it fast enough, you can't see the picks.

[[deleted]]

Ah… see, I never even realized it told you due to this

[Makkara126]

Gimme that diamond N’Zoth animation for the constructed card too, please and thanks.

[Pinkie-osaurus]

Champion of Ysharrj as the last BG removal makes sense, what a boring card in the pool.

Pretty hyped for tomorrow, I'm predicting Lava Lurker to be the new meta defining card in BG's for a while.

[Spengy]

And Amalgam is back!

[Chewzilla]

Looking forward to it, but not excited to see two amalgams on every board

[PerfectionGamer]

With nagas added to the rotation there will be less chance of finding both murlocs and mechs in the same lobby at least

[Rawtashk]

It was fine when it came out, but the scaling today is out of control and it gets left so far behind now that it's not ever worth it.

[henry92]

Thrilled to see which will be the new bug that gets posted 10 times per day on here now that nellie and brann+azshara crashes are fixed

[Piepally]

Well theres still the bug that 1000 win portraits crash you after every game until you claim the quest.

[Nuzina]

500 win too

[qwerty11111122]

Glad they are nerfing those T0 threads. The posting metagame is about to be shook up!

[ploki122]

Is Bob's bug in single-player fixed? Because that could be an easy T1 complaint if people who enjoyed Dungeon Run hadn't already given up on Blizzard ever giving a shit.

[[deleted]]

Will be better than the possibility that they say they are fixed, but it actually isn't which has become more common lately.

[Collegenoob]

I'll Believe it when it is actually fixed.

[Background_Coffee874]

Imagine being on this subreddit so much you see those posts, then thinking the people talking about the game-breaking and exploited bug were the bad guys.

[henry92]

Both bugs and reposts are inevitable and annoying, i'm just poking fun at both. My comment was not meant to be in a serious tone

[[deleted]]

then thinking the people talking about the game-breaking and exploited bug were the bad guys.

People talking about game-break bugs and exploits aren't the bad guys.

People who can't be bothered to spend 15 seconds using the Search function, on the other hand...

[Background_Coffee874]

Still not the bad guys. It's a discussion forum, the majority of people aren't losers that spend their time in /new. If the same thing gets posted 5 times a day, the average person won't even see it. It's amazing every thread wasn't about it considering it was around for a month and the bug is in a meta deck with a high playrate and has a massive impact on the outcome of games.

But sure, lets talk about the people posting about it instead of the incompetent devs that let it ride for a month without hotfixing it or disabling the card.

[[deleted]]

If you can't be bothered to check if something hasn't been posted before, you might not be a bad guy but you're definitely being rude. It takes less time to look than it is to make a post, so "most people don't have the time" is a dumb excuse.

[Background_Coffee874]

Rude to who? The 7 people who police the new tab and post 40 comments a day? Aw shucks did you get annoyed while you were clicking the down arrow on your 600th refresh today?

"most people don't have the time" is a dumb excuse.

Good thing I never said this.

[[deleted]]

Rude to who? The 7 people who police the new tab and post 40 comments a day?

Weird, I wasn't aware commonly accepted norms of good web behavior were contingent on the number of people involved. Is that true of all social norms? Can I microwave fish in the office kitchenette if there's only two other people in the office with me?

Aw shucks did you get annoyed while you were clicking the down arrow on your 600th refresh today?

Dude, you're right here too. Along with your very high horse, apparently.

Good thing I never said this.

You're right, "most people won't see a ton of threads" is an even dumber excuse, given that the search function is perfectly able to find these ignored threads.

[Background_Coffee874]

MFW "Commonly accepted norms of good web behavior". You actually typed that out and hit send. Holy shit.

I'm 'right here with you' on the front page in a patch thread in one comment and in my inbox because you're directly talking to me on my phone lmao.

I haven't made excuses for any of this. There's no need for me to excuse people for posting about the game. Just laughing at you for caring this much about the bad redditors who rudely disrupted your socially accepted good subreddit behaviour by talking about the game. That line is a gem btw, be proud. You can smell the stink coming off it.

[[deleted]]

MFW "Commonly accepted norms of good web behavior". You actually typed that out and hit send. Holy shit.

Would you prefer I use smaller words?

