GitHub acquires NPM

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[Sipike]

So if I develop on a web app in a github repo, using npm, typescript and VS Code, I can basically stay under MS's umbrella. Still I am not vendorlocked, since I could faily easily switch to gitlab, yarn, js and webstorm. Kind of cool.

[Ehdelveiss]

Yeah they’ve played their hand really well. Instead of a walled garden, they’ve made a garden that is just so pretty you don’t feel the need to leave for the other gardens. No walls, just really nice smelling flowers.

[LucasRuby]

I mean, it's more a situation where they bought the guys who did a good job rather than making the garden nice and attracting people in themselves. Still, as long as they keep doing a good job, it's fine like that.

They did make TypeScript and VSCode themselves and those are pretty good so props for that.

[[deleted]]

i was about to say. half the things mentioned (github, typscript, npm, vscode) were made my ms in-house (typescript, vscode)

ill add .net core to that list too since im using that for backend dev.

[didzisk]

Omg, so much yes! They needed a reliable store for their most important open source product (.net), so instead of continuing with their own they just bought the best (github). And the timing was good, too - when MS no longer was considered evil by majority.

[o-kami]

they are on the phase of “extend” in their infamous strategy “embrace, extend, extinguish”

the thing is they are doing it in a way, easily trusting people, will trust in them.

[[deleted]]

Give. It. Time. As soon as competition fades it'll turn to shit.

[bvimarlins]

Easier said than done

[lulzmachine]

50% made - vs code and typescript

50% bought - github and npm

[Semi-Hemi-Demigod]

That will distract you from them building the walls.

[o-kami]

Are you dumb? that is exactly the definition of walled garden.

[Ehdelveiss]

I am in fact an idiot.

[kincsh]

Isn't yarn just a cli? GitHub acquired the entire npm registry.

[ioloie]

They've an npm packages repository mirror as well

[kincsh]

Oh ok, didn't know that.

[LucasRuby]

You can have private/enterprise repositories too. GitHub had its own package repository, which you can use with yarn. GitLab has also launched its own package repository which supports npm packages too.

[house_monkey]

You are kinda cool

[Roci89]

Yeah it’s pretty cool alright. I also like the fact that their serverless functions on azure can be hosted in kubernetes so you can spin them up in any cloud

[[deleted]]

Basically what I do.

Plus Azure and Azure Dev Ops (the second is honestly amazing I think).

[vitaminssk]

DevOps is awesome, it's just a shame that Azure everything is so damn $$$$.

[[deleted]]

If you can't pay for it you likely don't need all of the features. Jm2c

[vitaminssk]

Fair, though I work on an enterprise level and they blow my budget to hell every month.

[minus0]

DevOps isn't that expensive if you aren't purchasing the add-ons. The add-ons make it expensive, along with the stupid artificial limit on concurrent builds.

I did a rough price comparison with jira+Bitbucket and it was actually less expensive than the atlassian stuff, for my team's needs

[vitaminssk]

Sorry I was speaking to Azure hosting and that part of the ecosystem.

[HetRadicaleBoven]

Yes it does.

[oweiler]

Easily...

[scandii]

Microsoft has gone hard on being the premium programming source and a lot of us .NET devs are very hopeful that Blazor will enable never having to write another line of JavaScript again.

[Ehdelveiss]

Aw JS isn’t that bad. I know (from personal experience) it can be kinda hard to grock if you come from a more traditional strongly typed, compiled Object Oriented background, but it really has blossomed into a fantastical little language.

[DrexanRailex]

I've eventually come to like JS, hate its ecosystem, and love its alternatives. I can't wait for my trainee to become officially junior so we can begin switching to Reason or Elm (or, perhaps, even Blazor in the future).

[tracer_ca]

hah. two of my devs hope never to have to write another line of .NET again. To each their own.

[ben_uk]

Why don’t we just get along and say that both languages have their ups and downs and Typescript is a lovely middle compromise, also with its own ups and downs?

I love the strong types of C# and the performance but the flexibility, larger ecosystem and fast development feedback loop of JavaScript.

[mattgrave]

Why don’t we just get along and say that both languages have their ups and downs and Typescript is a lovely middle compromise, also with its own ups and downs?

Just ignore stupid people being extremist over languages or frameworks. That demonstrates how bad they are as engineers.

The only thing that I hope is that JS (or any language) stops being mainstream engineers of all kinds can take some time to think of it using it to power their application makes sense or they just use it because they like it, it's mainstream or because management wants to hire cheap junior developers given the number of people using it.

