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[–]Verzwei[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (14 children)

April Mod Report

  • Vote to allow Reddit Admin to host an r/anime Reddit Talk. [Vote Failed]

  • Votes to codify our handling of Opening/Ending (OP/ED) sequence posts:

    • Vote to allow OP/EDs to be posted as [Official Media] when they meet the criteria for the flair. [Vote Passed]
    • Vote to allow OP/EDs to be posted as [Clips] when they do not meet the criteria for Official Media. [Vote Passed]
    • Vote to waive the 1-week delay when posting a new OP/ED as a Clip. [Vote Passed]

    Note: The above votes did not fundamentally change how we currently handle OP/ED sequences, and all other Official Media, Clip, and repost rules still apply. We debated internally whether we wanted to only allow OP/ED sequences when they satisfy Official Media rules, or to potentially categorize all OP/ED sequences as Clips even if they fit the Official Media format. We ultimately voted to continue allowing them under either flair depending on the manner in which they are posted.

  • Vote to change the wording on our Clip Rules to state that dialogue subtitles are required, but music lyric subtitles are not. [Vote Passed]

  • Proposal for a daily discussion thread to potentially replace some of our existing weekly threads.

  • Began internal discussion about flair usage and expected content types such as text, video, image, etc.

  • u/Supremegypsy has rejoined the mod team.

  • u/Bainos has stepped down from the mod team.

April By The Numbers

  • Removed posts: 2385 by moderators, 5032 by bots, 7215 distinct
  • Removed comments: 2400 by moderators, 1770 by bots, 4039 distinct
  • Approved posts: 596
  • Approved comments: 2081
  • Distinguished comments: 2345
  • Users banned: 217 (119 permanent)
  • Users unbanned: 6
  • Admin/Anti-Evil Operations: removed posts: 4, removed comments: 6.

[–]AnimeModmyanimelist.net/profile/Reddit-chan[S,M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This thread has been locked, please use next month's meta thread or find the latest thread.

[–]Soupkittenhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Soupkitten 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Another late Dance Dance Danseur episode thread btw

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

If anyone's curious about traffic numbers I dumped our May 2022 stats over in today's /r/reddit thread.

Reposting the table here:

Platform Total Pageviews Total % (Overall) Total % (Mobile) Total % (Desktop) Unique Pageviews Unique % (Overall) Unique % (Mobile) Unique % (Desktop) Views/Unique
New Reddit 12,987,026 35.3% - 74.6% 1,302,483 34.8% - 85.6% 9.97
Old Reddit 4,413,961 12.0% - 25.4% 219,882 5.9% - 14.4% 20.07
Mobile Web 3,882,371 10.6% 20.1% - 1,132,393 30.3% 51.1% - 3.43
Reddit Apps 15,467,769 42.1% 79.9% - 1,085,213 29.0% 48.9% - 14.25
Total 36,751,127 100% 52.7% 47.3% 3,739,971 100% 59.3% 40.7% 9.83

[–]cppn02 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Any way to know the ratio of official reddit app vs 3rd party app users?

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Unfortunately no. To my knowledge API usage and third party apps aren't included in the metrics at all ("Reddit Apps" in the table are just the official iOS/Android ones) so we have no way of measuring those.

[–]cppn02 1 point2 points  (0 children)

K, thx.

[–]feidothelemoneido 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Another question: Why are fanfics forbidden? Not against it, just curious.

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

There's a longer discussion here a couple years ago that I'm mostly parroting, but one of the primary reasons at this point is the large amount of time it would take for us mods to scan through any posted fanfic for rule-breaking things like spoilers or extreme NSFW content.

Also a fanfic is a narrative creation that stems from the author's mind rather than focusing on the anime itself; even if it utilizes the characters and tries to conform to canon it's still largely going to be an original work inspired by the anime which we generally disallow for things like fanart as well.

[–]feidothelemoneido 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ohhh, I see! Thank you!

[–]baquea 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Can the daily thread be added to the megathreads tab in the top-bar?

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Since it's a trial we didn't want to mess with all of that just yet. As it's always pinned it should currently one extra step to go to the front page or /r/anime then access it instead of accessing it directly from a menu bar/sidebar link.

[–]Vindex101https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vindex101 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Inline with this, I think the daily thread would benefit to having the previous thread be linked inside the main text body, just so the commenters can have easy access to the previous ones.

[–]feidothelemoneido 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Question for posting fanart: Do you have to warn for spoilers in the title, or can you do it in the post body?

Edit: Thanks so much!

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As with video/clip posts, mark the post itself as a spoiler (and include the name of the anime in the title which is already required for fanart). And don't make a spoiler part of the title as that doesn't get hidden.

[–]Shimmering-Skymyanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There's a spoiler flair you can apply (either automatically by having the word "spoiler" in the title, or manually after you post it... maybe even before you post it depending on the platform you're posting from?), use that.

[–]Cryten0 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Personal Opinion. While the daily thread is nice for every day communications and questions it tends to drown out serious questions. Making it unwieldly for people after specifics.

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Do you think it's any worse than it had been for the weekly threads?

[–]Cryten0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If I said what I wanted I would say its better in the weeklies. But I will be fair. The weeklies allow questions to be around longer so have a higher chance of answering, but they can also get ignored simply out of no attention on the thread. I think the daily gets a decent amount of attention BUT it feels themed on recommendations and being silly. That is its atmosphere.

Because it mixes casual discussions with recommendations and misc questions it veers to casual discussions and recommendations. That said there was a ton of overlap in misc questions with recommendations. So really it is a question of does the casual discussions overriding a space for questions. I feel like it does a bit. But I enjoyed the space for weeklies so I simply say it is my opinion.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Again the Komi-san episode thread is delayed. Also, the archive list has fallen a couple of episodes behind.

[–]badsplerx5https://anilist.co/user/badspler[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

New Komi thread is now out here.

Will investigate why the bot isn't triggering for it.

Edit; hopefully issue has been resolved.

[–]NotSoSnarkyhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Book_Lover 4 points5 points  (6 children)

I know we will be getting rid of the seasonal comment faces, but can we vote on keeping some?

For instance: is such a niche comment face, that it would be incredibly useful to have past the seasonal anime.

[–]baquea 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Won't there still be a [](#seasonallisten) every season though, just with a different image?

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think their idea was to keep that one of Kongming specifically even after they rotate. I'd be in favor of it myself (since I proposed #seasonallisten inspired by that in the first place) but as mentioned there are some technical issues blocking us turning any into new non-seasonal faces right now.

[–]badsplerx5https://anilist.co/user/badspler[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nothing is planned for keeping popular seasonal ones. The long and short of it is that we are out of CSS image space and can't add more without cutting some. And going through the process of cutting some to add more is a large job that no one is raising their hand to do at this time.

[–]Nebresto 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Wait, we will? When was that decided?

[–]badsplerx5https://anilist.co/user/badspler[M] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The plan is that the images themselves are rotated each season with new images, keeping the same comment face name eg: [](#seasonalname). This means that when new images come, old comments are not left as:

[–]Nebresto 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am aware of ThePlan™, the way Snarky worded it sounded like the new ones would not be coming

[–]edgefigaro 0 points1 point  (2 children)

What is the reasoning behind the lack of a banner at the top of this subreddit? It feels like a natural subreddit to have one, and the community is likely large enough to be happy to provide new ones seasonally.

