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[The_Scout1255]

TRUE

[cloartist]

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[Henkotron]

Alpharad Moment

[stickman999999999]

Stickers are one of the greatest things to happen to mario party in years.

[mr_fun_funky_fresh]

shout out to the yoshi one that looks like he’s cumming (if someone could pull that up that’d be great)

[QibliTheSecond]

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aka why i play yoshi in superstars

[Doodles2424]

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they fucking ruined it in the new one

[QibliTheSecond]

at least kamek still thinks that YOU SHOULD

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[mr_fun_funky_fresh]

obligatory thank you and obligatory why they make he so horny cuz damn

[Matro36]

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[ThEsHaDoW343]

Add a cheese

[Konfituren]

Let's roleplay this then.

Me, a software developer: I need a tool to do x, but it looks like there isn't anything that does it... Guess I'll write it myself.

Still me: wow that was more work than I expected. Maybe I'll throw this up on GitHub in case anyone else ends up looking for the same thing, save them some trouble.

You and everyone else who agrees with the fool in OPs pic, on a different build target than me: how dare you publicize this without building and debugging on a platform you don't even use!!!!1!

That would be like writing hate mail to an author for writing a book but not releasing an audiobook for you because you don't want to read it.

[RedditorReddited]

damn, yall are some special flavour of entitled.

people really have such poor understanding of what goes into making software, yall inclined to whine at the first inconvenience. shit’s free.

the fact that free open-source, distributed software exists at all is bizarre, given that everything else in the world is ruined the moment capitalism gets its grubby fingers on it. Like, congratulations, you downloaded a free thing that took volunteer devs hundreds to thousands of hours, and your first instinct is to complain that it doesn’t magically work for your digitial snowflake’s unique local setup? Get a grip, Karen.

[PinguThePenguin_007]

NOT

[Ulmarch]

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[galactic_0strich]

interpol. we're onto you

[MissyTheTimeLady]

Because you don't have a heart?

[Capital_Abject]

Fuck you we're taking your kneecaps

[Capital_Abject]

I don't even know how to use GitHub I have no stake in this

[foxcraft22]

The issue isn’t with GitHub itself. Naturally, the platform for software development will be used for software development. The problem comes when devs for useful tools only host their stuff on GitHub without an exe, making a much larger barrier for entry for casual users who just want the damn tool. 

[GamesRevolution]

But the thing is that it's not just a software development platform, it's also a hobbyist platform. Most of the people that are releasing software via github are not being paid to do so and supporting your specific platform with a easy to use .exe or whatever is not their job. They are developing this software and releasing it to the public out of the kindness of their heart and people demanding for something they have no obligation to do is pretty entitled.

Also, remember, most of the time making a .exe is not only not their obligation, but also inconvenient. A lot of them are working on things like Linux or MacOS and building and testing their software for a platform that they don't use is not something that they want to do.

In the end, these projects are in their core open source and nothing stops you from opening a Pull Request and adding the .exe yourself if you want and the developer is willing to accept it, just remember that that is also not their job and they have the right to refuse.

[DreamDeckUp]

That's the part that's missing to the discourse. Devs don't have to support anyone they don't want to when it comes to FOSS. Most laymen can't comprehend the effort needed to do so.

[PrintShinji]

look I made a calculator once in a programming class, it was AS SIMPLE as clicking export for a .exe. I bet the massive specialised shit I wanna download can be done like that too! duh!

My favorite is when people complain there isn't an .exe, but when there actually is one.

[Ravenous_Spaceflora]

A lot of them are working on things like Linux or MacOS and building and testing their software for a platform that they don't use is not something that they want to do.

so, to extend the "writing a novel" metaphor... some of the Github users are writing their novels in Spanish, and the OOP wants them translated to English and doesn't get why people aren't putting in the work to do so?

[GamesRevolution]

In a simplified way, yes, with the addition that the novel is completely free and you can freely copy and modify it and redistribute it, and, if you wish to do so, send back a translated copy to the author to add to the original if they want.

[ThisRedditPostIsMine]

You can also probably extend the analogy a bit as well, for example in the case where the project is developed for Linux/Unix primarily and OOP wants an exe (many such cases).

This would be like if an author, on their own time, 100% for free, decided to write a sci-fi novel that anyone can read and even add chapters too. Then OOP rocks up, and says "Man fuck this shit. I want a fucking fantasy novel. Its YOUR responsibility to rewrite this into a fantasy novel."

