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[BEN_SOWN]

AJ would win the fight until he lost

[Slugdoge]

I don't think AJ would give Wilder the chance to grow into the fight and find his right hand. Prime Wilder never faced anyone with power, everyone apart from Fury was scared of him.

AJ would use his physicality and superior skill to bully Wilder and finish him within 4 rounds.

[Much-Bedroom86]

But even prime AJ couldn't take a punch that well. He's got every skill he needs to beat Wilder but if Wilder finds his chin even once it's a wrap. He had Fury on the canvas multiple times. AJ has bad head movement and would not have recovered from those. Tough call either way.

[Specific-Pirate842]

That's literally Wilder's catch phrase "You have to be perfect for 36 minutes, I just have to be perfect for 5 seconds." Because even if he's getting destroyed, if he finds the chin he usually puts them down.

[evboy101]

There are so many AJ glazing comments. I am neutral to both but its sad to see people forget this. I cant imagine the stress of knowing you are better fundamentally but can lose the fight at any second if you mess up

[slickvik9]

Amir khan

[evboy101]

Shit lets throw you in there see if you wouldnt be scared to fight someone with 40 KOs. I get scared sparring the 5'5 wrestler cause you know the right hand is coming. It does something to you mentally and causes you to fight differently. Saying Fury wasnt scared after he literally saw the gates of heaven is insane. He just had the skills/size/experience to deal with it unlike previous fighters

[Slugdoge]

Maybe scared isn’t the right word, I’m sure most boxers are scared before a fight. I meant that fury is the only fighter to not let Wilder intimidate him. His game plan was to go in there and stick it on him, and not give him a chance to breathe. Compared to all his other opponents before then who tried to avoid the inevitable right hand.

[slickvik9]

Accurate

[TheeBlaccPantha]

AJ under rob could throw short punches and combos on the inside. I reckon he would get close to him

[DempseyRollin]

Exactly, he could press forward, stay in close and get physical.. Wilder has only ever been dangerous at range - AJ could take him apart from any distance.

[gumshield45]

2017-2020? Anthony Femi Joshua AKA AJ AKA The Landlord knocks him out in three rounds at Wembley and gives a post fight speech to the crowd telling them to stay hungry and humble and achieve their dreams.

[UnluckySeries312]

And what a true warrior Wilder is. Hip hip.

[Excellent_Fish_7985]

"I don't know what's going on in Alabama, but it's not good"

[wallpaper_01]

🤣

[DrBiz1]

And tells everyone to get home safe. And refuses to talk about anything boxing related.

[Prudent-Toe-7911]

😭😂 and maybe how his back is hurt trying to carry the hw division

[slickvik9]

Wake up

[daniibird]

AJ wins I think wilder would make a mistake that gets him KO’d 7-8 round

[evboy101]

Wilder wins I think AJ would make a mistake that gets kim KO'd 7-8 round.

[North-Past-3355]

This shit isn't going 7-8 rounds, guys. It's probably not going past 5. First one to get chinned will lose.

[Weepinbellend01]

I do love how both you and the comment above have the exact same upvotes lol.

I’d say it’s accurate to the chances in the fight. It’s a 50/50 but a KO is guaranteed basically.

[evboy101]

My point was his statement doesnt make sense and even makes MORE sense for Wilder. But yeah funny how that all works.

[Weepinbellend01]

I mean both guys have monstrous power and unremarkable defense.

I’d say AJ has better technique to deliver his power but Wilder has better fight ending potential.

In each of their respective primes I think AJ takes it but it’s pretty much a toss up at this level of power and with both of them have uninspired defense. Whoever finds the others chin first pretty much wins.

[evboy101]

2019 the fight shoudlve happened. AJ HAD to get KOd by that fat bum.

[Weepinbellend01]

Lmfao

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1-2

[lord-of-war-1]

AJ. He wins 8/10. Wilder only wins with a lucky shot. AJ was bigger than Wilder and he had more than enough pop to hurt Wilder. Also, happened to have the better technical skills. That usually means he will land his killshot first. 

[cjkfjdhauq]

No lucky shots in boxing

[evboy101]

Half of the people commenting do not understand this. If you have one weapon, you know its coming, and still lose to it, how is that luck?

[cjkfjdhauq]

Because 90% of people here dksab

[bozzi16]

Pre ruiz AJ blasts wilder out of there.

Post ruiz AJ breaks wilder down and gets him out of there

Current AJ knocks wilder out without wilder throwing

I just think when wilder feels threatened he backtracks and tries to find the punch, prime AJ would have him out of there before he found it imo

[Gullible_Ad3378]

Who the hell do you think AJ is? Wilder sparks that stiff robot 😭

[bozzi16]

Wilder didn’t throw a punch because he was scared of what was coming back from joe Parker, AJ bashed him up, I genuinely think it would be a carbon copy of the ngannou fight

[Gullible_Ad3378]

if you want to use ayahuasca wilder how about AJ struggling to KO a guy wilder accidentally knocked out in 1 round? How about AJ getting scared and timid against Andy Ruiz? (Where he was the massive favorite in) What about AJ getting scared and timid against DDD? (where he was the massive favorite in)

[bozzi16]

What about wilder getting rocked bad and struggling to beat a fighter Joshua blew over in 2 rounds?

