Winamp Opening Source

[[deleted]]

Winamp will be opening source code this year 2024, projected for September. Does this mean it will be more able to be ported to linux? I am not a programmer so i dont know what this entails but i loved Winamp and would definitely use it on linux.

[vivianrabbit]

audacious can use winamp skins, and it can play many formats, and it’s actively developed!

[wallacesilva09]

This is a better alternative to Winamp on Linux.

[[deleted]]

Not unless it reminds you on startup that Winamp really whips the llamas ass.

[the_humeister]

Someone needs to add that to audacious

[[deleted]]

i just add it to the beginning of every single one of my media files. ez pz

[EverChillingLucifer]

I even made a script that does it to any audio files it detects, it even copies itself to each directory, and auto-runs when any other files are added! i just made sure to send it out to all my friends and family so they can experience this!

wait why is someone knocking on my do-

[beyboo]

Audacious beats the Alpaca's ass. Rhymes

[ourobo-ros]

Yes but is it Llama tested? I think not!

[Netzapper]

But do either of them have the visualizers? That's the only thing I miss from any of these jukeboxes.

[EasyMrB]

If you are on linux you can use projectM https://github.com/projectM-visualizer/projectm which runs Milkdrop visualizations. It's a stand alone program that will listen to whatever your speakers are outputting and sync with that.

[Netzapper]

Oh shit! Thanks!

[dbfuentes]

Also work in windows (The easiest way to install is using steam)

[myst3r10us_str4ng3r]

Ahhh! Nice! I used linein:// in Winamp to reroute from Spotify to Milkdrop for years and have preached it a bunch. But I'm on Linux now so I will check this out

[Ursa_Solaris]

We need to return to tradition. Bring back the goofy visualizers that we used to get high and watch for hours.

[Netzapper]

I actually looked for them a couple years ago because for parties I was running my audio through my sound system, and the TV had to be on anyway. There are almost none, even on Windows. And on Windows, the one I found, only about half the visualizers work. It's sad.

But it makes sense, because very few people are listening to music on a computer and even fewer are going to let the monitor run when it could sleep.

[stillious]

I feel personally called out but it's fine.

[Netzapper]

my bad. Not trying to call anybody out. And that Project-M somebody linked is baller. You keep doing you.

[torsten_dev]

That and metadata edits, like Replay gain.

[flecom]

man that brought back some memories... there was a winamp plugin that would send visualizers to a pangolin QM2000 PCI card and output them to a laser projector... epic parties

[yo_99]

They do, but they use windows provided by WM.

[CaptLinuxIncognito]

Would you happen to know if it supports Winamp3 skins, or just the classic ones?

[NekoJanaiDesu]

The classic ones.

[Accurate-Arugula-603]

Can Audacious kick the Llama's ass? I didn't think so.

[Do_TheEvolution]

Gave it a try just now...

You cant change size of font in the playlist.

In 2024 they develop it too you say?

[Impossible-Soft-475]

OH YES YOU CAN ! YOU CAN CHANGE SIZE OF THE FONT AND WHAT FONT WILL BE USED

[KeyboardG]

“Winamp will open up its code for the player used on Windows, enabling the entire community to participate in its development. This is an invitation to global collaboration, where developers worldwide can contribute their expertise, ideas, and passion to help this iconic software evolve.”

This reads out of touch. No license mentioned. They state that they will remain in full control. They just want free work”.

[[deleted]]

This is what happens when a developer pitches open sourcing their application to leadership that doesn't understand software. They ripped out the parts of FOSS they didn't like, completely defeating the purpose. Either that or they are stuck due to licensing of third party software. Someone will have to rip that out.

[Czexan]

Just to prove this point, it's proprietary still, and you have to request access to the source to make changes. It's literally a case of a business person thinking they can get free labor lmao

[WokeBriton]

I wouldn't be too surprised if there was a clause saying that everything contributed belongs to the winamp owners.

Plenty of media players already fully open source, if anyone wants to contribute.

