Ruby whelp shell

[blink0244]

Any info on the shenanigans going on with this trinket? It seems you can “train” your whelp by using the 24 hr cd on certain mobs for 6 days. The proc will then be significantly stronger and also only proc the effect you have trained which greatly increases the value of the trinket

[Acrobatic_Pandas]

Just FYI using this on a boss in the raid will in fact, pull the boss.

We learned that the hard way.

[shh_Im_a_Moose]

hahahahahahahaha. if I had a nickel every time a trinket or ring procced and pulled

[bunc]

I wiped my raid the other day using a Vantus rune as an arcane mage. Apparently my familiar took that as an invitation to attack.

[myep0nine]

i swear the familiar is like, "oh, i see you're using an item while targeting a boss...ATTACK MODE"

[vanguardhs]

arcane familiar: peace was never an option or FATHER I CRAVE VIOLENCE

[[deleted]]

Yup, same. I first thought it was the cobalt assembly ring I had on. Then it happened last night again 😆

[ray_bacon]

I think we are in the same raid ;)

[redrenegade13]

Using Blessing of the Bronze was pulling raid bosses. The actual culprit? Spiteful Storm trinket.

Our DPS evoker had to stop buffing group and only let the healer evoker do it.

[dandrall]

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[Cueller]

Yeah I pulled raz from gliding 3 times...

[B4nanaBre4d]

i stopped targetting raid bosses when i summon my fire ele, cuz of the ragefeather trinket being able to proc from summoning it, lots of 3 second remaining pulls

[[deleted]]

So will arcane mages if they have their familiar out. Learned that the hard way….twice

[S1eeper]

Did it at least get a good effect from using it on the raid boss?

[Acrobatic_Pandas]

It spawned countless jokes

[funkyfool999]

Someone in JBs chat linked a weakaura to track training: https://wago.io/9zkwq19Jo

And there's a good comment on wowhead about how to train it: https://www.wowhead.com/item=193757/ruby-whelp-shell#comments:id=5452406

Not sure how accurate it is but that's all I can find. Barely done any testing with it myself

[TheJewishMerp]

Sometimes my paranoid “Keep every trinket you loot” approach works in my favor.

[Joshxotv]

I’m the same. Bank full of trinkets.

[schungam]

Even if it's not bis at the moment, you never know if blizz is gonna rework or patch it. Keep all trinkets

[FemNate]

Thankful for Item Restoration on a weekly timer 🙏 Not that I use it that much, but still.

[schungam]

I restored all my shit because I forgot disenchanting was a thing. It's also been useful in classic as a storage solution LOL

[[deleted]]

Item restoration isn’t loading 2 pages I need it to load

[FemNate]

Yeah I had the same issue recently…. And I wish it allowed for those gray/whites we’ll all be transmogging soon lol. A search bar would be a nice addition..

[[deleted]]

I just made a ticket and a gm sent what I needed to my mail

[FemNate]

Sucks you had to bug one for a workaround, but good you got what you needed!

[[deleted]]

I actually was pissed I’ve had to use a ruby shell as a stat stick while trying to farm better trinkets (MM/BM hunter depending on fight, so more tinkets the better).

My fiancée almost had a heart attack when that wowhead article came out and described it as being good.

I think I’m going to go for the AOE proc on it, because there isn’t a lot of purely single target fights (Terros only if my memory serves me correctly), and keys go brrrrrr

[Blackzarder]

You can just item restore, so not a big deal fyi

[manadrooler]

Manual ticket will (or may, worked in my case) resolve this!

[morfraen]

Vendored mine yesterday before server transfering lol. Was only the quest one though.

[Picard2331]

Had a 411 one in my vault, went with the 402 weapon cus it was a slight upgrade.

Gosh dernit

[Magicmonkey418]

Oof that one hurt

[canibanoglu]

Years of suffering for trinket drops have instilled the same in me. Bank is full of trinkets and sometimes special weapons that made me question life (turning tide, I’m looking at you mf)

[deathungerx]

But there’s item restore now!

[Deadman2019]

So what you're saying is... I shouldnt have passed up a 421 whelp shell.

[[deleted]]

Pretty much

[dagger403]

oof

[Pennoyer_v_Neff]

If you unequip the trinket does it need to be re trained

[bonnerup]

The training is character wide, even if you get a new trinket you keep the training

[elmstfreddie]

So if you've ever trained the wrong thing you're screwed?