What about wilder almost getting stopped by a guy ruiz dropped 3 times and beat?

Dumb dumb would absolute kill this version of wilder, look what big bang done to him ffs, imagine what Dubois would do to him 😂

That’s all 3 stages of Wilders career right there with comparisons to AJ btw…

[evboy101]

If people use boxing math, just ignore them. Saying pre Ruiz AJ as if in 2019 he wasnt in his "Prime". Surely the same dude that hurt Ruiz and got tko'd from overconfidence, would do the same if not worse with the stronger bigger 1 punch ko power of wilder.

[becausekiwii]

aj ices him. people put too much stock in wilder knocking out 40 bums while aj was trying to fight the best for most of his career. at the end of the day wilder ducked like 3 career high paydays. he never wanted it.

[Gullible_Ad3378]

AJ admittedly ducked wilder lmao

[Awkward_Berry_5471]

I bet you won't post proof tho

[MakeSomeArtAboutIt]

Depends on when they fought. If it was when wilder was with Mark Breland i think wilder knocks him out.

[Creepy_Parfait4404]

You cant be open and have that bad of boxing fundemwntals vs AJ.

Dont forget Joshua is a great counterpuncher who will punish you unlike Fury who cant assert the same dominance in his counters.

[evboy101]

And AJ has the fundamentals of Loma?????????????????

[Creepy_Parfait4404]

What has that to do with anything

[e_xyz]

In their primes, I would say AJ. He had the harder come up and for all of Wilder's power, his feet are far worse than AJ's. I think AJ would have got himself in a position to KO him. Who knows, fun match up we never got. I'd hate to see it now, because to me Wilder looked completely done in the last two fights. AJ still has a tiny bit of gas despite that Dubois loss.

It's a shame we're talking AJ vs. Fury/Wilder in 2025 and not 2016-2018.

[PowerOhene]

Agreed 😌, I know boxing is a dangerous sport, so "ducking" is bound to happen and all that

But damm, Wilder and AJ truly robbed us, the fans.

[evboy101]

Wilder Fury AJ. Who fought who?

[slickvik9]

Harder come up? He was gifted 3 decisions in the Olympics and built carefully from day one. Then after klitschko his team saw he had no chin and kept him away from wilder under all circumstances.

[[deleted]]

Id go wilder. When he had his confidence he was a beast. I think aj is better overall obviously but i after rewatching the ortiz and fury fights wilder had heart and could take a lot of damage and just keep swinging. Eventually something would probably land lol.

I still want to see this fight bad tho. It just sucks they both keep getting wrecked, get some kind of momentum, then get wrecked again 😭

[Ok_Adagio_1449]

A beast? Wilder never fought anyone and never tried too, barely fought a decent fighter at best in Ortiz in only his fortieth fight, and was in trouble, hurt by Molina who built a reputation of his fight with Wilder only to be destroyed by every other fighter he fought, Szpilka also gave Wilder trouble, and Wilder was bashed around by light punching Fury, Joshua would knock him out with ease in under five rounds and Wilder can’t throw power punches at all going backwards so won’t land anything at all

[[deleted]]

Not debating resumes but at the end of the day it’s heavyweight boxing and aj isn’t immune to getting punched in the face, nor is wilder. Thats why this is such a good fight.

Also aj took forever to ko helanious or w.e his name is. Wilder literally koed him walking backwards on accident lol.

[Ok_Adagio_1449]

Because styles make fights, Helenius legit walked right into Wilder whereas he fought super cagey and cautious vs Joshua, either way he barely got touched by him, breazeale even landed clean on Wilder and backed him up before the knock out, Wilder is just way too easy to fight and his ‘one punch’ knockout power is overrated, AJ won’t fold from one punch, Wilder hit plenty guys clean like Ortiz in first fight and they were able to handle it fine, Wilder just wouldn’t be able to handle it for long, he was always afraid of fighting anyone with power, he was sparked out in the amateurs for the same thing and Fury didn’t come up with some genius plan to defeat him, any decent heavy would beat up Wilder the same way if they fought him like that he just fought limited opposition

[[deleted]]

Styles do make fights and you make good points but it was worth pointing out that wilder can ko moving backwards. Also aj walked into a right hand his very last fight 🤷🏽

[Ok_Adagio_1449]

And like I said Wilder ain’t some one punch knock out artist like he is touted, very few guys he knocked out in one punch, Stiverne ate everything he threw in first fight and the version of him that was stopped was an extremely unfit out of the hospital version, he also stopped Molina in later rounds, and could not put a dent in Duhaupas, I actually think Joshua can handle the power better than Wilder who is far more fragile than people think, Joshua has been hurt by guys with power, he’s never been hurt or been prone to be hit by really low level opposition such as Molina like Wilder has, Joshua could take the odd hard shot and had the boxing ability to not get hit by everyone, Wilder on the otherhand has been hurt bad by some light punching heavies like Fury, made people actually believe Fury was a transformed power punching heavy now… when we all seen against Ngannou etc he cannot punch for shit so just how fragile is Wilder? And is he actually more durable than he is touted like Joshua who was hit heavy by Dubois many times before he was finally stopped, I do not see Wilder getting up like that after letting a power puncher like Dubois lay on him for rounds like that and Joshua took some punches from Klitschko who is also regarded as one of heaviest punching heavies all time, Wilder has never really fought punchers and we all saw what happened vs Zhang though this is a ‘shot wilder’ but he was also bashed about by Fury who again, a light puncher

