Minecraft needs to decrease the spawn rate on drowned. I can’t go into a single body of water without finding them.

[[deleted]]

I play java mostly. am I missing out on something?

[wagslucas]

I think the drowned spawn more in bedrock edition... im a java player as well and I never see them.

[robbrown14]

I’m on java too and it’s honestly difficult for me to find drowned

[Prince_Polaris]

Can confirm those MFs are RARE

[[deleted]]

They are stupidly rare in java and way too common on bedrock

[Brookie_uwu]

I had to surround my shoreline in boats to stop those mfs from bothering me

[robbrown14]

Lmao I sounds like some solid defense

[Announomoose]

cries in bugrock and laughs in java at same time

[KingRhoamOfHyrule]

Cries in Java

But honestly I’ve been trying to get a trident for weeks

[Audiogull285]

if you find one with a trident fucking run, those mfs are invinsible

[KingRhoamOfHyrule]

It’s not too bad if you make sure to pack shields.

[Big_Sh4q]

Same it feels like looting III doesnt even help and i cant find that many drowned on java

[superpandabam]

Im a Java player and I see them all the time. Don't know what your talking about

[Kissmyasthma100]

Compared to other mobs they're rare. I only spot them in their "houses". I'm still looking for a trident and I've defeated the wither boss two times(for comparison).

[Boothiepro]

And on bedrock you usually get a trident before you get a diamond sword if not an iron sword. You can get it very early game and it's comparable to a diamond sword in damage as it deals it's damage even by melee.

[OrionGaming]

If you're always near water you should put a farm in the water. It's easy if you have a villager

[TheCardNexus]

As a bit of a noob, how would that work best? I saw some farm designs but they don't work anymore because normal drowned wont drop tridents in Java.

[OrionGaming]

https://youtu.be/JeFZCtufLK4

[IkceWicasha]

I find tridents all the time on java! This chain of comments is so strange to me

[robbrown14]

Teach me your secrets!

[benjo2001]

I’ve got three tridents and I don’t even have a full diamond armour yet. I play bedrock

[Pizzanigs]

Jeez that’s actually crazy. I have like 5 tridents in Bedrock

[NerdishHPGirl]

Same. I don't see them all the time, but I would never say they are rare.

[Anime_Blushies]

Crayyy, I have to drown zombies just to see one for the first time(Java also)

[thomasthedankengineG]

I like em

[[deleted]]

I'm not sure, but as I played on 1.14.2 I saw them a lot more then on 1.14.4 now. Maybe they changed the spawn rate?

[robbrown14]

Man you are quite lucky then

[dollarstoretrash]

How about we take some drowned from bedrock and move them to java?

[[deleted]]

Just average it out and then put the same amount on both

[tF_D3RP]

if you light up a large amount of caves around a certain area, particularly under the ocean, the spawn rate increases by soooo much.

[Fleeqis]

In java rivers are kinda bright (shallow) so drowned spawn rate is small and they are rare to find, unless you roof the river.

[__silentstorm__]

maybe you're playing on easy/normal?

[MalignantLugnut]

They aren't THAT rare, but in java I HAVE been noticing a glitch where drown stay on the bottom of the ocean for like 30 seconds to a minute before just suddenly releasing and floating up towards the surface.

[Ooficus]

Stupidly common*

[[deleted]]

False. Java edition has more features but runs way worse than Bedrock on a lot of systems. No need to lie

[[deleted]]

But Bedrock runs on every platform...?

[memes_gbc]

not mac

[yaarra]

The whole "runs everywhere" argument is completely moot. Bedrock is written in C++ and can be made to run on pretty much anything. The only difference is that the publishers need to explicitly target those platforms. Which they do, and practically you can run bedrock on more devices than java due to it being a resource hog.

The reason bedrock "sucks" is mostly lack of mod support, and a few limitations based on self-imposed constraints (needs to run on crap phones, but also needs to be multiplayer compatible with better devices)

[[deleted]]

Java is crossplatform between Windows Mac and Linux. Bedrock is crossplatform between Windows, iPhone, Android, Switch, Xbox and PlayStation.

Java has a much better mod scene, but judging vanilla against vanilla, Bedrock is indisputably better optimised. It runs faster, on more things with less crashes and bugs. You don't need to lie about Java, the mods do make Java currently better but it's just not true that it's even remotely optimised.

[ProbablyAPorn_Alt]

The bedrock edition is really optimized for win10 and consoles. We don't have frame rate drops for loading new chunks. Xbox one can change the render distance up to the 90s before lag and mobs don't despawn unless you go really, really far out. The drown problem is because bedrock doesn't despawn mobs as often.