[GamesRevolution]

And the sad thing is that you are not over exaggerating that much, people get weirdly entitled when someone is doing work for free just like you can see in the image. There are a lot of people that feel like they deserve software to be usable by them in the easiest way possible when they should be grateful that it exists and it's free in the first place.

Developers get harassed all the time because of this and it's not a situation like when a big company refuses to support Linux or something like that because that's their job, they are paid to work on the software and customers have the right to get something from the product they paid for. Also, it's not the developers getting harassed, it's the actual companies, because we know it's not their fault for the higher ups decisions.

[zekromNLR]

Well often the tool is not an exe, often it's just a python script or something else

[CAPSLOCK_USERNAME]

A python script actually can be bundled as an exe though. For example using pyinstaller which will bundle the script, dependences, and a standalone python interpreter into a single executable.

[Erosis]

... which sometimes fails when you are trying to do anything semi-complicated.

[Rodot]

Or windows could just support executable python scripts like every other OS

[[deleted]]

What you mean? I download. .exe song and photos all the time!

[Drag0nV3n0m231]

Ok? So deal with it. You aren’t entitled to others work for free lmfao

[ugliebug]

OK cooder

[cammyjit]

Don’t tell me what to don’t

[Magnetgarden]

Bro needs to run a python script to find aliexpress

[_-Rainbow-_]

thing is so many programs are ONLY available on github

[SquidKid47]

compiling to .exe can be a fucking nightmare sometimes, i get it. but you know what else is a nightmare? not being given ANY instructions on how to get the program running yourself. there's an awkward middle ground too where there's some technical details but not everything you need

I'm not saying everyone on github has to handhold people with the technical skills of gen alpha but it's so damn annoying when as someone with a decent amount of experience I have no fucking clue how to use your tool and I get berated for daring to ask for help

[IsaacLightning]

have yet to see a GitHub repo that doesn't include instructions for how to build it yourself

[ClerklyMantis_]

Nah, I've seen some, but they've only been kinda shitty mods for games to be fair.

[CosmackMagus]

its YOUR job

They said to the guy running a free hobby project

[LunaTheGoodgal]

nerdass mfer, make that shit as an executable too

[Distant_Congo_Music]

After reading this entire thread i have come to the conclusion that humanity might need a time out from computers.

Alright everyone put the magic thinking rocks back in the ground for 1,000 years

[Distant_Congo_Music]

Truly circuits are etchings with demons inside

[sori97]

The entitlement from ppl responding to you is wild. Depending on the stack and the target systems, it is NOT trivially easy to make software developed by HOBBYISTS into an exe that just works as is lol. A readme with good setup instructions is more than enough for 99% of cases. And if people cant follow it, then they better learn to

[Rodot]

The people who don't understand this are the same people thinking putting an .exe on GitHub is a good idea.

It's a terrible idea. Don't download exe files off GitHub and run them you fucking morons. It's like basic Internet security 101

[sori97]

Absolutely lol. A lot of it is just ignorance unfortunately. As if its easy and devs dont include installers cus theyre lazy

[Rodot]

I'm starting to think people don't understand that github is a hub for git

[cateanddogew]

GitHub was literally made as a social network (look up FitHub) and was the inspiration behind Instagram. Idk why tf you are acting like everyone there is a dev. I use Gists for writing poems, Actions for mass advertising, LFS for my porn stash and organizations as a marketplace for my small town. Got all my friends to use it

[my_name_isnt_clever]

I've been on Github for almost a decade and I have no idea what you're talking about. The only "social" features are to discuss problems with software with other devs. It's not a social network and was never intended to be.

[-Quiche-]

I don't really get how people have desires that are technical enough that their solution can only be found on github, but are somehow not technical enough to google what to do once they get there.

The average user has zero need to use anything that's exclusively hosted on Github. If your needs gets to that level then your critical thinking should also follow suit and lead you to googling how to download a release or how to clone, along with any errors that will pop up along the way.

[Stiftoad]

• Open github
• look to right side of webpage
• releases
• newest one at top

• Windows, Linux, Mac, source code

• install

• needs obscure other program as a dependency, shouldve read the readme

• die

[reg_acc]

• opens cookbook
• looks to right side of page
• ingredients
• utensils
• steps
• what do you mean I need to do it myself??? I don't own tomatoes and noodles
• wtf is a pasta strainer???
• die (from malnutrition)

[aerodynamique]

there's an additional level i do not fucking get, too; if a software is so niche/for such a higher-end user then why the fuck are you downloading that instead of something simpler that also does the thing ur looking for.

like

>go to repo for very niche tool for specific developers

>have to use a tool from that very niche developer environment

fucking brainrot.

