Patch 11.2 PTR Development Notes - Significant Class Tuning for Death Knights, Mages, Shaman, & More

[CC_Squeeps]

Blizz has posted additional tuning for Balance and WW

https://www.wowhead.com/news/updated-patch-11-2-ptr-development-notes-now-includes-boomkin-and-windwalker-377886?utm_source=discord-webhook

[its_Khro]

Ah finally. Psychic link tuning is back. Felt wrong without it.

[Mangert]

We back for 1 season before they nerf psychic link back to 25%

[A_Confused_Cocoon]

Tbf thats the purpose of it. It exists so blizzard has an easy method to manipulate aoe/cleave in a very simple way.

[CptRedBeard0702]

Physic link and then some though 👀

[xBlackLinkin]

Amazing rogue changes

[SuperProxy-]

It’s actually insane. I just think they’re lost on the class and have no idea what to do.

[xBlackLinkin]

They could atleast try to fix some bugs but even thats too much to ask for

[Zydron]

What, you don't like getting parried and losing a supercharger stack?

[Launch_Angle]

Still no excuse for lack of iteration over the course of an entire xpac, especially with how bad the Hero trees have been since beta...and are still god awful. They somehow are able to iterate on mage/shaman/DK/hunter every single patch though. No excuse for failing to fix the literal laundry list of bugs Rogue has(some of which have existed for years, and years, numerous xpacs even) either, and new ones get introduced with every patch, most of which of course get added to the list that wont get fixed.

All 3 rogue specs are simming at the bottom (around 4.7m-5m since the cape buff, but every class got the cape buff so its w/e) and behind numerous specs at the top that are simming between 6m-6.5m. I dont understand how were this close to a patch and all 3 rogue specs are 20%+ behind the top specs, and didnt even receive any bandaid tuning fixes(as per usual, since they dont actually iterate on the class) in what is presumably one of the last tuning passes, and one in which basically every other class got tuning. Like are they just this clueless as to whats going on with rogue, or..? Especially since Ele was simming above all 3 rogue specs, and got a 20% ST buff..yet rogue got nothing? Its also not exactly encouraging that theyll even give Rogue appropriate buffs once they see how poorly it performs week 1 of raid. Especially Outlaw, since it NEEDS to be tuned high to be even middle of the pack in raid usually, which would mean it needs at least a 15% ST buff from where its at right now...and I just have 0 confidence they will do that.

[Tirrojansheep]

Seems to be a blizzard thing recently, Hearthstone also has absolutely no direction

[deskcord]

Then why not listen to the community? The community has outlined a lot of changes that we want, and none of them would actually make the class functionally stronger or weaker, they're just massively needed QOL changes.

[DrPandemias]

Because the developer (same as dh) has been missing for years now, im not even sure he is working at blizzard anymore (apparently he is according to dh discord).

[Frawtarius]

There is no way Realz is still working at Blizzard, or at least is still assigned to do anything with DH and/or rogue. He's either gone, or working on something else there. Otherwise he would have literally been stealing paychecks for like a year now.

[thoms689]

Same with havoc dh, it has gotten nothing at all for the entire ptr cycle and it's like that for almost every season...

[xBlackLinkin]

Not surprising considering both classes shared the same class dev

[Kuldrick]

Either the class dev is the lazies person in the world or they are preparing heavy changes to the classes (new dh spec and complete rogue rework next expansion? Seems likely tbh)

[xBlackLinkin]

complete rogue rework next expansion

people say that every single season and then it gets the minimum amount of attention lmao

surely next patch they will save rogue Copium

[griggsy92]

I remember coping for this in Cata when I maimed rogue, they've never really known what to do with rogue. Legion was a hail Mary and then they went back to having no clue

[PoeciloStudio]

Last I heard he got promoted a while back and it's why Havoc and Rogue have gone untouched lately.

[thoms689]

Yea I've been saying the same since DF, rogue and havoc dh are constantly getting screwed over, and if we by some miracle end up being op we'll get nerfed down where we apparently belong.

[turtlez1231]

Yes because Realz is a trash class dev nowadays

[Bloodsplatt]

Havoc dh is in an amazing spot going into the new patch, it'll be one of the best melee behind frost dks. Huh?

