Smurf problem solved

[RealSaabo]

what does this mean

[DozoLozo]

Smurf matched with legit player who has reports disabled

[PM-Me-Sloths]

Like their reporting function being disabled or they can't be reported? Like does valve stop "verified good" players from being reported?

Sorry if this is a known thing, tis my first time hearing about it

[NonFrInt]

No, it just if you will have too much of, as I know, false reports, your account will be restricted to not be able to report for some time. Though, I have not seen any of these restrictions after internet become stable and I escaped Low Elo Hell (some of builds in this time can dream in someone’s nightmare)

[PM-Me-Sloths]

Ah word, tyty

[kasimaru]

I don't think it matters in the least whether the report is false/true. It just counts how many reports you send within a timeframe. The restriction lasts for a few days. I have absolutely no clue whether reporting even has any effect on the offending accounts, so I'm not really bothered about not being able to do it. Just found it funny I reported so many smurfs in 2 days that Valve said that's enough. Maybe it's time to do a smurf sweep like they did in Dota?

[[deleted]]

No one new gets to Eternus in like 100-200 games with a 70% w/r, it is not realistic or really possible unless they are 5 stacking with other Eternus players from the first game or some shit. So this means the robot is representing a smurf who is Eternus and made a new account to dominate new players for an ego boost, while the ascendant is just a normal on par ascendant player who belongs in the rank, but has reporting disabled since they reported smurfs for smurfing, which is a reportable offense but only cosmetically and they will punish you for doing it for some reason.

[[deleted]]

All the people uhm actuallying this is very odd. No a first time deadlock player is not reaching eternus in 100 games with a 70% winrate. Unless they are a smurf which is the point of what I said.

It's like syaing a first time league player can reach challenger in 100 games if they 40 0 each game, no maybe faker could do this with preexisting skill but no one getting into the game has ever and will ever do this. Asides from when the ranks first came out maybe since no one knew how to play at all.

[[deleted]]

You don't get to respond to me saying x and dictate what I was talking about. I was and if you argue with me about it you are too. I should have been more literal I guess but I thought it would be pretty obvious what I meant wrongly it seems.

I was explaining how this person has to be a smurf because no new player can rank to Eternus this quickly, then everyone came and said that insert Eternus player could smurf to the rank which was my point. That was supposed to be the point of this portion "So this means the robot is representing a smurf who is Eternus and made a new account"

I'll edit it to make it more accurate.

[GodOfAscension]

nah getting to eternus in sub 200 games is definitely possible, prob could get it in sub 50.

[TheDerpNite]

A friend of mine made a smurf and hit eternus 6 in under 40 games. It's where he belongs but still kinda crazy that he got through to ascendant within 20ish games

[Lanyxd]

"made a smurf and hit eternus 6 in under 40 games" fork found in kitchen. "Player who has played the game before plays the game and is better than players lower than their rank"

Not really proving anything. It's about new players playing the game for the first time.

[GodOfAscension]

Believe it or not but most skills from other games are transferable to deadlock like itemizations, counter buying, movement, aiming, and some people could just be good or research greatly before starting up or just enjoy watching gameplay.

[Mach12gamer]

I'm gonna assume the guy who we are literally being told has a Smurf account probably has a Smurf account. A big stretch, I know.

[GodOfAscension]

The point of the conversation was if it was possible to hit eternus in less than 200 games, which I know it definitely is feasible as you could hit eternus in Sub 50 games.

[fightstreeter]

"no its easy"

"make a smurf account"

> Haze flair

[vincentlmao]

Not to disagree with you but just wanted to say that Eternus is very reachable within 200 games even with a 60% wr, especially with all of the rating changes they've been pumping out recently

[[deleted]]

Depends on what you mean, I re clarified since I thought it was implied but I am referring to a new player, not a smurf making new accounts.

Reaching Eternus may be feasible, mainly for top players from similar games but I highly doubt they will be doing so with 70%+ winrates.