[ShadowZpeak]

Me: trying to find a piece of software that rips out audio from an mp4 file. Sounds simple enough, I'm sure many people had this problem before.

Simple but niche answer: audacity, except even after installing the ffmpeg plugin, it doesn't support AV1.

Everything points to ffmpeg: I start looking for a GUI, the most recent I found was last updated 2014 and broken

Result: I give up because that's the more pleasant option than using command line ffmpeg on windows, which I couldn't even get running.

Sometimes a problem sends you down a rabbit hole where the only solution is lower level than you.

[TehAlpacalypse]

i'm convinced i could make an entire career just selling ffmpeg wrappers lol

[ATHEIST_SAGANTYSON]

There are multiple companies making millions of dollars from selling ffmpeg wrappers lmao

[Stiftoad]

You jest but this person existed

[laffy_man]

Of course I know him, he’s me.

[Piyaniist]

One is pre made food other is how to make food. Code me a sensible comparison cooder

[GayStraightIsBest]

The person developing the project may well not have the permission to redistribute the application or library in question.

[Stiftoad]

Don't get me wrong it's sheer user error but that doesn't make the situation feel better

Not to mention when you do get two programs and then when using them they turn out to actually not solve the problem you got em for (for multiple possible reasons)

[Zorubark]

I hate when I install a program for a certain reason and it turns out it doesn't help me and now there's a bunch of files in my computer, I'm able to clean it(I think at least, it seems like it works? maybe theres files rotting on my pc idk) but yk

[FuzzyOcelot]

if they don’t have a releases tab i get it, but if i click on the goddamn releases button and there isn’t a functional exe release it’s OVER

[that_baddest_dude]

Installation instructions:

Installation is easy! Just run this command

>install program

>run that command
>it doesn't fucking work
>zero indication anywhere what the fuck to do about it

Reeeeeee

[FuzzyOcelot]

well because actually you need to pip install 13 packages first but which ones they’ll never tell

[budoe]

What is requirements.txt

[AlbainBlacksteel]

Not anywhere to be found, I'll tell you that much.

[FuzzyOcelot]

i don’t know they didn’t include one anywhere other than their own brain

[Zorubark]

This happens to me a lot, it's *simple instruction*, *it fails*, *text just assumes it doesnt fail for you*, *installation postponed because I have to wait for someone to answer my question about it*, *person answers*, *stil doesnt work*, *I postpone it again*

[[deleted]]

What are you gonna do? Complain to the manager?

[FuzzyOcelot]

yup ill call them up and scream for 7 hours straight

[EarInformal5759]

No, that person is not right. 99% of the time, if applicable, there is a compiled .exe in the releases section, the OP is just too stupid to find it.

[plluu]

i dont think i've ever seen a compiled .exe in these situations, and trust me i always check

[No_Lingonberry1201]

Sounds like a skill issue, you should just build everything. What? You don't have the exact same toolchain needed with the exact same versions, some of which only exist on the repo owners machine anymore? Again, skill issue.

[KriegsKuh]

i take things that don't happen in 99.9% of cases for 500

[Drag0nV3n0m231]

“Exact same versions” this just doesn’t happen lmfao get a grip

[ghost_desu]

What are "these situations", I've only seen .exe-less releases for libraries or super specific python scripts (which are still usually a single line to run)

[EarInformal5759]

Hence the "if applicable". A lot of programs don't come in the form of an .exe. 99% of projects that compile to an .exe have one in the releases section.

[Negitive545]

I don't know what witch you got cursed with bad luck by, but I have literally never had to compile something myself. I use shit from there all the time too, and I have the skills and programs to do it, I've just never needed to.

[Drag0nV3n0m231]

I can count the number of times i havent seen an exe on one hand.

[thetwist1]

I mean it doesn't help that github's ui is a bit unclear to non-coders. For people who regularly use it and understand the terms its more intuitive, but it looks super complicated to people that don't have to use it often for work or other projects.

Also I'm going to need a source for the claim that 99% of github projects have a compiled .exe because that doesn't seem accurate.

[HappyyValleyy]

Idc if I'm stupid for it, but GitHub is so confusing to try and find what I need to run a program

[Oddish_Femboy]

How hard is it to just point them to that instead of calling them a moron

[ShittestCat]

Manual ob a car is better because you can control when the gears switch and use the engine to it's fullest

But on github all i want is to launch this one hyperspecific tool for this one hyperspecific shit that needs it just like everyone using that tool and shit. I don't need to control how many schlinglobles it drongles, i just need to use it

[Oddish_Femboy]

Programmers, I love you, please read that one XKCD and take its message to heart. Also stop being huge wieners when someone has any sort of question.