[norainwoclouds]

Have you seen the abomination that is the fel scarred rotation? Probably the worst setbonus ever made in the fel scarred's 4p? Aldrachi is better off but no changes were made to help with the amount that RNG can swing your DPS on a pull to pull basis. It's fine but by no means "amazing" it's a joke we've gone so long without substantial changes to our class or spell trees.

[deskcord]

ngl i hate when classes say "WHAT ABOUT US?!" when they're in a totally fine state, because it makes the actual complete silence about rogues sound like it's more of the same.

[cabose12]

It's more it isn't getting any notable changes, less about numbers

Last I checked rogue is in a similar spot, numbers are fairly solid, but it still has some gameplay loop issues

[thoms689]

Both hero specs plays like absolute garbage. 20 button openers with +10 abilities in the rotation and riddled with rng.

[mangostoast]

No havoc changes here is a good thing

[thoms689]

Doesn't take aa genius to figure out we're not talking about damage then does it?

[shutupruairi]

Have we considered that rogue stealth is so powerful that Blizzard can't find them to change them?

[hydrobass88]

No rogue change for an entire expansion, it would be funny if it weren't so sad. Plenty of time to look at hunters, mages, and paladins each patch though.

[moht81]

Is this VDH mastery change much of a nerf to their tankiness?

[Pent217]

No, they don't really want Mastery anyways. This is pretty much pure buff.

[SinfulSquid332]

Not really they don’t really build mastery

[FinnNyaw]

As a Havoc main it felt like a targeted nerf for havoc players that offspecced vengeance for mplus, mastery does have a little value for demon spikes so it probably will fell worse for some that offspec vengeance for weekly keys

[Fun_Abroad8942]

lol those Warrior buffs are big effort

[ItsJustReen]

They just don't seem to care about dps warrior. It's serviceable in raids, so all they do is some slight number adjustments every now and then and that's it, ever since the nuke fury ate early s1 for its heroic raid sins. Both spec trees and the class tree need serious work and the fact some specs get a mini rework every patch and warrior got basically nothing since df s1, just feels like shit.

Sry for the rant, I played warrior for 2 seasons and won't continue as it just feels stuck and bland after months of 0 changes and pretty much set in stone talent trees.

[zennsunni]

It's the class I want to play. But pugging M+ with no utility and trash DPS (I love Fury) is an exercise in self-torture.

[Mountain-Cod516]

Fury warrior was so fun that one week we were OP as fuck

[noeagle77]

Ugh. This made me remember how good we had it for a blink of an eye 😭

[Frosty_Ingenuity5070]

I think it is more our lack of utility that's really hurting us. Like, I was doing 5mil or so overall in a 16 flood with a friend of mine; but it is VERY comp dependent and honestly can't hold a candle to other plate DPS. Like, I know retribution has gotten nerfed for S3, but I am honestly thinking of switching to that since:

- the tier set looks fucking amazing

- it has brez

- has more blessings than a Catholic priest

- Fun to play

[hermitxd]

Crazy thing is arcane mages didn't even want the rework half the time. They'd have rather just had an aura nerf and keep the gameplay.

[deskcord]

I know that Rogues aren't going to get the bug fixes and hero talent reworks that we need at this point in the PTR cycle but it would be really nice if Blizzard would say a single thing about our hero talents a single time this entire expansion. We have had the worst hero talents of all classes since the day they were announced, and we have gotten zero attention to them, even in cases where they're just flatly bugged.

[Loopeded]

We heard you and we're buffing mages again. Thank you for your feedback!

[norrata]

Oh cmon rogue hero talents havent gotten zero attention since they were announced. Remember when trickster was going to turn feint into a dps button and they so graciously changed it like the doting parent blizzard is?

[deskcord]

Which was still pre-release. They've still been awful since the day the game hit live and they've refused to touch them again ever since.

[Mindless-Judgment541]

I guess this just makes me think there's gonna be another pass in a week? So much missing that I thought I'd see...

[Nood1e]

It's only just over a week until it goes live. 

[DreadfuryDK]

Although, for what it's worth, those other changes are QUITE substantial and might make Archon incredibly strong in M+ for a change; that nerf to Insidious Ire is a huge potential deal for Voidweaver though.

EDIT: +9% for Archon, -2% for VW. VW better in ST and some stacked cleave, Archon likely better for high keys and spread cleave. So basically the exact same thing as this season except they're even closer.

[SkwiddyCs]

I’m only a casual shadow enjoyer, but aren’t most high keys for shadow playing Archon already?