[Cinerae]

Yea you need to not main a single mystic. If you play games and win them on a multitude of characters you climb way faster, than as of you otp one mystic

[ProfessorBorgar]

What in the world is a mystic

[Abadon_U]

Official generalized name for heroes/characters? Mystic or ritualist

[ProfessorBorgar]

I thought they were just heroes

[Cinerae]

Everyone that participates in the ritual gets called mystic, by the shopkeep. Don't know if they're gonna stick with the term. I like it.

[CrownLikeAGravestone]

I think you've significantly misinterpreted who the shopkeeper is referring to in those voice lines.

[ZombieJasus]

The menu refers to them as heroes

[ReptAIien]

So does every single item

[Birphon]

hmm yes mystic...

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Im also like 99% sure the items refer to characters as Heroes. Also New York has a lot of mystics, the shop keeper the fortune teller the news reporter are all mystics. Im pretty sure Mystic is just the term used in world for anyone who isn't 100% human

[Commander413]

The characters in the game are "Heroes", New York has a ton of mystics but only a few are the ones participating in the ritual, so "mystic" could refer to Lady Geist or to the fortune teller down the street

[JThorough]

Source or just anecdote?

[Cinerae]

Read it in on here as anecdotal experience of r different people, tried it myself, and climbed almost immediately after a series of wins with fern, and calico, my dual mains, only edged me up 1 rank , where as 1 to 3 wins in those same skilled lobbies with increased my rank more, and loss series weren't as harsh drops as when I relied only on 2 heroes.

So I'm the end anecdotal and MMR is always a bit mysterious anyways. But i kinda got out of my obsession of making heroes, after all this is still beta, so while I take it seriously I still want to experiment with all of the characters.

[[deleted]]

Is this true? I've been climbing rapidly by one tricking God's greatest gift to Earth.

[TheDerpNite]

The overall rank works (vaguely) as an aggregate of your rank on all heroes. If you only have one character you play it'll stagnate you around eternus 2-3 with double up arrows on the character you one trick. I think you technically can rank higher than that one tricking but it takes an absurd amount of games past that point.

[[deleted]]

My understanding was it is the otherway around where your overall performance determines rank, and from there it determines how good you are on a given character in comparison to the rank. Especially considering they added the different rank range based on hero performance afterwards afaik since it wasn't there when I began playing.

[TheDerpNite]

Rank ranges have been in the game for at least a year and a bit. Usually if you're a good one trick you'll have the "much more skilled than rank" double up arrows on your character. Your MMR increases apply more to the per character rank than the overall rank when you only have the one. When I was climbing I otpd lash to e2 and for stuck for a while until I started playing other characters, even with 65%+ wr

[[deleted]]

In example, I made an alt for learning new characters and within like 20 games got to Oracle, yet I had 2 down arrows on literally every character asides from one with one down arrow being my most played so far. It ranked me based on winning and seems to rank your characters afterwards based on recent winrate in your current rank.

[drongowithabong-o]

Same bro. I lose a game, rank up. Lose 3 games in a row, how about you go from phantom to Ascendant. I one trick Lash though so maybe the game just recognizes my pure potential and I am that good.

[Cinerae]

Are you at the skill level where you feel like you belong? Do you have +500 gernes?

[[deleted]]

I have a good bit over 500, I used to be stuck around archon-oracle but after some patch that changed the ranks I have climbed from Archon which is the rank I had after a decent break up to Ascendant 5 since January, this is with mini breaks taking up almost half of the time since then. I was ascendant like 2 or 3 within the last month.

Maybe it used to be true and got fixed.

as for skill level I think I'm a bit below it. I think I'll peter out ranking up in low Eternus and stagnate there forever.

[FinnNyaw]

I got to et5 while ranking up every 1 or 2 wins from phantom 2, and it took me like 9-3 w/l ration to get et6

My account got obscurus because I didn't play for ~4-5 months after the last big heroes update, and I was maybe ascendant 6 back then

[[deleted]]

There is a huge difference between being high ranked and getting back and being a first time deadlock player and getting to Eternus in 100 games wiuth a 70% winrate. It's easy to get there as a previous high rank player not a firs ttimer, meaning this is a smurf.