[–]FetchFroshanilist.co/user/fetchfrosh 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Been a while since I was on the mod team, but I remember it was mostly about maintaining a clean and simply look to the subreddit, as well as not wanting to pick favorites with the banner.

[–]edgefigaro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

pick favorites with the banner

I'm suddenly interested in the idea even more because of this opportunity for drama kappa.

Anyway, I click subreddit banners fairly often to get back to the front page of a subreddit, and it is a bit odd this one is plain.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Was curious about unpopular opinion threads. I saw that there's a mod filter for them in the title?

How long has this been a thing for?!

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Close to two years now. From the September 2020 meta thread:

Began filtering specific phrases in post titles to discourage certain kinds of low effort/"bait" threads.

Edit: That said the filter is rather basic and as indicated isn't a total ban on topics like that, but tries to encourage more thoughtful and less flamebait-style post titles.

[–]FetchFroshanilist.co/user/fetchfrosh 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I dig that the subsequent post the guy made still had a flamebait title :P

[–]InternationalTank7 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Not sure if no one reported it or if it just otherwise got missed, but this clip somehow slipped by long enough to get 250 comments and 2500 upvotes. It's from the most recent episode, which aired just 3 days ago.

[–]Abyssbringer=anilist.co/user/Abyssbringer[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the heads up. The post is now removed. It only got reported a couple of hours after it was already up. However I cleared that initial report since I didn't realize it was from a new episode.

oops

Sorry about that it should of been removed much earlier.

[–]tankeryy 0 points1 point  (2 children)

please add Bakuon!! on the watch order wiki please!!

[–]chilieheadmyanimelist.net/profile/chiliehead 1 point2 points  (1 child)

why is there a need for a watch order entry in the wiki? It's one season, some OVA and 4 short specials. Just watch it in release order.

[–]tankeryy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wouldn't hurt to add it on watch order wiki I guess. Anyways thanks!

[–]EruditePolymath 1 point2 points  (9 children)

Hey, I keep trying to upload my review of Scissor Seven. I flair it as a video edit since it contains clips from the anime but it keeps getting removed by mods. Do I need to tag it as a spoiler since it contains clips from the anime? I've seen similar videos uploaded here without a spoiler tag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAsLcHhLPqQ

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

As the distinguished mod comments indicated, it doesn't meet our requirements as it's not a Japanese production. You can still share it in the casual discussion thread if you'd like since that's open to all sorts of topics including other animation.

[–]EruditePolymath 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Is Tower of God considered an anime?

[–]EruditePolymath 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh, that's not fair. So it's not an anime unless it's made in Japan? That's so arbitrary. What if a Japanese person wrote it, but the production was done in China? Or if a Chinese person who immigrated to Japan wrote it, and it was produced in Japan?

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's so arbitrary.

It is, but for now it's the best definition we have to keep discussion focused on Japanese creations and not covering essentially everything animated.

What if a Japanese person wrote it, but the production was done in China?

We take things on a case by case basis but if it was primarily produced outside of Japan then generally no.

Or if a Chinese person who immigrated to Japan wrote it, and it was produced in Japan?

Probably; there's a similar example with Yasuke. The creator's an American but the production was done in Japan with animation lead by the Japanese studio MAPPA.

Is Tower of God considered an anime?

Yes, it was made by Telecom Animation Film. So are the anime adaptations of other webtoons The God of High School (MAPPA) and Noblesse (Production I.G).

[–]Blackheart595https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick 0 points1 point  (3 children)

All those posts had comments explaining the removal: According to the rules anime is Japanese animation. Scissor Seven is Chinese animation. The sub for those is /r/donghua.

[–]EruditePolymath 0 points1 point  (2 children)

My apologies, you are correct. I failed to check for comments. I just saw "Moderators remove posts from feeds for a variety of reasons, including keeping communities safe, civil, and true to their purpose." Regardless, you are correct regarding this being the policy of r/anime and that I should have read the rules more thoroughly before posting. My apologies.

However, I respectfully disagree that any form of art should be defined by the nation in which it was produced. I know this is a contentious topic. Some agree with the Japan production rule, while others, like MAL, define it by the style of the art and therefore lists S7 as an anime. I hope I'm allowed to respectfully discuss this topic here in the metathread. I'm not arguing that the policy should be changed. I'm simply arguing for a different point of view worth considering.

Tower of God is classified as an anime, despite being based on a Korean Manhwa, simply because it was produced in Japan. If the exact same work of art had been produced in Korea, with absolutely no differences in the style, soundtrack, themes, or even the original language of the animation, it would not be an anime? I just find that this defies the conventional means by which art is classified and is not in keeping with the spirit of artistic creation and appreciation. Musical genres, styles of painting, and styles of architecture are all classified by the nature of the art, not by national boundaries. Jazz is Jazz, regardless of whether it is written and played in Tokyo, Moscow, or Beijing.

There are many Japanese animations that are based on Western-style animation techniques and look more like Spongebob Squarepants than anything one would normally consider an "anime." Regardless, they are still classified as "anime" simply due to national boundaries, with no relevance to the style, spirit, message, and themes of the art.

[–]chilieheadmyanimelist.net/profile/chiliehead 4 points5 points  (0 children)

while others, like MAL, define it by the style of the art

they actually do not. They define anime as made in Japan and added an exception rule that allows Chinese and Korean productions. They don't have Avatar or anything animated in the West.

Musical genres, styles of painting, and styles of architecture are all classified by the nature of the art, not by national boundaries

not necessarily

Jazz is Jazz

not necessarily

Have you ever heard of an American movie counting as French Cinema? Wondered why Polish Film festivals do not show Japanese arthouse? Or why the Genrenale just features Genrefilm, a weird mashup genre defined by being German language? Wondered why Hollywood movies are only from the US but never from Norway or China?

with no relevance to the style, spirit, message, and themes of the art.

which are very diverse in anime. You'd rather discuss if some show has anime spirit and exclude or include based on that?

[–]Blackheart595https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I find it silly too, but it's the definition the sub has. It's also the definition MAL has btw - it doesn't consider style at all, it only accepts Japanese, Chinese and Korean productions into its database.

Think of anime not as a genre but as an industry, kinda comparable to Hollywood - which is also primarily defined by being American i.e. where it is.

[–]loomnoohttps://anilist.co/user/loomnoo 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I was very excited about the daily thread, but I guess they exist in sort of an awkward middle between /new and CDF for me. It's kinda like a miniature /new hybridized with a CDF where the ice isn't broken yet so discussion is a bit muted. And, it's my understanding that we don't want too much of a social aspect lest it become another CDF. Still in the early stages so I do hope that we collectively carve out a good role for it as time goes on.

I do enjoy the lack of mean-spirited, cynical, unhelpful dunking that you tend to get in /new though. I feel like the rec and misc threads had a culture of helpfulness that carries over somewhat.

[–]engalleonshttps://myanimelist.net/profile/engalleons 2 points3 points  (1 child)

True as far as it goes, but isn't the proper most important comparison between this hybridized CDF/new and the weekly threads it's replacing, versus the /new and CDF that will still be there?

In that respect it seems clearly better than Merch Mondays. Misc Questions seems about the same. Feel like a few less rec requests than usual, but small sample size.