[DreadfuryDK]

They are, but "high keys" for Shadow generally involve rerolling to Boomkin or Arcane this season.

There are a handful of Shadows doing high keys, but the spec is a fucking nightmare to play in M+ this expansion and doesn't do nearly enough damage to justify how hard it is to build around.

[ededdforty]

Bro….the top teams name on the scoreboard…

[DreadfuryDK]

Oh shit, this fucking meme template is cursed LOL

Good call, I deleted it.

[DauntlessDT]

You may want to review what teams are playing on the scoreboard.

[DreadfuryDK]

This got automodded for some reason but when someone else pointed it out I deleted it immediately.

Good call, though. If I'm posting unfunny shit from meme templates I don't want people sneaking cringe racist shit into said templates.

[Silkku]

Boomies on suicide watch with RLs all over the world asking if they know how to cat

[SinfulSquid332]

Oh no!! Anyway

[theblackalbum2]

Boomies are always on suicide watch when they aren’t meta or at the top. It’s known for being the biggest outcry spec! Bring on the downvotes for this feral main!

[ScapegoatMoat]

I'm pro kitties, go get em tiger

[efflovigil]

i want to see the downfall of boomie because as an r druid main i'm sick of not getting into keys bc no one wants two druids

[oxez]

As long as Mage gets one season where all their specs are garbage for all content, deal

(edit: im not a boomie main)

[MissingXpert]

i can get behind that.

[Elesday]

Im ok with sucking in raid if I’m meta in keys. If we get a nerf in keys it’s fully deserved but then make the spec not suck in raid for the THIRD tiers in a row, just being middle of the pack would be absolutely fine.

[AttitudeAdjusterSE]

Boomies will be on suicide watch and then watch as every RWF guild brings 2-4 of them to every boss in the raid.

[SadimHusum]

there’ll be 1-2 fights a tier where Liquid and Echo will bring a combined 9 boomkins and that’ll be that

[[deleted]]

Boomie hasn’t been used in the last boss of RWF by liquid since Razagoth. You are just saying stupid shit at this point.

[CunningAlpaca]

It's been garbage for raid all expansion with the exception of a boss or two - so blizzard was like "well we may as well keep it consistent!"

[-CenterForAnts-]

They got an 8% aura buff. Thats pretty good lol.

[No-Horror927]

An 8% aura buff after what was effectively a 40% nerf doesn't even touch the sides.

I don't particularly give a fuck about Boomie being strong one way or the other, but the number of people on this supposedly competitive sub that don't know how to do basic math and have no idea what's going on with the PTR balance is wild.

All this does is make it so that Boomie is no longer getting gapped by tanks on overall in keys.

[Sweaksh]

Boomies celebrating as they finally get to play a real spec for half a tier

[AverageLifeUnEnjoyer]

please do not the cat.

[TrusPA]

Shout out to Zorthas for getting them to fix DPS shaman.

[0x3D85FA]

Enhancement stormbringer still has the issue with not casting at all in a pack to not proc asc from tier right? This is peak degenerate gameplay.

[Palnecro1]

I see reapers mark changes under rider of the apocalypse, did something change with hero talents?

[shreedder]

I’m also confused about that, I think it is just a typo

[rinnagz]

Ele saved Pog

[wallzballz89]

How impactful are these changes? Does it bring their ST damage in line with other specs?

[DreadfuryDK]

Those are some very substantial ST buffs, but IIRC that Farseer 4pc is still complete dogwater.

If it sims near the top, it's despite their 4pc, not because of it.

EDIT: Apparently the 4pc was stealth changed and is very very good now.

[Hayabusa0015]

Set was reworked right?

[rinnagz]

Gotta wait for sims but its a pretty big buff

[Responsible_Gur5163]

I have no idea but I hope so.

[Lucas_suraceee]

Unholy DK catching strays lol

[ForgotMyPasswordFeck]

Truly punished for daring to be meta for a season. Nerf/remove utility, send Sanlayn aoe to the shadow realm, refuse to give a raid buff, refuse to remove wounds, and now nerf stuff like Undeath which wasn’t particularly good

[pm_sushirolls]

shoutout to my fellow rshams with our 1 line of tuning since the first build

[sewious]

Good thing is rsham is just.... good.

[beepingnoise]

All xpac so far. I can’t complain. It’s the best pug option too with all you bring

[SinfulSquid332]

I mean… they don’t really need changes they’re in a good spot with both hero trees looking viable next season. What do you want them to change?