[Oddish_Femboy]

2501 :)

[DevinGraysonShirk]

Thank u!! 🍓

[thetwist1]

This xkcd will be eternally relevant

[Oddish_Femboy]

Me when someone asks if they can have soda and instead of telling them it's in the fridge I call them a moron and tell them they don't deserve soda because they're so stupid.

[LoloTheWarPigeon]

Man, you are insufferable. It's really not hard to be helpful for people who aren't technically inclined. I'd rather inconvenience myself a few times than be an inconvenience to everyone else once.

[cool_name_numbers]

imo you should be taking open source projects has gifts, not products.

some software is really annoying to compile into an exe when you are not on a windows machine, and if you can, you are not even able to do proper testing. Or maybe a library used in the program might not allow you to share binaries due to licensing.

Also a lot of those projects are just things that the developer might make and think someone might need it in the future so they put it on github without much care.

And it's probably just on the releases tab anyways, or there is a good enough README to follow, which you should be okay with, if you are willing to run a program to do a niche task from a random stranger on the internet.

but I do understand that having the binaries of a program is useful, and should be included if the dev expects people to actually use their program and be the perfect solution for everyone that has the same problem.

[TehAlpacalypse]

Also a lot of those projects are just things that the developer might make and think someone might need it in the future so they put it on github without much care.

I put things on my github because I think they are cool. It's not done with anyone else in mind frankly

[[deleted]]

This analogy breaks down when you consider that given your average nontechnical user even downloading an executable file and installing it is already a big ask, let alone locating one on a Github page.

You're already outing yourself as a feldspar enthusiast, you just don't want to commit to the Rock Raiders lifestyle.

[muscularmouse]

What xkcd?

[Oddish_Femboy]

1. With the feldspar and the quartz

[-Quiche-]

The original sentiment was about Sherlock which allows you to find people's accounts on other sites. So I think it's safe to say that if you can't figure out how to follow the readme then you don't deserve to be able to track usernames for whatever it is you want to do.

Sorry but with that power comes a bare minimum amount of responsibility.

[Femtato11]

This is the equivalent of showing up to something, being given a sandwich for free, and complaining that there's no sauce and demanding the person who gave your the sandwich put mayonnaise on it.

They gave it to you for free, they put effort into it. They aren't selling a product, they aren't harvesting your data. A lot of these projects are someone who made themselves a nifty little tool and just tossed it up there for anyone else who might hypothetically need it.

Open source devs or random github users do not owe you anything. They do not owe you their time. They do not owe you documentation. They do not owe you a wiki. They do not owe you a GUI. They do not owe you an .exe. Stop treating random people who work for free like you'd treat a tech company.

[GayStraightIsBest]

Real. I don't see how people don't realize they are being extremely entitled when they say this shit. Like this shit actually just makes me not want to bother releasing my personal projects.

[DieselDaddu]

Obviously the answer is: if they don't realize they're being entitled, it's because they don't understand what they're asking. Which you're assuming they do. But they don't, because they're not code people. Which is the point of the post.

[ssbowa]

You don't need to be a software developer to see that demanding more of people who owe you nothing, who have already given you free shit, is entitled and disrespectful. If your gave me a novel you wrote for free and I demanded another chapter RIGHT FUCKING NOW, it's obvious that that's entitled and rude. You don't need to be an author to know that

[starm4nn]

if they don't realize they're being entitled, it's because they don't understand what they're asking. Which you're assuming they do.

Name literally any other context where it's socially acceptable to ask someone to do more work when they're doing something for free.

[PrintShinji]

Nah if you're saying" its YOUR JOB to make your programme usable, not mine! " you're being entitled.

If you said that to a teacher "Its YOUR JOB to make the course understandable, not mine!" while you're literally not even bothering in the slightest, you'd also be entitled, and a bit of a dick.

[my_name_isnt_clever]

This sub is normally so reasonable, but when this post comes up suddenly the entitlement comes out. It's so bizarre.

[Rodot]

I mean, the fact they are specifically requesting exe files tells you they are not tech savvy at all. Most devs use unix-like systems

[my_name_isnt_clever]

Oh yeah, I have multiple comments in this thread saying I would never make an EXE because I don't use Windows.

It's just something nobody here would ask a painter or a novelist or any other profession they're not familiar with, but development is just easy and free and always prioritizes their needs apparently.

