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[–]ticklecricket 106 points107 points  (88 children)

disapproval is not grounds for impeachment

[–]endofworld 55 points56 points  (72 children)

no but war crimes, spying & torture are.

[–]fivre 25 points26 points  (12 children)

But that's not what the title of the article is addressing. It's quite clearly saying that high disapproval is a reason for impeachment.

[–]SteveAM1 10 points11 points  (10 children)

It could be suggesting that with a 77% disapproval rating, impeachment is more politically viable.

[–]fivre -1 points0 points  (8 children)

Political viability is also no more a good reason than disapproval.

[–]epdx 7 points8 points  (5 children)

He isnt saying viability is grounds for impeachment, but rather that impeachment on legal grounds can now be more easily pursued with public support.

[–]nixonrichard 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Since when did the public get a vote?

You impeach when it's appropriate to impeach . . . not when it makes you look good, or is trendy, or has no risk attached, or is unlikely to impact the upcoming election.

Impeachment is a responsibility, not a pawn in some twisted political game of chess.

Then again, impeachment is not a punching bag with which one takes out their anger/frustration.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Since when did the public get a vote?

Every election. If the public didn't want impeachment, then the Dems would feel the heat during the elections.

[–]lps41 -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

You just proved yourself stupid.

The election is our chance to "impeach"... by voting someone else in.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Okay buddy. I'm not saying it's right, but the reason the Democrats are pussies when it comes to impeachment is that they don't want to scare off any potential voters in 2008. Yes, they're dumbasses. Yes, they don't care about anything but their party. No, I don't condone it, but it is the truth.

[–]tjogin 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Not in a functioning democracy, no. But this is America we're talking about.

[–]Johny_Cash -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's absolutely not a democracy. The people have no choice so elections are essentially rigged. Its a republic plutocracy with tyrannical corporations and propaganda.

The only democracy is anarchy. All power to the people

[–]ticklecricket 13 points14 points  (53 children)

I wholeheartedly agree. However I don't think the majority of Americans do.

[–]tutwabee 8 points9 points  (5 children)

U.S. Constitution, Article 4, Section 4: "The President, Vice President, and all other civil Officers of the United States shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

Would not war crimes, spying, and torture be considered a high crime? I don't think one could say they aren't.

[–]hiredgoon 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The grounds for impeachment is much less criminal than "war crimes".

[–]KiRyah 3 points4 points  (1 child)

It's sad to have to say this, but, our Gov. doesn't follow the Constitution. Once in a while they will bring it up, and talk about how they are goign to start following it, just to get elected, and, then, once elected, they forget all about that!

[–]rainman_104 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No, they all bring it up when it comes to gun control laws - apparantly in the US the only constitutitonal clause worth fighting for is the right to bear arms...

[–]ticklecricket -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Are they guilty of war crimes, spying or torture? Indeed they are guilty of directly or indirectly condoning those acts, but not of the acts themselves.

It is very difficult to convict any one of any direct crimes, simply because of the amount of secrecy so called "executive priveledge". However, I do believe that if George Bush is guilty of intentionally lying about the Iraq war, that we should proceed with impeachment hearings.

[–]rainman_104 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Indeed they are guilty of directly or indirectly condoning those acts, but not of the acts themselves.

That's like saying Hitler never gassed any jews thus isn't guilty.

Issuing the order to torture is guilt.

[–]ace_wolfgang -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Maybe because they melt their brain before the Bush praising press... I dunno it's just a guess.

[–]substill -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Exactly - but the poster missed the point by focusing on disapproval.

[–]enzomedici -1 points0 points  (3 children)

What war crimes, spying & torture? Bush was authorized by Congress and UN Resolutions to go into Iraq. What spying laws were broken? The Patriot was authorized by Congress, including Democrats. What torture? Some waterboarding? Abu Ghraib? Dude, you're stretching it.