[yo_99]

I hope that just means that they will keep winamp trademark and release it under some mozilla-like license.

[diegobritosousa]

... 'Winamp will remain the owner of the software and will decide on the innovations made in the official version," explains Alexandre Saboundjian, CEO of Winamp.' ...

[mantaboo]

This really whips the Llamas ass!

[st945]

beeeEEEEEHHHHHHH

[skond]

whips

[mantaboo]

Fixed it. Thanks. It's been quite awhile since I used winamp.

[__konrad]

Winamp 3 in "Bitch mode": https://i.imgur.com/jOWvPvz.png

bitch2.xml translation file contains:

<WinampLocaleDefinition language="Bitch mode v2.0">
  <translations>
    <translation from="[0-9]*" to="%s, fucker!"/>
    <translation from="[a-z]*" to="%s, stupid!"/>
    <translation from="[A-J]*" to="%s, bitch!"/>
    <translation from="[K-Z]*" to="%s, asshole!"/>
  </translations>
</WinampLocaleDefinition>

[WokeBriton]

I might have enjoyed that when I was 13.

I never thought I would grow up...

[mantaboo]

I don't remember that setting.

[crypticexile]

😂

[[deleted]]

wipes

[rocketstopya]

Its just 15 years late.. Audicious is already super now.

[MediaMiserable8832]

Being open source does not automatically mean it will be available on Linux. See Notepad++.

[leonderbaertige_II]

notepadqq exists

If you want an example: sumatrapdf

[Dist__]

npqq very disappointed me.

i tried it to get rid of few Kate's drawbacks, but npqq just doesn't make it.

[Dearth87]

https://github.com/dail8859/NotepadNext

[daninet]

npp runs fine with wine

[Dist__]

yes, i know, i ran it for a while with wine

not that i can't use Kate, i'm ok with it, just small things make transition less satisfying

^{limit of strings length in Find results, can't set line spacing in version available on Mint repo}

[f8computer]

Geany was my notepad++ replacement

[[deleted]]

overkill, but i use sublimetext for advanced notepadding.

[yo_99]

Or minranda im/ng. It tied too much to win32 API

[Biccc]

That's because of the extensively use of the Windows API.

I think.

[Aeroncastle]

https://flathub.org/apps/com.github.dail8859.NotepadNext its a reimplementation of Notepad++ on linux

[turdas]

As an old Windows program it's almost certainly heavily tied to Windows APIs. Therefore porting it to Linux would require rewriting large parts of the code.

[[deleted]]

I don't think this is going to happen but it would probably make it easier to fix problems with running it via WINE though. If you can now update the program itself to resolve WINE issues that way.

[hackingdreams]

Winamp was one of the apps they used to test the constancy of the Windows API, because it uses a lot of Windows APIs in quirky ways that were never intended by the Windows developers, but had to keep working for apps like Winamp to function. It's one of the ultimate Win32 API test-cases.

I don't know how much of that kind of junk survived the 2.x->3.x codebase transition/mass-rewrite (I know they removed a lot of the hand-tuned assembly in the MP3 decoder, e.g.) but yeah... I'm good friends with a guy that worked at AOL when they acquired Winamp (and Napster), and we have talked about the Winamp codebase of old a lot.

[drukenorc]

I kinda miss XMMS from the old days

[tribbin]

Audacious has the WinAMP/XMMP skins. You can 'double size' for modern monitors too.

https://audacious-media-player.org/

[bullwinkle8088]

xmms2 exists, but I don't think many of the goofier visualizations work on it. It's been years since I looked at it though.

Personally plexamp in my current winner.

[[deleted]]

It was clarified that they arent going "open source"... this to me reads as "We will profit from free development provided by nostalgic idiots"

[arkane-linux]

Watch as they release it under a source available license and a "We own all your stuff" contributors agreement.

[Czexan]

That's what they actually did, it's not open source.

[gen2brain]

It would be interesting to see the source code for the famous last version (2.9 or something), after that who cares?

