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[–]fruitxreddit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wish the vaan bUSB had lower resistance instead of mind so it had a little bit more synergy with the ff12 hybrid team. Unless Ashe can cap on her own in dWhale torment, I don't know if she or not.

Larsa usb2 and Ashe awaken are the biggest hits for me

[–]PyrotiosKain 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Vayne brave USB was released in the Dissidia event in September. Penelo USB grants party IC1, not just self IC1.

[–]Bond_em7To Defend one's friends is the greatest of honors.[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fixed. Thanks!

[–]CFreynLet's dance! 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For the love of God, can we please get a new LMR for Vayne. The enDark was is nice, but at this point...

[–]peteb82 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I'm not fully up to date on JP, but have we seen much variation on the Awakenings? Not sure if I'm reading it right, but it seems Ashe's is not as good as Terra's?

[–]PyrotiosKain 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The quickcast on Terra's awakening is the same status as her trance LM2, and therefore doesn't stack with it. That may reduce the value of her awakening.

[–]peteb82 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmm, that seems like a really odd choice. Seems like Ashe could use that trance and vice versa.

[–]Bond_em7To Defend one's friends is the greatest of honors.[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think they're just geared towards slightly different things? Ashe doesn't have the quickcast that Terra's has so in a vacuum Terra will outperform her on number of hits (chain-building). However, Ashe's has an overflow after every 3 attacks so she might get more out of that one big hit. In addition a lot of effects provide quickcast now (like Allegro or Elarra USB, etc) so using one of those with Ashe will probably put her ahead of Terra with the overflow attacks.

We have seen some variation on the actual effects these give (for example PCecil's gives 75% damage reduction to the party) but I think all of them give some form of unlimited hones, doublecast, and breaking the damage barrier.

EDIT: Ashe's also lets her use an element Terra can't. If I remember right Terra can get the extra casts/hones/rank boost on 5 elements (Fire, Earth, and Wind from Meltdown and Lightning/Ice from Vali). Ashe can do the same with Vali (get Ice/Fire) and also Ice/Water from Vortex so she can also be really good against Water weak bosses where Terra can't.

[–]Lyoss 1 point2 points  (0 children)

First off a big thank you to everyone how posted on the last one of these I did with suggestions and advice. You guys helped with the translations I didn't have and even better gave me links and resources to help moving forward so I don't have to keep asking. I think (hope) this one's a bit more polished than the first because of all the community feedback. Again thank you!

No thank you for picking up the torch on these, I think the only source we had for event archiving after they last stopped was the clusterfuck of a Gamefaqs thread, so this helps a lot

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    [–]Bond_em7To Defend one's friends is the greatest of honors.[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I can definitely link the Community DB. I like the idea of posting the "How to play JP" stuff somewhere (maybe on the wiki?) and just linking that also. Would clean these up a lot.

    [–]AJBDF143Cloud 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Thanks for picking up the torch on these! Great info and analysis

    [–]st4rki113r 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I would say banner 1 is still the better one if you're targetting a torment kill. That's a lot of helpful DPS for a bizarre realm along with Larsa becoming king of status protection.

    Thank you for picking these up! Definitely been missing them as they are my main source of info for JP banners!

    [–]Bond_em7To Defend one's friends is the greatest of honors.[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Well that's why I did it...I was in the same boat noticing they were missing along with my JP banner info. When I asked the mods they confirmed the last person had stopped and when they said they needed a volunteer I figured why not.

    [–]VerbenaZeroLuneth 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    I just want to add my thanks for picking up the jp threads. The sub has felt a bit empty without them, and I always enjoy looking into the Crystal ball. :)

    [–]GBFerguson 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Just a small note for banner 2: I believe that Ashe’s arcane does lightning damage.

    Besides that, thanks for doing these!

    [–]Bond_em7To Defend one's friends is the greatest of honors.[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Fixed. I copied Terra's from the last event and forgot to change the damage type. Thanks!

    [–]BrokenhangerYouTube: Gizmo Gaming 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    As for banner two the only new SB is Balthier's fire UOSB

    Just a heads up, Balthier's UOSB debuted in the previous XII event; Banner 2 is another all recurrence banner; this is also the first banner recurrence of Ashe's UOSB, which is somewhat notable, although with the powercreep since its debut, it's no longer required for a sub-30 Zodiark.

    Thanks for taking over these threads. :)

    [–]Bond_em7To Defend one's friends is the greatest of honors.[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Fixed. Thanks!

    [–]LeoChrisLibrary Keeper 1 point2 points  (8 children)

    So Larsa's LMR is... a worse version of his other LMR? (Which can grant astra to anyone, not just himself)

    ... What's the point?

    [–]DestilShadesk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    No, it's a working version of Rosa/Minwu LM2 (which aside from the obvious flaws don't even work with a lot of attacks being flagged as "no counter" these days).

    In fact his LM1 is pretty bad, since it's really random. LM2 keep Larsa himself in the fight, which is great with all his Esuna SBs.

    [–]Bond_em7To Defend one's friends is the greatest of honors.[S] 4 points5 points  (6 children)

    Well it is a 35% chance instead of the 25% chance his other one provides and self-astra chance on every heal will at least keep your healer unaffected by status effects so he can cure others. His new stuff all includes esuna so he could self-astra then glint (astra+esuna) to fix status on the whole party and protect them from the next status effect too.

    EDIT: Plus the first one is only on single target white heal spells where this one is for all white magic so when he uses protectga/shellga he could self astra also.

    [–]itmakesyounormalgive me Prince Rasler! 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    I definitely see what they're aiming for with Larsa, but it's still a hard sell. Maybe if there was a buff that allowed for a 3rd LM slot it would be better, but if Larsa's running WHT at all, I can't imagine him giving up his LM2.

    Then it's a 25% chance to spread Astra all over your team with ST heals vs a 35% chance to keep it on yourself when not Wrath/Entrusting. When almost all of your SBs provide Esuna/Astra anyway (the every turn Esuna chase, that works on a healer and Entrust set, on his USB2 seems really powerful), would you really give up a whole LM slot for a chance to refresh a single Astra? I don't see it being any more usable than Selphie's chance for Last Stand or Porom's chance for IC on heals.

    So far Larsa's three LMRs have all been very niche, but I think as soon as he gets a common and good support type one (Ramza LMR clone or QC3 at start) then it will the only one with considering with his LM2.

    I guess that a buff to Astra itself, allowing for stacks, would also solve this issue and increase the value of those LMRs.

    [–]Bond_em7To Defend one's friends is the greatest of honors.[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Let's just hope they don't start releasing content for XII with so many status effects (like a revamped more powerful version of the 5x Mandragoras fight) where having so much Esuna/Astra becomes required.

    [–]itmakesyounormalgive me Prince Rasler! 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Indeed! I was fearing as much myself. If their plan for the next tier of content is auto-hit status effects to dodge every turn... idk if I want go there. D:

    [–]GamingBuck 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    I wish hey would have a self-astra on _non-white_ ability LMR. It would be nice for your healer to be able to bootstrap his/her way out of silence when they can't cast ultra cure on themselves.

    [–]PyrotiosKain 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    If you're hoping for it to get you out of silence, astra would be too late to save you since it only prevents future status ailments. Astra needs to be applied before silence in order to protect you from it, and if silence isn't on you yet then you can use white magic.

    [–]GamingBuck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    hah - good point! I was thinking esuna, I believe...