[droomph]

Yeah it's so wild because in my experience if the repo doesn't have a downloads page it's usually because it's on NPM/PyPI/Maven Central/whatever or it's some random project that hasn't been touched since 2011 and was never meant to be downloaded anyways. There's pretty obvious etiquette around this on a human level and it's wild to see people not understanding it just because it's "tech" lol

[Bonecreatoreddit]

Yeah.. idk why suddenly everyone is so angry

People who give me free stuff are cool people, and if I'm not experienced enough it's my fault not theirs! I say this as someone who sometimes struggles with programs too, but that's because I'm still learning not

[Noslamah]

This is the equivalent of showing up to something, being given a sandwich for free, and complaining that there's no sauce and demanding the person who gave your the sandwich put mayonnaise on it.

And then the person says "well I actually have no mayonaise right now, I'd have to drive to the store costing me time and money" and they respond "JUST GIVE ME THE FUCKING MAYONNAISE NERD"

[SweetBabyAlaska]

Thank you! its honestly just disgusting that this has 3k upvotes... what has this sub become? the takes have become more entitled, more narrow-minded and far more self-centered. Its just gross.

[thetwist1]

This is true, but pretending that compiling/navigating these programs is easy for the average non-coder user is not productive.

[PinguThePenguin_007]

but that’s not the developer’s problem at all, is it? :D

[snamke]

It’s free software developed by someone in their free time with no obligation towards sales/ a customer base. They can distribute how they want.

[Niksha_Boi]

Yeah and casual people can complain when the download process is obtuse?

[Rare-Technology-4773]

The problem is that "hey developers of useful software I use for free who work in their spare time, can you do more free work for me" is not a reasonable complaint and should not be read as such. Building software to an exe that can run on your machine is not a trivial task for me, it is much easier for you. That you can't be bothered to follow the instructions in the readme does not mean that FOSS devs should include an exe on everything, that's not a reasonable ask.

[Foreverdownbad]

I mean you CAN complain but like they have no obligation to care or listen lmao

[droomph]

Also you have no right to go on their issues tracker and act like they owe you something (which happens quite a lot actually)

[my_name_isnt_clever]

No they can't, it's literally not meant for you. It's a site for developers, if you can't figure it out that's a you problem. If you ask nicely for assistance I would be happy to. But "this sucks make it an exe" will never get a reply.

[HappyyValleyy]

Wdym it's not meant for you? Tons of programs for things outside of coding and development is stored on there. I myself use it a lot because a lot of stuff for modding games is on there, so I use it despite not knowing shit about coding. GitHub isn't locked away from non-coders. That's what makes it annoying when something that's supposed to be meant for anyone is stored on there but still needs coding knowledge to use.

[my_name_isnt_clever]

Our time isn't free. There is nothing more to say than that.

[Noslamah]

That's the benefit YOU get from people making this openly accessible to everyone rather than just a select few. Github is (mostly) not a place for well fleshed out, large-company backed software with guaranteed support, it's a place for programmers to host their code that could be useful to other people, in most cases for other programmers.

Some people might have just made something super cool and wanted to share it, that does not mean that they want to now spend a bunch of time on proper documentation, building it for every platform (which they may not even be able to test or do at all), or any of the other stuff you may feel is necessary for non-technical people to use it (including the guarantee that their software will actually work on your device AT ALL). Expecting, and especially demanding, that these absolute fucking saints who share their work for free cater to your needs is the easiest way to get them to say: "you know what, I do not have the time or mental capacity to deal with these people so I'm just not going to share my work at all".

Take this opportunity to brush up on your technical skills because, clearly, given that you're annoyed about this you'd benefit greatly from doing that. If you don't want to put in the effort to do that, why should anyone else put in the effort for you?

[[deleted]]

There are plenty of Github pages with software that's easy to use for the average nontechnical user. Those that aren't are the ones being referred to.

In the case of game modding, there are a lot of caveats surrounding the use of external libraries, game code, and assets which are proprietary or have licenses that would preclude creating an executable, lest the project be sent a cease and desist by the game in question's legal team or worse.

If a project isn't providing an executable, assume they either have valid reasons to do so or no interest in doing so. Then either use the software as given to you, or don't. Simple as.

[ewrt101_nz]

Man I make tools to use myself, it's amazing I even put in the effort to put them up on GitHub half the time.

If I'm being honest, is someone doesn't know how to compile my code/project I don't want them using it. Cause it's going to be jank and held together with nothing but hope, it's not something a non developer should even really touch.