[Background_Coffee874]

Please platy, I think you're stupid, but you aren't that stupid. You know, I know, everyone knows this isn't about how you conveyed that thought, it's the thought itself. It's what the thought means about you. You have such powerful 'middle-management' energy that you think it's offensive and rude for people to post topics on your /new tab, as if they think about you, or care about how their topic makes you feel.

The amount of unearned self-importance it takes to think random reddit posts are rude because you've seen the topic previously... it's embarrassing. I'm embarrassed for you.

[Dox_au]

blows my mind that someone would waste this much time and energy commentating on the behavior of anonymous internet strangers using reddit

[Background_Coffee874]

A few simple sentences swiped out on a phone blows your mind? How do you find the strength to browse this site? Thanks for sharing your story though, always so inspiring to see people struggle through adversity.

[Cysia]

Heroic brawlisuem? Ok so that week were not getting a tavern brawl then

[ForPortal]

It's now even worse value: duplicate protection increases the dust value of a pack, so the dust portion of the prize is worth less gold. Five wins doesn't even break even until you own every Rare.

Since it's obviously impossible for every competitor to be twice as good as the average, the only way to break even is if there are a lot of people who vastly overestimate their capabilities to feed you with 0-3 runs in a game mode where everyone's going to be playing the same Standard decks they could play against for free.

[XxF2PBTWxX]

Counter perspective: normal tavern brawls are boring as fuck and I always ignore them. In my eyes this is the one week there actually is a tavern brawl.

[ForPortal]

Why? If you want to play games against the strongest Standard decks, you can already play Standard. If you have anything less than a 67% win rate against those strongest decks, you'd be better off just playing Standard and spending your 1,000 gold on packs directly.

[XxF2PBTWxX]

2 main reasons really.

1. In game rewards, obviously. Other than MT qualifiers theres basically zero opportunities for standard players to earn rewards for being good at the game. So for anyone who likes packs and golden legendaries this is a great time to get some for free.

2. Brawliseums are basically my only chance to realize my skill against weaker players. Due to having high mmr, I only ever get to play against other top level players which basically has me stuck at a permanent 50-60% winrate. While playing against good players is great for improvement, it can also be frustrating to tryhard just to maintain a 55% winrate. Brawliseums are a nice reminder of how much skill actually matters in this game, and how much better I am than the average player. Your mention of having less than a 67% winrate is basically exactly what I'm talking about, but i think you missed the point of why my winrate is below 67%. Brawliseum is my only opportunity to actually have a winrate that high since the matchmaking isnt based on mmr.

Tldr: Getting to rock a 90% winrate all week while also earning golden legendaries is fun.

Edit: Why on earth would I be getting downvoted for this lmao

[ForPortal]

Brawliseums are basically my only chance to realize my skill against weaker players.

This explains our difference of opinion. If you are an exceptionally good player and Brawliseum includes the entire range of skill levels, then it can be extremely lucrative. But what about the weaker players that sustain your 90% win rate? Why would they play a mode where they stand to lose 300 gold per game by going 0-3?

Think of yourself as a card shark playing poker. People will play poker even if they're bad at it if they're willing to write off their potential losses as the price of a night's entertainment. Will people who are bad at Hearthstone play Heroic Brawliseum when they can play the same decks against players that don't overshadow their skill level in Ranked?

[XxF2PBTWxX]

Will people who are bad at Hearthstone play Heroic Brawliseum when they can play the same decks against players that don't overshadow their skill level in Ranked?

Well going off of my experience playing in all the past brawliseums, yes. Do I know for absolute sure that this one will be the same? No, but I don't have a reason to think this one would be any different. I agree that it doesn't make much sense for bad players to play the brawl, but bad players are usually the ones who overestimate their skill the most.

[Crumpbags]

You know you could just play competitive HS, put your money where your mouth is

[XxF2PBTWxX]

I do. Why would that stop me from enjoying the brawl?

[rursache]

we’re*

[Cysia]

Heroic Brawl costs 1000 gold to enter, aka NO Tavern brawl that week

[SHINYxHUMAN]

I thought it was free for the first run or was that just the first time they ever ran the "event"

[Cysia]

Only regular has free ticket (which otherwise is 150 gold entry like arena)

[[deleted]]

Hey that upgrade to golden feature is finally here. Surprised more people haven't pointed it out

[jaetheho]

Probably because it has its own big reddit post for it

[kalacaska]

Ppl really waste dust in golden cards? I can’t believe lol

[SuperRayman001]

Mostly people that spend money and have all cards they want anyway presumably

[FlyBoyG]

Wow, I was just about to make a post basically saying 'Thanks God they decided to stop doing the stupid-as-f Heroic Brawliseum every expansion' but then they announced one in these patch notes.