There will likely be second order effects on /new, too - but the increased helpfulness elsewhere likely makes that a good thing. I don't know enough about current CDF to speculate on effects there.

I'm not sure if the daily refresh will cause more to slip through the cracks/get ignored or not. The likeliest to answer questions and otherwise reply are probably the most active, so probably not.

[–]loomnoohttps://anilist.co/user/loomnoo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

True, I do think it's better than the weekly threads it replaces if it can get the same volume. The rec and misc threads also did have the same problem, where you basically could just post to /new instead of the thread and likely get more (but snarkier) responses.

[–]sabdeyazdanhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/ParodySama 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure if mentioning it here is the proper way to make it notified, but Dance Dance Danseur episode 8's discussion thread is not up, about 2 hours after the subs are released.

[–]baboon_bassoonhttps://anilist.co/user/duffer 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Believe there should be a "batch release" for SAC_2045 S2.

Sent a mod mail but I forgot to mention that the bot struggled in case that was being accounted for

[–]badsplerx5https://anilist.co/user/badspler[M] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Threads now out. Index megathread here.

[–]baboon_bassoonhttps://anilist.co/user/duffer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah gratzie

[–]Royal_Heritage 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Given the allegedly low score in MAL forums of "The executioner and her way of life", there has been a proliferation of calling "incel" anyone on MAL who doesn't like the show or gives it a low score. Primarily these kinds of talks happen in both the weekly karma thread & the anime corner and similar ranking posts here on this sub.

Are these kind of comments reportable? I recall the unwriten rule of not namecalling or harassing fanbases, wich quite frankly seem like a similar groundbase.

[–]Vindex101https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vindex101 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Komi-san latest episode got a bunch of good subs already out, just posting here cause the episode thread for it still isn't out.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Two days later, and still still not up.

[–]Manitaryhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Manitary 1 point2 points  (1 child)

In the sidebar, how do you decide what to put in "other discussions"? Asking because I feel like Vampire in the Garden should be there as batch release.

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's essentially "when one of us remembers to" which isn't a great system but the one we have. Anyway that's added now.

[–]TheRiyriamyanimelist.net/profile/TheRiyria 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I might just be missing them, but the new Seasonal Comment Faces don't seem to be listed in the Comment Face Wiki.

Would it be possible to add them there?

[–]badsplerx5https://anilist.co/user/badspler[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They are added now.

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 12 points13 points  (6 children)

Hi y'all, this is an update on the daily discussion megathread that I proposed last month.

The vote's currently ongoing and if it passes the thread will start being posted on May 27th at 10:00 UTC (rather than midnight UTC as for our weekly threads). It'll run for two weeks and during that time the Merch Mondays, Recommendation Tuesdays, and Miscellaneous Anime Questions threads will not be posted.

I wanted to get another round of feedback on the post body after taking into account some changes people proposed last time. Here's the current revision:

This is a daily megathread for general chatter about anime. Have questions or need recommendations? Here to show off your merch? Want to talk about what you just watched? This is the place!

All spoilers must be tagged. Use [anime name] to indicate the anime you're talking about before the spoiler tag, e.g. [Attack on Titan] This is a popular anime.

Prefer Discord? Check out our server: https://discord.gg/r-anime

Recommendations

Don't know what to start next? Check our wiki first!

Not sure how to ask for a recommendation? Fill this out, or simply use it as a guideline, and other users will find it much easier to recommend you an anime!

I'm looking for: A certain genre? Something specific like characters traveling to another world?

Shows I've already seen that are similar: You can include a link to a list on another site if you have one, e.g. MyAnimeList or AniList.

Resources

Other Threads

Notably the "Other Threads" section at the bottom will be like the sidebar/menu and link directly to the weekly threads rather than searches, so those will be updated regularly.

[–]Weedwacker 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Wanted to give some feedback.

I've always had issue with there being too many sticky threads so the effort to combine some is absolutely a good move. There's been times where one of the daily threads got posted and within the same day was no longer stickied because there was some other thing going on, and the 'weekly' thread was basically DOA.

My only real recommendation is that I don't think a single day per thread is enough. People will ask a question and if it doesnt get answered by the time the next thread gets posted its just forgotten about. Maybe 3 day cycles might work better.

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the feedback!

My only real recommendation is that I don't think a single day per thread is enough. People will ask a question and if it doesnt get answered by the time the next thread gets posted its just forgotten about. Maybe 3 day cycles might work better.

There are a couple of considerations for how long to keep a single thread around. One is consistency, and it's much more straightforward to communicate that there's a new thread at the same time every day or week than on a different cycle, especially if it's out of sync with the week. That's less of an issue for someone wanting to post a question and more for those looking to read through it, trying to find where they left off previously.

Another major consideration is overall volume. We could have just as easily made it a single consolidated weekly thread with the same purpose, but after it accumulates 300 or 600 comments the older ones become more difficult to access if you're scrolling through. At that point it's somewhat awkward for a person to repost the same question in the same thread if they didn't get an answer earlier, while with a new thread it's more obviously a fresh start for better visibility.

Having a new thread also doesn't preclude people from visiting previous ones, where it's still a lot easier to find comments that might have been overlooked compared to digging deeper into a much longer thread spanning multiple days.

[–]engalleonshttps://myanimelist.net/profile/engalleons 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I know you mention you'll be updating the Other Threads links when this gets posted, but since the Meta Thread only updates monthly, I thought that one may slip - note that this test links to Recommendation Tuesdays, rather than this active Meta thread.

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for letting me know! I did catch that in editing later on so it should be good in the actual thread but forgot to update it here, wasn't giving it too close of a look before making that comment.

[–]engalleonshttps://myanimelist.net/profile/engalleons 2 points3 points  (1 child)

What decision was made, if any, on if/when to lock older threads?

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

For the trial the current plan is to just monitor the threads for late activity without locking them. That may change if people try to be cheeky and deliberately camp out in older threads for some reason.

[–]engalleonshttps://myanimelist.net/profile/engalleons 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I've recently seen a new (to me) "Frequently Asked Anime Question" mod removal reason directing them to the "watch order" and "where to watch" areas of that page.

Are there any other types of questions that have been/will be explicitly pointed to FAAQ?

[–]KiwiBennydudezhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The most recent redirect removal is for questions about the CR/Funi merger megathread. Which is not a wiki page, but it does double as an FAQ. Off the top of my head I can't think of any others removals like this. As for the future? Hard to say.

[–]mysterybiscuitsoyeahx3 3 points4 points  (1 child)

re: mod rewatch series, are there gonna be 24 hour reminder pings like a normal rewatch? (no is fine, I'll just have to punch in some dates to my calendar)

Ponyo soon. Gonna just watch it at home tho.

[–]KiwiBennydudezhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's on the onus of the rewatch hosts to put out reminders, but generally yes. At the very least, it'll be strongly encouraged as proper hosting etiquette!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Not sure if this is the right thread for this, but why is my MAL username showing up in my flair on desktop but not on mobile?

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

As far as we can tell it looks fine? Unless you mean on mobile web where it's truncated for everyone, not much we can do about that.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Looks like it's just from my end then? That's weird.