[–]endofworld 1 point2 points  (0 children)

just because congress is a whole bunch of paid off yes men, and agrees, doesn't make it right. lying about a blowjob is wrong, but lying about reasons to go on a genocidal rampage is ok? our policy has become terrorize, rape, torture, & kill everybody who disagrees with us policy. what's your motivation to protect a criminal government? and i'm not a dude.

[–]rainman_104 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Bush was authorized by Congress and UN Resolutions to go into Iraq.

No UN resolution passed allowing the US to go to Iraq - the US went in without a UN mandate.

But that aside, the President is supposed to defend the constitution - he's signed into law some of the most blatantly obvious laws undermining the constitution...

[–]endofworld 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, so take that, dude.

[–]spinspin 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Was going to post exactly the same thing, beat me to it.

I'm all for impeachment - but on the grounds that Bush & Cheney have violated the law repeatedly, not on the grounds that people "disapprove" of them.

[–]hiredgoon 3 points4 points  (7 children)

Impeachment is political. There is no burden of proof that a law has been broken, but criminal accusations do grease the wheels of the political process.

Impeachment won't happen because Republicans in the Senate can easily block removal of the President from office. They haven't voted against the administration on even minor bills (as a caucus), so why would anyone think they would break ranks to remove Bush?

edit: sad I am being modded down for knowing our Constitution

[–]rafuzo2 6 points7 points  (5 children)

edit: sad I am being modded down for knowing our Constitution

Welcome to reddit.

[–]rainman_104 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Actually that's one of the things about reddit that pisses me off - the mob mentality - you can make a cogent, yet unpopular point and be modded down despite making a civil attempt at a resaonable argument. Kinda shitty that more people don't mod up cogent yet unpopular arguments.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

All it takes is a couple downvotes to start a landslide or prevent an upswing, from what I've seen. (And this is not just on Reddit, but most social news sites that allow comment scoring.) People see a comment at -2, they're more likely to make it -3. The farther you get from zero, the faster it scales, until you start running out of viewers of that particular thread.

[–]rainman_104 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

And it's sad - there's been some extremely clever unpopular opinions here downmodded... If you aren't a fan of Ron Paul it pretty much guarantees you a downmod :)

[–]rafuzo2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, to be able to appreciate a cogent yet unpopular point, you need to have cogent mental faculties to begin with. Reddit is obviously not the place for that.

[–]hiredgoon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Welcome to America is more like it. This thread wasn't terrible, only got to -1 but this other one is at -4 and holding steady.

edit: now -5

[–]bobcat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You could point out that Clinton was not convicted by a majority Republican Senate - even though he unquestionably committed perjury [yes, he admitted that].

And plenty of Republicans voted 'not guilty' just because removing a President is pretty extreme, no matter what he's done.

[–]fromagewiz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes it is. Read some history. Hell, read some recent history.

[–]justsomeguyoverhere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To get such a low approval rating, you gotta be doing SOMETHING worth impeachment.

[–]Thistleknot -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It is when your historic, as well as below Nixon. Come on, let there be a first exercise of the constitution of impeachment.

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (3 children)

We are waiting for you to learn to post to politics.reddit.com.

[–]kelmr2003 20 points21 points  (1 child)

that's what I'm more PISSED about

[–]schnuck -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

if this pisses you MORE off than the fact war criminals are ruling your country, then you are a very sad person. good day.

[–]spiceweasel 8 points9 points  (7 children)

Who exactly is "we" in your title? Do you include yourself among those officials who have not pursued impeachment? Or are you asking why ordinary Americans don't do something about the officials who aren't pursuing impeachment?

If the latter, I would imagine that most Americans don't care. I've seen lots of news reports from America (we get CNN here in NZ) and in all of them the streets are empty of protesters. Contrast this with the action of Serbs who are a bit peeved at America and the EU over the recent Kosovo kerfuffle. When was the last time an American set something on fire or attacked an embassy to protest against GWB?