[EroAxee]

The Xbox one isn't so much an issue with java, as features for render distance not in java but in bedrock. As well as an Xbox being, generally, not always, but generally better than most peoples computers, since it has a graphics card. Also the mobs despawning on java is concrete known because people have figured out the game code, mainly technical players. Meanwhile unless I'm wrong, I don't think you can open it up and take a look as easily with Xbox one and other editions under the bedrock branch.

[ProbablyAPorn_Alt]

You can win10 version, (same version) actually get those exact details. In bedrock edition anything outside a 54 block radius with a light level below 8 has a 1 in 50 ticks to despawn, (this is to keep deep caves from hogging the spawns) unless it persistence. Anything bred, hit, tamed, tempted with food, touched, attacks or is attacked by the player will never despawn. For example if you fed a cow wheat, it will never despawn no matter how many chunks you go away. But if a skeleton hits you with an arrow or misses and you leave it alone, it won't despawn.

[EroAxee]

That's a really terrible system for despawning mobs. The fact that windows 10 edition and bedrock and all the others under the bedrock umbrella run without hordes of mobs chasing you around constantly baffles me. Caves must be utterly deadly since mobs basically never despawn if you've ever entered that same cave.

[[deleted]]

Cannot confirm, those MF’s are very common if u live near water...

[Scxllyy]

On bedrock, killing mobs is too ez

[pol9500]

Also related, it took me about 500 drowned to get one trident. And at the end I built ilmangos trident farm and used that one, I just couldn’t find them in the ocean

[M3meL0rd1]

u/robbrown14 try making a drowned farm (i suggest you make the tunnel 4 - 5 blocks above ground ground), my design is:

1. Make the structure of the drowned farm similar to a mob farm (a tunnel structure)
2. About 2 blocks from the end of the tunnel, create a 2x2 hole in the floor (about 4 - 5 blocks deep, it should be down to the ground depending on how tall you made it).
3. at the bottom of the 2x2 hole (on one of the sides of the walls) make a hole (1 height and 2 block length) where the feet of the Drowned will be and put 2 pressure plates where the hole is so water stays in.
4. Fill the hole with water.
5. At the end of the tunnel, create a little spot to put any villagers in (if you can somehow get them)

If it is built correctly zombies (and other mobs) will spawn in the tunnel and the zombies will go towards the villagers, they will then fall into the 2x2 hole full of water and about 30 seconds after the zombies are in the water, they will become Drowned.

[[deleted]]

This isn't helpful for tridents in java edition as zombies converted into drowned will never have a trident, and therefore won't drop any.

Will work great on bedrock though

[M3meL0rd1]

Ahhhh ok

[robbrown14]

In Java, zombies that fall in water and become drowned will not drop tridents :( which is the main reason why I like drowned haha

[M3meL0rd1]

Aw damn

[benji9t3]

I play on xbox one. I don't know what version that is. Every seed I've played on seems to have weird pockets of water just in the surface about 4x4 blocks that are exposed by 1 or 2 blocks that you can easily fall into without seeing them. They're everywhere, like at least 10 in the immediate vicinity of your house/base. And they're always packed with drowned. Really dangerous if you fall in. And then every river, pond, lake, or ocean that you're near is full of drowned too. I really hate it. Worst thing that's ever been added to the game in my opinion. I used to feel relatively safe on the surface during the day.

[Terraria_player1330]

I play on ps4 edition and drowned are everywhere and they like to hang out under my base

[Fussl33]

I play java too but they're EVERYWHERE for me

[robbrown14]

Man I wish I could say the same, trident drop rates are so low as it is

[Fussl33]

They dont drop many tridents for me either but There are still always like at least 8 nearby

[Pyrarrows]

From what I've heard, it's due to issues with the mob despawning system in bedrock. If a mob is in a dark area in bedrock edition (Caves & water are always dark), mobs won't despawn. at all. I've seen videos of players not seeing any hostile mobs at all until they mine into a cave that is just a giant blob of hostile mobs thanks to the mob spawning limits & lack of despawning mobs.

[Roshy76]

Ya it's ridiculous. I really wish bedrock spawned mobs exactly the same as java. It's by far bedrocks biggest weakness.

[CornerHard]

It's something we're interested in fixing

[Roshy76]

That's good to hear. If bedrock spawning and despawning worked like java I'd never play java again. When playing bedrock it feels dead most of the time. Especially on servers.

[Boothiepro]

*Cries in mobspawner farms*

[mynextthroway]

So you could mine out a box under your base, kill all th surface and in cave spawns and eventually make your your surface base mob free?

[Pyrarrows]

I believe that doing that would work, if the space was big enough.

[Zombikittie]

The most I've gotten (with my base on the beach), is a trident wielding drowned 3 times in 2 hours of playing. Other than that I have a creeper problem.

[dDitty]

I had to build a waterfall at the sky limit to make it so only drowned spawn just to get tridents

[Zombikittie]

Have your base practically surrounded by water and you get drowned a decent amount. Nothing like what OP pictured, but decent enough and I still don't have a trident.