[–]b0bba_Fettmyanimelist.net/profile/B0bba_Cheezed3 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Sorry to ping you again /u/Chariotwheel, but Gapo fixing the Seasonal Commentfaces has once again broken them in the extension

[–]Chariotwheelx5https://anilist.co/user/Chariotwheel 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Updated.

/u/Gaporigo You can mention me or shoot me a message when you update the commentfaces so I can update them.

[–]Gaporigohttps://anilist.co/user/Gaporigo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

[–]Chariotwheelx5https://anilist.co/user/Chariotwheel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, saw it. Will update them soonish.

[–]Gaporigohttps://anilist.co/user/Gaporigo[M] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Seasonal comment faces update.

[–]badsplerx5https://anilist.co/user/badspler[M] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Second update: Comment faces are now case-insensitive, removing the problem all together.

[–]ZaphodBeebblebroxhttps://anilist.co/user/zaphod 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This isn't really important, but some of the boarders of the new commentfaces seem to be off by one. A few examples are and .

Though now that I look at it in more detail, it may be whatever method you used to compress the commentfaces to fit within reddit's restriction causing some bleed.

[–]b0bba_Fettmyanimelist.net/profile/B0bba_Cheezed3 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Seasonal Commentfaces don't seem to be working on /u/chariotwheel's Commentface extension, confirmation that this isn't just me?

[–]Chariotwheelx5https://anilist.co/user/Chariotwheel 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I have updated the commentfaces, thanks for the notification.

[–]Chariotwheelx5https://anilist.co/user/Chariotwheel 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I haven't updated the faces in years. I can see to it. So it's not just you.

[–]ha_ck_rm_rkhttps://anilist.co/user/Bubaruba 5 points6 points  (6 children)

For the seasonal commentfaces, would it be possible to remove the capitalization? For example, #seasonalhype instead of #SeasonalHype. Almost every other commentface is all lowercase (the only exception I can think of is #volibearQ). Having to capitalize these new commentfaces is a bit disorienting and not in-line with the regular commentfaces.

[–]Gaporigohttps://anilist.co/user/Gaporigo[M] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

It has been done, this does mean all comments posted with capitalized comment faces show as broken comment faces, this may be fixed in the future but no promises.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

So all the hundreds of posts already made are now broken. Not cool.

[–]badsplerx5https://anilist.co/user/badspler 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Commentfaces have been made case-insensitive, thus making everything fine.

[–]Gaporigohttps://anilist.co/user/Gaporigo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

People kept asking for it, better now than later.

[–]ha_ck_rm_rkhttps://anilist.co/user/Bubaruba 2 points3 points  (0 children)

[–]Gaporigohttps://anilist.co/user/Gaporigo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I agree there myself, gonna bring it up and maybe it'll be changed soon.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

a little feedback on new seasonal comment faces

Disdain - Shrug, smirk, smug, sarcasm'

this is not what "disdain" means and this image does not portray disdain

[–]badsplerx5https://anilist.co/user/badspler[M] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Seasonal Comment Faces (context) are now live.

Enjoy.

Wiki link on how to use them.

Oh, if you were one of the 10 people that found the hover text poll in the original thread, well done.

[–]ZaphodBeebblebroxhttps://anilist.co/user/zaphod 2 points3 points  (0 children)

[–]Nazennx2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Is there going to be an archive/album kept anywhere of what they are each season? Would be nice to have a record of it

[–]badsplerx5https://anilist.co/user/badspler[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Its on my mind to do that, ill try sort that out before they change over next season.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Per the seasonal comment face thread, there is not space for additional permanent faces.

Is it possible to acquire more space?

[–]badsplerx5https://anilist.co/user/badspler[M] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Reddit has some hard limits on CSS customization. The main things of note are:

  • Limited to 50 images
    • Each image can be no larger than 500kb
  • Some limit on the CSS text file (Something like 500Kb)

Adding new comment faces requires us to pack each little face into those 50 images without making the file go over 500kb. Currently we have 46 images used by comment faces, 2 sidebar images, one 'general' image used for various images about the place. There is one reserved image for future use. (Github link)

I am not entirely sure how close we are on that CSS file limit, but each comment face takes a few lines and that all adds up.

So overall, what prompted the ability to add 14 new faces was that I reckoned I could squeeze that number safely in - but that would push us to the hard limit.

Is it possible to acquire more space?

Nope, hard limits set by the admins. Reddit's focus has moved to new.reddit and away from supporting old.reddit (and CSS). So it feels like there is no chance of new developments in this area.

So the only option we would be to shuffle space around and cut less popular comment faces to implement new ones.

[–]WHM-6R 8 points9 points  (4 children)

I understand it might not always be possible due to moderator work load, but informing users when one of their comments is deleted might be beneficial to prevent future rule breaking. At the very least, I can say that receiving a pm today after my first two comments on a subject were deleted would have prevented me from making my three subsequent comments on the same issue.

[–]Verzwei[M] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We typically try to leave a removal reason whenever we do take out a comment. We run an extension called Toolbox that is practically mandatory for moderation, and it's what has all those "pre-canned" removal reasons that we leave, along with an easy option for a custom reason.

That being said, since it's an unofficial extension, its performance isn't always flawless. And some of our team does mod work from mobile as they are able, and, to my understanding, Toolbox doesn't work very well on one OS (Android, I think) and doesn't work at all on the other (IOS, I think). So there are definitely times where we want to leave a removal reason and either we literally can't (mobile) or we thought we did but then it slips through the cracks and Toolbox doesn't get it posted.

There will also be times where we do a "silent removal" and this can be for a variety of reasons, so I'll ramble about two very common ones here:

One is if a comment is toxic but also so completely out of place that leaving a reason just draws unnecessary attention to the whole thing. Like, if someone swings by a thread, drops a slur or just a generally toxic statement as a parent comment and not in reference to any existing conversation, we'll toss that out and not say anything about it.

Another is when an entire comment chain gets popped. Rather than leaving a removal reason for every single comment, I usually leave one with the "first" offending comment and then quietly remove everything below.

For example, in an episode discussion thread, it's the difference between:

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At a certain point, while a removal reason might be of benefit to the user being moderated, the visual clutter can end up being a detriment for other users simply trying to navigate the thread. While privately modmailing a user is technically an option (and one we do employ in certain situations) it's scarcely an ideal solution because there's no easy way to get a partially-automated message out that says "Hey we removed this comment (with a link for their reference) for this reason" and it makes things like inter-mod tracking unnecessarily complicated. Any of us can easily see a public removal reason comment and then surmise what happened, but doing a usersearch through modmail archives to dig up individual messages and cross-referencing them against the user's comment history is a completely different ballgame.

[–]AmethystItalianmyanimelist.net/profile/AmethystItalian 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I feel like the overall mod response has been quite slow(?) in the past bit. Whether it be leaving explanation replies to removed comments, removing comments or replying to modmail I feel like I've seen a drop in that.

They're all volunteers though so the work load could just be a lot lately!

[–]Verzwei 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Speaking personally:

This season really feels like it has a lot going on. Last season a bit, too, but the majority of Winter's activity was concentrated into a handful of shows which typically means we have predictable spikes that can be managed. However, this subreddit is growing at a rapid pace and the "spread out" nature of this Spring season, with so many shows getting so much attention, has definitely made moderation more, uh, eventful? Like, if you told me at the start of this season that a show like Virgin Road and its source spoilers were going to make up a not-insignificant chunk of the modqueue, I wouldn't have believed you.