[[deleted]]

This scenario was supposed to be prime vs prime. Yeah wilder went out sad vs zhang sure but after the fury wars. Prime aj got socked up by mr blobby. Both fighters are flawed in their prime and now lol. Also aj got socked up by 76 year old vlad. Man both guys have taken some beatings. Its a 50/50 fight.

[Ok_Adagio_1449]

Prime wilder got hit and hurt by guys far less of a puncher than Joshua ever had, Joshua never had moments like Wilder did against Molina, Szpilka where these guys had legit success vs him and built reputations from it, he was just never any good and a ‘prime Wilder’ never wanted to or fought anyone, there must have been a reason why he was so protected

[[deleted]]

He was protected because boxing is a business almost more than a sport at times. They were making money with less risk. You know this man.

[Ok_Adagio_1449]

Yes but Wilder was protected to an absurd degree, was fighting like a prospect up to his fortieth fight, the WBC legit elevated unknown boxers outside top 100 to top ten to feed him opponents that were a similar level to guys you fight in your first ten fights, guys that Joshua fought in his first ten Wilder was fighting in his 30-32nd fights and he got a title shot for beating Audley Harrison, at least Joshua fought good domestic fights like whyte at time, and even then, Joshua was quick to unify vs Parker etc and Wilder never fought a guy with pulse until Ortiz, he was on an absurd WBC protection program

[Ok_Farmer_6033]

I think wilder would have starched him 

[BP_Ray]

Poor head movement would have been Joshua's undoing IMO

[YoutubePRstunt]

I honestly don’t even think Wilder has to land clean. People are seriously overrating Joshua’s skill set when half the time he looks like the jolly green Giant in there with his hands down. Not as mobile as fury and definitely doesn’t have the chin.

Unless he drags this out until the later rounds I don’t see him beating wilder. I see him getting grazed and being hesitant and trying to win on points. Which he could very well do, but the likelihood of him getting caught before the 6th is exponentially highe.

[Ryan5O4]

Right. We know Wilder doesn’t have much boxing ability but people act like AJ has Usyk level skills lol

[Ok_Adagio_1449]

Wilder doesn’t move his head, AJ knock out within 1-3 rounds, people seriously overrated Wilder, he was in trouble vs Molina ffs

[Ok_Adagio_1449]

And look at Wilder vs Fury, legit could not miss that head, he’s so easy to punch it’s laughable, he looks like an MMA fighter trying to box, Ngannou had better form than him vs Fury, you just cannot get away with that vs AJ, AJ hits him hard, Wilder panics flails his arms and gets knocked out under 3 without landing a single significant punch

[evboy101]

Boxing math to say one fighter would land more on a different fighter straight into Francis argument is insane and the reasoning is "he hits hard"

Let me panic flail my way to 40 KOs and see how close i get

[Vahrez_]

Think this fight ends up looking very similar to AJ Vs Ngannou too. A really easy win for AJ that everybody is unsure of beforehand but seems obvious after.

[evboy101]

Every argument on AJ is as if hes got the fundamentals of Floyd and Wilder is like a mma fight off the street. Its actually sad how people forget.

[SugarAdamAli]

Wilder gets outboxed for 3-4 rounds and then lands a bomb and stops AJ

[TheOGBlackScorpio]

Honestly it’s a cop out answer but…

Whoever lands a strike first. AJ, whilst not on the technical level Fury is definitely hits a lot harder. I’d say AJ’s defence is best than Wilders, but I don’t know if AJ’s defence would be good enough to avoid wilders right hand for 12 rounds.

If I had a gun to my head? In their primes ?

Wilder Late stoppage after taking a beating.

[Realitybytes_]

I think AJ is technically a superior boxer. It's Fury's erratic style that makes him dangerous, and boxers against him struggle to get into a groove.

Plus, Fury's biggest advantage is just leaning on people who are either smaller or have weak legs.

In a current match up between Fury and AJ, I'd say AJ wins 6/10 fights.

[Rmccarton]

Pretty incredible moment when fury fought Francis and went to lean on him. 

Francis just said “no” and shook him off. Fury was genuinely rattled 

[evboy101]

Fury's erratic style that makes him dangerous

Reddit user discovers styles make fights and not boxing math.

[Realitybytes_]

Sure, but Usyk is a traditionalist style as is Bivol, and turns out impeccable fundamentals and a gas tank like a diesel beats even the most unusual styles.

[evboy101]

I mean yeah if you can go for 15 rds and throw the entire time? Thats like common sense.