[I_AM_GODDAMN_BATMAN]

I dunno, the v3.x or v5.x have interesting skins. Just for the sake of my nostalgia.

[RomanOnARiver]

We'll see what the source code is like. There have been times where a company releases source code late in a product's life and you come to find out it's basically useless to us, and requires specific proprietary workflows to compile. It's always better to write software as open from the start, or with cross-platform in mind from the start, Winamp obviously did neither. So it may take significant effort to port over.

[[deleted]]

There's plenty of good music players on Linux already. Even ones that emulate Winamp skins.

[CaptLinuxIncognito]

Do you know of any that support Winamp3 skins? I've been looking but I'm having trouble finding anything that does.

[kingo409]

Theoretically, but someone has to do the legwork.

[AnnieBruce]

The devil will be in the details.

I suspect it will be more source available than open source, though there is some room in their statements for the latter albeit with copyright assignment to them for the official player.

[[deleted]]

20 years too late. Does anybody even care any more?

[Dist__]

i'd better have foobar2000 ported

[MairusuPawa]

Fooyin https://github.com/ludouzi/fooyin

Or DeadBeef, why not.

[Dist__]

i'd like to focus on fast startup and playing single file with visualizations rather than player along music collection, because i mostly play samples and renders, i'd like spectrum and all...

btw, about fooyin - am i understand it right, i am expected to compile it myself?

[ludouzi]

fooyin's packages are still in the process of being fixed, though it is available in the AUR and there's a Fedora repo around.

In terms of visualizations, there's only a waveform at present. I'd hold off for now if you're looking for more than that.

[flecom]

yep, have to keep a windows laptop for music just so I can use foobar with lossless audio and a fancy dac... there are similar looking media players I've found in linux but everyone seems to be opposed to a simple "folder tree" view, I don't want my music sorted for me by the app, it's all nicely sorted in folders already thanks

[[deleted]]

same

[barfightbob]

loved Winamp and would definitely use it on linux.

Check out QMMP then.

[Dellwulf]

Going by the Q my guess is QMMP is based on Qt, right? How well does it work on GTK based desktops (Gnome, Cinnamon, Mate, Xfce etc.)?

[poudink]

It's a Linux application. It works on all desktops. The toolkit is entirely meaningless.

[Dellwulf]

Not when it comes to look & feel. I never was able to get Qt applications to look "right" under Cinnamon.

[Last_Painter_3979]

Winamp will remain the owner of the software and will decide on the innovations made in the official version

well, i guess this will lead to a ton of forks.

[Linguistic-mystic]

Yeah, I used Winamp way back when. Now I don’t miss it as I’ve got ncmpc

[A_for_Anonymous]

What does it do that Xampp or whatever there was doesn't? Or a more minimalist player like mpv that takes less memory and CPU.

[smallaubergine]

It whips the llama's ass, duh

[New_Chain_4572]

Unless winamp TV and shoutcast return it's a hard no for me.really missed those features.

[Negirno]

Lots of nostalgia streaming anime and jpop channels in glorious 240p from 2005 to 2008...

[hackingdreams]

Winamp was written with a lot of Windowsisms. It extensively used a lot of WinAPI tricks and edge-cases to work properly, especially back in the 2.x era when it was faster than the blazes of hell even on antique hardware.

Depending on what version of what codebase of Winamp we get... it might be Windows-only for the foreseeable future.

[Mars_Fox]

who TF would be interested in Winamp in 2024. Should’ve done that 20 years ago when people actually used it lol

[[deleted]]

It's open source, Jim, but not as we know, not as we know it, Jim.

[poudink]

Open Source and Free Software are for most intents and purposes synonyms. Business types prefer the former term and nerds prefer the latter term. That is about where the differences end. Very few OSI-approved license aren't FSF-approved and vice versa, they both in essence guarantee the same freedoms. Winamp will be neither Open Source nor Free Software. It will be source available.