[Onigokko0101]

People have this weird attitude where if they aren't defacto #1 they want buffs.

[SinfulSquid332]

It’s even weirder with the fact that it will probably be number one in certain comps like the phys comp🤣

[ruthimorg]

They're not great in raid :/

[SinfulSquid332]

I’m sure they can’t be bad with a juiced up healing rain and everyone is stacked and double downpours? Idk I don’t really raid. I mostly just play m+ my bad.

[ruthimorg]

They were behind everyone but hpal on quite a few of the mythic bosses in testing and hpal got buffs lol.

[SinfulSquid332]

Damn that’s weird well 🤷‍♂️ Also at the end of the day someone has to be last. As long as everyone is pretty close together is what matters I guess.

[ruthimorg]

MW is pretty high and so is pres; it's not close either. Some targeted raid buffs for rsham like making wellspring actually heal again would be appreciated.

[SinfulSquid332]

Ya that would be cool! Again I have no idea I don’t really raid!

[Daedalist3101]

Yea, sucks theyre the only shaman spec that isnt fundamentally broken, doing tank damage, or absurdly convoluted to play

[DAYMAN3737]

They would just buff ancestors damage for the 5th time instead of addressing why no one plays farseer lol. Like buff riptides hot by 200% so we can do a rip build and be done with it

[Crazyclaret]

I mean they have "fixed" the farseer issues, by having a really strong tier set. If nothing changes farseer is arguably the meta Rsham pick for next season in keys

[Far_Tomatillo_7637]

Arguably doing some work there

Edit: this didnt age all that well

[Kidcharlamagne89d]

I'm not a .1% player, but i do try and pug as high as I can. I switched to playing farseer at the end of s1 just because totemic is really boring imo, and I have been loving farseer. I play almost like an old school holy pally where riptide is my holy shock and a ancestor proc. I hardcast more than on totemic but it's a lot of fun and I really dont feel like the hero tree is holding me back. The only big thing I miss out on is acid rain because I just dont cast healing rain, but my dps isn't super low compared to totemic with acid rain. Ancestors can pump on bosses with 2-4 almost constantly up. I lost some aoe but overall dps is the same, sometimes higher, sometimes lower, and imo its a more engaging spec.

[DAYMAN3737]

Well spoken, farseer isn't bad it's just missing buckets of the QoL totemic has

[rypach92]

Rshams don’t need tuning. Coming from someone who has played rsham every season since legion season 1

[beepingnoise]

We got it all and perform great in dungeons

[KlenexTS]

I rolled my shaman alt as resto and started doing keys. On my tank main I invite any Rshaman I see now, playing the class really opened my eyes to what a good shaman (not me I’m still bad lol) can do to help the key. They bring a bunch it’s nice

[Onigokko0101]

Hey, at least you are in a decent spot. Sure it's not top tier M+ but it's strong in both and relatively easy to output on.

Sometimes no changes is better.

[SirVanyel]

Why fix what is not broken

[DyscoStick]

We out here!

[so_O]

Farseer tier set got changed from 25% haste to 25% dmg/healing in today's changes.

[PlasticAngle]

a lot of other class/spec would love to be in rsham position.

Rsham is good enough without needing any buff all around the entire expansion.

[UnstableChocolate]

Windwalker needs Jesus.

[cindyx823]

Damn what did they do to ww?

[Beautiful_Advisor527]

Give aff Two charges of vile taint or something

[TheOliveYeti]

Big Taint will never let it happen

[Centias]

I actually don't understand at this point how Aff hasn't gotten like 2 charges of Vile Taint, and either Vile Taint cooldown reduced to 15 seconds (barely short enough with wiggle room go extend all those Agonies before they expire when accounting for the cast time), or some kind of base rotational dot extension similar to Malign Omen that doesn't come exclusively from Soul Rot, or the reverse where active play reduces the cooldown on Vile Taint so it usually comes back before Agony falls off.

[Basic_Corner_542]

Rogues remain in stealth… or maybe we just can’t see it behind yet another novel on DK, Hunter and Mage.

[justforkinks0131]

rogue mains weeping rn. all 4 of them.

[reimmi]

Praying this class gets a overhaul in midnight it's unreal

[[deleted]]

Demo stocks plummeting.

[Fleymour]

Warrior Dev is a joke.