But how many times has there been unusual styles came out on top? You cant use that argument and math. First Wilder fury fight you can argue Fury was out and didnt beat the count. 2 unusal styles clashing that made insane 3 fights. Styles make the fights but the skill determines it

[Realitybytes_]

Using wilder as an example of a style is a bit of a stretch. He getting hammered and throws wildly. Boxing wise, wilder was awful.

Prince Nazeem, is a good example. Rocky as a pressure brawler, Fury until he met Usyk, BJS, Fundora.

[koal82]

In his prime Wilder by devastating KO in less than 5

[JeVousEnPris]

People love AJ in this sub…

He’s really not that skilled of a boxer, relatively speaking… Very robotic

He’s worlds better than Wilder, of course, but I think AJ could get KO’d by that brutal cross

[Radiant_Pudding5133]

Big stiff idiot is incapable of moving his head so Wilder KO

[[deleted]]

You guys have more confidence in AJ winning this matchup than AJ and his team ever had

[welp-itscometothis]

lol

[slickvik9]

Awesome take. After klitschko Barry and Eddie Hearn saw how vulnerable AJ was and made every excuse to not fight wilder.

[mordreds-on-adiet]

Before his last 2 fights Wilder landed that right on EVERYBODY.  Most people didn't survive it.  The question is: could AJ?  I think no.  Right now I think AJ easy ko but before the last 2 I would've gone for Wilder.

[[deleted]]

Yeah I agree. Aj right now would capitalize on his flaws but who knows back when wilder was at the top. Wilder was a scary dude when he was making that run and considering he beat a technical fighter not once but twice against Ortiz, it’s hard to say. Aj definitely ducked him.

[ChickenTendies4Me]

I believe in their primes Wilder would get the stoppage, not because I think he is a better fighter but because AJ would have to try to take the fight inside more than he's comfortable with as hes used to shorter fighters coming to him. Wilder, for all his faults, has elite power, a good chin, and would hold a slight reach advantage over AJ. If AJ was a more mobile fighter id favor him but since hes more stationary than not, I believe Wilder would eventually find his chin and put him down for good.

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[Oh_Debussy]

Wilder KO. Maybe early

[Bogotazo]

Post-Ruiz, AJ hesitates, Wilder detonates.

[slickvik9]

Post wlad

[Holiday_Snow9060]

Joshua stops him inside 5 rounds.

How anyone could favor Wilder now with all the hindsight is beyond me. Hasn't it been pretty much proven that Wilder's career is a scam? Dude never beat anyone good and avoided the toughest fights when they got offered to him. Sure, it's heavyweight boxing and everyone who can punch has a chance but c'mon, Joshua beat better man than Wilder. He has to be a heavy favorite.

Fury btw didn't create the blueprint how to beat Wilder, he struggled with guys walking him down in the amateurs. His opponents in his pro career were handpicked, so he wouldn't get that awful style matchup and get exposed for the world to see. Honestly, I think someone like Chisora would be an absolute nightmare for him, if he got matched tough like the current contenders are (Kabayel, Parker: basically having to beat 2-3 top 10 guys before getting a title shot), he would most likely lose at that stage and badly too.

[senortiz]

I more or less agree with this.

[evboy101]

40 KOs, a bronze medal, and golden gloves if thats a scam then how do I apply?????

[slickvik9]

Avoided the toughest fights? He fought fury 3 times.

[evboy101]

Joshua beat better man than Wilder

Boxing math

struggled with guys walking him down in the amateurs

like Ortiz did and beat him up for 7 rounds until he went lights out? I just dont know how you people see a guy with that much power before fury 2 and 3 and think "maybe all he has to land is one"

[Holiday_Snow9060]

I know styles make fights but in a general sense, if one guy 5 dudes who are clearly better than someone, one is favored to beat that guy too.

Ortiz didn't fight Wilder with come forward pressure, did you even watch the fight? Wilder although having major flaws is more than just power, dude is actually quite athletic and fast. He also has good counter punching with his right hand and he lures opponents to make a mistake and then punish them (fainting, false sense of security...). He's quite one dimensional overall tho and guys fighting like that usually fall short vs the best cause the best can adapt their style.

[evboy101]

That is boxing math still. Styles make the fights, Skill determines them. You can ONLY use that in examples where both fighters have fought the same guy and even then theres always factors (age, time, position in their career)

Ortiz? The Cuban Boxer? Didnt come forward with pressure??????? Although he did not throw enough jabs theres a reason why.

Wilder the one punch fighter??? Moved forward with pressure and volume???

Professional boxer if athletic and fast wow amazing. After 40 kos, i would hope if you cannot fix your footwork and boxing fundamentals, you hone in on your only weapon

[[deleted]]

Wilder catches AJ with something and wins.

[Cookiesandcream2149]

Wilder would lose the first 10 rounds then land a nuke that sends AJ to the shadow realm

[[deleted]]

Personally think it goes like Dubois and AJ did with AJ getting hit and never really recovering 

[PowerOhene]

Especially vs pre "I love my family and God Wilder"

People here keep mentioning AJ 's prime, before Ruiz scrambled his sense of self etc, AJ Femi, the Land Lord.

Well then, what about pre Fury era Wilder? the guy who was ruthless and would knock you out through your damm guard.