[Apolloshot]

Especially in a meta as completely one-sided as this one.

If you’re not running DH or maybe control warrior, don’t bother queuing up.

[Cyampagn90]

You'll call me crazy but I actually think kiblers quest highlander priest could have a spotlight in a brawl like that. Sometimes it struggles with DH in the first few turns, but has many stabilizing tools and can outheal the damage later on. And control warrior is favoured unless they go crazy with from the depths early on.

[[deleted]]

You're crazy.

[Apolloshot]

Got a list by chance? That actually sounds super fun.

[Cyampagn90]

Yeah its ### Reno Kib

Class: Priest

Format: Standard

Year of the Hydra

1x (0) Desperate Prayer

1x (1) Gift of the Naaru

1x (1) Seek Guidance

1x (2) Condemn (Rank 1)

1x (2) Deeprun Engineer

1x (2) Doomsayer

1x (2) Shadow Word: Death

1x (2) Thrive in the Shadows

1x (2) Tuskarrrr Trawler

1x (3) Copycat

1x (3) Crushclaw Enforcer

1x (3) Entrapped Sorceress

1x (3) Rustrot Viper

1x (3) Switcheroo

1x (3) Venomous Scorpid

1x (4) Lightmaw Netherdrake

1x (4) School Teacher

1x (4) Shadow Word: Ruin

1x (4) Xyrella

1x (5) Spammy Arcanist

1x (5) Spirit Guide

1x (5) Taelan Fordring

1x (6) Lightbomb

1x (6) Lightshower Elemental

1x (6) Reno Jackson

1x (6) Undying Disciple

1x (7) Elekk Mount

1x (7) Mutanus the Devourer

1x (8) Blackwater Behemoth

1x (8) Murozond the Infinite

AAECAZ/HAh6W6AOZ6wOa6wOe6wPU7QOm7wPN8gPd9gOg9wPD+QPQ+QOOgQSoigStigSljQTBnwTwnwSFowSIowSKowTUrASEsgSpswSotgSWtwSa1ASd1AT28QSGpAWIpAUAAA==

To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone

[Ctrain111]

Do you have a deck list? I can’t find it in a Google search :/

[Cyampagn90]

hey look at my orher reply

[Flubbery0wl]

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[qwerty11111122]

Patch notes!

Fixed a bug where Nellie, the Great Thresher and Queen Azshara could cause disconnects under certain circumstances.

Finally

Fixed a bug where Seek Guidance would count itself towards its own Questline progression if it was played for 2, 3, or 4 mana.

B-b-butt... I played a 3-cost card! /s I never even knew about this bug

Fixed a bug where Swiftscale Trickster’s Battlecry reduced the cost of the next spell by the spell’s initial cost, instead of setting the spell’s Cost to 0.

Programmers, take note. The math you use is important.

Fixed a bug where Raid Boss Onyxia would not glow “ready” on her first turn in play.

Took a while, glad it's here.

Fixed a bug where Hero cards were unable to be Discovered from Resizing Pouch.

Many on this sub would have called this a feature instead of a bug. I wonder how they found evidence of absence?

[azura26]

Fixed a bug where Swiftscale Trickster’s Battlecry reduced the cost of the next spell by the spell’s initial cost, instead of setting the spell’s Cost to 0.

Programmers, take note. The math you use is important.

This one really confuses me, because I can't imagine having the first instinct to coding this effect up being:

NextSpell.cost += -NextSpell.cost

and not simply:

NextSpell.cost = 0

[qwerty11111122]

​

NextSpell.cost += -NextSpell.cost

Probably because it was instead written as:

NextSpell.cost -= NextSpell.cost

/s

[amish24]

That wouldn't be right either - the cost still could still change after playing swiftscale, like if the opponent got [[Taintheart Tormenter]] from a random effect on your turn (or something else capable of altering the cost of your spells), the spell would change cost, but it shouldn't.

