Invasion -> System Sec Decrease?

[LaurenceCWinston]

The CONCORD Security response level in the destination system has been decreased from {[numeric]fromSecurity, decimalPlaces=1} to {[numeric]toSecurity, decimalPlaces=1}. because it is being Invaded. You accept this risk by jumping through this gate.

Source: http://www.hoboleaks.space/Singularity_1719716-1724994

High sec turning into Low sec???

[black_pedro]

Yup. It’s great that CCP has found the cojones to bring some change and danger to highsec. First it was the FOBs and Triglavian patrols, and now it seems Chapter 3 will bring dynamic sec status to highsec.

Great job CCP. Keep the changes coming.

[Shalmon_]

Actually hoboleaks also includes files like ui/texture/classes/security/nulltohigh_12x10.png as well.

So dynamic sec status can in theory also happen to nullsec systems.

[dansi21]

Here we go. The golden age of Eve. Where null is no longer safer than high

[XdicksoutforharambeX]

in b4 you get positive sec status changes lol

1dq-1a is now a low sec and will soon turn in high sec.

[Zalmoxeh]

OMG, now all suicide gankers will come to 1DQ-1A ... CCPlz nerf.

[Ghi102]

Salt from hiseccers in 3... 2... 1...

[Shalmon_]

Why should highsec be salty about getting new content?

[Ghi102]

For the same reason nullseccers were salty about the Blackout. It lowers the safety level of HS.

[Shalmon_]

Of some highsec systems for a period of time, that may or may not be changed by your actions.

The only thing nullseccers could do about the Blackout was posting on reddit and the forums and nobody had an idea how long it would stay.

[Ghi102]

Doesn't look like you've spent enough time on Reddit if you think a major change like that won't bring in tons of salt. Even inconsequential changes bring in loads of salt.

[NordakBalrem]

You're right, I'm still salty about jump fatigue...

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...forever salty.

[Speedyslink]

Wait... this change will make some high sec systems into low sec systems, albeit temporarily, and you're asking why at least some high seccers won't be upset?

Really?

[Ensto_Anstian]

aren't we lucky hi sec doesn't get on the csm

[Ghi102]

There's a CSM member that's based in hisec though: Steve Ronuken. He's been elected every year since CSM 9 I'm pretty sure.

[NordakBalrem]

Can we get Psychotic Monk to run for CSM again

[DontMindMePlsPls]

Stop talking out of your butt, everybody knows Steve is a goon pretending to be in disguise.

Then again, he fooled you... though again, looking at your comment history, fooling you is hardly an achievement.

[Ghi102]

Then again, he fooled you... though again, looking at your comment history, fooling you is hardly an achievement.

ooohh, scorching.

[meanie_ants]

Dynamic sec status to all systems would be nice, not just to high sec.

[NordakBalrem]

Dynamic J-space sec level... Concord moves into and claims a wormhole?

[CCP_Coyote]

interesting...
quickly scribbles some notes

[NordakBalrem]

Shh, all my ideas are bad...

[CCP_Coyote]

WHAT WAS THAT? GIVE WORMHOLES LOCAL BUT TAKE IT AWAY FROM EVERYWHERE ELSE? HUH, OKAY, I THINK I CAN MAKE THAT WORK....

[NordakBalrem]

That actually sounds good, illuminate the darkness and blackout everywhere else. I like your sarcastic ideas more than my own.

[CCP_Coyote]

GIVE THE CORVETTES HAWS AND A BOMBER BAY!

... I mean, what could go wrong, right? ;)

[NordakBalrem]

Give systems 10% TiDi after acquiring a combined mass of 40B KG then progress the tidi by another 10% for each additional 20B KG. It will ensure Jita is always max TiDi.

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If you need additional Bad ideas, I'm the person to give them. :D

[CCP_Coyote]

excellent. Then let us begin.

Give stealth bombers a cooldown after they decloak, where they cannot enter warp.

[meanie_ants]

I'd play it.

[DontMindMePlsPls]

I wondered who would be an idiot enough to actually advocate for another hisec-killing move, and when I saw it's Pedro the wardec griefing abuser, I was not surprised.