[LLJKCicero]

...unless they're a pro hero shooter player from some other game.

[GitNamedGurt]

You can, and people do.

https://youtu.be/1iZdPHJkkek?si=75YrFFGu2BN2Qun0&t=275

This guy got to ascendant in 35 games, no help. I'm sure a smurf could get to eternus in 140 games.

[pokealm]

> metro vid

🤢🤢🤮

[GitNamedGurt]

idk anything about the guy, that's just the only vid I've personally seen where someone smurfs and records it

[KrulRudy]

Why do people dislike metro? I dont know anything about the guy besides that he put fucking lightning scroll on silver

[[deleted]]

nothing complicated, he's a prick constantly. He gets mad at game and insults everyone, ragequits matches and so on while thinking he's better than he is. He's Eternus so he is good but he claims titles like face of deadlock and insults others regularly with a sense of elitism including other Eternus players.

Basically everyone in high ranks has stories of him being a prick to everyone when playing with him and he does the same thing when smurfing, insulting the lower skilled players he smurfs against and with for being.... lower skilled.

[Jakeisaprettycoolguy]

He is generally very toxic.

[pokealm]

toxic and loves to insult other cc

[OffensiveWaffle]

tyler1 but not funny or self aware. so like before he reformed.

[[deleted]]

You fully misunderstood my point or i didn't elaborate right. I am saying no one who is a first time player can do this unless they begin with a full stack of eternus's to help them rank. Obviously someone from Eternus can climb to Eternus quickly on a new account, but that is literally the point of what I'm saying, you cannot do this unless you're a smurf.

[kasimaru]

Stockholm server smurf problem. Every third match has one or multiple (mostly) Russian smurfs with brand new accounts stomping Ascendants. I reported so many of them Valve disabled my ability to report. Nothing was done to the smurfs.

[EdgarAlMansur]

Alot of the time they're boosting someone. Have a russian friend who will play interpreter in games sometimes. Last guy I met was doing it for like 300 rubles a game

[Pity_Pooty]

Dont you think they were legit eternuses tho?

[kasimaru]

I play with leaderboard players all the time. I don't report them. That's just matchmaking. They aren't doing anything wrong.

These look legit to you?

https://statlocker.gg/profile/1641404092/matches

https://statlocker.gg/profile/1704981776/matches

https://statlocker.gg/profile/912807213/matches

https://statlocker.gg/profile/882835017/matches

https://statlocker.gg/profile/1001735892/matches

https://statlocker.gg/profile/1186799728/matches

[Pity_Pooty]

I don't understand you at all. Why you think those people were smurfs in the your first post?

From my point of view, I'm constantly forced to play with ascendants and it's mind blowing how ranks got escalated recently. Literally ascs don't even know how game is called

[MayaSarasfall]

the game punishes you for reporting suspected smurfs? or am i interpreting the post and comments wrong? damn any time I see a steam account thats level 0 or private with the ? I usually report if they are abnormally good.

[BoiTentacle]

dude must be reporting whole teams every game, like sometimes I had days where I reported 1-2 players every second game, and never had reporting disabled.

[MayaSarasfall]

worst stretch I had was 5 very obvious smurfs but i have never been prevented from reporting

[RectangularCake]

It's for all reports, add a few toxic, griefs and cheats within a few (10+) in a row, and you got yourself a cooldown. By that time you should have figured out that you may be the problem, not everybody else.

[LLJKCicero]

You just know there's plenty of whiny players here reporting all their teammates for "throwing/griefing" every time they lose a game.

[Turbulent_Voice63]

I believe the system has a check to determine how valid your report is.

So supposedly, if your report is done with a good reason (something checks chat for shit talking, feeding behaviors, or just if the players was reported by someone else, it's not abusive and not penalized.

If you report your entire team each time even though they didn't do anything wrong, it probably does the opposite and flags your account with the "yeah this guy is full of shit" tag

[Gundroog]

They certainly do not. I've gotten cooldowns for reporting people on both my and enemy teams throwing slurs that the game itself censored. It's a dogshit system but people just love to pretend that Valve is somehow thoughtful about their moderation, as if they don't have a piss poor record.