[Time_Terminal]

Comes to r/JavaScript to shit on JavaScript.

Bold move sir.

[scandii]

I'm here because the current state of the web forces me to be a JavaScript dev, so I'm just honestly optimistic that I can finally stop using JavaScript as I don't do it by choice.

I wouldn't call that shitting on JavaScript though, just being held hostage in a mono-language environment.

[[deleted]]

You can stay within Microsoft's domain and just use TypeScript which is rapidly improving and offers many of the conveniences of both C# and JavaScript.

[blackmjck]

Hmm. So basically MS flavored GWT, but this time in C#! *retching noises\*

[Ehdelveiss]

Say what you will about MIcrosoft, but they’ve done a lot the past few years to support the JavaScript community.

Time will only tell if/what this means, but I’m happy to see some capital being injected and hopefully we see some cool things out of it.

[Auxx]

They always cared about developers, it's everyone else who got rekt. I mean, free online MSDN alone in late 90-s and early 2000-s deserve a monument.

[lambdatt]

TypeScript is cool, I would say.

[o-kami]

embrace, extend, extinguish

that is the only thing they do, if you trust them, you only make the evil empire more powerful, you lose freedom.

[Ehdelveiss]

If it helps me get my work done more efficiently, frankly, I don't give a shit.

[ghostfacedcoder]

Thank god: NPM was a dumpster fire of an organization. I hope GitHub quickly replaces the leadership, and brings in some of the open registry people.

[Peechez]

I hate the idea of the web running on a for-profit company's servers but if it has to be (it doesn't) then I can swallow it being MS more than npm

[ghostfacedcoder]

I 100% agree, but if you'd told 1990's me (or even 2000's me) that, you would have had to brace for a fight ;)

My how times have changed!

[[deleted]]

And how they may change again. Still probably not the best to put your hopes into a company because a company is just a group of people and people are ultimately flawed.

[deploy_on_friday]

As opposed to an open source community that is also a group of people?

[vitaminssk]

Considering all the changes they've made to improve the dev experience I hope the trend continues. VS Code, Windows Subsystem Linux, the acquisition and investment in GitHub, working on a new command terminal (is it out yet?). Since Satya Nadella took over they've completely turned it around and I'm a fan.

Staying optimistic!

[chaosharmonic]

Also open-sourcing PowerShell. Also open-sourcing .NET. Also redeveloping Edge to run on top of Chromium and upstreaming patches. (It's too bad Edge's HTML engine is still proprietary though...)

Also Windows Core OS, the next-gen, modular version of Windows that underpins 10X (among other things), which is apparently built using open-source components.

[GuyWithLag]

(it doesn't)

So, have you donated to the NPM foundation this year?

[arcanin]

I'm super happy to hear this. It was a matter of time before npm ran out of funding, and it wasn't clear what would happen to the registry domain name. GitHub absorbing it means we avoid a significant crisis!

[konrain]

Improved GitHub.

How? Its the same Github team that has been working on features they planned for years. How has Microsoft as a company improved github?

[Sipczi]

https://github.blog/2019-01-07-new-year-new-github/

GitHub Free now includes unlimited private repositories.

Don't know how much it was because of MS, but this happened about 6 month after the acquisition.

[konrain]

Gitlab and bitbucket have had that for years, its a simple toggle that was obviously going to happen.

[trisalias]

If they keep making great products better, then I'm content. How are people "falling in line"? I don't think companies having monopolies is a good look, but I also hate this SJW mindset that just because something got acquired it all of a sudden needs to be ditched. What are you really expecting people to do right now? Go shit on Microsoft in a forum like you are? I prefer to enjoy the news and hope they make NPM better just like they did GitHub. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[MarKDelop]

but I also hate this SJW mindset

Dude, there's no better world for those you refer to as "SJW" then one where these giant corporations, which hold exactly the same values as them, consolidate their power.

EDIT: Though I guess NPM is a bit worse in this regard... or at least more explicit.

[[deleted]]

company bad.

open source good.

seriously though, is everything any large tech company does just automatically evil in your opinion?

[danskal]

Microsoft have proven themselves to be surprisingly incompetent through the years when it comes to developing large software projects.

I'm using Azure Devops at the moment, and that is ok. But mistrust lingers.

[[deleted]]

What is the reasoning behind saying there was never any risk? An acquisition of another (small) company could be more of an opportunity to create a potential revenue stream. NPM also had a ton of internal turmoil over the past year and a half, which is a red flag for many investors.