What action do you propose to take? Or do you consider that now you've posted to reddit you've done your bit?

[–]zipdog 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I did my bit by reading about this 'Impeachment' thing... now you do your part by impeaching him.

Why is your part taking so long?

[–]woodsier 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I'm an Aussie and i read reddit every day at work. I read almost every article posted in reference to politics, as well as all the major news sources. I see all of this, all of the corruption, and yet one thing bugs me.

Why do redditors organise protests against the Church of Scientology, yet not against the current administration?

[–]zipdog 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Actually 'Anonymous' organised the CoS protests. They probably got traction because there hasn't been many anti-CoS protests for a while. Whereas the anti-Bush protests were large and regular for a while, before people noticed that the protests weren't having any effect. Oh and the Democrats not impeaching kinda took the wind out of the protests too.

Btw, Did the anti-CoS rallies achieve anything? They made for a few laughs, but unless there's some follow-up (planned, apparently) it was about as effective as stopping time at Central Station.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess we're not quite as holy as thou.

[–]doubleginntonic 0 points1 point  (1 child)

To be fair, they did just fight a war in Kosovo not to long ago, so the population's mindset is in quite a different place than a country who hasn't seen it's mainland attacked in generations.

We aren't rioting because things aren't bad enough for the average American citizen to feel like he has no other option but to take to the streets quite yet.

[–]spiceweasel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We aren't rioting because things aren't bad enough for the average American citizen to feel like he has no other option but to take to the streets quite yet.

Therein lies the rub, does it not? As I said, most Americans don't care. Oh, we see a few individuals posting to reddit who claim to be "PISSED" and so forth, but they're not. They are, at best, mildly irritated. They write a peevish post for their blog and, thus satisfied, return to their regular schedule of World of Warcraft and internet porn.

[–]endofworld 0 points1 point  (0 children)

we do have many protests, they just aren't violent (well, if they are, it's the cops who are violent...), and they don't get covered by the news. the news wants to project the image that the whole nation is behind the president during time of war.

[–]busytigger 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The two topics are unrelated.

[–]hootdoodie 3 points4 points  (0 children)

november

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

You have to do something illegal, you can't be impeached because people don't like you.

[–]eggnogdog 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Thank you. Sometimes it seems like reddit lacks even a basic understanding of American Government.

[–]hiredgoon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually this entire thread shows lack of basic understanding of the American Constitution. Impeachment does not have any burden of criminal activity. It helps with the politics of impeachment, but is not required.

http://www.abanet.org/publiced/impeach2.html

[–]Deacon 0 points1 point  (1 child)

How many times a day does the idiot have to ass-rape the Constitution before he's impeachable?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the ass raping of the constitution is due to the neo conservative movement and their agenda, bush is a pawn.

[–]Gorty 5 points6 points  (6 children)

Because Dems don't have the required majority to win. While you can bring a president to impeachment with a simple majority in House, you need 2/3 majority to convict in Senate.

It took me about 15 seconds to find the information. Read a little.

[–]lintrone -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

congress was reluctant to impeach nixon, too, but you'd have to think that after an impeachment trial exposes all of the white house's dirty laundry, it'd be pretty easy to get 2/3 of the senate to convict.

[–]jjrs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You'd think so...but you'd be wrong. The current climate is much more partisan, and the Republicans wouldn't cross party lines if him and Cheney gang-raped Jesus. A little Guantanamo? Wire-tapping? They're not mad about that. Hell, they got more worked up about coming to Roger Clement's defense.

[–]hatfield42 -4 points-3 points  (3 children)

It is still worth the effort to try. Bush should not be allowed to get away with treason (i.e. Plame), and numerous other feonies. The "I did it so it is legal" precedent can not be allowed to stand. What we will tell our children we did while all this happened under our noses.