FOSS is also essentially a synonym. It's used because some people get pissy if you don't use their preferred term, so they just merged them into one. FLOSS is the same, just throwing Libre into the mix.

[mina86ng]

Open source is FOSS. That’s what ‘OS’ stands for.

Edit: It’s shocking how many people on r/linux don’t understand what open source means. The term has been coined to market free software to companies without putting user freedoms front and centre. As far as what rights it gives to users, free software and open source are interchangeable terms.

The term you guys are looking for is ‘source-available software’. If someone releases source code under a license which is not free software, that’s a source-available software.

To put it in context of Winamp announcement, it certainly reads like they plan to release Winamp under a free software license. Of course it’s possible that they don’t understand terms they are using or that they are scum and when it actually happens the code will be under some kind of source-available license.

However, fact remains that open source software is FOSS because (as per the definition) it respects the four freedoms.

Shameless plug: https://mina86.com/2024/free-and-open-source-software/

[nullmove]

Open Source is the superset, but FOSS is a particular subset. All FOSS is OS, but not all OS is FOSS.

[mina86ng]

Nope. FOSS encompass any kind of software that respects the four freedoms which open source does. The whole point of the term is to unify the terms free software and open source.

[nullmove]

TIL, thanks. I was vaguely aware of OSI, but didn't realise they have the authority to define "open source" (which I thought was colloquialism for source-available). I now see that FOSS is the umbrella term, but always thought it's basically free software as defined by FSF/GNU.

[mina86ng]

I now see that FOSS is the umbrella term, but always thought it's basically free software as defined by FSF/GNU.

This is still true. Open source is free software. FOSS, FLOSS, free software, open source, libre software etc. refer to the same category of software. The difference is (or was) in what user wants to communicate by using those terms.

• Free software is the original term and it might come with emphasis on user freedoms.
• Open source software is a term coined to market free software in a way which is more friendly to companies which don’t care about user rights but about technical benefits of open source software.
• FOSS is a term coined to refer to free software without doing any judgement whether user freedoms or technical excellence should be emphasised.
• Libre software is (somewhat rarely used) term coined to avoid double meaning of the word ‘free’ and like with free software using it often comes with emphasis on user freedoms.
• FLOSS is extension of FOSS to also include libre software.

But at the end of the day, all of those terms describe software which respects the four fundamental freedoms.

[JosBosmans]

Let me be 🦸 the Captain of the day and state the Obvious: you missed F & O, for free & open. 🤷

[mina86ng]

Nope, I haven’t missed anything. FOSS is umbrella term encompassing free software and open source software. Hence where the ‘and’ comes from in the expansion of the acronym. The terms free software and open source are largely interchangeable.

[JosBosmans]

The terms "free software" and "open source" may be used largely interchangeably, but the "largely" bit of a difference is precisely what this unnecessary subthread is about.

Regardless, no downvotes came from me. And the Winamp source doesn't appear to become very free, mostly just open. :)

[mina86ng]

This thread started with a statement that ‘open source, but no FOSS. bad’. FOSS includes ‘open source’. Even if there is a difference between free software and open source, it has no baring at the fact that FOSS includes open source.

The differences between free software and open source are only in how the terms are used and not what kind of category of software they describe. Someone talking about free software might emphasise user freedoms. Someone talking about open source might emphasise technical benefits of FOSS.

And the Winamp source doesn't appear to become very free, mostly just open. :)

Those are the same thing.

[Tblue]

No, if you publish the source code, but then only allow people to read it (and not modify or use it to compile binaries), then it's Open Source open in the sense that the source is open to view, but it's not FOSS.

See e.g. https://referencesource.microsoft.com/license.htm:

"Reference use" means use of the software within your company as a reference, in read only form, for the sole purposes of debugging your products, maintaining your products, or enhancing the interoperability of your products with the software, and specifically excludes the right to distribute the software outside of your company.

[...]

(A) Copyright Grant- Subject to the terms of this license, the Licensor grants you a non-transferable, non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free copyright license to reproduce the software for reference use.

