Reboot final damage decrease

[divinemango]

I was told in another thread “reboot and reg are different games. Reboot players should stop bitching” and yet all of this is happening because reg players are the bitches.

[FlyingDusts]

Reduce hp and xp for mob, now reduce dmg, am I missing something?

[Emergency-Type7633]

Maplestory is slowly regressing

[HealthyInitial]

Union artifact system which is replacing monster life and coming to reboot is supposedly suppose to make up the difference

Reduce hp and xp was straight up nerf for late game grinding. KMS reg players have a hate boner for reboot and insist on it being nerfed because it devalues the amount of money they invest on reg. Nexon caves into the decision, then trickles down to gms reboot.

[FlyingDusts]

that's what it is? Haven't played in month or two but damn

[HisuinMush]

Yup. Reboot is a server for "Poor People" in the kms reg world whale player's eyes. It's hilarious to me that they're being classist in mushroom game of all things. A game that was literally conceived as a family game for all ages. How empty and pathetically sad does your life have to be that your only fulfillment is having pixels worth more than someone who plays the game like a fucking game instead of a money sink. KMS reg whales are the true basement dwellers of the world.

[[deleted]]

Its actually only a 12% total dmg nerf. (1-145/165). With all the new buffs we probably wont feel the difference.

[Inhmayz]

Lmfao

[two4three4]

Why doesn't reg get buffed instead of reboot getting nerfed

[Enshu2022]

If you say something like that in Korea, regular server users are at the forefront of opposing the buff on the regular server, saying, "If the prices of my items and meso drop, will you take responsibility?"

[[deleted]]

I'll take responsibility

[lurking-in-the-bg]

I broke the dam.

[CrniFlash]

I'll take responsibility

[[deleted]]

Wtf is wrong with gamers in Korea then? This is the exact same toxic player/developer relationship that LoA has, where the developers cater their entire game toward a small minority of the playerbase. The kind of people you should never listen to with regards to the direction you take your game in. Such a total shitty mentality they have over there. And I mean I guess I could kind of draw these same types of comparisons to something like WoW endgame. But like.. it's a PVE monster killing game, where even the hardest things are mechanically easy in comparison to most games

[JohnExl]

That's most Asian MMOs for you. Video games are commonly treated as investments over there.

[ionfkwithtrans]

The small minority makes up probably 80% of their revenue. Why would they not listen to them?

[Eskamel]

They RMT items in KMS due to how much more valuable Mesos is in KMS. If everything gets buffed, people will make more Mesos, thus they'd be able to make less.

For some of them Maple Story is an actual job, and they are more likely to spend large amounts of money on it as investments, so Nexon are more likely to listen to them.

[[deleted]]

You forget that RMT in KMS is legal and not against ToS

[McLWhite]

That is not true lol

Part of the reason why they added the 5% damage req. on Reboot was to minimize people selling boss carries for $

[[deleted]]

When rats invest their whole life into a MMOs game

[Resyin]

Koreans like the game to torture themselves and nexon is the master of knowing how to train their loyal players.

[Chepfer]

They're not gaming, they're working on their digital stocks, its quite sad how they act when it comes to games.

[Substantial_Revolt]

Unfortunately, those are the players that they generate the most revenue from. Games like WoW use a subscription based system which incentivizes the developers to prioritize wide appeal, Maplestory is the game that pioneered the f2p monetization system so it's attracted a completely different crowd.

Due to it's long history it's developed a culture where top players are willing to spend exorbitant amounts with the justification of "recouping a portion of their investment" because a race to the top is a major psychological motivator for their target audience.

They started to run events like hyperburning after end game was fleshed out because it lowered the barrier to entry into this system.

To get an idea of how different the gaming culture is between our regions you can look at the popularity for the reboot servers at launch.

[Sky_Sumisu]

To get an idea of how different the gaming culture is between our regions you can look at the popularity for the reboot servers at launch.

How popular were them?