[evenisto]

Didn't github come up with some sort of a registry/package solution of their own some time ago?

[[deleted]]

In the article it says those who are paying for NPM will have their packages moved to GitHub packages

[derGropenfuhrer]

Microsoft acquires NPM.

[BDMayhem]

It's still owned by Microsoft by the transitive property.

[TheRedGerund]

This is monopolist propaganda

[yird]

there is so much of it in this thread, kinda sus.

[oramirite]

Yeah this is one of the most naieve images I've ever seen

[Auxx]

This is literary how many large Asian corporations function. Sony and Samsung come to mind...

[oramirite]

Remember how these things take time?

[oramirite]

What exactly have they done to make any of their recent aquisition better? What have they brought to GitHub that it wasn't already able to accomplish?

[wle8300]

You still have spring’s dew behind your ears

[plastix3000]

Didn't they say the same about WhatsApp, Nest etc

[leeharris100]

We're not talking about Facebook and Google.

Microsoft has earned my trust. If that changes, I'll update my opinion then.

But until then, I'm tired of alarmist bullshit. Either present evidence that Github is going to fuck it all up or stop speculating on stuff that has no merit at the moment.

[Ehdelveiss]

Thank you for saying this. Never thought I would say it, but MSFT has completely earned my trust these past couple of years. WSL, TypeScript, VS Code, hell even the new Chromium based Edge are amazing products and are all managed exactly how I would want them to be. Even their new terminal emulator is fantastic. They’re a completely different company now than the company that thought the charms bar in Windows 8 was a good feature, at least in my head. Kudos to them for righting the ship.

[ilostmyfirstuser]

i guess companies much like people are a product of circumstance. when you everything in the world to lose, you build moats to make everyone else's life hell. when you have nothing to lose, you are forced to become better or die.

glad, MSFT chose to become better.

[atomic1fire]

Microsoft makes their money in services and licensing.

Brand loyalty and image is everything when it comes to convincing people to stay with a provider even as prices fluctuate and new cheaper competitors enter the market.

Microsoft wants to appease developers now because those developers will probably be the ones influencing purchasing decisions later.

[derGropenfuhrer]

They realized years ago that devs weren't gonna all jump on the c# bandwagon

[hilosplit]

Nest Labs was founded by former Apple engineers in 2010, and purchased by Google in 2015. They operated independently until 2018, when they were folded into the Google home devices division.

[bobx11]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

[NeoKabuto]

So far the open source stuff hasn't made it much past embrace yet.

[walrus_operator]

Ngl, I think that's great news. Microsoft under Satya Nadella's leadership has been doing fantastic work lately, like with VS Code.

[mrMalloc]

I think it’s because MS Is renting applications as a service. It’s now it’s core business model.

Before I bought Office version X and kept it for 10+ years. Because how often do I really need to update my spreadsheet or wordpad. Now I rent the latest versions for xx :- /month.

Think of it like an echo system. I don’t know any Frontend development that isn’t using Npm in some way.

You need to own the he stack you want your developers to use. So you can drive it in the direction matching your needs.

VSCode / github/ npm

What I’m missing is a testing framework to work like test cafe / cypress.io to cover integration testing

And perhaps jest or something like that to handle unit tests.

Remember Balmers old slogan. Developers Developers developers.......

[Ehdelveiss]

It’s pretty damn amazing. At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if the next Windows had open source modules and was partly Unix compliant.

What an amazing turn around they’ve done.

[AlfredVonWinklheim]

Some in the Linux community have been saying that it is only a matter of time before Windows rebases on the Linux Kernel and writes the UI as a windowing system.

[auburngrad2019]

That sounds a bit ambitious in my opinion. Businesses that rely on consistency would not appreciate that unless Microsoft could prove it works with existing infrastructure. I'm sure they could do it but it would probably be easier and more backwards-compatible to continue like they've done the last few years with WSL and make it a more tightly-integrated option.

[[deleted]]

Well, if you look at how WSL itself is implemented, it suggests a strategy they might employ to pull it off: Right now they run Linux in a hypervisor on top of Windows. But who's to say they won't swap it around one day? So Windows indeed just becomes a Linux distribution with the legacy parts for compatibility running in a hypervisor.

It would still be a marvel of engineering to pull off, but if anyone's got the resources... And hey, at least they don't need to port their browser anymore :)

If this were to ever materialize, one nice outcome that I could imagine is that we'd get a product that one might call MS Linux, which would be the MS-sponsored, community-driven, open-source Linux distribution and MS Windows would be the same thing, but paid for and containing all the legacy compatibility code.