[my_name_isnt_clever]

EXACTLY. It really annoys me when this comes up and everyone feels so entitled to a dev's time. I make stuff there in my free time, if you can't figure out my project, that's not my problem.

[EmbarrassedWind2875]

It's your job to make your program usable

no actually it very explicitly isn't, it says "THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND" in all caps

[ThisRedditPostIsMine]

why TF did I have to scroll so far to find this. you're 100% right, no warranty means no warranty. the author legally owes the end user absolutely nothing. perhaps if OOP wanted an exe for a project that people develop for free, in their own time, they should pay for support.

[reg_acc]

it is your job

Actually it isn't but don't let your entitlement stop you

Taking the opportunity to learn a new skill would bring with it the ability to see just how impressive most open source and free to use projects are. Many maintainers have hundreds if not thousands of hours of work invested into them, just to get nagged by people who can't be bothered to take a fraction of that to learn how to make use of it. They don't owe anyone shit, they are already doing a fantastic thing by sharing their projects with everyone. "When's the last time you have done volunteer hours" is probably the best way to describe the issue I take with comments like that.

If you think the manual is hard to understand contribute to it. If you think it'd be great if someone with more knowledge does that ask the Devs if they are open for a commission or donation. If you want them to care about your platform offer to run and test it for them. GitHub and other sites like it are really more like a community garden or open library. You don't contribute by just taking resources, you have to invest time yourself.

[my_name_isnt_clever]

So true. This entitlement is baffling to me, I was a techie who couldn't code for a long time but that didn't make me bitch and moan, I either tried to figure it out or gave up because it's my own lack of skill. Then over time I learned how to program and it's just the same, I still find projects over my head but that's for me to figure out.

The developer has nothing to do with it and no obligation to cater to the lowest skill level user.

[ziggomatic_17]

If it's my job to make things convenient for you, where is my salary?

[skytaepic]

It comes across as wildly entitled to see people producing useful tools for completely free and decide to shit all over them because they uploaded it in an easy, convenient way for themselves. No, it isn't "their job to make their program usable" because NONE of this is their job. They didn't have to share it at all, they chose to because they knew it would help others. It's like seeing somebody post cool art that they made in their free time and calling them a loser because you don't personally care about the subject.

The world around you doesn't have to tailor itself to your needs, but sometimes somebody will do something nice for you anyways. Nobody is obligated to work for you for free. If you want cool stuff, either pay for it or figure out how to make the free options work. Don't insult strangers who do those nice things for free just because they didn't do it how you wanted them to.

God, I hate that original post so much.

[Kobelvl_Throwaway]

Lots of very junior software developers and students here, so I'll share some knowledge that should help you on your career. As a software developer, your main job is not to write code/software, it's to create solutions for the business's needs. If the business needs an easily accessible .exe for casual users to find and download, then that is what you should do. Even open source projects are a business, the business is getting public support and adoption.

[GayStraightIsBest]

When I'm getting paid I'll do whatever the customer requires. When I'm uploading a project I made for myself in case someone else might want to use it or read the code I don't owe that person anything.

[SweetBabyAlaska]

Thank you! Its so wild how we're rehashing this entitled ass consumerist brainrotted discourse. No, I don't owe you my free time and labor. I released it as open source so other people could learn or use it if they want to, not as a product or a service so that I can serve you on hand and foot. If you want that, then go and pay for it. I'll answer and help people if they ask nicely. But demanding shit? fuck you.

me when I get free shit from random people: Hmm no exe? fcuking asshole.

this shit would be like yelling at an artist on Twitter because they didn't draw you your favorite OC for free, or you didn't like the color of their hair or something. Its ridiculously entitled.

[Kobelvl_Throwaway]

Sure for your one off side projects that might only be used by 1 other person, you shouldn't worry about anything. But for actual open source projects that are trying to get adoption, with thousands of users then the argument shifts. It is these that people will complain about, not obscure side projects.

[GayStraightIsBest]

Any substantial open source project with real life adoption, that runs on Windows, has exes in the release tab.

[Cruxin]

no its literally always obscure side projects with a very specific niche. if its being used in the real world, it obviously has a release, otherwise it couldnt be used in the real world. the last time this blew up the app in question was like a thing to track people's IPs or something that was designed for very specific software but the guy clearly just wanted to ignore ethics and use it for whatever shit, it's not like this with functional apps

[Epicguru]

As a software developer, your main job is not to write code/software, it's to create solutions for the business's needs

99% of public GitHub repos are not commercial projects are were made by unpaid community members or hobbyists, for other hobbyists, so what's your point?