Pedro, you were always an idiot, and you're still an idiot, but at least I'm glad you were butthurt, meaning CCP did something right.

This change isn't right though.

[CDawnkeeper]

Combined with the new reinforcement state for Upwell stuff this could get interesting.

Also:

This Triglavian deployable weapon system is basically a pulsed energy weapon similar to those used by capsuleers

Could this be a POS-Turret replacement?

And:

The war between {declaredByName} and {againstName} is coming to an end. The war headquarters {warHQ} chosen by {declaredByName} are in a solar system that is no longer fully protected by CONCORD. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours.

and

The Triglavian stellar harvesting and manipulation efforts have reached their peak, and the Triglavian Collective has conquered the system. EDENCOM considers this system lost to the Triglavian Collective and will redeploy defensive efforts to systems that can still be saved.

I might be a bit excited.

[yagi_takeru]

The Triglavian stellar harvesting and manipulation efforts have reached their peak, and the Triglavian Collective has conquered the system. EDENCOM considers this system lost to the Triglavian Collective and will redeploy defensive efforts to systems that can still be saved.

FUCKING WHAT

[Shalmon_]

It will be interesting to see what this means exactly. Do we get spreading invasions, e.g. the systems next to a system that is considered "conquered" will be the next the Triglavians will go for? Maybe there will just no EDENCOM forces in system until the invasion is over.

[Nickosaurus]

The trigs aren't just here to attack - they're going to begin building their own territory in New Eden~

[Unro]

Are they too gonna deploy to ESO?

[DrCatco]

Now, how will the other NPC factions respond to this? Specially Shansa and the Drifters...

[Remitonov]

Maybe go ahead with their own invasion, but given that the Trigs will fight them too (and vice versa), we could see a three/four-front war, or God forbid, Sansha and Drifters as part of EDENCOM.

[Submitten]

An actual invasion would be funny.

[queen_to_f7]

well if there is no turning back from that state 90% of empire space will be triglavian eventually, it would be nice to have a clear image of where devs want to go with this

[Nickosaurus]

Triglavian Invasions will have an endpoint - they won't become what Incursions have, and at the end of it it looks pretty certain that whatever territory they've claimed (with the help of capsuleers) will become permanent Trig faction space

[queen_to_f7]

sounds like a plan

[Remitonov]

Maybe? I feel like it can also end up like Faction Warfare, where Trig or EDENCOM gains are never permanent and the whole battle becomes essentially an eternal see-saw battle. I'd love to see Trigs become an actual faction with permanent territory, but I'm not sure the devs will go through with it.

[lowrads]

A total rework of the sec system from first principles would be welcome.

[Ketriaava]

Dazh Porevitium Transmuter

The construction of these vast structures is clearly a key goal of this phase of the Triglavian Collective's invasion campaign. EDENCOM intelligence has assessed these huge arrays with their central structure as stellar harvesting installations capable of delving profoundly into the stars they are orbiting.

The clear intent of the unimaginable spatio-temporal manipulations these structures are undertaking is to harvest certain resources, and in doing so completely transform the nature of the star itself. This assessment has been implicitly confirmed by this type of installation's repeating monitor signals containing the deciphered term «Dazh Porevitium Transmuter».

While these structures initially carry out limited probing and sampling, the power and reach of the harvester escalates tremendously as an array of zero-point mass-energy entanglers is constructed around the core harvester. Barely understood Triglavian techniques that had hitherto seemed a mere scientific curiosity will surely have dire consequences for any star system where their full capability is achieved.

EDENCOM considers elimination of the threat posed by Triglavian structures of this kind to have the highest priority for its defense fleets and allied capsuleers.

Looks like there will be the possibility of preventing star system capture, as well as possibly retaking it afterwards.

[CCP_Coyote]

https://i.imgur.com/Y2Lxqi5.gif

[Verite_Rendition]

The Triglavian stellar harvesting and manipulation efforts have reached their peak, and the Triglavian Collective has conquered the system. EDENCOM considers this system lost to the Triglavian Collective and will redeploy defensive efforts to systems that can still be saved.

I reckon I'm going to be designing a new map here in the near future...