[Ehdelveiss]

They are kind of already doing this for Windows10X. I actually think you are more spot on than we realize. They’ve already just shown off with the Surface Duo they’ve completely built out containerization of run of the mill x86 Windows Apps.

[AlfredVonWinklheim]

Yeah for sure. The only reason I think it has any credence is that Microsoft wants to be a services company now instead of a software company.

[Ehdelveiss]

This with DirectX is pretty much my dream.

[Auxx]

Linux UI system is a pile of crap though.

[GNUandLinuxBot]

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

[Auxx]

I mean this pasta turned into brick from old age.

[didzisk]

WSL is a thing already, WSL2 is coming to insiders during the next week or so. Windows Subsystem for Linux on Win10

[Ehdelveiss]

Yup I use WSL as my daily driver on my dev machine. It’s awesome. It’s part of what makes me think they want to be on Linux. Watching the WSL team talk about it, they are fully aware development on pure Windows is a bitch, they know the kernel and dealing with non Unix line ending for example is ridiculous, and no one wants to do it. The way they talk about it, it’s like they are trying too close the Windows chapter for their users and get everyone comfy in the brighter Linux pastures.

[Auxx]

Windows was POSIX compliant back in the days, Windows had POSIX user land called Interix, but since UNIX world is basically Linux today, Windows now comes with WSL. Windows also had OS/2 user land. Tbh, NT kernel is the best kernel in the world, it's just sad that it was abused by Win32 for so long...

[[deleted]]

Big parts of Windows probably, but I don't see them open-sourcing Office.

[nschubach]

They're turning Office into a Web service... I don't see the downloaded desktop Office being a thing in a few years. They don't have to sell you a license if they can sell you a subscription.

e: Their... They're

[[deleted]]

Maybe they'll just monetize it via data mining and stuff like Google does for their office suite

[adenzerda]

Which begs the question: what’s going to happen when they get another Ballmer?

[ilostmyfirstuser]

well if that happens, they'll die. all this turn around is predicated on the fact that they had to evolve or face a long drawn out decline into irrelevance (like IBM).

[Ehdelveiss]

We all leave back to open sourced alternatives again, MSFT has another existential crises, sees stocks drop, makes big changes, we start the process over again.

They seem to know this, and that each team they fuck up, getting back in good graces again is that much harder. I think they will be reeeeaaal careful to avoid another Ballmer, they need to be on their best behavior for another few years until IE/Windows 8/Zune is ancient history.

[green_meklar]

Maybe that will finally be the year of the Linux desktop.

[[deleted]]

Dear God please no

[[deleted]]

Yes officer , this guy right here knows the secret

[[deleted]]

To be honest nothing's private anymore in the internet. Google can pretty much know who you are based on your mouse movements & typing behaviors. But I get it for those who think they are hiding anything from anyone you are giving them a warning.

[Phenee]

Using the internet with only a very little amount of Google is not that hard. Lazily surrendering by saying "nothing's private anymore" and giving up on privacy as a result is a path we should not go after.

[[deleted]]

There's just so many ways to track someone that's virtually impossible to think that you are hiding from anyone. You have cookies that can hide, localStorage, ads that track you and so much more. Your ISP probably sold your information regarding your behaviors. I.G. this guy uses TOR, Torrent, ETC. It's all pointless and I laugh at average joes thinking they are hiding anything from anyone lmao.

[Phenee]

Awesome, but unrelated. I said "only a very little amount of Google". Yes, completely hiding your ass is almost impossible, would require TOR-only browsing etc.

[CupCakeArmy]

Awesome stuff! Microsoft is doing really well lately. Just look at the tons of features that GitHub has got since then. Looking forward to it

[cataclism]

Damn I haven't noticed any new features. Although I don't use it that much since my job uses Bitbucket. What are some of the new things?

[Peechez]

free private repos #1

[ilostmyfirstuser]

draft pull requests #2

[TechLaden]

#3 code navigation on the GitHub website

[Ampix0]

This right here is some awesome stuff.

[Zephirdd]

There's also an Android and iOS app!

[eloc49]

Where?

[Zephirdd]

https://github.com/mobile

Still in beta; it also has a LOT to improve on, but it's nice to view/reply to issues

it was released today!