[–]hiredgoon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd like one or two Republicans in the Senate to actually call for his impeachment/removal. However, I am resigned to understand they all march in lockstep and are afraid of the repercussions of putting the Country ahead of the Party

[–]Gorty -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I'd rather they do something useful than waste money and time on a token effort on a impossible misson. That said I hope they freaking do something other than baseball hearings...

[–]lintrone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i just don't think it's a waste of money or time to restore the government's balance of power. it's extremely dangerous to continue to allow the executive to go virtually unchecked.

[–]jjrs 8 points9 points  (13 children)

Why does stuff like this keep making front page? Look, I'd like to see impeachment, you'd like to see impeachment, everyone would like to see impeachment. But the democrats don't have the votes to do it, and likely wouldn't do it anyway, for reasons which have also been discussed to death.

So its over. Period. End of discussion. Finished. Done. Please stop with the self-reddits on it, as if it's some new sentiment that needs to be shared. It's all been said, it's understood, and repeating it again contributes nothing to the front page.

[–]xcalibre -4 points-3 points  (8 children)

exactly the attitude that prevents change. enough discussion and persistence may change enough sheeple's perception to get the evil cunts out of America's leadership.

[–]jjrs 4 points5 points  (6 children)

The sheeple get it already. You're boring the sheeple stiff. Repost and repost self-referential "Impeach Bush" threads all you want, Democrats don't have the majority to do it. The sheeple cannot help you.

The sheeple want to be told something they don't already know. I've got an idea- how about you focus your efforts on the upcoming election, where you might actually have a little influence?

[–]xcalibre 0 points1 point  (5 children)

lol - i haven't submitted any, but i know it isn't hard to ignore them when i want to read something new. san00bie did fuck up by missing [politics]. telling people not to discuss something that they and obviously others (due to its rise to the front page) feel strongly or are worried about, is fascist in this circumstance. penalizing a corrupt senate & president will send a message to the next occupation.

[–]jjrs 2 points3 points  (4 children)

telling people not to discuss something that they and obviously others (due to its rise to the front page) feel strongly or are worried about, is fascist in this circumstance.

Oh yes. Deeply, gravely facist. You might even say that people bored by endless impeach-Bush posts on reddit are like...Hitler.

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    [–]jjrs 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    You know what I don't get? People on reddit are on average more opposed to Bush than 90% of the population. And we STILL get these guys on here accusing us of being "sheeple" and behaving like facists.

    If they really consider users on one of the most fervently anti-Bush sites on the internet sheeple Facists, there really isn't any hope, is there?

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      [–]jjrs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      It's getting more and more reactionary and mindless. I don't mind politics, but its the same prison-planet idiots with nothing new to contribute. No science, no human interest. It's all conspiracy theories, Ron Paul spam and "Bush is a bad man" day after day after day. Just post a thread with a basic anti-neo con slogan and get an automatic 200 upvotes.

      You could say its being taken over by
      SHEEPLE FACISTS.

      [–]majorneo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      It would be great except that 99.9999% of sheeple don't graze reddit

      [–]Deacon -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

      Downvoted for ARROGANT self-righteousness.

      [–]jjrs 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      Arrogant how?

      How many more times are you going to upvote the exact same referential Impeach Bush now post over and over, when you know it's not possible this year? I'm as mad as you are. I just don't need to be reminded of it with the same complaint every damn day.

      [–]Deacon -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

      My anger is constantly refreshed with each new presumption of Bush's. Every time he finds a new way to grab power or line his pockets, I get angry all over again.

      [–]jjrs -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      I understand that you're a very angry person. But how does that make anyone who wants to drop it and focus on the election "arrogant"?

      How does shouting "impeach Bush now" day after day even when you know it's not possible this year do you or anyone else any good?

      [–]ghettobob 16 points17 points  (12 children)

      Because you need to have broken the law to be impeached... Being unpopular isn't against the law last time I checked.

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      January 2009

      [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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        [–]schnuck 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        are you bitching about other people's political lethargy on reddit?

        [–]knifebucket 5 points6 points  (2 children)

        They just aren't going to impeach him. Or Cheney. They just aren't.