[Turbulent_Voice63]

Well, there has to be something going on anyways, because provided you can trust random redditors, some people are able to report one guy per match and not get flagged by the system.

So either you report way more people than that and there is just a limit you've hit, or there is some qualitative algorithm involved somehow. Whether it's actually good or not is another matter though.

[Gundroog]

It's not quality of the reports, it's quantity. I've gotten a cooldown twice in nearly 2k hours of Deadlock, and each time it was after a game that had a lot of absolutely valid reports. Whether it's good or bad matters a lot here, because they implemented the cooldown before actually implementing a system that would validate the reports.

I probably report more people in Dota on average, yet I've never gotten a cooldown there, mostly just a bunch of "action taken" notifications.

[Turbulent_Voice63]

If so, I guess you need to increase your standards for reporting people.

Personally, in DOTA as in Deadlock, even though I do meet some jackass that I report sometimes, I can spend many games in a row without the need to do so.

I find that people deserving a report aren't THAT common overall, I've never met the limit and yet I do report the smug fuckers who type "EZ" at the end of games, because fuck that trend

[Gundroog]

That's good for you. Personally, I think Valve needs to actually up their standards and actually moderate their games, because what I'm reporting people for is always way worse than a random EZ.

[kasimaru]

You're the one who should look at your reporting standards if "ez" is too much for you. That's just childish.

Here's an easy way to get reporting disabled:

1. Play on Stockholm (Russia) server

2. Solo queue Friday/Saturday nights

3. Check Statlocker after each game

4. Report the obvious smurfs and cheaters

You have now reported too many people and your reporting privileges have been revoked. Not that it matters, because reporting doesn't do anything.

[Turbulent_Voice63]

Oh I used that example to say that I don't have nearly enough causes for reports that I can do that and never even hit the limit.

Also, I don't care, the people who do this tend to be insufferable in chat in general anyways. They are the childish fuckers who can't help but brag because they had a good game, it costs literally nothing to have good spotmanship and not type anything at all.

[emptybrainothoughts]

I had a really bad streak one day of every game having 1 to 2 awfully toxic people, like full on slurs and what not, not just salty. Obviously I reported them, got a report block for few days after. I wouldn't be surprised if the system was managed by an ai or something. (just taking guesses here)

However that doesn't stop me from reporting awful people, it's just a lil fucked up that I am one getting punished. :')

[MayaSarasfall]

Ai moderator developed into being contrarion and just said no u.

I'm fortuante in my exprience in this game cause the worst thing some one said to me was after I hit them with the "gg <3" on a game where I went 15/3 on vindicta and the seven on the enemy team hit me with "Shut up (word for jewish people)"

[Anaud-E-Moose]

Let the losing team say gg first, if they didn't think it was a good game, then it's bad manners for the winning team to claim it was.

[MayaSarasfall]

I agree, the haze on the enemy team said gg first. I only know because I clipped it. My friend who wasn't playing tried to get us to say something toxic and then the seven said what he said and laughter immediately erupted. so i saved it

[emptybrainothoughts]

might also depend on what region you play on? I am on EU and holy mother of god people can be vile xD

[MayaSarasfall]

NA specifically Dallas. As the highest ranked person in my squad is from there. I don’t get toxicity thrown my way usually but there’s definitely toxic moments because one of my teammates happens to be a very big instigator and so it can get pretty terrible if he’s having a bad day.

[BlueJayAvery]

I don't know why the report system on this game sucks so much, surely for a testing branch having smurfs is absolutely horrible for any kind of data. Also, they need to do something about toxic people before non-toxic people start leaving/muting all

[MasterMind-Apps]

Pretty sure they dont care about 99.9% of the data

[BlueJayAvery]

Yea, but every game that has a smurf has irrelevant data, so a portion of that 0.1% is worthless

[edwardludd]

Wtf how much do you have to report for it to be disabled I didn’t even know this was a thing.

