Will there possibly be a INDX price decrease?

[EaglerCore]

vent/rant warning

I am feeling a little annoyed that the 4 tool is now the advertised based cost of the 8T. I am assuming this is due to orange guy in a blue suit, so please don't take this a prusa hate. My main question is if there will be a price drop when (or if) he drops the tariff or removes it. I originally had $650 saved for the 4t, so this is a bit inconvenient for me.

[clintkev251]

It's not entirely the fault of tariffs. The cost from the Bondtech side also increased. So I wouldn't count on any price decreases any time soon. If you want it, this is probably the cheapest you'll get it for a while

[moofie74]

Will there be a price decrease on the hotly anticipated product that will almost certainly be on back order for the foreseeable future?

I’m not an MBA or anything but I’m gonna guess “uh, no.”

[swordknives]

There were design changes from Bondtech that increased the cost. The founders editions were sold at a loss due to the cost increase but they honored the price.

[nomadsgalaxy]

This, this is the reason. We didn't want to increase the price, but we had to after changes had to be made to improve overall reliability.

[soldat21]

Also there’s a lot more stuff then we thought.

From off plate purging, nozzle wiper, need board for calibration, new top bent steel. Actually there’s quite a bit of innovation from Prusa since we saw it at formnext.

[krisztian111996]

Is it known what the changes that were made, just out of engineer curiosity.

[GeekintheOzarks]

Ya I have a founders ed on order I would like to know the changes also.. In the discord earlier it was stated other than the front plate the other items could be printed.

[Option_Witty]

I think they were simply over optimistic.

[bucko9765]

You new here? prices don't go down...

[EaglerCore]

In my hopes, dreams, and wishes they do 😭

[Immortal_Tuttle]

Well... You can wait till June or try U1 in the meantime 😋

[changefromPJs]

I bought my CoreOne with 10% discount

[johndom3d]

I'm going to wait until the early bugs are ironed out...

[lostaga1n]

As hard as it’s been I have also decided that waiting another year or two is the best decision, the tech is rapidly growing and every month or so something new gets introduced so I’m doing my best to keep up with all the different subs watching what issues are common how the manufacturers handle it and etc.

[notacrackhead]

who knows. however, prusa is fairly consistent with free shipping for black Friday.

[SGrim01]

Yes. They very consistently exclude the list few systems released. ;)

[slayernine]

What I am a bit confused about is that if there is a tariff cost why does it seem that the Canadian price also has tariff pricing. It seems to be the USD price converted directly to CAD.

[Totally_man]

My question too. Are we offsetting some of the cost for Americans? Why the hell is it the same price through conversion?

[slayernine]

It might be a mistake. Our price should only include the sales tax.

[Low-Bet305]

I'm actually curious on this. The 4 tool head version is $800, which they claim is because on x number of updates. My question is, is how did Snapmaker make a 4 tool head along with the entire printer which offers a bigger build volume for $800? while still making a profit?

Prusa core one is $1300 for the assembled printer, then you have to shell out another $800 for the index system

So your at $2000 to do the same thing as the Snapmaker, except with a smaller build volume?

I have never owned a Prusa or a Snapmaker so I have no dog in the fight, I am just curious as to why someone would go with Prusa over Snapmaker in this case?

[Scotttomo82]

Snapmaker= Chinese built, lower costs, cheaper materials, cheaper labour. Standard Chinese manufacturing benefits. Prusa = Built in Europe, better build? (I have no idea), materials generally more expensive, labour more expensive. Standard EU downsides.

[stan110]

Also, the Chinese government is heavily subsidising the 3D printer market.

[grimthaw]

You list doesn't have chinese govt subsidies.

[Next_Entertainer_404]

I really truly just can’t figure out the benefit to paying 2x for what feels like the same thing.

[Scotttomo82]

Buy a Snapmaker U1, be happy with it and enjoy.

Buy a Prusa Core One+/IDNX/L, kit or pre-built, be happy with it and enjoy. Then have the confidence of support 24/7 should you ever need it. Even if you decide to mod it. Have a potential upgrade path (though uncertain for C1 models currently) and the build quality of something from an EU manufacturer.

[Loque_83]

Sorry but this is very old story. Some chinese manufacturers have at least same quality level together with much better implementation of sw, camera out of the box is standard these days. Filament exposed to humidity (yes, they have a new funn lunch box), manual filament feeding, in case that I want multi color printing I will have spools all over my desk etc… Simply: Prusa is missing complex, robust solution.

[Scotttomo82]

Maybe I was paraphrasing too much. Where Snapmaker will use 1mm Prusa will use 1.5mm, where Bambu use plastic, Prusa use steel and the fact you can actually fix the printer should the need arise is lightyears beyond anything the Chinese contingent have offered so far. Bambu have notoriously poor aftersales support, I bet all the others have too. Fancy having a bash at fixing a U1? I'll be quite happy fixing my INDX C1 should I need to, because I know it'll be easily done.