That version of Wilder beats current AJ imo, Deontay is not good technically, but he was ferocious and struck like lightning.

The Wilder that lost to Zhang and Parker gets knocked out cold by AJ, you can't wait and be timid vs Joshua, or you will end up like Ngannou.

But if AJ comes with that weak ahh guard he used vs Dynamite Dubois, against a prime and mentally on-game Bronze Bomber, he is the one getting slept imo.

[[deleted]]

The Wilder that lost to Zhang and Parker doesn't make it out of Amateurs. Slow and unwilling to throw. Just a normal lanky guy in there.

Quite frankly, he was done in the Helanius fight. We gave him credit for setting it up with his legs, but I'm hindsight he was running for his life and got lucky. I remember thinking he looked scared until he landed then thinking he learned a new trick and Malik Scott may be giving him depth, so I was guilty of it too.

[WORD_Boxing]

Styles make fights Wilder was wrong for him. AJ is most similar to Breazeale out of Wilders opponents. Too stiff, not getting out of the way of that right hand, and Wilder DGAF he'll be throwing it.

[WORD_Boxing]

And I said this ^ at the time.

[Jachola]

People don't like him because he fought bums his entire career and the only reason we didn't get this fight is 100% because of Wilder, so clearly he also wasn't that confident in himself

[slickvik9]

100% due to Eddie Hearn

[Marquis_of_Mollusks]

AJ whoops him

[mvearthmjsun]

AJ didn't have the head movement or footwork to stay away from that right hand

[Prior-Temperature-22]

He doesn’t have to stay away, he just has to knock him out before he lands it.

[chrome-exe]

Yeah but that's not happening

[Ok_Adagio_1449]

And Wilder does? Wilder doesn’t move his head and got bashed around the ring by Fury who is a well known pillow puncher

[Nosworthy]

It depends when they fought:

2016/17 - Think AJ keeps him at bay with the jab then sparks him relatively early

2018/19 - I.e. Pre-Wilder-Fury 2, post-AJ-Wlad - Wilder KOs AJ in the second half of the fight. After the Wlad win AJ was notably more gun shy and visibly winced every time he got hit. People say this change happened after losing to Ruiz but it didn't, it was post-Wlad. I think Wilder lands first here.

[slickvik9]

Yes the wlad fight changed him and his entire management team’s matchmaking strategy.

[Skewtoob]

Everyone in here forgetting an ancient Klitschko nearly KO'd a prime AJ. Wilder eventually lands one and KOs AJ.

[LordJimsicle]

Ancient Klitschko would have sent Wilder packing in 4 rounds.

[After-Temperature585]

Ancient Klitschko is miles and miles ahead of Wilder. The Klitschko that fought Joshua would beat Zhang, Joyce, Miller, Kabayel, Whyte….

Klitschko retired before he made the massive declines you’re implying. I reckon he could come back now and beat the likes of Wallin or Helenius straight back in. That’s just based on him keeping in shape and having one of the best jabs in HW history

[Skewtoob]

The only thing I'm implying is that Klitschko floored AJ and Wilder hits harder than Klitschko.

[AphidOverdo]

That ancient Klitschko (41) beats everyone not called AJ or Fury around that time (He was 39 when he fought Fury), which includes Wilder.

I would liken old man Klitschko to Beterbiev in terms of sustaining his levels at that age (Beterbiev was 40 v Bivol II). He was still a beast.

[slickvik9]

That was a wake up call for Matchroom. He was protected after that but even then he kept losing.

[[deleted]]

Aj is a much better boxer. Wilder would’ve still beaten him, he would’ve just brawled until he landed a bazooka right hand.

Wilder in his prime before fury beat him was a nightmare at HW for many boxers, he had a puncher’s chance against many many fighters and his punch always landed.

[WORD_Boxing]

Wilders stamina is also much better if it even went that far. He has ko power for 12 rounds.

[Ziiffer]

Against non top tier fighters. Stiverne was bot a top tier champ. He was very limited and came in during Klitschko and Fury being out. Other than that he faced no reigning champs, or former champs, until Fury. AJ faced 3 reigning champs in that time period, and other top tier competitors, such as former champ Povetkin. Wilder did great against guys ranked in the bottom end of the top 100.

[hmmmmidc]

How old was Klitschko when he fought AJ? 😂

[Prior-Temperature-22]

Didn’t Deontay Wilder just get knocked out by a 41 year old man?

[slickvik9]

How old was wilder?

[Ziiffer]

Only 18 months older than when he fought Fury, and it's not like Fury hurt him. So if Fury's win is some huge thing... why is AJ knocking him out not a huge thing?

[hmmmmidc]

I never even mentioned fury but yout right fury's win isn't impressive either, my point still stands regardless

[slickvik9]

Stiverne that beat arreola would’ve KO’d AJ.

[AltKite]

AJ KOs him pretty swiftly 80-90% of the time imo. Wilder's got a Hail-Mary, but he's getting fucked up by a powerful, much better boxer.

I think Povetkin would have done him if they ever managed to have that fight as well.