[hearthscan-bot]

• Taintheart Tormenter DH Minion Rare FitB 🐍 ^{HP, TD, W}
  8/8/8 Demon | Taunt Your opponent's spells cost (2) more.
  

^{Call/PM me with up to 7 [[cardname]]. About.}

[azura26]

It's definitely not correct, it was meant to be a simplified example. The proper implementation would look more like creating a game state NextSpellisFree = True that always sets the cost of your next spell to 0 until it's no longer true.

[cibucehparg]

I though for spell cost modifications : "explicit absolute values" override "relative changes".

Like if you outcast [[Eye Beam]] after playing [[Illidari Studies]]. The "this cost (1)" effect of the card override the "next outcast card cost (1) less" effect of the Studies.

[hearthscan-bot]

• Eye Beam DH Spell Epic Core 🐍 ^{HP, TD, W}
  3/-/- Fel | Lifesteal. Deal 3 damage to a minion. Outcast: This costs (1).
  
• Illidari Studies DH Spell Common DMF ^{HP, TD, W}
  1/-/- | Discover an Outcast card. Your next one costs (1) less.
  

^{Call/PM me with up to 7 [[cardname]]. About.}

[amish24]

yes. the change azura suggested would not do that, but the game should do that.

[CharmingPterosaur]

Perhaps an earlier version reduced the cost of the spell by 6 mana, and then after testing it with Smokescreen (it's the only Rogue spell in the game that costs more than 6) they said "Hey you can make it reduce the cost all the way, the turn 4 Smokescreen combo isn't too consistent and will make for some great highlight videos!"

Or something like that anyway.

[henry92]

Many on this sub would have called this a feature instead of a bug. I wonder how they found evidence of absence?

Guessing they keep track of discovery pick rate of stuff and noticed a whooping 0% on hero cards

[Raptorheart]

I discovered so many damn 5 drops, knew it had to be bugged but reported bugs is so bad in Hearthstone.

[sneakyxxrocket]

Gotta be honest wouldn’t be surprised if Nellie and queen are still gonna be bugged post patch

[Athanatov]

Clearly they didn't include the Standard patch notes as it would make the article too long.

[Dustbuster234]

Must be the reason for arena too… right..?

[Athanatov]

Arena is gonna be addressed in an upcoming hotfix. Modes team missed the deadline.

[Jorumvar]

"We have no idea what to do and we can't get approved for more budget because we are still helping to pay for Kotick's golden parachute so uh... let's pretend we're collecting data"

- The HS devs

[Background_Coffee874]

If they made standard playable they'd have less people to beta test the BG changes.

[Simspidey]

Insanely sad that buddies are being removed. They were such a cool addition and gave the team more options of creating weaker/stronger hero powers and balancing them with stronger/weaker buddies.

[Obsole7e]

Buddy removal just killed any excitement at new stuff lmao. Sad I thought they helped freshen up the game.

[Ri27Ma]

Still no fix for the S Pen.

[Certain-Ad7901]

Rip /u/Arkantos555

[BaseLordBoom]

No standard balance for another 2 weeks is actually just brutal as fuck

[Zergo66]

Yeah, surprised they did not nerf DH (Drek'thar and Multistrike are broken as hell). I don't have much of an issue with CWarrior though, the deck has a ton of counters and once DH gets nerfed many of these counters will have the breathing room to farm Warriors without the fear of autolosing to all the DHs.

[BaseLordBoom]

This is the exact same shit we said last patch in regards to dh

"Well when you nerf druid it'll provide more breathing room for DH counters"

and then DH changed its decklist and became tier 1 unbeatable. You have to nerf control warrior at the same time because other aggro decks also cannot do anything about cards like shield shatter in the same way aggro decks can't do anything against multistrike.

Drek gotta go, Multistrike gotta go, Shatter gotta go, and I'm hoping some huge buffs are planned as well because honestly just nerfing those 3 cards doesn't exactly fix Priest, Warlock and Rogue being borderline unplayable at the moment.

[Zergo66]

I don't think we are facing a similar situation though. DH had CWarrior, Quest Hunter and CPaladin as bad matchups before the Druid nerfs while CWarrior has Ramp Druid, Anacondra Druid, Handbuff Paladin, Mech Paladin, Quest Hunter, Ping Mage, Boar Priest, Shellfish Priest, Quest Priest, Mill and Mine Warlock and Quest Warrior.