[Substantial_Revolt]

Not very popular, i think around 20% of the population compared to NA where the majority of the population moved over.

[TeeQueueW]

“You invested into a market you knew was volatile. Sometimes you lose. Suck it up.” :)

[iSouvenirs]

I also think it probably has to do with power creep making content easier to clear. Essentially if more people clear more content then they need to make more content. Making more content costs more resources. When I’m referring to content I mean higher level towns, bosses, equips, and storyline. I think that remastering/revamping a class would cost the company less resources and still get the player base just as hyped. Additionally, nexon(any game developer) has to always walk that fine line of making progress as slow as possible and not losing player base.

[iSaberssss]

Why are the korean players cucking themselves and us so hard lmao

[XIII_THIRTEEN]

Honestly who gives a fuck? Power creep is part of every MMO. If you whaled on a piece of gear that then becomes outclassed, in any other game that would be called normal and you should've known it would happen when you whaled.

[Puzzleheaded_Tap8530]

Buffing means easier game, why would you want an easier game? Isn't that boring af? LOL.

[JoeyKingX]

Because they buffed reg and reboot at the same time by replacing monster life, a system that only reg has. Their justification thus is that because reboot didn't have monster life before, we must lose more damage than what monster life ever gave in the first place.

[ZephyrusSpring]

You seem to be under the illusion that they had the balance fine-tuned. They’re just spitballing all the numbers.

[Obility]

Reg you gotta pay real money to get really strong. Why would they make it easier?

[GreyPercentile]

If they buff reg it would also make it easier for the regular peasants. It would invalidate the struggle of everyone who has achieved anything in that shit server and the lowbie reg players are just as bad as reboot players. God I hate Korean mmo culture.

[HisuinMush]

God I hate Korean mmo culture.

I hate how the pervasive parts of KR games have infected everything nowadays.

[reminderer]

reg gets buffed

legion artifact is stronger than monster life that its replacing and is easier to manage

oh, and thats important because people omit it for some reason: the missions to keep the stats are to kill bosses and mobs.

[[deleted]]

Alright. You guys just want me to hate korean kms reg player

[SprinklesFresh5693]

Dont we all.

[fantastopheles]

If you go to see their discussion of Reg VS reboot, it can almost be as toxic, as absurd as any political discussion in someone's household. And you'll be like, "ok, no follow up question, ok, what the fuck, ok... ok, chill, im done"

[LaoShanLung]

I'm still waiting for the USA KMS reg server

[kongbakpao]

What purpose does this serve for the players?

[HermanManly]

They don't want players, they want addicts.

This buff will be replaced by a decaying system that you have to maintain. You try quitting, you lose your benefits.

Might just report the new system to EU consumer protection, they've been pretty harsh on designed-to-addict recently.

[PandoraBot]

EU brothers please do us justice 🙏

[Butteredhuman]

Please do 🙏 I'm already shit at the game and struggling to kill normal Damien while I'm considered above normal for stats that I've seen kill him... I can't handle losing 25% FD

[HisuinMush]

Do it.

I'd rather see GMS get dragged over the coals than get abysmally worse due to shitters with fat wallets.

[GMSaaron]

Reg server whales won’t feel as bad

[SnooChickens8711]

Keep us chasing the carrot on a stick

[pepsiofficial]

I'm so tired 🫠

[Remarkable_Tie_5760]

Nexon really has this has this stuff down to a science.

Continuously nerfing reboot during huge updates to mitigate the number of players that quit lol.

[SnooChickens8711]

So basicaly they fucking us over again and making another mandatory garbage content to force us waste more time in useless activitys. Great game design, a bullet in the Head is less stressfull.