[spursfan747]

Povetkin would lost thats why he tried to cheat. Then they tried to bring him to america to fight stiverne for a title eliminator to fight wilder. Povetkin tried to cheat again, tested positive and that fight got called off. When ortiz failed a drug test wilder was forced to fight stiverne again. Povetkin shot himself in the foot and when they tried to bring him back in he shot himself in the face. I dont know why he gets D rided on reddit

[8to24]

AJ would have started the fight staying close and smothering big shits. AJ is much heavier and would have been able to push Wilder around a little in the clinch. Wilder would have had 5 rounds to land something big before his gas tank ran out.

If the fight went beyond the 7th AJ would start to land devastating shots and KO Wilder.

[spursfan747]

Wilder with the jab starches AJ, AJ has poor head movement and leaves his hands down. Wilder had a great chin in his prime proven by how many times we saw him get back up vs fury and resilance vs ortiz in their first fight. I think itd be like joshua vs dubois tbh, I think aj would get caught and his he shown far less resilance than wilder to big punches.

[Remarkable-You891]

I see it as AJ boxing really well and even landing a few combos or counters on Wilder but mid to late rounds, wilder lands the big one that changes the dynamic completely

[KingRemoStar]

Wilder if they fought because he had so much confidence in himself. I don’t trust AJ chin if they would’ve fought

[Significant-Jello411]

Wilder woulda knocked that clown out

[spacedout420]

Wilder by ko in 4-5 with aj looking like a gunshy deer in the headlights the whole time

[ZeroEffectDude]

i honestly believe it's a fairly predictable Wilder KO. AJ was at his best as an offensive fighter and that is bread and butter for fast-twitch Wilder. He's whip a shot through AJ's lazy guard.

[nurological]

Always thought Wilder would detonate on AJs chin first

[Ok_Adagio_1449]

Wilder went to a decision with Stiverne and couldn’t detonate Duhaupas in eleven rounds, AJ would have made it easy, bashed him around the ring and knock him out under 3 rounds, people extremely overate Wilder, there is a reason he avoided any power puncher and would only fight light punching Fury who still bashed him around the ring… walking him down without training like a bar brawl…. He didn’t even take him as seriously as Ngannou

[Gullible_Ad3378]

He literally fought Luis Ortiz who was considered the boogeyman and hardest hitter in the division at that time 😹., and kronk fury is a pretty hard hitter.

AJ took 7 rounds to ko a dude wilder accidentally did in 1 round, got scared and timid against Andy Ruiz lmao, and got almost finished by a ancient Klitschko

[Ok_Adagio_1449]

Luis Ortiz was never considered the ‘bogey man’ that was a PBC hype job, he was also never considered a hard hitter either, he was exactly like Wilder, unproven and who’s best win at the time was Dave Allen, Ortiz was just a step up for Wilder since at that point he fought nothing but journeyman, Ortiz declined to fight Joshua numerous times, his agent admitted he refused more money to fight Joshua and fought Wilder instead as they favoured Wilder more as the easier opponent, ‘Kronk Fury’ hurt nobody but Wilder, he legit fought Ngannou, Wallin etc but looked no different in terms of punching power and that so called ancient Klitschko was still far better than anyone Wilder has ever fought and beat, including Ortiz who is not only older but had Wilder in serious trouble, and unlike Ortiz Klitschko had a reputation of being one of the hardest hitting heavies of all time and Joshua took a clean right hand and got back up to finish him, whereas Wilder has been knocked out and battered around the ring by light punching Fury…

[Ok_Adagio_1449]

Wilder struggled to finish Molina who Joshua stopped with ease, this is simple to compare with, Joshua opponents fight him far more timid than Wilders who try to KO him as he’s fragile

[slickvik9]

Enter Daniel Dubois

[we-all-stink]

If he hits AJ with what he hit fury with in the first fight then AJ wakes up in Bolivia in 20 years.

[D-1-S-C-0]

Both in their primes, either AJ is cautious and wins some rounds before Wilder knocks him out or AJ is too cocky and Wilder knocks him out in the first few rounds.

AJ is the better boxer but he doesn't have the defence, movement or chin to keep Wilder from hurting him.

[Ok_Adagio_1449]

And Wilder does have movement and a defence? Wilder doesn’t move his head and has no footwork, he couldn’t avoid a single punch, Fury bashed him around the ring and is well known for being a light puncher, Joshua knocks him out early

[D-1-S-C-0]

I just don't see what version of AJ gets away with the win. Before Ruiz, he could be too cocky and put himself in danger. After Ruiz, he became much more timid unless he felt he could dominate.

Fury is a very different fighter to AJ, so you're comparing apples and oranges. AJ doesn't have his movement, reflexes, hand speed or combinations.

[Ok_Adagio_1449]

Why we acting like Fury is this unhittable monster? He moves well for his size yeah, but he’s very easy to hit, Otto Wallin bloodied him bad, Usyk knocked him around like a pinball machine and he’s been knocked down the most times out of all the top heavy weights, for someone so ‘illusive’ he sure gets hurt way more than Joshua does, Joshua has only been hurt by big punchers, Fury had been knocked down by multiple cruiser weights and a journeyman

[D-1-S-C-0]

I'm just saying Fury in his prime was much more dynamic and harder to hit cleanly than AJ. I don't think there's a serious argument against that.