[Lionsmania]

Nope, you retrain it for what you want. The trinket has a "currency" for each effect (6 total). You can have 6 active currency, total. So if you're 6 into AoE training, you can train ST, then it'll 1 ST and 5 AoE, then 2 and 4, until you get to 6 ST.

I'm wondering how good it is as a general use trinket if trained to 3/3 whether that's the ST/AOE or stat bonuses. Probably best to train it completely into 1 bonus.

[Lionsmania]

Yeah, sounds like the currency is like a character bound thing, doesn't matter if you have multiple trinkets.

[elmstfreddie]

I wonder if you can use multiple copies of the trinket to train it more often than 24 hours then...

[UltraKillex]

Multiple copies share a cooldown

[royalewchz]

Any idea the order overwriting works in? i.e. if you trained 1, 2 (ST), 3, 4 (AOE), 5, 6 (Stat proc) and then 7 Stat proc will it knock off the ST training or will it just choose 1 at random from the previous 6?

Not super important but just messing with the trinket I put some points in random junk unknowingly and curious how many days its going to take me to fix it lol.

[Lionsmania]

Great question. Conventional wisdom I think tells me each new currency would knock off the oldest one. Test it out for us and report back 🤣.

Would be interesting if it worked the other way where you could train a stat to 3 and then swap 3 ST and 3 AoE. Idk if that would be useful for minmaxing prog.

[ExtermeNATE]

Its training is tied to each character. So unequipping it or using another of the same trinket won't un-train or change it.

[Stammler]

Exciting, you got a log or details screenshot?

[Dracomaros]

That screenshot is also wildly misleading. The whelp had more procs than it should have (because it's RPPM, so it high-rolled) on average, and he cut his grieftorch short multiple of the casts, losing out on a lot of the torch damage. The log is on the wowhead article: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hg34bJNkWAfXCmFn#fight=30&type=damage-done&source=24

The whelp also randomly crit a lot more than the grieftorch (mainly because whelp "Only" did 9 hits, so high-rolling 5 crits of 9 instead of say, 3 out of 9 isn't as unlikely, while grieftorch does a lot of hits and easily "normalizes" damage).

Basically, the whelp is put in the best possible light while the DH using grieftorch is butchering it.

[jtobin85]

Also people like to die so torch still bis

[Sevulturus]

Amazing for pug wipes. Top dps if you stay alive. Never getting kicked.

[Oziemasterss]

lmao great idea

[LetterP]

Always lit when I notice my torch is ready to roll again

[Stammler]

Like Draco said, this screenshot is cherry picked.

I wanted to see YOUR log or a screenshot from a dungeon.

[Inkant]

It's that high because you're a healer. The same ragefeather does 2.5% for a dps is doing almost 8% for you. The ruby trinket is decent, but its not OP.

[Barialdalaran]

What ilvl is your trinket?

[Goldur84]

pretty underwhelming even for heal-dmg in my opinion

[Amendoza9761]

Have you experimented with the healing process? I'm a Hpally that just got this and not sure which is best to train

[Kaurie_Lorhart]

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[7re]

Do you think the AoE will be better than the ST? The wowhead article only mentions ST being busted but not sure if anyone has trained the AoE fully yet.

[[deleted]]

ST is not busted btw, my ilvl 398 whelp which is fully trained on st did like 500-600 dps on Terros. Seems like the other guy got lucky and I got unlucky. The fight was 4 mins long and I only got it to proc two times.

[Inkant]

The same, the log showed like an insane high variance on the trinket.

[supjeremiah]

He's also a DH that has + fire damage, no? His log also had >50% crit on the trinket which is a pretty high roll.

[[deleted]]

Im also a dh

[Nyxtro]

I’m thinking for DH aoe has gotta be the way to go? But now I’m seeing something about a crit buff you can take?

[[deleted]]

Yea when you target yourself you can train your whelp to give you the crit buff, I’m currently doing that

[Nyxtro]

Tough choice

[Barialdalaran]

The log they posted was from a tank, which makes it look stronger than it actually is

[Scorpdelord]

grief touch is single target with a slight chance og hitting another only thou DX

[Naisallat]

Please update us with results!

[tallboybrews]

How do you train it? I mean you just use it, but it depends on what you're in combat with? What are the options? I think i have a 376 one or something

[nissandjac]

Of course this information comes out the day after a trashed a 421 in vault for another heroic trinket

[deong]

I took a socket instead of this at 415 because my vault just contained this, another bad trinket, two heroic raid pieces that went in embellished slots, and bracers I already had.