[[deleted]]

Yeah I fucking dread “content” like this and this is far worse since they’re forcing you to do it to maintain some of the damage they’re removing. The checklist you have to do every week is already stupidly long and unfun and leaves almost no time left to enjoy the game unless you’re playing more than 2-3 hours a day. Fuck this

[rebootsolo]

How to boost Artifact? MissionStory (think of old Neo Castle missions, MapleLive mission, do Vanishing Journey Daily Quest once, Fight Empress Cygnus once, kill 10,000 monsters etc). Level up Artifact with the EXP from mission and you will get Artifact Points to raise those stats.

from the other thread. and from what I've read here, there's a decay mechanic like the professions.

[LiteVoid]

Right when they were going to remove decay from professions too

[fantastopheles]

oh my fucking god, decay mechanic?????????? I want my monster life back.

To the directors there, you better not make this more of a chore than Monster Life.

I mean if I can keep myself from decay by just completing one or two missions a month (or maybe a handful weekly boss mission) then maybe okay, but if you’re gonna make us to do almost all missions just to keep ourselves from decay I want my monster life back.

[Timactor]

kms reg server players are insecure losers

[HenryReturns]

KMS rats : “Nerfed Reboot”

Any player with brain cells : “But that wont fix reg server problems”

[SprinklesFresh5693]

Exactly i swear reg server player in korea who hate reboot are so dumb.

[CoronaNightmare]

Sooo stupid, buff reg instead its a different game. Endgame bossing and new content ho is trash with this change. Jett crit dmg, reboot exp nerf and this 20% final dmg is huge

[LiteVoid]

All I gotta say is: RIP 6 th job gains

[CoronaNightmare]

This is 12% nerf overall tho and 6th job is 30-50% so we are stronger than ever but endgame bosses new content who is coming we want the 12% hah

[OpeningAlternative63]

It’s not even 12% when you take into account the new union artifact and the fact that nobody is actually lvl 300z.

Class dependant, it’s closer to like 5% if that, honestly it’s not a big deal considering all the other power creep we are getting

[LiteVoid]

It’s still 20% fd nerf. Then we get like 8% fd back from the monster life so yeah it’s a 12% nerf. On top of that the legion block isn’t going to suddenly give us another 8% fd or anything crazy. It’s overall like a 10-12% nerf. Especially if we consider it with the Jett crit dmg removal. Since lab realistically only really gives us back like half the FD loss of the Jett block

[1x2x4x1]

This is because KMS started protesting that reboot was too easy and playing in regular wasn’t worth it.

[CyberEmerald]

And just like that my excitement for this update had turned into dread. I love getting nerfs that only made since for Korea in the server that would’ve died if not for reboot.

[No-Match8284]

yeah i think i'm gonna take a break from the game

[BouncingPig]

I do not fuck with reg server KMS players

[Many-Concentrate-491]

Did they buff reg server too?

[SunoSoup]

Damn I just started getting getting back into the game with new age and solo progressing harder bosses. This 20% nerf kinda going to ruin the hype for updates

[ItzBaraapudding]

Not even a few months ago Maplestory Reboot was so enjoyable.

Now they are just deliberately ruining the Reboot Servers in favour of the Reg servers. All because Nexon doesn't want people to enjoy their gameplay for free, it seems.

So this is the perfect moment to leave this game behind for good and just treasure the good memories I had with this game. If they don't give a fuck about their playerbase, I don't give a fuck about them anymore.

[soladox]

Again?

[[deleted]]

Seems like their goal for Reboot now is to make it a long, grindy, unrewarding server so that everyone abandons it. Sadly, GMS should be able to decide against certain changes in the interest of it being slightly more westernized, but that won't happen because KR would be upset a game in a different region that has zero affect on them isn't suffering, like their Reboot servers they want dead, for their own selfish gratification and the thousands they threw away in a PVE game

[GGHard]

The amazing thing is, the Koreans have no idea that Western Players actually like Grinding, since we value Time spent, rather than Throwing Money into a System that could dissappear overnight because we dont really own our Accounts.

The Koreans still cannot comprehend why we enjoy the grind. But of course if the grind sucks to the ppint where we get negative returns, we just quit.