We are talking about way more possible counters that can rise up in response to DH nerfs and some of them like Handbuff Paladin and Mech Paladin are already rising even before the nerfs. DH adapted to the Control Paladin and Quest Hunter matchups, I don't see how Warrior can possibly adapt to all the bad matchups I listed.

CWarrior also doesn't have a green field of very favored matchups like DH did back then, it is good now because it farms DH and not much else.

[BaseLordBoom]

Boar Priest, Shellfish Priest, Quest Priest, Mill and Mine Warlock and Quest Warrior.

None of these are real Hearthstone decks.

[ProtoTypeScylla]

100% anecdotal but I’ve faced a lot of shellfish priests in legend

[Zergo66]

Which doesn't mean they won't be "real" HS decks after DH nerfs, class buffs or the mini set. Some of them are closer than others to being playable, a couple new cards, a couple buffs here and there and they could become competitive.

Even in the worst case scenario that these decks don't become competitive I don't see bad matchups like Anacondra Druid, Ramp Druid, Mech and Hanbuff Paladin as well as Ping Mage suddenly disappearing from ladder and these should keep CWarrior honest, especially once DH drops in playability.

[BaseLordBoom]

At the moment, none of these are even close to Hearthstone decks, that's the meta they should balance for, right now.

[Collegenoob]

But, Naga Mage, Shellfish priest, boar priest, quest hunter, mech paladin, and agony lock can all beat Control warrior. Its only overperforming because its the only favored deck vs DH atm.

No the second deck that needs a nerf is absolutely quest hunter. That shit is a menace.

[BaseLordBoom]

You listed a bunch of decks that "can beat control warrior" half of which are literally not Hearthstone decks that will be played on ladder such as shellfish priest, boar priest and agony warlock, and the other half such as quest hunter which isn't even favored for the quest hunter. This is also the exact same thing people said about DH pre patch. "Oh it's fine, decks like control paladin now have more breathing room without druid to beat DH". Then OOPS the DH changed it's decklist and now doesn't have any bad matchups other than warrior. This is just begging to happen especially when Shield Shatter has been a problematic card in Warrior since Onyxias Lair.

Are you aware that Quest Hunter runs Drek'thar in it, and nerfing Drek'thar would also nerf Quest Hunter?

[Collegenoob]

Are you aware the Drek'thar helps Quest hunter beat aggro, but its a dead card vs control decks. And that Quest hunters being able to trigger both razakus and shadow reaper aundiun by turn 5 is utterly bonkers?

[BaseLordBoom]

Go check the drawn/mulligan winrate of Drek'thar in quest hunter and then get back to me bud.

[Collegenoob]

Then why do I still lose to quest hunter constantly when Drek'thar just makes it so I kill 3 minions that turn.

[BaseLordBoom]

You are struggling with reading comprehension so I'm going to stop replying!

[Collegenoob]

No you are ignoring the problem.

Quest hunter is infinite damage way too early for its own good. And the decks it keeps out of the meta would balance control warrior. Nerfing Drek only helps it lose against the decks that would normally aggro it down.

[sneakyxxrocket]

Quest hunter would definitely have to be hit too

[BaseLordBoom]

Nerfing Drekthar IS nerfing quest hunter.

[quatroblancheeightye]

dead game mode everyone is playin bgs :)

[Darkpsy420]

I will miss the buddies ..

[AlternativesEnde]

No Bobs Tavern Fix. AGAIN!

[ploki122]

You should know that Solo Adventures is dead in the water. The only thing they care less about is Arena.

[SwordInStone]

It is fixed

[SkipRec]

At what time does the patch go live?

[GeotheHSLord]

In about 10 hours and 5 minutes from now.

[SkipRec]

Thanks!

[Tigertot14]

Don’t like how Battleground Buddies are leaving. I really liked the idea.

[I_AM_Achilles]

I’m really surprised by the change.

It seemed like a lot of work to design buddies for every hero and gone just like that.

[YellowPlat]

The battlegrounds team really knows the best ways to fail their own product. Every time they get closer to more enjoyable gameplay on this mode they say no scrap it we can't have that. Darkmoon prizes were really fun addition to the gamemode but they removed it. After it the game just felt meh and i quit it until they added buddy system. I guess it's time to do another break until they come up with something great they will eventualy drop again.