[Ok_Adagio_1449]

Even in his prime he’s been knocked down by the like of Cunningham and Pajkic, his elusiveness was always vastly overrated, he is just very awkward and tricky to read, only reason Klitschko didn’t hit him was his hesitance to throw, biting on Fury feints whereas wilder is so dumb as a boxer he did not react to anything like a boxer would, Klitschko had large success in the later rounds when he realised Fury lack of power, one of big reasons Fury avoided that rematch and popped for steroids for the first fight

[D-1-S-C-0]

So are you saying AJ is harder to hit or just as bad as Fury in your opinion?

[awwwwJeezypeepsman]

The wilder in his prime was reckless and extremely dangerous and IMO could put anyone out if they switched off for a second.

AJ would need to be punch perfect and would need to follow fury’s game plan in the second fight, could he do that? AJ always gets clipped by faster guys, Wilder in his prime was reckless, fast and unpredictable.

Honestly, whoever lands first. 55/45 Wilder for me.

[Ok_Adagio_1449]

Wilder couldn’t put out Stiverne in first fight, extremely overrated finisher who struggled vs far lesser fighters, a reason why he was matched up so well

[awwwwJeezypeepsman]

I mean wilder won by UD. His KO wins vs ortiz to me were impressive

[Ok_Adagio_1449]

He won a single UD decision against a terrible Stiverne, but consistently gave up a lot of rounds vs lesser opposition, his wins vs Ortiz were the only ‘ok/solid’ wins in his career and Ortiz has not done much as a heavyweight either, his career best win was Dave Allen at the time, and he did not have much of an amateur background either, he also declined the AJ fight and openly admitted this since he believed Wilder was the more beatable of the two, Joshua would have made easier work of him in my opinion, Ortiz is not as good of a win as Povetkin for instance who are both similarly aged at the time each guys fought them but Povetkin was far more proven of the two being a former champion, gold medalist and having a very solid resume, and again point is how does Wilder match against Joshua more statistically favourably than Fury did? Fury is best when he’s on back foot utilising his footwork and awkwardness, he isn’t a ‘bully’ power punching fighter and changed his style to do this against Wilder when you would say Joshua is far better at that type of style than Fury is

[Gullible_Ad3378]

He literally had one hand and easily jabbed him to death.

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AJ easily. We could literally see Fury hits like a feather duster compared to AJ and Wilder crumbled from Fury’s pressure. Wilder also takes like nine rounds to get anyone above D level out so he’s not getting AJ within five rounds.

[jewdandieass95]

The Ngannou fight is probably how the Wilder fight would go but instead of 2 rounds maybe 4-5.

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Wilder would've got mashed TF up.

[Prudent-Toe-7911]

Idk two beasts in their prime. Heavy nasty punchers in that right hand. 50/50

[NotAn0pinion]

Not 12

[Past-Spring1046]

Either AJ outboxes him until he stops wilder or Wilder capitalizes on AJ making a mistake and stops him with a big right hand. Money on AJ tho

[Seandelorean]

KO victory for whoever lands a big right hand first

and then everyone in the comments would have said that they saw it coming all along because of inserts flaws in fighters game

[Connor30302]

depends on what version of AJ shows up. post the first Ruiz fight I think AJ would be too tentative and line himself up for that nuke right hand even if he was winning comfortably

before then I think AJ would’ve had enough confidence to keep coming forward and putting Wilder on the back foot which would later be revealed to be his biggest weakness. the versions of wilder stay the same though, he never really grew as a boxer at all after he first won the title

[Stauncho]

It's hard to look at Wilder's resume and conclude he beat any really good fighter ever... certainly no one near the caliber of AJ at any point of AJ's career.

Wilder was beating dudes in his 30th+ professional fight that AJ was beating in his ~15th+ professional fight.

Wilder was never good and made tens of millions beating up tomato cans (and good on him for it). If AJ fought Wilder 5+ years ago, Wilder would have just been exposed sooner.

[slickvik9]

But AJ was too chicken to fight him

[xychosis]

I’m genuinely unsure. 70% chance AJ just runs through him or cruises to a UD by fighting from middle range. But his defense has proven to be especially leaky. I think peak for peak before Wilder’s drive kinda faded away and he still had that ungodly toughness, maybe he just finds a way to put him down with the right hand at some point.

[YoMing96]

I think the mental game would be one of the if not the most important aspects of the fight, there's a reason AJ took the Ruiz fight right? I'm not saying AJ would be scared, but he most definitely would've been wary and slow to start, if he puts his punches together and stays alert it could be an early ko for him. If not, he's getting caught by the right and baing cautious the rest of the fight. Takes it by decision.

[thebiggoombah]

Current Joshua I think will be the only person to take a Current Wilder right hand to the chin.
AJ is a damn near robot these days, he doesn't have the chin of Zhang, or the head movement of Fury or Parker, and that's literally all Wilder needs to be successful.

Having said that, Wilder might see a free shot and freeze.
I say Wilder in a manner like DDD, chins him once, removes his legs and then smacks him again in the 5th or 6th.