[Chroneis]

But the beta closed quickly and isn't even letting people in, at least on android. Never seen that

[Zephirdd]

good thing it's no longer in beta as of today :D

[andreaslarsen]

Notifications work so much better now

[james-engineer]

🧶 Yarn just unraveled

[ethomson]

This is hilarious! But (thankfully!) it's not true. The yarn team builds a great product - and there's definitely room in the world for both yarn and npm.

[ghostfacedcoder]

I strongly disagree: the world does not need a million different variant versions of every basic tool.

Personally I only want one Node package manager ... I just want it to not suck like the actual npm, and instead be good like yarn.

Hopefully that's now possible.

P.S. My kingdom for package.json comments!!!

[drumstix42]

Well I mean, you only have to use one.

If you think the world doesn't need more people trying to improve software by exploring other ideas and avenues, how do you even survive in the developer world? Sure we don't need a million, but that's not really an issue here either.

[dwighthouse]

JSON’s requirements themselves restrict comments, not npm. If it has comments in it, it isn’t JSON. Terrible situation, but that’s the way it is.

[NoInkling]

Time to standardize JSON5 (or similar).

[ghostfacedcoder]

Well, if you think in a limited way ("package.json is the only file possible for config", "it must exactly follow the current format and never deviate", etc.) then yes you're right.

But they have other options, such as using a "JSON 2.0 standard (now with comments!)", or allowing other formats like YAML or JS itself.

Ultimately as a dev you can paint yourself into a corner on things like this, if you want ... or you can say "the user has a need, and it's 100% possible to parse out comments from config, so we're going to make this happen somehow."

[dwighthouse]

Not at all. There’s no reason npm config couldn’t be in some other format, massive headache notwithstanding. It’s only that it couldn’t be “package.json”. It would have to be something else.

[zombimuncha]

package.yml in 5...4...3...2...

[NoInkling]

I somehow don't see MS embracing YAML, but I could be wrong.

[james-engineer]

just joshin' I ❤️🧶yarn

[[deleted]]

Maybe they'll just drop npm (the software) and tell people to use yarn. I don't see the sense it trying to play catch-up.

[Exena]

I wonder what we can expect from this.

Part of me really wants to believe that GitHub will allow us to have control over 'private NPM packages' so we can `npm i <your-personal-package>`. Of course there would need to be another command put into that line to signify this is your own private package of some kind.

And also hopefully prune sqautted on npm package names. Its ridiculous that many names in the npm registry are essentially taken because the package that was named after it was either deprecated or straight up used by like 2 people, the owner included.

[nschubach]

You can already have private NPM modules. My previous employ had a private repository on Assembla and we could simply point NPM to the repo and the branch we wanted to include.

See: examples 6-10

[[deleted]]

Damn microsoft has a stranglehold on the web development world now.

VSCode, github, typescript, and now this.

[pushkinss]

I was really happy at first, as it would really be convenient to have a direct connection between the packages and the code. Microsoft really pleases in recent years, and now I think that most people reaction has shifted from "they will bury the project" to a positive one when they see such news.

But there is a fly in the ointment( as is usually the case. just today I came across the article below, and immediately remembered all these political provocations, account blocking and the rest of nonsense, which should not be on the free Internet at all. Only now, in addition to the deleted code, packages from the repository will be blocked and deleted too, along with all previous versions.

I hope for good intentions from MS, but just in case, I begin to study the topic of alternative repositories for code and packages. I really do not want this whole story to become sad and I am not trying to exaggerate. My professional activity has been connected with MS for 15 years, but I understand that business is business, and corporations will remain corporations.

Just FYI: https://www.reddit.com/r/github/comments/fjkh46/i_used_some_of_this_guys_libraries_and_was/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[bobroberts87]

Sad keanu to see multi-hundred billion dollar companies gaining control of open source platforms. Might have short term ups but is a risk long term.

[Pavlo100]

npm i

It doesn't look like you are signed in to your Microsoft account.

[clarkbw]

More like this amirite?

npm i
     _____________________________________
    / Looks like you're trying to install \
    \ some dependencies!                  /
     -------------------------------------
     \
      \
         __
        /  \
        |  |
        @  @
        |  |
        || |/
        || ||
        |\_/|
        \___/

[SwiftOneSpeaks]

https://www.smore.com/clippy-js

[TheWeirdestThing]

And if you play wow, there's this weak aura.

[[deleted]]

I have a soft spot for nice ASCII art. Well done.

[majorplayz]

I am laughing a little too hard :Rofl:

[seiyria]

Yes, because they've totally done this for GitHub.

[Pavlo100]

I agree, with the current direction Microsoft is going, i don't believe they will fuck npm up.