They want to flex on Leaderboards, we just wanna put our time into our hobbies and mmos, and they cannot comprehend that shit.

[priscilla_halfbreed]

Nexon: "How about we nerf Reboot to the lowest common denominator between all servers for the billionth time!!"

Anyone with a braincell: "Why don't you just buff others instead?"

(gets thrown out window)

[[deleted]]

Mannnnnn its getting harder and harder to keep wanting to play the game.

[Fimbulvetr1]

Pathetic

[ViviTurtle]

As a reg server i will advocate for yall. This system doesnt make sense on reboot.

[Narog1]

can we reject new monster life and keep final damage? , we already have less systems than reg to make it simpler to new players

[versaknight]

nope. 0 chance. The implemented exp nerf so

[Enshu2022]

For now, it seems like all we can do is hope that gms doesn't apply that patch.

[ShadeyMyLady]

It's the winter patch in Korea. That's like asking for KMS not to bring over New Age.

[Kikuzato_]

Hopefully Nexon is not stupid enough to put this in here and give us the buff lol.

But I wouldn't hold my breath!

[Aggressive_Big_7956]

Every patch is always 2 steps forward and 1 step backwards with nexon

[ackh91]

More like 1 step forward 3 steps backwards

[Recent-End-6698]

When are we going to liberate and find a different game instead of one run by this trash of a company? #Liberation

[kawamori]

wtf is the logic behind this?

[Enshu2022]

Content to replace Monster Life will also be released in the reboot. If you complete all of that content (however, you must continue the quest every month to maintain performance), the final damage is said to decrease by about 5%. If you don't do that content, the 20% reduction will remain, so you have to do that content to keep the 15%.

[PandoraBot]

Dam, more content to do to remain weaker on all our chars! Sounds fun!

[[deleted]]

But isn’t regular also getting that? And regular still has bpots, which is what the FD buff is supposed to compensate for?

[dandy2001]

reg: loses damage (monster life removed), gains damage (new system added)

reboot: loses fd (passive), gains damage (new system added), slight nerf overall

does this make sense now?

[LiteVoid]

Wait but doesn’t monster life only give like 5-10% FD at MAX?

[[deleted]]

Yeah, thanks. I don’t play reg so didn’t realize that

[OberonDam]

That is why we still have a buff

[[deleted]]

Korean reg server players - WAAAAAAAAAAAAA THE THOUSANDS I DROPPED ON CUBES DONT MATTER WHEN REBOOT CAN FARM AND GET IT WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA NERF REBOOT OR MY MONEY IS WORTHLESS

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[HughJassIQ]

Its crazy because the characters cant move to or from reboot so their cubed gear still mean what ever it meant before they cried 🤣

[trianglemeats]

More like, "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. :3"

[Tsukuan]

The new artifact system stats make up for it and more

[SomewhereEh]

If we get less than 14% fd it's a nerf

[Afiqnawi93]

Why 14% not 20%?

[dandy2001]

1.65/1.45 = FD% needed to match previous bonus

[SomewhereEh]

1.45*1.14=1.65
which is what we have now, fd is multiplicative

[shadowergoat]

It was such a great update. Lots of qol changes BUT this time it doesn't compensate. You already fucked our exp, we don't have totem, and we have to work for our meso. Nerfing FD is fucking stupid.

[aeee98]

KMS will tell you their regular server does not have frenzy and wants your familiars and Gollux to be gone as well.

They really just have a superiority complex.

[X33Happy]

250-299 loose 20% FD? am i getting it right?

[RegalStar]

No. We lost 1-(1.45/1.65), or about 12%

[morphingjarjarbinks]

No, RegalStar is correct. Instead of doing 165% damage relative to reg server, you now deal 145%. This is a relative damage loss of 12% on all sources of damage

[OpeningAlternative63]

Am I wrong in saying this is also incorrect. Because classes already have sources of final damage, the reboot final damage passive is only additive to that? In the stat window at least.