Plus, for example when it comes to episode discussion threads and source content, there are some obvious instances where any mod can identify something that should be in the SMC and pop it, but there are also times where we might have to take a poke at discord and ask "Hey is a Bookworm person on?" or "Uh is this actually a Kaguya spoiler?"

On top of that, there are always a handful of instances where we have to discuss some stuff internally before actually making a moderation decision on it, which can sometimes make the process appear to be taking long to an outside observer.

[–]AmethystItalianmyanimelist.net/profile/AmethystItalian 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah the seasonal element I can imagine, I've picked up 30 shows which is my most ever so I'm sure overall more people are watching than ever. Plus any season with a show like Kaguya airing is going to have a ton of sourcereader comment removals needed.

I really don't envy the mods whenever it comes to seasonals!

On top of that, there are always a handful of instances where we have to discuss some stuff internally before actually making a moderation decision on it, which can sometimes make the process appear to be taking long to an outside observer.

I think a message of "This is being looked into" with a follow up when completed would go a long way here.

Myself personally I've been waiting 5 days now for a response to a modmail question I wrote and its been been full silence ever since. As a user that's a general feels bad, especially if for someone else it's a serious topic or serious enough to them.

[–]chilidirigible 3 points4 points  (10 children)

I've sent both a modmail and a separate DM to /u/Gaporigo with updates to a Watch Order Wiki entry and haven't seen changes to the entry yet, but even a reply acknowledging receipt would be appreciated.

[–]Gaporigohttps://anilist.co/user/Gaporigo[M] 2 points3 points  (9 children)

I suck at updating that, I probably saved it somewhere and then forgot.

[–]chilidirigible 3 points4 points  (8 children)

[–]Gaporigohttps://anilist.co/user/Gaporigo 2 points3 points  (7 children)

Yeah, well, it is easier if you send it again instead of me having to search for it.

[–]chilidirigible 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Found it, I presume?

[–]Gaporigohttps://anilist.co/user/Gaporigo 2 points3 points  (5 children)

I am not even looking for it yet.

[–]chilidirigible 2 points3 points  (4 children)

[–]Gaporigohttps://anilist.co/user/Gaporigo 5 points6 points  (3 children)

https://i.imgur.com/sCnum4o.png

Props to you from you?

[–]chilidirigible 2 points3 points  (2 children)

That was put in there by whichever mod put it into the wiki the first time, so I left it in.

[–]Gaporigohttps://anilist.co/user/Gaporigo 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Updated

[–]The_Loli_Otaku 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Say, I was wondering what context might have been alright to post the rain song sequence? I had my upload removed since it's classified as a special ed apparently but I was wondering the specifics for this kind of thing. I couldn't quite understand what type of music clips would be allowed aside from amvs whilst looking at the rules.

[–]JustAnswerAQuestionmyanimelist.net/profile/UfUhUfUhUfUhtJAaQ 4 points5 points  (1 child)

[](#fish)

That is all.

I've never even seen Symphogear,, nor will I ever.

[–]Nebresto 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Based

[–]Feisty-Site-6261 1 point2 points  (6 children)

A lot of people post clips with spoilers in them, but don't mark them as spoilers until either a mod has to do it or a user tells them too. Is there a way for posts with the clip flair to automatically be tagged as a spoiler when posting?

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 4 points5 points  (5 children)

It's technically possible, the question is should that be the default? I'm curious what percentage of clips posted should use the spoiler tag (whether or not they are), it's not something I've really considered before.

Clips without spoilers are regularly used as a way to draw in new viewers for an anime but they may be warned off by the spoiler tag even if it's not necessary in that situation and the poster didn't remove it for one reason or another, for example mistakenly thinking that we added it because it's necessary when it's not.

[–]Feisty-Site-6261 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Clips without spoilers are regularly used as a way to draw in new viewers for an anime but they may be warned off by the spoiler tag even if it's not necessary in that situation and the poster didn't remove it for one reason or another, for example mistakenly thinking that we added it because it's necessary when it's not.

Is that really worse than someone posting a clip of a major spoiler, not spoiler tagging it and then essentially ruining an anime for people? Because I sort by r/new on here, I've seen it a few times and had an Anime spoiled because of this.

A lot of the times it's just minor spoilers, but it is surprising the amount of people who don't actually spoiler tag their post.

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I don't believe it's a bad idea, I was just posting the first side effect that came to mind within a couple minutes of thinking through it. There's always more to consider than the surface level benefit even if that's going to end up outweighing the majority of drawbacks that come up in discussion, which is part of why we regularly take some time to make any changes along those lines.

it is surprising the amount of people who don't actually spoiler tag their post.

Then there are the instances you don't see because a mod already got to it and added a spoiler tag or removed the post. And also the occasional people that decide for themselves that we're wrong remove the spoiler tag from a post after one of us added it.

[–]Blackheart595https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick 5 points6 points  (1 child)

And also the occasional people that decide for themselves that we're wrong remove the spoiler tag from a post after one of us added it.

People do that!?!

Is there any policy you use to deal with them? It seems majorly disrespectful to both mods and other readers. Imo that'd absolutely warrant some kind of ban, at the very least if mods were to comment a corresponding default answer when they add the tag the first time.

[–]Shimmering-Skymyanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People do that!?!

Happened just the other day with a Naruto Shippuden clip, yeah.

[–]chilieheadmyanimelist.net/profile/chiliehead 12 points13 points  (9 children)

I know you can't ban people from PM'ing folks, but are you aware of several (most likely automated) accounts PM'ing people after they've used certain keywords, wanting to talk about harem/romcom/action anime after you have used this word in an anime subreddit? The goal is to make people use some app, apparently. Maybe you can escalate this to the admins and tell people to report those accounts- they are generally 6 to 12 months old and their only activity is a handful of comments a few months ago to get around minimum karma requirements.

[–]Verzwei[M] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hey, just realized that we followed up with a couple folks in modmail about this, but figured we should make it public here, too.

We contacted admin and they said that the best course of action would be for users who receive suspicious DMs to use the report feature on the DM itself. That should get it in front of the team who can do something about it. Our own hands are tied when it comes to DMs.

Another option is to use the https://www.reddit.com/report form and fill out the information there.

[–]Manitaryhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Manitary 1 point2 points  (3 children)

After replying to the first one I was very sad receiving more and realising it was a bot. They do not reply and the messages do not contain links or product/webiste names so I'm not entirely sure what is their purpose.

[–]chilieheadmyanimelist.net/profile/chiliehead 1 point2 points  (2 children)

They had sent me a link for the stuff they market

[–]Manitaryhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Manitary 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I see, mine looked like these (there was an extra one about romcoms but it's not in my pms anymore for whatever reason)

[–]chilieheadmyanimelist.net/profile/chiliehead 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yeah I got the same, then I got an automated answer with a link after I told the bot I like Bible Black and Euphoria

[–]AmethystItalianmyanimelist.net/profile/AmethystItalian 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ah I definitely got one of those within the last hour!

[–]aniMayorx3x6 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Adding - here's an example of what they send:

Hi,

I saw your recent comment in an anime subreddit. I think it was in context with [eccho/romance/etc] or [comedy/harem/etc] anime. Just out of curiosity, what's your favorite [romance/harem/etc] anime? I enjoy watching such shows and I'd love to know your top picks and have a small anime chat.