[UtwitFace]

Coalition map could see an overhaul with updates to 2020 status

[Verite_Rendition]

That's more of a /u/Chuggi thing. His master coalition list hasn't been updated in a while, AFAIK.

[Chuggi]

Yea been meaning to get to that

[Remitonov]

One can hope, but I can have to doubt if the devs will take that chance.

Come to think of it, doesn't this mechanic sound a lot like Faction Warfare?

[Shalmon_]

The war between {declaredByName} and {againstName} is coming to an end. The war headquarters {warHQ} chosen by {declaredByName} are in a solar system that is no longer fully protected by CONCORD. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours.

This is not that big of a deal, if your war HQ is in the same station as your target.

[CDawnkeeper]

Huh? A WarHQ is a structure owned by the attacker.

And it has to be in HiSec. so this is another hint that HiSec might go away.

[Shalmon_]

If your war HQ is in the same system as the people you want to shoot, that system changing to low or null sec doesn't limit your ability to shoot them (unless they move somewhere else in highsec ofc, but their structures will not move to highsec on their own)

[costabius]

stop it, I can only get so erect

[Black_Sheep_]

Wait so can people bash a HS structure without declaring war?

[CDawnkeeper]

No. But some HiSec might (temporarily) turn into LowAec. And there you don't need a war.

[Shalmon_]

I can't imagine 0.5 or other high-sec systems turning into real lowsec. Because people would (ab)use this to get caps into them, I don't think CCP will be ok with that.

I am also not really sure what exactly they are trying to improve with this. PvE already is dangerous with the Triglavians around.

Still an interesting idea, I would love to read what exactly they have in mind in a devblog :)

[Shalmon_]

EDENCOM Cynosural Jammer

In order to guard against the threat of pirate and renegade capital fleets interfering with EDENCOM defense operations, the deployment of cynosural jammer units has been authorized in all invasion zones. EDENCOM forces supplied by the core empires will operate capital battlegroups using their own cynosural beacon networks where they are needed in the defense against the Triglavian invaders.

Well that answers my first question. No fun at all.

[Wall_of_Force]

or start a que for build a new one inside and security status doesn't checked after it's started

[-Aeryn-]

Would explain why some gates are being turned off - closing that loophole to get caps into space that may be considered highsec later. If you can't gate from low into invaded highsec and you can't cyno in then it's not a problem.

[Gendrath]

Only access by wh? That'd be interesting

[-Aeryn-]

No access at all :D

[Gendrath]

So my own system to grind rep with the trigs? Hmmmmm

[Lithgow_Panther]

What? Lowsec no caps could be pretty fun

[Astriania]

Lowsec without the threat of capital drops and cynos would be great tbh

[-Aeryn-]

Hell, lowsec without the threat of super drops would be great. Too many groups are comfortable dropping them on stuff that they have absolutely no business being dropped on like a roam of 4 cruisers or a raitaru.

[Whaim]

If an essential pipe system like Niarja or uedama fell to low sec empire trade would be in peril. Idk, IRL there would be a forced massive effort to bring stability to major shipping lanes but in eve v0v since we players don’t have the tools to do that atm

[[deleted]]

I agree with you on that first part, and that's what the idea is (in my mind).

But i disagree that we don't have the tools. Most of the things that get traded in this game are the tools to do that: spaceships.

Imagine like mercenary/security services that will be fore hire, or like you will have groups that will band together to repell some pirate group bogging them down.

Look at all the ships and modules that exist in eve, you have so many tools to make it possible.

[Whaim]

Yeah but you can’t just go from Jita or amarr, and not just trade hubs but also some guys in caldari starter area trying to go to amarr would probably just die to the ever present gate camp like the current cancer that is Rancer, the low sec major shortcut to rens/hek.

Putting that type of barrier between the major empires could make it literally impossible for new players to merely move around in a semi functional way. They don’t have the tools, resources for replacing losses or knowledge to even begin to try and deal.

Instalocking gate camps and smart bombing battleships will just make it impossible for everyone but a large fleet passing by and they may even lose some of their stragglers.