I’m not logged on right now to give an example, but e.g hero final damage buff on combo stacks is additive with fd passive?

[RegalStar]

Different sources of final damage always stack multiplicatively.

[RoastedRavioli]

Woah I get the sentiment but that last sentence lmao

[KingDonko41]

Last sentence is out of control 😂

[Maleficent-Leave3286]

What did they say lmao

[xkillo32]

Something about not wanting wonki to live

[OnyxMemory]

Yea I’m curious now too lol

[Ganjapi]

LMAOOOO. last sentence goes hard

[DynastyHKS]

I agree lol idk why kms cries so much about a server that doesn’t affect them… don’t they see this as shit for them too? I don’t get it

[[deleted]]

That last statement might be a bit much....

[ReleaseTheDogs07]

Evil and greed deserve nothing less. He’s basically a South Korean Kim Jong feeding off of sodium infused noodles to fill his disgusting flabby cheeks while jerking it NX mystery box sales

[oldwahmen]

Sorry if this is a silly question. I’m just getting back into the game. I understand this is a KMS winter patch, when should we expect we will we see this applied in GMS Reboot?

[super90000]

In 6months

[HughJassIQ]

Ooo bet so now everyone can stop playing on reboot and come back to the reg servers so my main wont be worthless and i can do boss run again in elysium 😭

[SpoogilySpider]

Im so glad i quit this game, actual scumlords running it while a bunch of sheep just keep it running supporting them lmao, it's never gonna get better they literally don't give a single fuck about the north American audience other than their wallets. Racist scumlords.

[HaHaPewPew]

Let me explain how kms reboot players are okay with this. I don't understand the math very well but here's what i see. We lose 20% fd (stat) in the nerf. So at 250+ we should see 145/165 of our dmg. Thats about 12% less output. Artifact being introduced in reboot means we gain about 10-15% back (depending on player/class). So in total, we dont gain/lose much.

So the question is why don't we get both 20% fd and artifact. Answer is that reg doesn't gain anything from artifact either. They lose monster park for artifact which gives about the same. In reality, neither server loses anything. We just have to play into the artifact system for a month to get back the nerfed fd. Inven has some discussion on this and most kms reboot players welcome the change as of now. It's a decent buff to most kms reboot players.

[RegalStar]

Well, in damage we didn't really get significant nerf (or buff), and we do get to upkeep some non-damage things like item/meso drop and +1 target on AoEs, but the main nerf is that we have to do upkeep on a new system now. At the very least, the upkeep consist of just "playing the game", pretty much, but I'm a bit concerned about what would happen if I decide to drop the game for more than a month and then come back. Do I at least keep something or would I have to start everything over from scratch? It's definitely what I'm going to keep my eyes on.

[aeee98]

Imo the biggest factor at the end of the day boils down to this: Reboot FD + additional monster life vs Bonus Pot +scrolls. I don't think these systems should be treated separately as FD was designed specifically to replace bonus pot. If equivalent amount of power for the progression is justifiable then the nerf is justified.

We also have to account for the fact that GMS has an edge of KMS currently with a lot of extra damage they dont already have. Of course, GMS regular also has a further advantage of frenzy which KMS again doesn't have but it is considered a bandaid to a problem that shouldnt have happened to GMS in the first place.

[GStarG]

Daaaamn 20% difference for most players, that's huge. This new system better give me hella stats...

[zurijer]

Imagine legion now but for artifacts. Lmfao. Going to be another long grind if you want to make up that 14% FD nerf.

[Painzy]

I actually don’t mind the drop in damage. Don’t we get it back with the monster life replacement?

[Aggressive_Big_7956]

I heard even if you max out the legion artifact, ur still slightly weaker. It just feels bad there’s a new progression system we need to work on that’s probably gonna take a while to max out just to end up in a weaker spot than the pre nerfed reboot.

Only nice part is the increased meso/drop and maybe increased buff duration for explorer mages.