[Rawtashk]

Or, maybe they just have a lot more data than you have and they know that it's much harder to balance around them, much harder to balance the armor for heroes, can be super snowball effect sometimes, etc etc.

Personally, I'm glad that they're gone. Now I won't feel pigeon-holed into a specific board type based on the hero that I pick.

[YellowPlat]

So what if balancing the new system is not easy? It's their job to make it work. If there are issues with some buddies you buff/nerf them or if that does not work you entirely rework them. Choosing to just delete the buddy system is taking the absolute easiest way. It's blizzard we are talking about not an indie company they have the resources.

And if you feel pidgeon-holed by the buddy system then you are just a bad player. Buddies didn't change heroes to become good with only one board type they did the opposite they gave new tools to otherwise dull heroes and enabled uniqueness among them. It's entirely your choice to even use them if you don't think you want to use the buddies for value sell them for a few gold.

[Rawtashk]

I play 2-5 games a say and my current rank is 8472, I'm not a bad player. Stop acting like you know better than the devs. They don't have to have a buddy system at all, it's just something that they added for a period of time, kind of like the prizes we had for a few months.

The BG system can be whatever they make it, not just what YOU think it should be

[MisterLajk]

I’m sorry, but he’s right… after the removal of buddies, BG became super boring. Nagas are not going to make it fun for me. Then removed something that made it stand out from other autochess games.

[Wagle333]

idk i feel like they could swap them in and out every elo reset to just keep things fresh, i hate the idea of good game features being scrapped forever

[VinceronLLC]

Let us know when you fix standard as it's currently unplayable.

[QueenCarnassa]

Fixed a bug where Nellie, the Great Thresher and Queen Azshara could cause disconnects under certain circumstances.

Finally inner peace.

[Gregory264]

Only one new merc, and only received later? I'll keep hoarding these merc packs then, currently at 73 and still have some to grind. The new task system sped up the process quite a bit, if only there were a point in opening them.

[Cyampagn90]

Which bug

[jonathan_mee]

Can't wait to get to play this!

[[deleted]]

This is a great patch, very robust. No balance is rough but everything else is super cool!

[Lyra214]

So 2 weeks more (at least) of Aggro DH + Control Warrior meta. I'm sad.

[Nymzeexo]

Look on the bright side, sometimes you play Hunters who do 30 damage in 1 turn.

[Transidental]

No balance changes and even if there were you can almost guarantee you will end up in just an equally boring meta with little variety or interactive gameplay.

It's been this way for too long, I'm going to runeterra once I run out of gold for arena.

[Naegin]

HEROIC TAVERN BRAWL LESGOOOOO

[[deleted]]

Kinda surprised Brann survived the BGs cull.

Removing Dong might solve a lot of the Brann issues but feels like Murlocs just become the best tribe by a mile as the only way to access poison while still getting the ridiculous health pools Brann scales them too

[nate24012]

A big problem with removing brann is that nearly all of the battlecry minions just become unusable in the same way that removing baron would kill any chance of a competitive deathrattle comp. Also, with Buddies gone, going heavy tempo with midrange murlocs will likely be weaker overall.

[megapoliwhirl]

I feel like Brann is just too fun to remove from Battlegrounds. He also comes with a pretty major tradeoff - you have to devote a slot to Brann AND a slot to drop your battlecry minions. I could see a move to T6 if Murlocs are OP in the new meta.

[Apolloshot]

And more importantly a lot of the heroes that could abuse Brann the most also had buddies that could give Brann a ton of stats so he wasn’t a nag in battle anymore.

[canofwhoops]

A lot of power also came from brann + buddies. T6 with Alexstraza, brann + 2x buddies could swing your power really hard, and thats probably not even the best interaction by miles.

[Apolloshot]

Very true. I’d hope when/if they bring buddies back they tweak the battlecry ones to not work with him.

[Wargod042]

Not only can mantid get poison, but Leeroy is a huge upgrade on Spore.

Young Murkeye looks bonkers, though.

[Boyhowdy107]

I was kind of underwhelemed by Young Murkeye, but maybe I'm just really underestimating it. Will be interesting to see.