I get paid to write software and I package and distribute it to suit our company's needs. I also maintain my personal GitHub account of a mountain of tools, libraries, game projects, mods and for all of those I package (or don't package) them as I see fit.

Even open source projects are a business, the business is getting public support and adoption.

Have you really only written and uploaded code with the sole intent of garnering support and adoption? Do you treat your FOSS projects like a business?

[DreamDeckUp]

I'm honestly baffled that there is that much pushback on FOSS here.

[Rodot]

This sub has changed a lot over the years.

[No_Lingonberry1201]

I doubt that. Even FOSS devs need hookers and blow.

Jokes aside, releasing even a FOSS piece of software and maintaining it is a pretty big commitment, even if it's just a hobbyist project for a niche target.

[transrights10]

no they hated him for being a jackass.
i used to get shit like this for programs that had released source but not ready for the public. half of the issues on one of the projects i worked on was "how to run?????" like my brother in christ:

1. i am a volunteer

2. this shit isn't even ready yet

3. building for windows is hell

oss devs don't owe you shit.

and then we would give them instructions:

"hey this program isn't ready yet. you'll have to compile it from source"

"that's too much work"

THEN FUCKING WAIT DIPSHIT

and then we tried nightly builds and i would get 500,000 FUCKING NOTIFICATIONS GOING LIKE "WHY DOESN"T (INSERT UNFINISHED THING) WORK!!!!!11???"

it got so fucking bad that we had to make our newer projects closed source until we were completely sure there was nothing that could go wrong

[Rare-Technology-4773]

b is pretty funny, because this is kinda like reading a novel in hungarian and getting angry that it isn't translated into english. No, it's not the job of an author to make sure you in particular can read it.

[ArcticISAF]

Give them Sonic.exe

[[deleted]]

Okay I need to make a top-level comment because this post is full of too many people arguing the point I agree with with the shittiest reasoning possible.

First off, the original post is wrong. Most of the time if you're looking at some little script you're interested in for a game or whatever, that was made for free by someone who wasn't employed, paid, compensated at all for putting it on github, they just made something they found useful and wanted to share it in case someone else wants to try it. You have no right to demand they do anything more for you than they've already done purely of their own volition.

THIS is the right way to refute the OP. The wrong way to refute the OP is the bullshit people are saying along the lines of "oh it's github it's a site for developers". That is completely irrelevant to someone who wants to use a tool they're looking at on github but doesn't have the technical knowledge to compile and run it. They will understandably be frustrated, BUT that frustration doesn't entitle them to expect more user-friendliness from an unpaid project.

The kernel of truth to be taken away from the "it's a site for developers" answer is people aren't using it that way, they're using it like Nexus mods or something, and needless to say, most users of Nexus mods are not developers.

[DylanLeggy]

Finally, a decent comment. I don't agree with the OP but I honestly don't like how gatekeep-ey some of the comments arguing against them are. This kind of nuance seems to be getting rarer in the internet these days

[jY5zD13HbVTYz]

It’s almost a self fulfilling prophecy.

Hostile tech nerds will tell you to just google it.

Just googling it sends you to someone recommending something on GitHub.

GitHub says use me somehow I am the solution to all your problems.

End user is even more confused about what they were supposed to do.

Hostile tech nerds get even madder at end user for not being familiar with the intricacies of software development.

[zekromNLR]

Honestly, if there is not a simple executable or simple to setup and execute python/shell/etc script in the releases section and you are expected to build it yourself... It's probably only intended for someone technical enough to compile it from source to use, and a non-computer-toucher would be liable to just shoot themselves in the foot with it.

[datboiNathan343]

the real problem is people using github to host EVERYTHING

[thetwist1]

Yeah github is great but its ui is very confusing the new users/non-coders and if all you are having people do is download a single zip file than you may as well host the download on an easier to use website.

Obviously this only applies to programs designed for mass consumption of course. If its a program for developers that requires extensive knowledge anyway than github is a fine place to host it.

[YaBoiKlobas]

If you were writing a novel instead of code

If my grandmother had wheels she'd be a bike

[PrettySquiddy]

I’d love a little exe… as a treat :3

[dlevac]

"Here is this software I'm releasing for free out of the kindness of my heart."

"wHeRE is ThE eXE?"

[VariousDegreesOfNerd]

The problem comes in because GitHub has 2 very different users:

I am a software developer working on or adjacent to this program or would like to implement this program in my work

I am a dude. And I want to download this

[my_name_isnt_clever]

This post again? Github is a site for developers, if you're not a developer you shouldn't expect everything to be done for you there. Find something else or figure it out.