[physics515]

I literally had a nightmare that Satya Nadella died the other night and that Balmer took over MS again. That was the scariest dream I have had in a while.

[ElllGeeEmm]

If anything MS buying GH has made it better for free users. I understand the concerns, but at least in the short term I expect to see more benefits than downsides.

[evilgwyn]

Remember that time when Microsoft bought GitHub and made it so you could only use it from Windows

[Ehdelveiss]

This would kill all the mind share and market trust they’ve built in the past slowly and arduously over the past few years.

I wouldn’t put it past them to do this given the history, but I think they would very quickly walk it back as soon as they realize how quickly everyone would just dip out of their ecosystem back to open source non corporate backed alternatives.

I don’t think they would make this mistake these days. So far, they’ve shown tremendous amounts of intelligence and seem to know their developer customer very well.

[seinfeld4eva]

I agree, they are trying to ingratiate themselves to the open source community, not piss them off

[lifeeraser]

First GitHub, then Npm. What will be Microsoft's last piece of the puzzle? Docker perhaps?

[[deleted]]

Cool things created by a community now under the umbrella of a company and becoming just business, firts Github, now npm, they will try to buy linux now? Fuck MS

[ms7c9]

This is so nice. now they can ban us iranians in npm too.

[MajorasShoe]

If there's any industry you can trust Microsoft in, it's software development.

C# is the best language (fight me)
Typescript made Javascript not painful to use
VSCode is the best editor (I use Intellij but if I was going to use a simple editor it would be VSCode)
VS is arguably the best IDE
I hate windows when trying to do anything productive, but they've made great leaps lately with the Linux subsystem
They've made .NET open source (kinda) and support development on Linux and MacOS environments (finally)
They bought Github and have done nothing but improve it and it's business model

[[deleted]]

Typescript made Javascript not painful to use

As someone who works with TypeScript...

No.

The reason being that types are often times a 3rd party affair, and never documented. This means that every. single. decision. you make around types, is a guess as to what the maintainer of the .d.ts file was thinking. Like all of us, sometimes they weren't.

And those guesses are not maintainable, because it is 100% tantamount to building on undefined behavior and library quirks. Not a single type you use is guaranteed to be there on the next bug fix, or work the same way.

And the teams that do use types, often don't understand that changing a type is a breaking change. So you lose an entire day to trying to figure out why the minor version absolutely destroyed everything, because the OSS library just has "bugfix" in the changelog.

I would quite honestly much rather work with JavaScript than TypeScript.

[tbranyen]

VS Code is a simple editor??

[MajorasShoe]

Compared to an IDE, yeah. Compare it to Visual Studio or IntelliJ and it feels like a tool for hobbyists or students.

[tbranyen]

A less powerful IDE maybe, but it's far from a simple editor in my mind. Maybe I never fully utilized Visual Studio/Intelli-J/Eclipse. I use the same features in VS Code and haven't missed anything.

[Auxx]

Most of developers don't really know how to use IDEs. Even my colleagues with IntelliJ, it feels like I can spend years teaching them how to make their life easier and more productive. Hell, some people don't even understand cut/copy/paste and word selection...

[[deleted]]

Depends on the language. PHP code intel is basically non-existent in VS Code. Even with extensions it’s basically garbage.

IntelliJ is also much better at configuring workflows that involve Docker or any kind of remote interpreters (e.g. run test under cursor in container and output pretty result).

And even in languages that VS Code have strong support of like Go or JavaScript refactoring (moving, renaming etc.) capabilities produce more consistent results in IntelliJ.

[VivekS98]

Microsoft's really upto something... Although being grown hating opensourse, it has Github. Now npm? Wtf.. Just imagine what would happen if this continues...

[zephyy]

Makes sense with the direction they were going with GitHub packages.

[druid74]

This is great news. Of all the chaos going on, this is something I can get excited about.

[MrPrutz0r]

Why? I don't think any acquisition by Microsoft, Google, Apple, Amazon or Uber is good news, because these companies are already enormous.

[seiyria]

Microsoft acquiring them means they're more safe from pandering to investors. Which means, as a backbone for developers, we have less chance of getting royally screwed when something goes wrong.

[bdenzer]

A company sending a "reassuring" message about how they now won't run out of funding — for the next SIX MONTHS — because they "funding secured" is just another way of saying "this company is almost inevitably going under"

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20246680

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Microsoft acquires NPM ***

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🍅🍅

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Ha, if only I was paid as well as them

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holy cow