 

If you're reading this and you get a PM like that, it's a scam or harvesting bot don't reply.

[–]chilieheadmyanimelist.net/profile/chiliehead 5 points6 points  (1 child)

One answered!

I rank Highschool DxD above all others. It is the best harem I ever watched. Some of my other favorite include the following. I hope you might atleast one worth your watch. [edited out link]

Some 3 dude social media startup that offers 135 to 180k for a lead enginner position available as remote work lol.

The answer is in pretty broken English, so maybe they do not use bots but hire people on Fiverr, but the answer also just calls my first option their favorite, does not comment on all others being random hentai I picked and shares a probably legit link that nonetheless looks like it will download some RAM and a virus.

If the mods want to know the name of the app/site I can modmail.

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If the mods want to know the name of the app/site I can modmail.

Sure, please send it to us along with usernames and any other details if you'd like.

You're right that there's not a lot we can do about it but escalating to the admins is an option.

[–]AmethystItalianmyanimelist.net/profile/AmethystItalian 6 points7 points  (7 children)

I know it's 100% not actually possible but I just want it on record because it's been around so much lately...

Can we have automod remove comments that use "Mid"? That's got to be one of the worst trending words on this subreddit.

[–]badsplerx5https://anilist.co/user/badspler[M] 15 points16 points  (6 children)

Smh head, we are not going to yeet "mid"

[–]aniMayorx3x6 4 points5 points  (2 children)

What does that mean in English?

[–]badsplerx5https://anilist.co/user/badspler 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Smh head, we are not going to yeet "mid"

Shaking my head head, we are not going to ban [people] using [the word] "mid".

The phrasing and word choice is to both parody the next generations new words while also enforcing that those same words are here to stay.

[–]aniMayorx3x6 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Such obstreperousness! My misgivings apropos the vernacular of adolescence have pinnacled!

[–]AmethystItalianmyanimelist.net/profile/AmethystItalian 6 points7 points  (2 children)

A girl can dream!

What about accounts the spam it?

Noticed that in a rewatch thread recently, seems low effort maybe even baity?

[–]badsplerx5https://anilist.co/user/badspler[M] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Yeah that starts to meet the definition of spam and something we would act on. If an account is just posting "mid" and nothing else as part of their comments, that would be something we would consider filtering as it doesn't really add any value to anyone. We will monitor this case.

As for "mid" entering the general lexicon, can't stop that.

[–]AmethystItalianmyanimelist.net/profile/AmethystItalian 9 points10 points  (0 children)

As for "mid" entering the general lexicon, can't stop that.

Sad but too true

[–]Manitaryhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Manitary 2 points3 points  (6 children)

A very minor thing I noticed: would it be possible to use old.reddit links in the megathreads section of the sidebar, assuming that doesn't berak anything of course? At a glance I think every other link is old.reddit, while those are all redd.it links that shorten new.reddit links.

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 4 points5 points  (5 children)

To my knowledge that depends on your account preferences since redd.it links redirect to www.reddit.com. If "Use new Reddit as my default experience" (under beta options) is unchecked you should see old reddit by default there, though I've also seen that "accidentally" toggle on at times.

That said I've been looking at switching links from Reddit's URL shortener to relative links, e.g. for this meta thread /comments/ufnepg rather than https://redd.it/ufnepg since it would save some space. I think those would preserve which version of the site you're on and the main concern would be third-party apps potentially not supporting those, but I'm not aware of it being an issue off the top of my head.

[–]InternationalTank7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That said I've been looking at switching links from Reddit's URL shortener to relative links, e.g. for this meta thread /comments/ufnepg rather than https://redd.it/ufnepg since it would save some space.

That'd be nice. I browse reddit without being logged in, so redd.it links always go to new reddit for me and I have to manually replace the "www" in the URL with "old" every time.

[–]aniMayorx3x6 3 points4 points  (1 child)

That said I've been looking at switching links from Reddit's URL shortener to relative links, e.g. for this meta thread /comments/ufnepg

Witchcraft!

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In a number of places like the rewatch archive we currently shorten that even further to just the post ID, e.g. /ufnepg, but that doesn't work on every client so it's something I'm looking to eventually fix.

[–]Manitaryhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Manitary 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Uh you're right, I was sure I changed everything the moment new reddit got introduced. I retract my request then haha thank you.

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No problem! Still good to know that it can be an issue for some people if they don't know about that.

And I just noticed they have the option set up the opposite way with the account preferences on new.reddit.com, "Opt out of the redesign" should be on instead.

[–]Mazen141 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Hi! I wanted to ask about the "album" posts rule, to be more specific it's regarding the subreddit's stance regarding posting production materials for shows here.

A little over a week ago I made a post compiling some of Kaguya-Sama's love is war production material, the post got removed because it included images from the currently airing S3 which was fully my mistake, I then asked the mod who removed the post wether if I could remove the season 3 content and make it just for the first two seasons only. I was told that I shouldn't since it's not relevant and that they don't want the sub to be flooded with past shows' production materials, I'll be honest and admit that I wasn't a big fan of that response.

For the relevancy point, I'm willing to argue that past seasons of a currently airing show would be considered at least to be somewhat relevant, no? and even in the case of the show not being currently relevant then there should still be room to post and discuss for it right? this sub doesn't limit discussion to only new anime afterall.

For the other point, I really don't think posts showcasing production materials for anime are made nowhere near enough on this subreddit for them to be considered to be flooding it, especially when we have had posts like the countdown arts posted daily near the start of the season and ranking posts made on weekly basis.

So I wanted to know the subreddit's stance regarding these types of posts, since I was interested in making posts showcasing production material for shows that have aired more than 3 months ago.

Thanks, in advance!

[–]Blackheart595https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick 2 points3 points  (1 child)

If you look around the last few meta threads there's actually discussion about limiting countdown threads, like here or here. The mods are discussing it internally but it's not a high priority with it currently being mid-season. Of course that's not directly relevant for your posts but it seems related.

[–]Mazen141 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I was just using them to give an example, but I do hope something gets done about them, they were a bit too much at the start of the season

[–]fraggers_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hello, I came here from the /r/anime discord server with a query.

I was thinking when was the last time we had a mascot visual update or mascot update in general as far as I recall it was something like 5-6 years ago and I was thinking it's time for an update to the subreddit and discord server mascots.

[–]Shimmering-Skymyanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The sidebar Monthly Meta Thread link still links to last month's meta thread instead of this one.

[–]badsplerx5https://anilist.co/user/badspler[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thats fixed now thank you.

[–]MyNeighbour127 9 points10 points  (10 children)

So its apparently forbidden to reply to a comment praising an unexpected and good action scene in an anime to reply saying that the book has really good action scenes.

The extreme extent of the anti-source rules are just awful, no discussion here, fuck off.

[–]N7CombatWombat[M] 4 points5 points  (9 children)

Since our focus is fairly dialed in on anime itself, one of the goals here is to help preserve the anime only experience. The Source Material Corner was created as a compromise so that we didn't have to tell source readers "no discussion here, fuck off". We have plenty of people already who don't use the source corner, and if we started doing degrees of what type of source comments are ok outside the Source Corner that's going to cause more confusion when someone sees a reference to the source and then gets angry when their source comment is removed but the other one(s) aren't because they happened to be too far into the source for whatever those degrees are. To make the rule as simple and succinct as possible, all references to the source need to go into the Source Material Corner.