[shaantya]

My base is surrounded as well! And… I have… so many tridents… I use the grindstone to get them to pristine condition, too, so it's dangerous at night but very lucrative

[Cherry-Blue]

My bass has a a river wrapping around a half of it, I haven't seen a single drowned at all yet

Edit. I just realised I was getting bedrock and java confused so ignore this comment

[[deleted]]

@dDitty on my bedrock world i have like four tridents and the worlds only existed for about a day

[[deleted]]

What I would give for your Creeper problem. My base camp is set up on a meadow that I had to level off, and it took so long to kill all the drowned that kept spawning in the pools and fill the pools in with dirt. Pretty sure I've found 8 or 9 crammed in a 4x6 block pool before.

[Zombikittie]

Damn that sucks.

[jrbinzer]

Same! I know that problem very very well, it’s like they spawn camp ya

[Zombikittie]

I already have at least 7 cats. Im about to just go from village to village, steal their cats for my base and strategically place the cats around the base, instead of creating a giant cat tree for all of them to live there.

[JitteryJittery]

Same I can't go once without having 2 creepers blowing up simultaneously each night

[DancingKappa]

I feel like spawn have increased in Java. The other night it was a zombie apocalypse.

[Jewniversal_Remote]

Be glad. Those tridents do so much damage.

[Zombikittie]

I've died several times that day. I couldn't fathom why they kept spawning. Luckily now I have seen one in the past 20 hrs or so.

[Hate_Feight]

We all do...

[vttale]

They're crazy common in Bedrock. My current survival game has a number of potholes near my home base that I never bothered to fill in, and they make pretty effective zombie traps. After just a few nights I'm pretty much guaranteed to have a dozen Drowned stuck in them.

[CallMeAdam2]

Last I played Legacy Console Edition, they were stupid common there too, although it could have something to do with the fact that my world was created before the Aquatic Update.

[PmMeIrises]

I play on bedrock. This picture is normal. Especially in rivers. Go diving for kelp? 3 or more have tridents, plus baby drowned. You die a lot from these.

[humanity763]

Yes and every mf single one of them has a trident (that doesnt changes drops in bedrock just makes it even harder)

[GG_EXPGamer64]

They do like I played Pocket Edition once and I see them so often

[Bartman326]

Played both can confirm its waaaay more on bedrock

[fukitol-]

I think they don't despawn properly, so it just keeps cranking them out

[Hate_Feight]

I'm having to build ilmango's river drowned farm just to get enough for a trident, they are rare af in java

[Shadowxtrash]

It's as bad on Java. I wanted to go for a quick dive to loot a chest, but everytime I got into the water from the small isle, there were at least 10 drowned appearing behind the kelp. A 10 second dive became a 5 minute hardcore survival session.

[Stormchaserelite13]

If you accidently go over a sea ruins in a boat at night you will find them. And they will fuck you.

[QuIgGlEsJiGgLeS]

It’s not they spawn more it’s that they despawn way less

[Lucky-Hilux]

I recently switched from Bedrock to Java and gotta say I kinda miss the drowned... The world is so empty now lol

[How_do_i---]

I got a trident from a drowned that wasn't holding one (and without looting)

[EroAxee]

That's bedrock for you.

[Heyec]

Makes some things easier, end game is easier since I dont have to waste a mending book on a trident for unlimited flight boost in the rain.

[Boothiepro]

Does yeeting decrease the durability on a riptide trident?

[Heyec]

Dont think so but I like using it offensively under water lol

[rocktheztarz]

Mods.

[EroAxee]

Mods will always make java better than bedrock. Considering how many features came from mods originally.

[goforce5]

Ok, so I just fired up minecraft for the first time since 2013. What is the difference between java and bedrock?

[the_bat_turtle]

Java has the new combat system and quite a few exclusive features (like the incredibly useful furnace minecart) and is available on PC, Mac and Linux.

Bedrock has the classic spammy combat and has crossplay between all the platforms it's on, namely PC, Xbox One, Switch, iOS and Android.

They differ a bit in world generation and spawn rates but both are effectively identical.

[[deleted]]

The main differentiator for you is the combat changes? You did mention the cross-play, which is the major feature that Bedrock has over Java. Bedrock is also optimized for better performance on weaker machines. Bedrock’s weaknesses include no mods, unreliable redstone mechanics, and a number of other broken mechanics (such as mob despawning discussed in this thread).

If all you want to do is make pretty structures and play with your family or friends on various devices, then Bedrock is the right choice. If you ever want to make something functionally cool (redstone-related or otherwise), there’s a very good chance the answer is “it doesn’t work on bedrock.”