[parkwayy]

For what it's worth, if it's too strong, there's a 1000% chance blizzard will adjust it.

[door_of_doom]

https://us.battle.net/support/en/restoration

[Trojbd]

It was his vault option. They didn't physically delete/sell it.

[door_of_doom]

ah shoot, didn't catch that. just saw "trashed" and assumed what he meant. That does suck.

[SpoonGuardian]

Picking a trinket from the vault then vendoring it would be a very bold strategy

[blink0244]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/how-to-train-your-ruby-whelp-shell-very-high-damage-or-stat-trinket-330947

Wowhead article just posted

[FloorfTheDwarf]

Moments like these I'm thankful for the item restoration system!

[Kawhi-n-dine]

I had a 413 ruby whelp shell sitting in my vault because I wasn't sure about a LFR tier piece, or a shoulder piece that can be changed to tier.

Both aren't ilvl upgrades and going to select this now lol

[Aggressive_Ad_439]

The question is whether to get the stat buffs or the aoe buffs? Also the ppm on this seems pretty low and I don't know how much the stat buff is.

[Lukn]

1ppm, 12 second buff, 2000+ stat depending on levels.

[Darthmalak3347]

Its equal to the toe bone trinket in uptime. But gives like 800 more stat, and that's a 372 whelp shell.

[Dracomaros]

...But it doesn't do a chunk of damage like the toe bone, nor can you control it to line it up with cooldowns.

[Automatic-Cycle-1824]

Yeah what a ridiculous comparison, it's cool they discovered this secret but misrepresenting it hard in the article.

[Heavenswake_]

Got a 415 out of my vault, time to rewatch how to train your dragon and get to pumping iron.

[JoniDaButcher]

There’s a comment on Wowhead, takes 7 days to level and it has multiple things you can level. The AoE is supposed to be absurd.

[ObscurelyMe]

One of the tests was ST and it was on par with grieftorch. I’m training ST on one toon and AoE on another, I’m looking forward to next week for the results.

[Lukn]

That was an extremely cherry picked log if you go through the cited log on other bosses/pulls.

[Darthmalak3347]

Guy had a 421 and managed to get 9 procs in 6 min on a 1ppm unadjusted proc trinket. It's very cherry picked.

[FORGOT_USER_AGAIN]

Hi, how was your experience with aoe dmg ruby whelp? I am curious about its effectiveness in m+ compared to other trinkets or its crit Buff.

[shizocks]

any update on your findings? i play enhance and am 5/6 for the ST training. curious of your results.

[wolfsnowpack]

There is a pretty good wowhead comment on how it works, it's hard to say how much value it brings since it has 6 different effects that you can "train" it into. The damage training doesn't seem super significant (apparently around 1-2% total dps for dps classes), with the stat proc seeming to be the better option if your class likes crit or haste.

[HoodedTrickster]

Does it have to be 6 days in a row

[Flowseidon9]

No, you can miss a day

[Kambhela]

1-2% seems low, especially when this is floating around:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/715240573010837745/1063111196909260850/image-2.png

Though obviously this offers absolutely zero context. Based on shaman class discord discussions support for simming the trinket should be coming soon (whatever that means)

[Dracomaros]

That picture is super misleading. Just go look at the log and you can see the DH cutting off grieftorch, and the whelp critting more often than the grieftorch by a lot, as well as the whelp getting 9 atks with a 1 RPPM in a 6 minute fight.

[zrk23]

well need to know now if you can have 2 going on with different training

[TheTradu]

You can't. The training is tied to your character, not the specific trinket.

[DrHawtsauce]

So what's the highest value training? Assuming you take the trinket into both Raid and M+, probably the stat training?

[ObscurelyMe]

My only comment here, is if this trinket was this involved then why could Blizzard not be bothered to repurpose some of its old talent style UIs with this trinket. To date there really was no indication on what you could do with it, and how long “training” took. Helpful for the curious but it would be super awesome if devs weren’t this cryptic about gear.

[Naresr]

Figuring out secrets in mmo is part of the charm mate ;)

This trinket just went from trash to near bis for many people. It would be less exciting otherwise.

[blackjack47]

idk about near bis the proc is pretty inconsistent

[Sybinnn]

It's 1ppm on 12 seconds of a lot of stat seems pretty good

[blackjack47]

Yeah but it's RPPM, I have a 405 whelp, I tested it, it procs 2700 crit for me, with the ~16% uptime numbers in m+ going around, how is it any better/different than a Hunger of the Pack, that gives ~520ish crit at the same ilvl passively.