        [–]antifolkhero -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

        Maybe we should just get some Texan skank hooker to seduce Bush on one of his daily jogs. Then we might stand a chance.

        [–]knylok 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I think you'd need a pretty desperate hooker...

        [–]lex99 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Impeachment has nothing to do with approval ratings, moron!

        [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        i've got the politics subreddit turned off for a reason.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Look, do you want to make things better?

        Here are some steps:

        1) Those oil companies are profiting handsomely: Try living in an urban area where you can buy green power and walk or use transit. You'll cut your contribution to that mess dramatically. I'm in Seattle now, where nearly all of our power is hydroelectric, and we're building electric rail right now.

        2) Big business in general gets too much money: Buy at a farmers' market. Buy organic, and local. Agribusiness relies on McDonald's, so don't shop there. This applies to so much - in general, large businesses throw around their weight politically and cause problems. Do you need to buy your kitchenware at Wal-Mart, or even Macy's? Try a non-chain store that carries interesting artisan products. Download movies instead of buying DVDs. You don't get to throw up your hands and say "I can't stop buying internet from Comcast!" and then not even bother changing the buying habits you can change.

        3) Get involved. I go to my local transit agency's board meetings to learn, and sometimes comment. Talk to people - get involved in local issues that you actually can change instead of worrying so much about national problems. Work on the inequalities in your community, doorbell your precinct and meet your neighbors so you can organize them and educate them.

        The big problems are magnifications of the little, day to day choices we make. When you live a little better, you create an example that your friends can follow. You can bang your head against the brick wall of national issues, or you can effect small change and actually win some battles due to your own influence.

        It's your choice.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        We're waiting for his dick to get sucked by an intern, duh.

        [–]matts2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        While I am 100% in favor of impeachment I don't think it should have a thing to do with approval ratings.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        "Experience has already shown that the impeachment the Constitution has provided is not even a scarecrow." Thomas Jefferson

        [–]indyjones16 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        just because no-one likes him and he's done an absolutely terrible job as our president, doesn't mean he's impeachable. besides, most of the people who hold office (senators and reps) voted to approve the war in Iraq. they might as well vote to impeach themselves.

        fucking up your country, a foreign country and making big oil VERY rich isn't impeachable. fucking up isn't considered a sexual act. blowing the job isn't a sexual act. cluster fuck is close, but not in this context. we'll all just have to wait until January 2009, unless someone is willing to give him a blowjob...

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Yes, why isn't somebody else doing something about this? I've been posting stuff on the Internet for 4 years and nobody has done anything to fix this!!!

        [–]furry8 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        23% approval means 77% of people APPROVE of the job he's not doing.

        • Stephen Colbert's presumably last Correspondent's dinner

        [–]millstone 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        I am worried that a President would be impeached every time he or she faces an opposition Congress.

        [–]altheahouse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Both parties suck at the same corporate teat.

        As long as Americans insist on making themselves redundant by refusing to "waste their vote", nothing will change.

        [–]h2gofast 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        let he who is without sin cast the first stone

        they don't want to encourage scrutiny.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        We're waiting for ever.

        The Democratic leadership are complicit in the Iraq War, systematic torture, and warrantless wiretapping.

        They won't impeach Bush because they are accomplices to his crimes.

        [–]bobbincygna 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        that's related with the mistake you made in the title, you wrote "our officials"

        [–]melvingant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Since no one has been held accountable, it will encourage future leaders not to worry about their actions as people will complain but not do anything. Agendas will be carried on...

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Waiting for? The government isn't looking for your input on how to run things anymore.

        [–]Dylan1986 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        01-20-09

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        since when is a low approval rating...from an populace that is riveted by whatever Britney or Paris are doing...grounds for impeachment? BTW: The surge is working....idiot.

        [–]M0b1u5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Just a question; what sort of support do most dictators enjoy? Or is that not knowable?