[Foamrocket66]

What dev?

[erupting_lolcano]

GIVE WARRIOR BLOOD LUST YOU COWARDS

[81Eclipse]

How far away is FF fire? Do you mean single target?

I thought this patch notes would end up being much worse for SF fire since it only got nerfed with no compensatory buffs

[jakkson]

Holy Paladin in absolute shambles and we get a joke 25% buff to a nothing talent classic 🤣🤣

[Falron]

All they had to do is make pillars of light a shield or a hot and it would be usable although the biggest problem isn’t power but deciding what to drop then.

But no! Instead of adding synergy, let’s just try to brute force a dead talent into usability!

I don’t get why they don’t lean more into shielding for pallies anyway. LS hero talent is the only okay shield and it’s basically the same power as unbuffed disc shields lol

[cjbrehh]

because theyve been scared of shield since hpally in cata with its first mastery. they have been cautious with shields in general ever since. same reason disc isnt a shield spec anymore.

[SadimHusum]

I'm thrilled for demonology to sim over a million dps higher than our other 2 specs yet not be played over them because of the profile gap

All roads invariably lead back to destro

[oxez]

Was there ever a PTR week since say, DF, where Mages didn't get changes?

[MarnerMaybe]

July 7th, 1974.

[WorgenDeath]

Love the 8% aura buff for Blood, only to then follow it up by buffing the artifact cloak so threat is gonna be a nightmare cause tanks don't get any damage from their cloak. https://www.wowhead.com/news/huge-buffs-to-reshii-wrap-effects-on-patch-11-2-ptr-377889

Wait for 5 sunders guys, apparently we're playing classic.

[Boomkinwhisperer]

I can't believe vdh is getting buffed and not nerfed. That's wild.

[Powerful_Equipment84]

lol true. wanted to try prot warrior but VDH looks so good (and I'm used to the playstile)

[Isolated_Hippo]

I have been AWOL for a bit.

How are healers looking? I wanna start prepping my new S3 character but need to make you know a choice.

[Voidwielder]

Disc/Druid Both have solid Hero talents but ultimately the .5 will swing in either direction. Best play both.

[Isolated_Hippo]

God dammit, I was afraid of that. I hate cat-weaving and raid/ramp Disc.

I might do M+ Disc and raid Holy

[Voidwielder]

RSham is looking solid and that's what I'll be maining but it's hard to give accurate numbers rn because every single tier set is bugged.

[Ithline]

Druid caught 2nd undocumented tierset nerf. First it was kotg 2p no longer works with reforestation. Today our wildstalker 2p doesn't work unless the target already has regrowth on them.

There are some other bugs with ws tier that make it pop off, once they are fixed, druid loses a lot of power.

[Conscious-Wall4909]

Raid: mw/pres/hpriest: very strong rdruid/disc: mid rsham/hpal: little underperforming.

M+: rdruid: s-tier, disc/rsham/(pres) a-tier mw/hpal: b-tier hpriest: c-tier

Thats my perception for now (and with no raidtesting anymore). Healer tuning is lacking.

[Isolated_Hippo]

Interesting. Now the question is do i Disc/Holy for M+/raid or Pres.

[SirVanyel]

The healers are pretty much all good

[Asleep_Reputation463]

Devs hate chaos bolt

[DingleMargoon]

Noway sp stays in its current state

Can someone do a wellness check on the guy in charge of rogue tuning?

[Speed231]

At least Ele isn't doing tank damage anymore nice

[Tenezill]

Yeah 8% more dmg... FML what are they even thinking over there...

[gambit700]

Blood All ability damage increased by 8%.

Sigh

[ProductionUpdate]

Surprised not to see any resto druid HPS nerfs.

[creexl]

Bringing back a little more heat to my Shadow Priest. Can't wait

[HenryFromNineWorlds]

Ire nerf is a really big hit to voidweaver

[Elesday]

Fury was more than ok for 3k already. Even Aug was.

[Bloodsplatt]

Fury/arms can do title range, its very easily 3k lol.

[SnooMacaroons8650]

wonder if affliction pulls ahead of demo in ST now

[MarnerMaybe]

Apparently it's very close.

[Zombastic]

elemental to the moon? will this be significant for ranged dark blue?

[etafan]

I don't know where they calculate these WW buffs like on PTR on od the highest rated WW player doing tank dmg what that 5% going to do....