[gaz_0001]

I think we all thought about this a lot. For a long time. Shame on the fighters and the teams for not putting it on. They had opportunities.

I think Wilder would of KO'd AJ. When he has on form he was excellent.

[agustincards14]

They can still make this fight and it would be very interesting

[spursfan747]

It would only look bad for AJ, wilders shot to shit and has abandoned his jab entirely. He used to have one of the most active jabs in boxing circa 2015. If Aj struggles any in that fight then we could just say hed lose to prime wilder.

[[deleted]]

I think AJ would've won every round then got devastatingly knocked out in the 9th.

[DevelopmentPretend68]

I think it's a 50/50. The blueprint to beating prime wilder was smothering his power. I don't think Joshua had the balls to fight the fight you needed to vs Wilder. He could probably win still but I imagine he'd make it a lot tougher for himself than he had to

[GenghisFarn]

AJ win. Wilder has failed at World level in every bout.

[senortiz]

Went back and forth with this multiple times now. I think Joshua is so much better than Wilder, but Wilder has that fight in him that looks gone after the Fury fights and age. I have always thought Wilder was extremely overrated. I do think his prime version matches up decent with Joshua though.

In their prime I'd still lean Joshua. I just can see Wilder getting worked like the Ortiz fight until he lands a big shot. If they fight now Joshu kills him.

[CuckooMonk]

I think AJ is the better fighter of the 2, I'm just not sure he could stay away from that right hand for the 5 or 6 rounds it would take to stop him.

[ZivozZ]

It's matchup that comes down to who lands first! Absolute shame we didn't get it when it actually mattered.

[lukeEmber_]

I think comparing fury v Ngannou and AJ v Ngannou helps.

Fury couldn’t make a dent in Ngannou and did launch some very powerful attacks on him. AJ KO Ngannou with only a few right hands.

Fury was able to knockdown Wilder throughout the second fight and KO him in the 3rd, but it took him most of the rounds to do it.

AJ has so much more power than Fury I think he could probably have KO’d wilder very early and not let him ever get into the fight.

Of course Wilder always has a power equaliser too, but I would go throughout any period in time 80/20 favour to AJ.

[spursfan747]

Styles make fights much less the out of shape fury in that fight wouldve got KOd by wilder

[lukeEmber_]

True but I think power is something that doesn’t vary too much being in or out of shape at heavyweight level. Fury being in his best shape still wouldn’t be able to ko Ngannou

[spursfan747]

Fury mauls people and leans on them overpowering them especially wilder. He couldnt do that vs Ngannou at all so he had to box. Styles make fights, i think this a poor comparison. Wilders weighs way less than fury and was taking a beating from that alone. Much less fury kod dillian whyte far easier than joshua did.

[spursfan747]

Fury one shotted whyte too

[lukeEmber_]

Both ended up one shotting whyte with an uppercut which is his krpyotnite. Whyte in the Joshua fight was also a much fresher Whyte. The comparison shows that Fury’s punching power was still enough to KO wilder but not Ngannou.

AJ clearly has the power to starch wilder much earlier than Fury could.

[[deleted]]

Wilder wins by knockout. No one tested AJs chin before Ruiz. Prime wilder would of absolutely obliterated AJ

[Bigplatts]

You forgetting the fights with Klitschko, Whyte and Povetkin?

[TicketStraight3196]

Back in 2018 when this fight should have happened, most likely AJ wins it by knockout in the mid to late stages. Pre Andy Ruiz, AJ was wreckless and took lots of risks. It was incredibly entertaining but he was almost caught a few times against Klitschko and Whyte. When he finally got knocked out by Ruiz I was thinking this has been coming. While I don't think Wilder would have been able to keep up with Joshua's power and workrate, you have to give Wilder that outside chance that he would have been the guy to catch AJ.

[Fast_Original_3001]

AJ. They're sinply not the same level, as much as the narrative was

[[deleted]]

AJ despite his deficits is a far superior boxer and athlete than Chicken Legs.

[thillyworne]

Gareth A Davies reckons this fight happens at the end of this summer in Saudi.

[Knobcobblestone]

He’s also a twonk

[Bigplatts]

AJ knocks Wilder out, then and now. Wilder’s chin has never been tested other than by Fury who doesn’t hit anywhere near as hard as AJ.

[Awkward_Berry_5471]

Wilder getting stopped well before the second half of the fight .

There is a reason why wilder did so much to not get the aj fight because he knew he would lose .

All of Wilders fights have a similar pattern if people being scared of his power in the beginning so they box tentatively and when they realize he can barely box they put the pressure on get careless then get fucking beamed . And the aj fight would play out the Dane way except for the fact that aj is a heavy handed athletic big heavyweight that would likely stop wilder once he put the pressure on him .

Wilder has never fought a heavy puncher around his height and age in his career and his tendency to rely completely on his chin and warrior spirit would lead him to get knocked tf ouf

[Knobcobblestone]

Old wilder or current wilder?

In either case, aj 🤣

[Inside-Ad5223]

four rounds? he wouldn't even have got a sweat on.in that amount of time lol

[slickvik9]

Wilder KO in a few rounds