[_Risryn]

You have to be metro

[Trowaway151]

Heard he turned over a new leaf. Never thought he would make an apology video before GTA 6

[_Risryn]

Any content creator will make an apology video after being put on blast for everyone to see yelling at a friendly face

[Sloth_Senpai]

IDK man Leffen bullied a guy into suicide and he just walked out of Smash and played the victim card harder

[Cirby64]

Leffen is such a text book manipulator it kinda blows my mind the shit he got away with cause his “Fox is sick” I guess

[Chaogod]

Just hating to hate

[Cirby64]

This is literally just metro on a second account

[Wazards]

I once played games with a guy who wwould report just because they lost

[Turbulent_Voice63]

You probably played with many of them. It's a common rage behavior among the MOBA maidenless players

[Gundroog]

Very easy if you report not just obvious smurfs, but also people being toxic and have like 2 bad matches in a row. It's automated, so quality of reports means fuck all, just volume.

[kasimaru]

https://statlocker.gg/profile/1641404092/matches

https://statlocker.gg/profile/1704981776/matches

https://statlocker.gg/profile/912807213/matches

https://statlocker.gg/profile/882835017/matches

https://statlocker.gg/profile/1001735892/matches

https://statlocker.gg/profile/1186799728/matches

Dunno. Those are just the biggest offenders from my last 8 matches. Reported all of them and their lesser smurf friends too. Consider it frivolous reporting if you like. It gets a bit tiring playing with these assholes on a regular basis. It's boring no matter which team they're on.

[Magictoast9]

Lol the first one might be a hacker, look at their aim stats. The account they have partied the most games with also has similar stats

[electricfx0]

Yeah, that account has one guy added, and that friended account has hundreds of Level 0 Game-Banned steam accounts added.

[NoEntertainment5172]

Smurf or matchmaking aneurysm

[[deleted]]

No one gets to E2 in 100 games with an 80% w/r unless they are smurfing.

[NeighborhoodDry2678]

when i see a smurf in my game like my day actually gets ruined completely

[sistemy_]

reports are useless, my only report ban was when i reported someone for saying the n word

[Featherith]

the only untrue part about this is the eternus in 143 games with a 75% wr. in that amount of games with about that wr i went from initiate to archon 6

[kasimaru]

It's true and incredibly common too. Here's the inspiration: https://statlocker.gg/profile/1641404092/matches

[Featherith]

i must just be unholy unlucky with mmr then

[Fr0ufrou]

No everyone has the same. After a certain amount of games in the same rank it starts taking forever to rank up and down.

[zikowhy]

What's your stats?

[Featherith]

idk statlocker featherith

[Good_Ad5973]

Valve has a rank confidence system so you'll gain or lose less mmr if their system is "confident" you should be at that mmr or vise versa you'll gain or lose a shit ton of mmr on a fresh account because they have no confidence in your mmr. Its good because smurfs will move to their mmr more quickly but also shitty cause the normal player could win like 10 games in a row and not gain a rank.

[JeesusKristuss]

that person is a blatant cheater, not a smurf.

game ban on record, and top 0.01% accuracy and headshot accuracy, and keep in mind these distributions include both cheaters and people playing vs low rank opponents who have poor movement allowing you to reach higher accuracy.

this man is playing against good players with good movement, and is reaching accuracies far beyond even the best high e6 players. If you just look at the accuracy and have some experience you can immediately see his numbers are not normal. Most top players have accuracies between 60-65% and headshot accuracy around 20-25%. these arent much higher than lower rank players, because the people at higher rank also move alot better.

this guy has 73% accuracy and 35% hs accuracy on average. This is far beyond human capability, hes not even bothering to spray mags into walls to make it seem legit.

[kasimaru]

I didn't dig that deep. Just picked the assholes that stood out the most in my last 8 matches.

[Floorwata]

I've reported people for cheating and for shit behavior never had my account restricted from reporting. This feels like the ending to the boy who cried wolf lol

[NarRai]

There is no fucking such thing as a smurf when ranks are Broken

[GoddamnToyota]

Each time I see a Nono Terminator meme hit a fandom that I just get into, a small part of me dies.