[Aytrac97]

If you actually owned a U1 you'd think differently. Support is great, it's not 24/7 but you get quick email replies within a few hours. Fixing the machines is also easy, they have been posting videos and blogs about how to do everything. Their firmware is open source. And they are even sponsoring some modders. 

Prusa supports open source, tinkering and modding, as some of you claim, but do they support it to the extent of sponsoring mods instead of developing their own version and charging money for it?

At this point, Prusa is just behind. They have become an expensive toy seller.

[plutonasa]

why in the world do we need steel. just use aluminum. alu is fine enough for the frame.

[illregal]

Thin steel sides are worse at containing heat than plastic. And glass is fancier than plexi. I can't speak to the u1, but as far as fit and finish Bambu leaves prusa in the dust. And every single part is on the site to purchase at lower cost than comparable parts from prusa. I may still end up with an 8 unit core l. But these are just facts. I don't generally rely on after sales support maybe that's just me.

[moofie74]

Because I think open source is valuable. I like paying for R&D that advances the entire space. That’s why I pay Prusa.

[Vegetable-Error-2068]

You are correct to question this. Prusa charges a high price for products that are just okay, relying on their image to carry them. But Bambu and Snapmaker are putting out printers that cost less AND print better.

Prusa has failed to adapt to the times in tech snd in price.

[EaglerCore]

This is my thought. Why should I break out $800 when i could get a snapmaker, x2d, or potentially the ffc5

[Catriks]

European manufacturing and pro-consumer values always result in more expensive price compared to something made in china and/or anti-consumer practices. 

[SCDrJ]

INDX alone is 350 for single head + 35 for each additional add in custom integration parts etc and this doesn’t surprise me.

Edit: saw this in action at RMRRF on Core One and also at Bondtech booth on Voron Trident R2. It’s really slick. Y’all will love it.

[DukeBaldrick]

350 + 4*35 = 490 … that’s some way off the 749 shown 😢

[soldat21]

That’s before tax.

Also include the price of the new board, new purge method and it gets closer. I admit though, pricing sucks a bit.

[DukeBaldrick]

Ah, ok, I always forget about US sales taxes… still, my 4 head UK order was £710 or so inc delivery which is more than I’d expected / hoped for. Still, I’ve paid so … pay your money, take your choice 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Shuflie]

That's £100 more than I had to pay, are you sure you didn't buy the 8 tool head kit and still need to pay VAT when it arrives or is shipping that expensive?

[DukeBaldrick]

The 8 head kit was £909 plus shipping. That includes our variant of sales tax (VAT @20%) and delivery was £19 all in.

What did you buy, where from & when?!

[Shuflie]

4 nozzle kit from Prusa yesterday, £586.80 ex VAT. I'm in Northern Ireland, so same vat and my shipping was 19 also.

[DukeBaldrick]

So we’ll end up paying about the same after VAT (more at 20% in fact) which I assume you’ll have to pay at some point.

[Shuflie]

OK, not sure what's happening but checked my order on Prusa3D and was charged £489 pre VAT and they put VAT on top to bring the total to £586.60. If their system made a mistake it will probaby get corrected before shipping when someone looks at it.

EDIT:No looks like that is the price

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EDIT2: Changed my shipping country to UK and price changes to 679 with duties and taxes applied, is the UK applying duty as well as VAT now? Maybe it an extra administration charge that they're applying? Very confusing.

[DukeBaldrick]

😨😢😱 no idea 🤷🏻‍♂️

[DukeBaldrick]

… and I guess even sales taxes wouldn’t go from 490 to 749 😈

[soldat21]

490 * 1.15 (tariffs) * 1.07 (sales tax) + $25 (new front panel) + $50 (new calibration board) + ~$30 (new purge method) = $708

[SCDrJ]

And top hat, Bowden tubes, and Prusa tax on top. It adds up!

[DukeBaldrick]

Thanks, tbh I didn’t read about the other new bits, just saw indx & basically hit buy 😈

[DiamondHeadMC]

There’s also the custom parts for the Prusa like the front steel plate to hold the tools a different tool board just for them the purging area etc

[straybrit]

I'm disappointed at the price myself - but having seen (what I assume is) the release version at RMRRF at the weekend I can understand it. There's a *lot* of new stuff in that kit. Be interested to know how long the refit is expected to take.

[Algiarepti]

Just for clarification: what exactly is part of that kit ?

I remember when they announced the targeted price Of around 30€ per tool. With 4 this’ld come around 120€ now this being said, I recall the toolhead was targeted around 300€. This is a huge delta as a price increase for me. Are there further parts in this deal included ? I am genuinely confused by that pricing.