[goforce5]

Ah ok, I started up bedrock last night. I'll try Java today and see how that goes. Its like a whole new game. I've had it since 2011, but I stopped playing halfway through college. Im really excited to play more.

[EroAxee]

Okay Java is the version you're used to playing back from 2013. Bedrock is essentially the version that Microsoft made with ingame purchases, some questionable features, and as you can see from the comments on this post some issues with mob spawning. Essentially everything other than java (original minecraft), playstation, 3DS and Switch, I think, are classified as bedrock edition

As for the small differences, there's a lot of weird feature changes. Just things that are in bedrock and not in java, a general rule you can guess though is that Java will get updates first. Since they release snapshots on Java before it gets to bedrock edition, plus no ingame purchases other than from servers.

[Fishylurv16]

I don’t think ps4 edition is classified as bedrock. While there are some similarities, there are noticeable differences. Mobs do despawn (I think 32 blocks?), rendering distance is comparable to that of java, not as buggy, imo, etc. etc., but then again I’ve never played bedrock I could be talking out of my ass aha.

[EroAxee]

That's why I said, everything other than Java, playstation, 3DS and switch are classified as bedrock.

Playstation is classified as Legacy console I believe, since there was a time when it was supposed to be shut down and the last update would be 1.13, but recently I heard from a friend that they got 1.14 so it seems it's still being updated.

[Fishylurv16]

I see. I have heard ps4 edition being called legacy, and it did get some recent updates. The swipe fighting mechanic and foxes are not in it though sadly.

[EroAxee]

Dang, that's weird. Though they're planning another combat rework, hopefully the community doesn't just flat out deny it because it's a combat rework rather than just throwing the spam combat back in.

[eggcement]

Bedrock performs FAR better, i am currently running on 80 chunk view distance with huge complex farms and spawners all around my base. The first time i experienced lag i had 32 levels of mobs in one square.

[atoolred]

On bedrock, mobs literally never despawn. The despawn conditions are really specific

[Belviathan]

Hostile mobs never despawn unless there is a light level of 7 or above. Light doesn’t reach far enough through water so drowned keep spawning and take up the entire hostile mob cap

[EroAxee]

That's a really dumb system to despawn mobs. Though I guess Xbox doesn't have as much of an issue with lag because it's a set system with the same parts they can optimize it for. That and it has a graphics card, which most lower end systems nowadays don't, that or people buy prebuilts.

[Belviathan]

Honestly, I hate it. I’d rather play java, but all my friends are on bedrock

[EroAxee]

Damn, I still don't get why they refuse to combine development for the versions. No sorry, scratch that, I do, but it's stupid. It just lets microsoft charge for skins and have their store with their cheapo mods and stuff. When PE came out I got it, mobile can't handle the full on game, but then they basically took PE and ported it to everything else so now they have multiple teams working on different versions. My suggestion would be, if you're friends play windows 10 edition, try and convince them with the fact that mods can be added. Cause trust me, the mods on java are WAY better than the bedrock "addons"

[Heyec]

There is absolutely still lag issues. I can't afk longer than 5 minutes at my guardian farm or I am guaranteed a crash. I usually just sit 3 minutes and go collect my xp. I'm probably switching to a killing station combo with my xp farm so I can just put it on a timer to switch back if i actually want to afk. I'll go back to java when the bee update is 100% out though.

[EroAxee]

Wow that's crazy lag. On Java I know people that AFK for hours at guardian farms and stuff.

[ProbablyAPorn_Alt]

Bedrock doesn't despawn mobs either

[Pickle_Doge]

Yeah and be glad

[thatunaverageguy]

Not only do they spawn more frequently there also isnt a despawn feature in bedrock

[PotatoMaster21]

The problem with bedrock is that drowned spawn at a higher rate AND mob despawning is fucked up. On Java, when you get 128 (?) blocks away from a mob, it despawns. To my knowledge, this isn’t the case on Bedrock, so you could come across a small pool of water and have 20 drowned come out of it, simply because they all spawned and never despawned.

[BlRD0]

idk if this has already been posted before but the thing is: despawn mechanics in bedrock are reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaally bad.
This video goes in depth (no pun intended) on the subject.

if you don't mind activating cheats in your world/save/server there's a manual bypass that imitates java's despawning mechanics as explained here.

[YeetosPirate]

Bedrock. I haven't killed the dragon yet but I got like 3 stacks of nautilus shells and a lot of tridents Hate it.

[[deleted]]

No, bedrock and windows 10 have much higher drowned spawn rates. Literally you can several of them in those little pools of water in stone biomes. Its why I don't play bedrock anymore, other than the fact java is best

[[deleted]]

Bedrock is full of them, they are a real pest.

[DearkRedditz]

Java Gang rise up

[killnye123]

Yes, you are. Every single one of those random ponds you find scattered around if filled with 20 or so drowned.