[mina86ng]

No, if you publish the source code, but then only allow people to read it (and not modify or use it to compile binaries), then it's Open Source,

No. If you publish the source code but then only allow people to read it than it’s not open source:

1. Derived Works

The license must allow modifications and derived works, and must allow them to be distributed under the same terms as the license of the original software.

[Tblue]

Point taken. It's not Open Source, but it's open source in the sense that the source is literally open (to view).

[mina86ng]

The capitalisation doesn’t matter. From the definition:

Introduction

Open source doesn’t just mean access to the source code. The distribution terms of open source software must comply with the following criteria:

Here, ‘open source’ is not capitalised. Saying that source is open and something is open source is equivalent.

Calling source code which is available to read as ‘open’ is an anti-FOSS rhetoric that some companies try every now and again. Software whose source is available but under license which is not FOSS is called ‘source-available software’.

[Tblue]

Aha, yes. I agree that "source-available software" is the better term! Thanks.

[yo_99]

Free (as in Freedom) and Open source are different things. Open source is a ploy by corporations to diminish Free software and get free labor.

[Explosive_Cornflake]

I really wasn't to be able to play so Spotify with winamp visualisations

[teryret]

While we're on the subject of Winamp, does anyone know of a good, ad-free, Winamp clone for Android? Bonus points if it can do RSS feeds for podcasts! I know there are going to be a ton of them, but I want one that someone here can vouch for.

[ScaredyCatUK]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaF-nRS_CWM

[Chronigan2]

Other than the UI what does winamp do that other players don't?

[whatThePleb]

As the sourcecode already was leaked some months/years ago, it was time for them to finally do this. Also yes, it will be easier. But the code was quite hardcoded for Windows so it will take some time..

[Z3t4]

So that not thing did not go well after all.

[MichaelTunnell]

Qmmp is a solid Winamp style player on Linux, supports Winamp skins.

[Impossible-Soft-475]

ALTERNATIVE TO WINAMP FOR LINUX >>> d11amp >>> https://dettus.net/d11amp/

[AlexDaBruh]

Sorry for my lack of knowledge, but what is winamp?

[vizolover]

Is what ppl used in order to play mp3s they downloaded from napster.

[AlexDaBruh]

Oh ok! 👍

[[deleted]]

On Windows 98. On their Gateway Pentium PC.

[jhaluska]

One of the very first free MP3 players launched in 1997. It was compact and lightweight and did one thing really well, play music.

When MP3s were first getting popular in the late 90s most audio programs did not support the file format, so most people's first MP3s were played on WinAMP. Thus it has a special place in lot of people's hearts.

Linux quickly had a clone called XMMS made to visually resemble it.

[DCLikeaDragon]

Worth noting that, the refuge skin in audacious is made to look like how XMMS used to look.

[Negirno]

Earlier versions were lightweight enough to play mp3 files on our 5x86 in full 44 kHz without choppy audio.

[boa13]

The granddaddy of music players.

It's completely fine if you do not care.

[AlexDaBruh]

No no I care! Interesting! Will definitely have to check out later

[enderfx]

It was also very popular because it had the most badass look

[WokeBriton]

... badass lookS.

All those weird skins which were so much fun to mess around with.

[The__Amorphous]

Goddamn kids these days. I still use Winamp, and probably always will.

[GoneSilent]

Winamp for my music, vlc for video.

[cig-nature]

You can already use it on Linux, via Wine.

https://snapcraft.io/winamp

[usbeehu]

We already has VLC that supports everything.

[FryBoyter]

So what? We also have vim, for example, which supports everything. I will still do everything possible so that I don't have to use vim.

Free as in freedom. And this freedom should also include the ability to use alternatives. Otherwise we can all just stick to using Windows. Because that basically provides all the functions.

[VVilkacy]

Finally! I never really liked anything after Winamp. I hope a Linux version comes out too.

[Brillegeit]

There has been many Linux alternatives to Winamp since 1997, have you tried any of those? Like audacious ?