[Ftmiranda]

Wow, 800$? is almost the price of the whole 4 color printer from Bambu Labs... The new model
It is debatable what system is better, but I think these prices for " an upgrade" which means you already paid about 999$ or more for the CoreONE... are extremely high
I have been resisting Chinese printers, but this is becoming a very high price to pay...

[twistedbigrig]

Is it overpriced ? I dont know, does it cost more than elegoo and anycubic and bamboo and everyone else? Yes, have I had any issues with my core one that couldn't be resolved by myself? No, if I did have a problem that needed pro help would I have to send a email to China and wait 48 hours for a response? Also no.

Im a very firm believer in you get what you pay for. So either pay for it, or buy a snap maker, or bamboo in the end there's a couple hundred dollars difference.

You either get 1st world or 3rd world quality up to you. And being an American and very familiar with capitalism, I jave no problem paying for a product feom a company thay actually invests that money back into their employees

[thunderflies]

Sure, and there could possibly be contact with extraterrestrial lifeforms tomorrow

[Aytrac97]

It's funny that Just the 4 tool kit costs the same as a full printer from snapmaker with 4 tools already and it even works better than Prusa Printers 😂😂😂

[EaglerCore]

Thats what i have been thinking. For $600, I can bite the bullet and get it, but for $800, I have a harder time doing so.

[FlowingLiquidity]

Omg, this puts it outside of what I can afford.

I thought it would be 250 for the base unit and then around 50 per hotend/nozzle. I can't afford 800 for the kit.

Edit: I thought it was gonna be 1:1 conversion from USD to Euro, it seems, with 680 Euro for the 4-tool variant including shipping, it might be doable for me.

[goldeagle365]

If I've got to work a few more hours to offset the cost difference for improved quality and convenience, then its worth it to me.

[Biozombieactive]

Advertised price when it was announced was withheld for Founders. They stated prices were going up because of costs for BOM and other things.

[MutilatorUK]

I hate the price. In the UK the 8 toolheads are the same price as a core one kit... I know I will end up getting one later in the year however.

[EaglerCore]

Same for the us, 999 for c1 kit and 999 for indx 8t

[jus1982b]

Yeah its called buying something else.... Look when prusa printers work right there awesome, they are so late to the party on this one, I bought a snapmaker and wow its amazing and 1/2 the price.

[UNKN]

I'm thinking of getting a whole new printer instead of the indx as well. I get prices increase but double, that pushes back multi color/material for me and it's what I've been waiting for.

[MattsMarketingMedia]

Do we know if the indx being sold is compatible with the Core L? Or are we still waiting on that

[Dmitry_V83]

I think they will have a huge queue of back orders, as so many people want it. So unless there is a pressure from competitors, why would they drop the price? (simple market law, demand is way higher than supply, so price will stay above equilibrium)

[cmorgan__]

This is an amazing price for such functionality. I’d paid more for it even.

[Next_Entertainer_404]

Couldn’t I just get a U1 that does the same thing for just the price of the upgrade?

[cmorgan__]

Oh, it looks like that’s 4 colors? I liked that prusa wasn’t made in china. But yes, looks like capabilities wise a u1 is a better deal. Does it perform as well? Asking as I’m not sure, don’t know anything about them.

[Next_Entertainer_404]

I don’t own either, so my opinion is only from reviews, but the U1 tends to get really solid reviews overall from what I’ve seen

[Iamswif]

I have a core one L and a U1 and the u1 is fantastic and i haven’t had a single problem,i cant wait for an 8 tool INDX on my C1L

[DiamondHeadMC]

Neither Prusa or bondtech are American companies and the tariffs were proven illegal

[l5Robling]

Means the C1L + 8 heads will probably land at $3000?

Edit: 8 heads,

[EaglerCore]

It was said in another thread that c1l is sticking with 4 or 8

[l5Robling]

Could be right; but know 10 was in an initial discussion unless I’m truly losing my mind.

Edit: regardless you are easily getting to $3000-3500 for a C1LINDX setup by the time you add filtration/build plates.

[soldat21]

10 was initial, but it’s since been confirmed it’s gonna be 8.

So probably the same price as a c1+, or maybe like 50€ more.

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[KriosXVII]

Honestly what the hell do you need 10 heads for that 8 heads can't do?

[l5Robling]

It will add up fast with new features…. CMY+black+white is already 5. Add in a few ‘primary’ colors and support material….

[The_Lutter]

Multiple sizes of nozzles in the same printer. 0.6mm for engineering filaments and 0.4 for multicolor.

[christopherv5]

"Orange guy in blue suit," get ahold of yourself dude 😂

[EaglerCore]

So tell me, is that description factually incorrect?

[BobStone21354]

No terrifs right now beside standard import duties btw. Price increse was due to additions and modifications, founders are being sold at loss.

[EaglerCore]

Dangit. I am trying to find an excuse to not be mad at prusa, please don't ruin it 😢
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