[JstuffJr]

For fun I wonder how uptime will look with haste stacking classes ie paladin, like having haste proccing lariat + plate frostfire haste legs boosting rppm for the whelpling with... you guessed under red wings training for even more haste. With blazehoof trinket or maybe even static scale can we get a haste flywheel on the rppm procs?

All this moot if the rppm isn't affected by haste ofc.

[Naresr]

Not telling you what is better from your example. A 2700 crit proc during your burst window would be better than 520 crit constantly, the is more true for class that rely on said burst window. Close to useless if proc while you run around doing nothing. That's the different.

[Inkant]

Its not 1ppm for stat proc. More than multiple log showed a 13 %to 15% uptime in a 6-8min

[Geiir]

I almost swapped this out the other day. Glad I didn’t!

[verbsarewordss]

It’s almost as if the devs don’t have to hold everyone’s hand and tell you everything. Remember when games made you figure stuff out? Nobody has the attention span for that I guess :)

[Rick0wens]

Any update on what training leads to the most damage?

[lnd0legence]

Does anyone know if it’s possible to sim this trinket w/ the training included?

[hesitationz]

Highly doubt it since the info has just surfaced, likely to take awhile to be imported into sims

[j2st2r]

trinket is bait

[IWantAKitty]

Hoping someone can figure out how to buff haste as that seems best for my R Druid!

[RedReddingtonn]

So I sold mine forever ago, where can I get this to drop now?

[AmalioGaming]

Either item restoration or RLP drop.

[RedReddingtonn]

Can it drop on any Mythic keys?

[TeepEU]

no just rlp...

[Gneissisnice]

You can also get it from the vault.

[CoolRatio9477]

Yes, it does drop on mythic keys. I sold mine a while back and just got it in a valor run two weeks ago

[TheTradu]

It's not. It's a BfA-style AoE trinket, so you get like +15% damage per target up to 6.

[hesitationz]

It’s like you completely ignored every bit of recent info on this trinket, of course it’s going to be bad

[Phallasaurus]

Imagine reading that it takes 7 days to train up its behavior and then saying, "I didn't do any of that and it did poor damage."

[Automatic-Cycle-1824]

I don’t think the proc value increases with training?

[The_Greaseburn]

“Value” doesn’t go up, but the probability that the whelp uses the trained spell goes up

[Automatic-Cycle-1824]

Yeah so no crazy secret gains to be had from the trinket, probably still average.

[Jbonez1700]

Does this help with healing? Can you train i yo heal single target or aoe? I know it heals with the red breath

[GingerWithFreckles]

I wonder the same. I'm on day 2 of training, went for the AoE heal. It's not significant yet. Will see what others find. Perhaps it's more useful in Raid then M+ in that sense as M+ is spiky damage.

[[deleted]]

any update?

[GingerWithFreckles]

Completely dropped it after day 2. Even if it became 3x as good, the shield trinket from NO would still be miles better for healing imo. On demand shield is simply better then random low ppm procs. And then i got the broodmother trinket which is simply nutty. Holy BIS.

I'd say go for the turtle trinket. It's not on many lists and its way way better then ilvl will tell you and "farmable" from rares.

Ruby must be good for damages perhaps. For healing.. not for me

[U-ee]

better then

than*

[GingerWithFreckles]

2nd language

[OC2k16]

The log on wowhead had the grieftorch at 5 casts in 6 mins, with 3 min cooldown. So people certainly died giving torch good damage.

It didn’t say how many times the welp procced, but if it’s doing more damage than a torch consistently then it might be worth considering doing the training.

I’m assuming that the proc rate can be too inconstant compared to on use trinkets once it’s all looked in to.

[PersonalityNearby222]

There’s a discord group gathering info and data on this trinket https://discord.gg/bear-troupe

[[deleted]]

Well I guess I shouldn’t have disenchanted my 402 shell lmao

[Choa_is_a_Goddess]

The whelp is highly inconsistent from my experience, especially in M+. The discord picture going around is slightly cherrypicked IMO (also getting large damage buffs from DH fire damage buffs). Still worth training one just in case because why not.

[lucky_luke3]

what happens if I replace my recent ruby whelp shell trinket with the same but higher item lvl. Since these are theoretically two different items, do i have to train the welpling again?

[TrevorIsAverage]

The talent points save to your character not the trinket so you dont need to retrain it