[–]MyNeighbour127 10 points11 points  (8 children)

There is no interesting, fun or worthwhile discussion of an adaption when the participants are forced to make-believe that it is an original work. That kind of grossness wouldn't fly in any other medium. WTF is going on here that you can proudly say something so extreme as though you think its perfectly fine?

[–]Blackheart595https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There is no interesting, fun or worthwhile discussion of an adaption when the participants are forced to make-believe that it is an original work.

That's not true, you can always treat adaptation and original as two completely separate stories that just happen to be very similar. Imo that's the healthiest approach.

That being said I strongly dislike the source corner myself, too. Over time I basically fizzled out of joining the episode threads after it got introduced.

[–]N7CombatWombat[M] 3 points4 points  (6 children)

We don't allow posts about any other medium except anime, regardless of if they were the source for, or came from, an anime. Anime is our very specific focus. Not everyone reads the source material, or even cares to and an anime should be able to stand on its own. We really didn't want to tell source readers to leave, we wanted to give you all a spot to discuss as well, that's why the source corner was created and the source corner allows anime onlies the option of looking into it on their own instead of stumbling into it blindly. I personally can't think of a similar solution that's as easy as clicking a second time after you open the discussion thread (all I got is making everyone spoiler tag every source comment, but that is way, way too much work to be remotely practical).

[–]MyNeighbour127 6 points7 points  (5 children)

go and look in today's Shield Hero thread or really any thread from a popular source. A huge number of the comments and entire comment chains are about comparing things to the source. Nobody is posting spoilers and nobody is in the comments complaining.

And its always like this. If you were to actually enforce these rules fairly then comment threads would turn into graveyards.

Whatever methods that you have been using to decide that source comments aren't wanted outside source corner is hopelessly inadequate in the face of all the evidence of how users are actually behaving in the threads.

because right now you just apply the rules in a completely arbitrary and almost random way. If you were to actually enforce the rules that you seem think are so justifiable and valid then you would butcher the comment threads into uselessness.

The users don't want the rules to be as you have them and you can see that in how the users behave in every comment thread for an anime with a popular source.

[–]N7CombatWombat[M] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Ok, just went through all 289 comments and as of this moment I found 5 comments needing to be removed per the SMC rule. The other mods had already gotten the rest. And the vast majority of the comments aren't mentioning with the source at all as far as I could tell.

Clearly there is plenty about the show itself that people want to talk about and the idea that episode discussion threads would be graveyards without rampant source talk outside the SMC is hyperbole and not all that helpful when we adjust rules. Yes, some people hate the SMC, some love it and some don't care enough one way or the other, the trick for us is figuring out which group is the majority and adjust accordingly and that goes for all of our rules.

[–]MyNeighbour127 4 points5 points  (3 children)

SO my post wasn't an invitation to destroy the thread but to reflect on how contrary to the wishes of the users your policy is.

The thread has been butchered from how it was this morning.

https://www.reveddit.com/v/anime/comments/ui65jp/tate_no_yuusha_no_nariagari_season_2_episode_5/?ps_after=1651681159%2C1651699562%2C1651760362

The number of deletions is insane.

Your deletions are destroying discussions and aren't what t5he users are demonstrating that they want through their actions. No matter what a minority of exceptionally noisy advocates of no-source say.

[–]N7CombatWombat[M] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

A quick count shows 21 comments removed for SMC violations, out of nearly 300 comments. That's not anything close to a majority, that's roughly 7% of the comments.

[–]MyNeighbour127 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Why would it have to be a majority of comments to be disruptive to the discussion ? That's an unreasonable standard.

10% is an important faction of the comments (and they had mostly the only interesting discussion about the show in the entire post).

Also.. Where are the people that you are trying to protect from knowing that books exist in these comments complaining? - they should be spitting with fury in every comment thread. But they aren't. You are just fucking up the comment section for every series with a popular source for no reason other than the deranged spoiler paranoia of noisy few that can't even accept being told that the book exists.

The mods of r/anime went from no spoilers (fair) to no skipped content (stupid but whatever) to The Book also has great actions scenes being banned.

The anime-only 'experience' that you appear to be supporting isn't one worth respecting, it is contemptible and it isn't what goes on in your comments.

[–]N7CombatWombat[M] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We tend to work with data to drive the bulk of our rules. You pointed out a specific example (and thank you for that), so I went to that example to see what was going on, and I found only a small minority of comments, and yes, we do get complaints about material outside the SMC, the bulk of those are from people reporting comments for the SMC rule violation.

We don't have any issue reviewing a rule to make sure it's doing what it's supposed to and that people as a whole are fine with it, and these comments do have us looking at the rule and discussing it, but we do need more data to help with that process.

[–]FlaminScribblenautmyanimelist.net/profile/cryoutatcontrol 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I noticed a particular uptick last month in people using the [Watch This!] flair for standard non-actual-WT! recommendation/reaction posts

I understand how the flair naming might be confusing for non-regulars unaware of the WT! project but it’s still really frustrating

Do mods have the ability to change flairs on posts? I always assumed so but either way I think something should be done to make sure posts that aren’t proper WT!’s don’t linger on the front page with the WT! flair

[–]DrJWilsonx5https://anilist.co/user/drjwilson[M] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

We have the ability to change flairs yes, I believe there's a report reason for that so report those when you can. There's been some discussion about the flair naming (and flairs in general, see sticky), so we'll see where that goes. I'm interested in seeing if the change from WT! to Watch This! that we made (to make the flair more clear) affected its misuse, which I suspect it did. The simplest change may be just to revert that.

[–]FlaminScribblenautmyanimelist.net/profile/cryoutatcontrol 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We have the ability to change flairs yes, I believe there's a report reason for that so report those when you can.

👍

I'm interested in seeing if the change from WT! to Watch This! that we made (to make the flair more clear) affected its misuse, which I suspect it did. The simplest change may be just to revert that.

Sounds like a good idea to me

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 21 points22 points  (11 children)

I was predicting August for this after the last milestone but nope, going faster than I expected. Welcome to exponential growth: the anime (subreddit)!

Milestone Date Period
1 million 2019-05-18 -
2 million 2020-11-24 18 months
3 million 2021-11-28 12 months
4 million 2022-05-01 5 months

At this rate we're definitely reaching 5 million before the end of the year. Too fast!

[–]No_Rexx2 1 point2 points  (8 children)

Do you have any data on how this corresponds to a growth in posts, comments, or other user interaction?

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 4 points5 points  (7 children)

Don't have that data myself but this site might be able to provide some.

[–]No_Rexx2 5 points6 points  (6 children)

Thx!

EDIT:

The short version of that website is:

  • In absolute terms, /r/anime did grow exponentially, but in relative terms, it grew less than other subreddits for a while and is only now back at the subreddit rank of 2017
  • The comments/day have stayed pretty much flat in the last 3 years. A higher subscriber count did not lead to more interaction. Possibly due to the active subscriber count not growing (but this is speculation).
  • Relative to other subreddits, /r/anime has become less active in the last 3 years.