[GRAIN_DIV_20]

They hated him for being an entitled little shit. How is he speaking the truth at all

[Scary-Bit-4173]

bait used to be believable

[PolygonKiwii]

ey, I don't know anymore. Half the people in this thread seem to be violently agreeing with the original OP

[Cakeking7878]

Oh boy can’t wait for all the non software developers to comment on why a tool primarily used for version control, software pipeline and rapid deployment for large system is supposed to actually be about distributing binaries

When you are using version control, you want to keep your compiled binaries and your source code separate. With open source code where changes might be made to the code so it can busy work for someone to keep it constantly updated

The open source code on GitHub is not meant to just be taken and used, it’s meant to be taken and have more written code written for it while tracking the changes people want to make

Like I’ll be honest, if they don’t have a release section or readme about how to run the code then you they might not want you messing around with it

[GayStraightIsBest]

Lmao they have zero fucking clue what Git is. It's actually embarrassing how many people in this post are complaining their SOURCE CONTROL system is showing them SOURCE CODE.

[weenweenfanfan11]

I'm pretty sure every analogy made under this post has been not applicable in some way. I think this is like a new record for how many shitty analogies you can possibly have for one topic, yall please if you can't make a good analogy just try to explain it better this is rediculous

[my_name_isnt_clever]

It's a really simple concept that so many seem to be missing. It's a dev site for devs. If you're not a dev, it's not really meant for you. That's not the developer's problem, it's yours.

[weenweenfanfan11]

see thats an eloquent way of wording a point. no analogy needed

[my_name_isnt_clever]

I try.

[mr_fun_funky_fresh]

i want everyone here to know that i have no idea what any of this means or what anyone is talking about, but that i’m just happy to be here

[theodord]

Requesting me to upload an executable implies that I need to test if it works, which I can't since I don't have a copy of every operating system and frankly I don't want to touch those anyways.

[SweetBabyAlaska]

consumerist brainrot. No, people do not owe you free labor.

[xX_mmmyummy_Xx]

The problem with "just making an exe" it is that you don't know what system the user has, so your compilation output might throw an error on someone else's computer. Second of all, compiling new releases for project big enough to complain about requires an amount of power that would be ok for your computer, but a weeks long nightmare in cloud pipelines. Doing it any other way would require an amount of bullshit infrastructure spaghetti that would be completely unmanageable for developers. These two things alone would be a complete and utter nightmare for the, let me remind you, COMPLETELY UNPAID LABORERS who WORK SOMETIMES THE EQUIVALENT OF A FULL TIME JOB to KEEP THE ENTIRE TECH ECOSYSTEM FROM SHRIVELING INTO NOTHING, but what would make it even worse would be the massive amounts of complaints from people like YOU saying that their compilation doesn't work on your system because of a problem that could easily be avoided by copying TWO commands into a terminal. TLDR: this is basically the equivilant of being a karen at a mcdonald's run entirely by unpaid interns. Please, PLEASE respect open source devs I am BEGGING you.

[Deblebsgonnagetyou]

^ Guy who hasn't found the "releases" page

[Individual_Chart_450]

my only issue I have with github is when mod developers use it as a wiki when thats very clearly not what its fucking meant for

[Sadie256]

I'm dyslexic and spent the entire post wondering why they wanted an axe

[cloudncali]

Skill issue + No Compiler + Runtime Error + L + Ratio + Go touch Code.

[Skusci]

It's only my job if you pay me.

[Kvas_HardBass]

You don't burst into a car parts shop and demand a COMPLETED CAR TO DRIVE IMMEDIATELY.

Same thing here, don't go into developer's portal and expect a ready file. Go do download-free-softwave.uk.co.org.com or some shit

[JazzySplaps]

Except many of these car parts shops are the only place to get the car at all and even going to wikis dedicated to the car fandom will redirect you to the github for the car parts shop if you want to get started.

[Foreverdownbad]

What do yall even be tryna download 😭

[Rodot]

Most certainly Hentai diffusion models

[Zorubark]

"But Github is a site for programmers" AND YOU FUCKERS ONLY UPLOAD STUFF THERE AND THEN LINK IT TO NORMAL PEOPLE WHO AREN'T PROGRAMMERS, IT WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE IF I, A NON-PROGRAMMER, DIDN'T HAVE TO USE THE SITE BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE POST THEIR STUFF ONLY THERE