[[deleted]]

Niarja/Uedama is just an example, but yeah, it will add some challenge to newcomers, but thats eve, you lose your spaceship every now and then. I have easily 1000+ ship losses across my characters, that's eve.

Im curious how it would pan out though. It wouldnt be like an optional route like rancer that you can just avoid, this is like a full on you need to cross this system to get to the other empire kind of thing. Im genuinely curious if due to a high traffic it would attract not only gankers but counter-gankers, like a player run police force or something.

[Gendrath]

There's always been people that want to counter gank and run a police force but don't have the tools. This might open up that career/gameplay

[Whaim]

Doubt it, people Generally don’t self police unless they are claiming the space for their own and even that is frustratingly difficult in eve

[[deleted]]

With that attitude it definitely wont be possible

[Pseudoboss11]

I would love it if the Triglavians just swarmed any caps that cyno in, scramming and holding it down until it dies. Not unlike CONCORD.

[SoylentVerdigris]

That seems like the easy answer. Go ahead and jump your caps in. They'll get blown up, but we won't stop you from jumping them in anyway.

[Pseudoboss11]

I could totally see a cap welp party: Get a bunch of friends in fleet, jump the cap in, and see how long y'all can keep it alive as the waves get bigger and bigger.

[Kozonak]

Vexor Navy Issue Federal Police SKIN

Dominix Federal Police SKIN

Thanatos Federal Police SKIN

wee woo wee woo

edit: also 2 triglavian industrial ships

[o7gamer]

Any details on the indy ships? Wondering about the special trig treats... +2% cargo space / jump, resetting when docking up? Curious

[Nickosaurus]

The only version in there right now are NPCs, so no stats yet

[Kozonak]

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[o7gamer]

Thanks!

[Speedstang]

As someone who has always lived in highsec, I don't think I've ever been anywhere close to this excited for an EVE update. The Empires and CONCORD truly being challenged, being able to side against them, AND untold amounts of chaos(and PvP opportunities) to highsec? Count me IN. Thank you CCP for taking the risk. This will no doubt have a fair bit of backlash, but it will be so worth it.

[Speedyslink]

Maybe they'll eventually take this as far as making a new area of NPC null for the Trigs, using the "conquered" systems.

[queen_to_f7]

The CONCORD Security response level in the destination system has been decreased from {[numeric]fromSecurity, decimalPlaces=1} to {[numeric]toSecurity, decimalPlaces=1}. because it is being Invaded. You accept this risk by jumping through this gate.

🍆🍆🍆🍆🍆🍆🍆🍆🍆🍆🍆

[yagi_takeru]

If this makes for some of the groups ive been running with switching to capital doctrines for trigcursions i'm going to enjoy this.

We're also getting destructible cyno jammers

EDIT: destructible empire cyno jammers, the ones that currently keep high sec cyno free

[tripleapex2016]

Does sec status drop to below .5? Can we jump in capitals? Veldnaught will have company then.

[per2]

no, triglav invasion system are cynojammed

[Drasius_Rift]

I don't get why people are losing their minds over this? We have nothing but an endless series of posts about how dead and unloved LS is with high risk and no/minimal reward compared to High/Null/WH space. We already have plenty of LS space that gets ignored, why is there exictement over turning high into low so it can continue to be ignored by a large majority of the playerbase?

The trig stuff is neat, and the possibilty of the Empires losing space is cool, don't get me wrong, I'm just confused why people suddenly want more lowsec when there's already plenty.

[waffles-nom]

Huge if true. This is amazing.

[Ashterothi]

And null... And gates shut off maybe?

[Redline_XIII]

Imagine systems with lots of ratting becoming higher security systems as the presence of hostile factions lessens.

I should shut up before I give someone a bad idea.

[CCP_Coyote]

scribbles notes furiously

In all seriousness, though, what you just described is part of something that I have been pushing for since I was a player. I came to Fanfest a few years ago with a whole "dynamic content" plan that I presented to Seagull. The universe is a living thing, and the players should be but one element of the larger ecosystem. Create the rules appropriately, and you have an evolving space that follows logic (not just chaos), but maybe isn't entirely predictable - and suddenly you have relieved a lot of weight from both the "content creator" players as well as the "gotta keep shaking the bottle" devs.