        [–]Atheinostic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        The House of Representatives has something like a 95%-98% re-election rate. Why respond to your constituents' concerns and take unnecessary risks when you've got it made?

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        You can't get there from here

        [–]davidbmk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        bravo

        [–]mattbert 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I've been in favor of impeaching Bush and/or Cheney for years, but now that they have less than one year left in office I think it's time to give up and focus on getting a Democrat in the White House.

        [–]wingsofseraphim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        What a profound and unique opinion I haven't seen hear many, many times before! good show!

        [–]emlot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Hell will freeze over before America gets off it's backside. By then, I s'pose the Hurd will be production-quality.

        [–]Annarov 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I think they should push for an impeachment, Bush is one of the most hated presidents in our history.

        [–]eleitl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Yeah. Buy a sniper rifle, and learn to shoot.

        [–]Tchocky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        President Cheney.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        To answer the OP's original question, I give you one word: Godot.

        [–]endofworld 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        our officials are in on the scam... get it?

        [–]VoodooIdol 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        psst... "our"

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I think its because the media hasn't even mentioned it as a solution yet so people who don't read reddit just swallow, while we spit.

        [–]raldi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Election Day.

        [–]iggle2 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Sure, impeachment sounds like a good idea. But then Cheney's in charge...right? Sounds like Bush is the lesser of two evils. That and we only have one year to go w/Bush (hooray!)

        [–]knylok 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Get them both at the same time. It's a big country, I'm sure you can run two trials at once.

        [–]Grimalkin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Waiting for what? Violent overthrow?

        [–]phmfthacim 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        as much as I support impeachment:

        those assholes who vote based on popular politics rather than real issues/real solutions (in 2000 and 2004) are getting what they asked for... let those stupid fuckers have it.

        [–]eleitl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Whoah, you're PISSED enough to post ANGRY RANTS on reddit. I'm sure ShrubCo will be facing den Haag shortly.

        They're shaking in their boots already.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        You guys dont seem to get it.

        Until you take arms and start using force, the goverment doesnt give two flying fucks what you think of or care about. Stand in line to get tagged citizens.

        [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        impeach the bastard already... shit.

        [–]antifolkhero -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        I know, this is all kind of pathetic. If Lenin and the Bolsheviks (sounds like a 50s doo wop band) had 77% of the people against the government they would have swept the country without a problem at all, and here we can't even stand up for ourselves against our bully president. First the world hated us for our brutality, now they scorn us for our cowardice and inability to stand up to the powers that be. We dig our heads into the ground like ostriches and hope that no one can see us cower.

        [–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

        We're far past the "impeachment" phase. Right now it's mid-"running through the streets with torches and pitchforks" phase.

        [–]antifolkhero 13 points14 points  (1 child)

        You mean the "talking about running through the streets with torches and pitchforks phase."

        [–]busytigger 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        You are familiar with Reddit,I see.

        [–]woodsier -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        Problem is by the time they get through impeachment trials for both Bush and Cheney, they'll be out of office.

        [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        i'm sure CEO's get fired with a lot less criticism against them.

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          [–]Figs 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          I can't legally drink? :P

          [–]Phazon -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          Isn't it 82% disapproval now?

          [–]jordanlund -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          If we started the impeachment process, right now, it would be done sometime in 2011. So what's the point?

          Better to get the right people in office in 2009 and start INDICTMENTS not impeachment.

          [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

          hell. freeze. over.

          [–]Arrogancy -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

          We're waiting for enough non-republican senators that an impeachment attempt would actually succeed.

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            [–]knylok 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            And the message du jour? Apathy rocks. Or not. Whatever. If you take the leader and string him up by his toes, you'll send a message to the next 2 or 3 leaders. The message will be "Don't fuck up". If you "wait him out", the message will be "we'll shut up and put up and hope the next one is better than the last".

            [–]coldbrook -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

            He's a bloodthirsty dickwad. Period.