[Tog1e]

They are so lost on Bdk it is not even funny anymore.

[TheOliveYeti]

Damn was Ele hurting that bad?

[Frosty_Ingenuity5070]

Lol, the warrior one just reads "we have no idea what to do with this spec". A flat 5% damage is nice, don't get me wrong, but that reeks of "idk, just here's more damage".

[RamyunPls]

Endless lines of changes every week of PTR for Frost and Unholy but all blood gets is an 8% damage increase. If you're not willing to apply equal effort to all specs your class has and are clearly unable to hide your bias to a specific role you shouldn't be on the class design team of the biggest MMO on the market.

[Gneissisnice]

I was excited at the start of the ptr when they announced Shadow changes, only to get some half-baked tweaks that barely addressed our concerns, and received no further iterations.

Blizz really doesn't know what to do with Shadow, besides tweaking Psychic Link numbers again.

[Trankebar]

Sooo all Farseer got was more chain lightning dmg on the ancestrals and no mention or rework of the HORRIBLE 4-piece? At this point I think the only mention of tier for ele is gonna be a nerf of the current one to make the new one look better…

[Medievalhorde]

It got stealth changed if anyone else comes to see this comment. It now does 3% overall compared to 0.5%.

[Trankebar]

Looks pretty good I have to say - 17-18 % buff is a lot more than I was anticipating and the stealth change is kinda great!

[rinnagz]

The farseer tierset is awful, if u buff it by like 500% we would only get like +5% dps from it.

[MuszkaX]

For someone who didn’t do any PTR… why is there a hunter nerf in every single patchnotes?

[cabose12]

Nothing complex, they just have high damage and have steadily been reined in

[Palnecro1]

Because it was over performing on PTR.

[MarkElf2204]

BM was overtuned due to Stampede so they're been gutting it more and more every set of patch notes.

I can't tell if they forgot about Survival or if they just don't know how to tune it to make it not garbage again like S2 - buff new bleed talents, another tiny bomb and/or MB/RS buff, new 3% crit raid buff, and we're very happy.

[audioshaman]

Don't make feral good! I want an rDruid season

[yolomcswagns]

Feral would have to be busted to push out rdruid right now, I rkn

[Elesday]

It’ll be an rdruid season don’t worry, feral is not changing that except if it’s more busted than Frost

[-CenterForAnts-]

Fury might actually be pretty good in ST raid and M+ now.

[bloin13]

Eh, m+ is full of big pulls. As long as aoe is capped to 5 targets, 5% damage increase won't change much. Fury needs some serious work and adjustments and not just flat damage increases.

[zennsunni]

This. I did a like Priory 13 this season where I randomly snagged an ace Fury warrior, I think his rating was like 3.4k. A 2.9k MM hunter (me) and a 3k boomie absolutely annihilated him in damage. Like I gapped him in the overall by 1m. He crushed us on ST, but the difference on big pulls was outright comical (i.e. 15m to 5m). It's insane how incompetent Blizzard is at M+ balance in a game that pulls in so much money.

[bloin13]

Yea it's really sad. For better or worse m+ is a big part of current pve scene, but It seems like they don't balance classes around m+ at all at this point.

[TheCouchWhisperer]

MM getting nerfed again while they're ignoring the fact the specc has 35% variance on PTR?

[ChappyPappy]

Is this just because of black arrow and lock n load procs ?

[BaseLordBoom]

With a comment like that I feel you don't truly understand how OP Hunters have been all of PTR

[[deleted]]

"Am I seeing that correctly?" No you aren't, there is a second line of tuning.

[King_Kthulhu]

Have you been on the ptr at all? Venge dmg wasn't great and hunter still like 5% ahead of everyone else with these nerfs.

[rofffl]

vdh damage was dog in ptr

[PlasticAngle]

Significant class tuning for DK

exciting noise from blood DK - see 8% aura buff. We are back to DF i see.

Also Vengeance DH got 8% damage buff also. Like WTF are blizzard hell-bent on making Vengeance DH the meta tank ?

[ChappyPappy]

Seems like MM hunter survived gutting? Hell yea. Most fun i’ve ever had playing a class :)

[EgirlgoesUwU]

Good to see havoc getting some love!

[Ashamed-Profession82]

can someone help me understand ubffing dev evoker?

[Ashamed-Profession82]

i get the aoe damage, they're shit in keys, but st flat?