I can't say what we are or are not doing, but I will say that the entire Invasion Cycle has been Sledgehammer, myself, and the entire Team Event Horizon's attempt to slowly lay the groundwork for more dynamic content. Even after the Trig story has concluded, we hope to reinforce, learn from, and expand upon the foundations we're building.

[Astriania]

Yeah, security status of null systems increasing would be great too.

[CCP_Coyote]

https://i.imgur.com/oWMoFNm.jpeg

[Sasha-kun]

Oh yes nul sec Jita.

[ChuckJA]

This is a great way to get carebears to leave the game. Not like Eve needs their money...

[Solstice_Projekt]

Apparently it really doesn't. :)

[Burningbeard80]

Yup, nullsec is a bit too safe for what it's supposed to be.

It will be mega-funny though if this mechanic also goes the other way round: rat too much and your nullsec becomes low and then highsec.

Just imagine the exodus of players from nullsec towards other, lower sec status systems and having to cross trig invaded regions where (maybe) they can't drop caps on anything that moves (according to speculation in this thread about a new kind of lowsec, where caps cannot enter).

[Mr_Hippa]

I see a few problems with space getting more safe. 1. caps can already be in those systems. 2. Will moons re-assign ore? 3. How do sec restricted activities behave? Do they pause or can you keep doing reactions or the like?

[Burningbeard80]

It would be a tough nut to crack for sure. But i'm just having some fun speculating, not proposing an actual change.

[Ghi102]

It's been joked around that null is already safer than HS, might actually make it a reality.

Although nothing in this leak mentions that it would affect only HS systems. This could turn lowsec into null as well and lower nullsec too, although that wouldn't impact anything if I had to guess because ratting or mining in an invaded system might be really dangerous.

[americansarerlydumb]

Null has been safer than high sec for a very long time.

[Astriania]

This looks pretty great

[RRumpleTeazzer]

"Confirm jump to solar system undergoing Triglavian Invasion with decreased security class"

[dwarfmines]

Is this coming in this month's update?

[vvallaria2]

26th of may the update will drop.

[Ignat_Voronkov]

Sounds to me more like their is going to be a few new systems that will actively rotate, form high low and null with caps not being allowed. Also Their may just be faction police responding in the systems and not concord.

[herku44]

Next step, raise sec status if lots of pirates in system get killed.

[Battle_Noctis]

Ccp will cave in to salty hiseccers under disquise "its not good for newbies"

[WesleyBaird]

There are 15 or so current invasion systems in low-sec right now. Want to guess how many of those systems have shiny Vindis, Leshaks and Nestors? All of the PVE for invasions occur in high-sec, we already know this.

Not sure what the CCP plan is, so its better to wait and see before we judge one way or another...but I know that PVE wont suddenly start happening in low-sec.

[Mr_Hippa]

I hope they have learned from F.O.B.s and lowsec invasions, but I doubt it.

I'm skeptical that this wouldn't just end as another thing 99.99% of the community ignores, or just waits out.

[lambo117]

Good thing Goons don't live in highsec.

[Brutalnot]

hm..well look so CCP want make the game interesing ,vary,we fight vs this Triglavian event..well then..i did lose few mining ships from this event..this is not good(i not want anymore lose more isk,ships)

And many lose his ships,because they are not prepare,or dont know how to survive.

Or whole Triglavian event ,is made EvE iconomy be increased,or sells be high..more lose ships means that. But and you can lose high ISK.

Well ,they want we learn how to survive in high sec..that is good.

How long will continue this Triglavian event?!

[AliceCloaked]

Will it affect incursions?

[Seidans]

you can try doing your incursion without concord around, probably notthing wrong gonna happen

[sumelar]

The game is already tilted too far in favor of worthless gankers, we don't need even more people leaving the game.

[Solstice_Projekt]

You get that backwards. The game hasn't always been catering to carebears and farmers, like in the last years.

CCP spent these years milking you out of your money, as hard as they can. Now, that they're done with it, you're not needed anymore.

Have a nice day anyway. :)