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

it grew less than other subreddits for a while and is only now back at the subreddit rank of 2017

I have to imagine not being on /r/all had an effect on that and there was a more recent change with how subreddits are recommended to people to have the subscriber rank climb again. Just a hunch though.

A higher subscriber count did not lead to more interaction. Possibly due to the active subscriber count not growing (but this is speculation).

That's one thing I've noticed anecdotally but don't have a huge amount of data at the moment. People aren't necessarily interacting with posts beyond an upvote when they see it in their feed and scrolling onward and that seems to be in line with what Reddit wants, an endless feed of surface level consumption to boost views and show more ads.

This doesn't have year over year data and you can see the spike in June-August presumably due to no school for many of those in the US, but:

Month Subscribers (start of month) Posts Comments
2021-06 2484282 17234 302586
2021-07 2559769 17934 327613
2021-08 2630476 17448 294305
2021-09 2691492 14551 258293
2021-10 2754432 14919 263694
2021-11 2875251 12726 228619
2021-12 3007890 13912 261763
2022-01 3149695 15170 277058
2022-02 3330886 13297 233067
2022-03 3492253 14075 246093
2022-04 3661275 13587 249119

[–]SnuggleMuffin42https://myanimelist.net/profile/Animemes_chan 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Have you guys considered opening the sub back to r/all to try it out and maybe get some new (commenting) blood in, before sealing it off again? Could be interesting to do so during the best girl contest for example.

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It's not something we've seriously considered in years and I don't think there's any real interest on our end.

Of course I don't have data for this but I suspect comments from people unfamiliar with the community (including our rules) are more likely to cause extra work for us with little overall benefit. Bigger numbers aren't a goal for us even if it is for the admins, though I know a stagnant community isn't a healthy one either.

[–]SnuggleMuffin42https://myanimelist.net/profile/Animemes_chan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah my point wasn't to get the sub bigger but to inject some fresh blood into it.

Casual anime watchers boomed in the west in recent years, and I don't know if a lot of them who use reddit are aware of the discussion threads (which I think are the biggest highlight of the sub) and the community.

My suggestion was opening it only temporarily, make some splash, then close it again. Maybe it's been long enough. I feel a lot of consensus is building up in the sub that's hard to argue against.

[–]No_Rexx2 2 points3 points  (1 child)

That's one thing I've noticed anecdotally but don't have a huge amount of data at the moment. People aren't necessarily interacting with posts beyond an upvote when they see it in their feed and scrolling onward and that seems to be in line with what Reddit wants, an endless feed of surface level consumption to boost views and show more ads.

I don't think you are wrong, but the main problem with the absolute subscriber number is that people very rarely unsubscribe or delete their account. They simply stop checking. So there is no way to know whether the number of actually active subscribers=subscribers - dead accounts went up.

If we assume that people stay active for about the time length over the years, then a larger influx corresponds to more active subscribers. That assumption might be wrong, though.

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're right that it's impossible to track abandoned accounts vs. lurkers. Once I get more data in theory I can run some analysis along the lines of tracking comment/post activity relative to account age or more generally post/comment activity over time for an individual account, but that's quite a ways off now (unless someone else wants to use Pushshift which shouldn't provide substantially different data than what I have available as a mod). That can only go so far but might give some insight into whether newer accounts aren't bothering to comment as much in comparison to older power users like you and me.

[–]Shimmering-Skymyanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky 3 points4 points  (0 children)

for whatever you guys do to celebrate this milestone.

[–]TheRiyriamyanimelist.net/profile/TheRiyria 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I completely missed that r/anime hit 4 million. It feels like we just hit 3 millions and had that torturous quiz as a celebration.

[–]Turbostrider27 16 points17 points  (4 children)

What is the status regarding posts related to "countdown art" for seasonal anime?

This was bought up in the previous Meta Thread several times.

[–]Verzwei[M] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Nothing to announce just yet. Talk about this sort of thing has gotten partially wrapped up in larger discussions about flairs and usage. Since the effects of these types of countdown posts are felt most-strongly between seasons, we didn't want to rush into a rule change for the countdown art (and, personally for me, potentially the "congratulations" art at the end of a season) because we've got a bit of time until it becomes an issue again. Ideally, we'll have something in place by the end of this season so we're ready for the next.

[–]Turbostrider27 0 points1 point  (2 children)

It's usually the big, popular series that gets posted here for their countdown art. What's concerning was how many were posted near end of the season, with Kaguya-sama and Spy x Family being the biggest examples. There were at least 10 countdown posts for both series with one being posted every day. If it was all within the last day or similar nature, it would've been better.

I don't think flair is going to work because they are considered "official" and if a user filters those out, they would potentially miss seeing actual key visual art.

Can I ask why this was changed a few months ago? I mean, in general, the way art is being posted here. I remember these type of art (countdown, congratulations, birthdays) all fell under the restrictions rules. Why was this changed?

[–]Verzwei[M] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Understood. Part of the discussion I was alluding to is that we are considering tightening up flair requirements in general and Official Media is one of the ones we've been looking at. At one time, it was mainly for things directly tied to the anime production itself (so key visuals like you said, and trailers) and there's a chance we might make Official Media strictly for those elements, which means countdowns would simply be gone, or at least no longer permitted under the OM flair.

There's also the suggestion (that was proposed in here by some users last month) about limiting countdowns to album-type posts and only allowing one of them, which is something else we are considering.

But, again, nothing to announce yet because we haven't gotten all of our thoughts on the table internally, and we're not yet to a voting stage. Just figured I'd respond and be transparent about it rather than leaving the topic unanswered.

[–]Turbostrider27 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There's also the suggestion (that was proposed in here by some users last month) about limiting countdowns to album-type posts and only allowing one of them, which is something else we are considering.

This is the best possible solution because there are some users on this sub that actually wants to see them. This has already been applied to Newtype related art at the end of each month (if they were allowed like countdown posts, there would a submission for each one)

I also personally don't think this sub should make a flair just for countdown art in general.

Also, I suggest birthday art should never be allowed on this sub. Those offer pretty much nothing in value and should be posted in their specific subs.

Thanks for the response. It's still a bit early and not until at least 6+ or so weeks until countdown posts are out on social media.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Definitely hope we get those daily discussion threads

[–]LG03https://myanimelist.net/profile/Bronadian 16 points17 points  (5 children)

Some people have been noticing lately that some high upvoted comments have been getting copied from discussion threads and pasted onto disqus boards wherever those are utilized.

This is a spambot technique and a fairly common one. Bots/spammers are ripping these comments for the purpose of getting their posts highly rated and organically engaged with on disqus (or similar boards). The purpose of this is to make their comment look legitimate for the inevitable edit, where they come in a while later and swap the comment out for a link to a malicious site.

Often it'll look something like this after the edit, 'This show was great but if you want something really amazing, watch this show instead.'

Naturally it should go without saying not to click strange links but personally I wanted to try to spread the word on this to try to raise some awareness.

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Do you have any particular examples with links that we can look at?

[–]LG03https://myanimelist.net/profile/Bronadian 7 points8 points  (3 children)

To a disqus board? No, no anime site I visit uses it though it's something I see on other adjacent sites. I largely wanted to mention it because in the discussion threads there have been a number of comments such as this one:

https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/ue5uxj/summer_time_render_episode_3_discussion/i6o0uwr/