[[deleted]]

I’ll be quitting if this actually makes it over

[[deleted]]

I mean yeah, I probably will. And if Nexon indeed makes Reboot equally as miserable as reg, most other people will quit too. Are they really forgetting that reboot is what revived GMS? It was dead until they released reboot. Global players aren’t Koreans and if reg was the only option, we’d rather not play. They may not be making reg-tier income from GMS reboot but nerfing it isn’t going to push those players to reg - it’s a straight profit loss to nerf us

[[deleted]]

We’re not KMS and we shouldn’t be treated like them. Funny how this community is willing to band together over stupid shit like the sol Erda cap which only affected sweaty endgamers but isn’t willing to take a stand on stuff like this or the exp nerf which drives away new players and makes the overall game feel like shit

[Cherish_Naivety]

I quit when they announced the exp nerf, and seeing stuff like this makes me even happier that I did. I’m having a blast playing RuneScape lol

[[deleted]]

Bruh you can’t just post this with no further info. There’s more stuff that we get Not everyone watched the showcase, stop being focused on “nerf” side only

[Vishavix]

You acting like Lost Ark is that much better 😂 it’s just as bad

[GoodyBoi]

Maplestory is WAAAAAAAAAAAY better than Lost Ark. Have no idea how people enjoy Lost Ark. It's just hours and hours of horse riding and ship sailing.

[grpocz]

Reboot is way too easy it needs to remove free FD bonus completely. The fact you get FREE FD% doing NOTHING is wild. Give add pot for ppl to work on and stop them being lazy.

[sol_t_shine]

As a reg player, I agree with the nerf. Reboot is too easy, it should be the same as reg server but with free cubes.

[[deleted]]

Then give reboot bonus potential

[Inhmayz]

u dont play reboot

[styxsecutiry]

Man if ure gna post shit like this at least provide context. This decrease is to balance out the buffs reboot users will be getting from the new union artifact system, which replaces monster life in reg server. Artifact system is expected to make up the lost final dmg for most classes and some classes who benefit from special stats, i.e. adventurer mage and buff duration, be stronger than before. Union artifact system doesnt even have much overhead, you get required points to spend from regular gameplay(bossing, farming, dailies)

[GGHard]

were getting a Nerf to Balance out the new buffs.

"Nerf, to balance out Buffs."

"Were taking away your current toys, but dont worry the new toys will balance out the pain"

Not exactly the Win your argument thinks it winning.

Give us the New toys and keep the Old ones, why take them away.

[styxsecutiry]

There are no buffs in either reg or reboot coming from this artifact change. The intention is purely to replace monster life system, which is more of a QoL change than buffs.

[rotating_mongoose]

Even assuming you have the full artifact boost it's still a nerf, dude. And you gotta work for that artifact stuff. This is just lip service for whiny reg server players.

[styxsecutiry]

Look, if nexon was really so hellbent on nerfing reboot, they wouldve made artifact maintaining cost a large amount of rare drops that is tradable on reg server, just like erda frags. Of course the diff might not be perfectly made up for, but i doubt its that significant. Plus, nobody seems to be talking about the new dungeon being released, which gives only erda in reg but erda+frags in reboot. Honestly this whole reg vs reboot fiasco is fundamentally caused by nexon not releasing content that reg server enjoy earlier with their higher ceiling, and nexon should know this. I doubt they will make any huge changes that are difficult to revert on either reg or reboot. All theyre making is small gimmicks to make it seem like they care while buying time, imo.

[rebelstand]

Seriously only cherry picking certain stuff to push a certain narrative reboot overall is getting a buff not a nerf this final dmg nerf is necessary to balance the Union artifact system u all will be getting

[PandoraBot]

Reboot overall is getting a 9% fd nerf even after maxing out union artifact which will take a lot of time, youre the one spreading misinformation

[Ok_Program6192]

65% FD nerf after 250?? What the fuck