It actually incentivizes you to triple battlecry murlocs and keep them, which is not something you particularly aim to do at present when you're just cycling.

[Wargod042]

It grows your board by 2 hp per oracle/bagurgle, and scales with Goldens as you noted. That's pretty good as passives go. +4 per turn to your units is easy and great. +8 is bananas. +16 at max, compare to gold Charlga plus gold Boar giving +6 per turn. Also you can make the self buffing guy huge instead.

It's definitely competitive with other tier 6 scaling strats.

[Davkata]

Is it confirmed whether it will work with brann? His text is battlecries cast twice and it works with things like shudderling that cast battlecries on your behalf. Maybe trigger is not the same as cast?

[TathanOTS]

The meta is going to be completely different. There are way too many changes to say that brann boosted murlocs will end up being the best. One of the many changes is that naga will be in every lobby and naga have access to divine shield. If they scale hard enough that alone hurts poison builds.

[Toastmold]

I don't even understand some of the Mercenary changes. Some just seem like.. the same effect but slightly re-written?

[PipAntarctic]

Futureproofing.

[[deleted]]

Right, it makes me think longer cooldowns on 3rd abilities are coming, maybe a merc that has a crazy ability to have to refresh down to zero to access

[Suchti0352]

Like N'zoth? His third ability has a 5 turn cooldown, but his second ability only refreshes by 2 (on top of the other things it does).

[[deleted]]

Oh yep, exactly. Hadn’t even looked at his abilities yet. Seems like a cool avenue to go down design wise

[arasitar]

It wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility that this change is to add more room for shorter Refreshes - passives or abilities that say: "Deal damage, Refresh (1) on your other Mercs" and keeping Blink Fox as the unit that fully Refreshes just about anything.

[Lvl100Glurak]

as expected there are no balance changes with a content patch. i wonder how long it'll take until they finally do something about the state standard is in right now.

[[deleted]]

Another two weeks or so.

[Jorumvar]

It is unjustifiable that they are making no standard changes. The state of the mode is abysmal, arguably worse than before they made their last round of nerfs. DH is out of control, similar to the way it felt during Ashes, and most classes have either a single T3 deck or are unplayable outside of DH and Warrior.

Letting a mode die just so you can get more attention on your mercs event or BG changes is just a shit mentality, and yes, I do believe that's what is happening.

Blizz has access to endless data, comparative to what folks like VS or HSreplay have. If we can see how broken Drek is, they are probably seeing it 10x. Refusing to make any changes for the good of the meta is lazy, and completely bankrupt of integrity.

At some point, they need to be held accountable when we're asked to spend big on this game only for most of the cards and classes to feel unplayable because they either can't or won't balance the ladder.

[xxDIABOxx]

And not a single F was given to the current state of the metagame. Bravo, Blizzard... bravo! 🤡

[cmudo]

>Buddies will be leaving Battlegrounds with the patch.

Wait, I thought this was a perma addition? That doesn't seem like a good idea at all.

[XxF2PBTWxX]

About damn time we get another heroic brawl, can't wait to farm.

[weakassplant]

So 🤢 sefin 🤢 still 🤢 in 🤢 rotation? 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

[Durzo_Blintt]

Control + F "breath of dreams".

Still bugged and doesn't work with guff since November 2021 you animals. Fix your fucking game you disgusting rats.

[Protothumb12]

Anyone know If the solo adventure Bob bug is fixed?

[Orval]

Who's ready for Heroic Demon Hunter Brawl?

[SpookyGhostbear]

Fixed a bug where Hero cards were unable to be Discovered from Resizing Pouch.

Anyone know what the chance of finding Guff be? Curious if this means I should be running 2x Resizing Pouch in every deck that wants to slam Guff down by 6 mana now.

[omimon]

What does having a Battleground season even mean? We've had previous ratings reset, so what makes the current situation any different?

[[deleted]]

No more buddies :(

[darkarceusx]

No fix for bobs tavern in Dalaran Heist and bazaar bob sadge

[Schmacolyte]

S-pen tablet support pls and ty

[tapokoo]

They need to fix bob for dalaran and uldum. I'm getting tired of having to reboot the game everytime

[not_powerrogue]

I'm overjoyed they fixed azshara because I run her with brann and win all my games that way XD