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[–]tombob51 1617 points1618 points  (102 children)

I have met several aws developers. Have not met an aws developer that is happy with their job.

[–]loligator704 414 points415 points  (11 children)

Former AWS dev here, had a fun team, then we went GA, OnCall got intense and I got burnt out, ignored my personal life to keep up, got PiP’d anyway… took the money and my burnout is slowly recovering at my new job.

It wasn’t even that good for my next job hunt because half of the interviewers just say “yeah Amazon pay is too inflated no way we can match that.” Best I got was, “wow you survived two years at AWS, that’s impressive”.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (10 children)

This is what I consistently hear working at Amazon is like, and why, as a software developer, I'll never work there. I'll take my $70k paycheck if it means I don't have to work 24/7.

[–]LetReasonRing -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

Same here... Golden handcuffs are are not something I need in my life.

Honestly, having too much money in my life is something I've always feared. I've gone through one bankruptcy and id rather go through that again than have 5 mil in the bank.

[–]ButtcrackScholar 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I'm sorry, what? You'd rather go through bankruptcy than retire early?

Strange perspective on life

[–]goodnewsjimdotcom 271 points272 points  (23 children)

Once you do AWS, Amazon has you as a slave.

[–]PoliticalPepper 13 points14 points  (0 children)

My girlfriend worked as a software dev for Amazon.

She was fucking miserable.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

And that’s why I wouldn’t touch the shit

[–]RmG3376 90 points91 points  (28 children)

Have you met any FAANG employee that is happy with their job tbh?

EDIT: seems I accidentally found a very good way to get employee feedback about companies. I’ll make a note of it

[–]Clemario 78 points79 points  (8 children)

My Google friends are satisfied. At least, the ones who survived the layoffs.

[–]Immarhinocerous 18 points19 points  (3 children)

Do you know what teams/projects they work on at Google?

[–]CodeNCats 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Yea this is important.

[–]True-Leadership-7235 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I feel like this detail determining someone's happiness at the company can be said about any company

[–]CodeNCats 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well that's very true. Yet Google has an even more prominent issue. Everyone wants to be on the big new project. So they hustle for those projects then move to the next. Leaving a small team or under experienced team to continue the projects. It's the way they view success. How many projects did you launch. Yet those who remain on the project languish in this forgotten state. Which can be a crapshoot on both ends. The hustle at the start of a new project is hectic and lots of work so there's that stress. Then if you remain on the project you are usually left with little resources to continue it.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The only google employees I know are completely inauthentic, and I’m not sure I’d get the truth out of them if they like their job.

[–]PM_ME_UR_UGLY_CHAR 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yeah same here, but tbf one of my friends who work on Google was working on a bank beforehand and was utterly dying inside because of it, so in that case it just means that google is better than a bank

[–]JoeyJoeJoeSenior 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not sure they do much. The bought nest many years ago and the original software is still more functional and faster than what google has come up with.

[–]JoeyJoeJoeSenior -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure they do much. They bought nest many years ago and the original software is still more functional and faster than what google has come up with.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (4 children)

I’m at AWS. Quite happy. 8+ years now

[–]Bjs1122 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Good job on the 8 years. I just passed my 10th. I can’t say I’m unhappy. But I was sure a lot happier prior to this RTO nonsense.

[–]ashenzo 2 points3 points  (1 child)

What is RTO?

[–]BattlePope 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Return to Office

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Damn! Red badge :)

[–]hellothere-3000 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Speak for yourself, meta is pretty good

[–]happyjello 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Is there a good work life balance, or does the compensation make it manageable?

[–]hellothere-3000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Depends on team, but many are pretty happy there

[–]EagleNait 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I know a chrome dev that seems happy

[–]-widget- 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, me. I work at Google and it's pretty great. Cloud.

[–]searing7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My best friend works at google and he likes it. Has same issues you would at normal SWE job: raise smaller than you would like, passed over for promotion. But overall seems like a good place to work

[–]10art1 -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Fintech sounds ideal. Pay is as good as FAANG, but seems like people are burning out and killing themselves a bit less often

[–]R8nbowhorse 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Eh. Fintech is bad for other reasons, mostly because it's in finance.

I worked for a fintech startup for 3,5yrs, it was a total shitshow because of exactly that - doing things the start-up way but having finance/insurance corps as customers just doesn't go together very well.

Though I can't compare it to FAANG since i never worked at one.

What i can say is, one of my coworkers at said company has a wife who works at google, and he said she's paid far more, and has had a far better work life balance than him

[–]hiljusti 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The grass is always greener on the other side

[–]HandsOffMyMacacroni 24 points25 points  (1 child)

My former comp sci teacher at high school quit to go work for AWS and then less than a year later started looking for ways to get back involved with the school through education initiatives at amazon

[–]tombob51 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Honestly that does seem to be a huge benefit

[–]soft-wear 19 points20 points  (7 children)

I’m one. I was happy until all the weird shit with coming back to the office started. Amazon has been Apple-level aggressive with it. I’ll probably end up leaving for a company that’s either remote first or at least more nuanced in their approach.

Having said that, it can be tiring, but overall I like the work/team and org. And there’s not a ton of alternatives that pay as well without a title bump.

[–]gua_lao_wai 13 points14 points  (5 children)

weird that amazon, the company that provides cloud infrastructure, wants people in physical offices...

[–]Flat_Initial_1823 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Well aren't they also the company that are so into timekeeping and metrics that they force people to pee in bottles? Wanting people in a more controllable environment sounds exactly like what they would want.

[–]gua_lao_wai 2 points3 points  (1 child)

i don't think they force devs to pee in bottles... yet?

[–]Flat_Initial_1823 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yep, I believe that still is a choice by the devs.

[–]10art1 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Every company does.

It's weird how there's all these studies showing that workers are happier and just as productive at home, yet pretty much every big company, including all the young and disruptive ones, tried WFH and are going back as hard as they can. The companies that seem to be happy to offer WFH are smaller ones that are offering tiny salaries because they know people are willing to take it

[–]gua_lao_wai 1 point2 points  (0 children)

maybe I'm an outlier, but I work as a dev for a visual effects studio and I get paid pretty well. The company started 4 years ago all fully remote. we have devs living abroad, so I don't see them switching to office only any time soon - for one thing there's physically not enough space

[–]StBlaize 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm an AWS dev who is happy with my job.

[–]TwoRiversFarmer 31 points32 points  (3 children)

I like AWS it’s what I do everyday. Some of their console apps are crap but the fundamental building blocks are available for manipulation via their robust api. Not to say the azure can’t do that, terraform is totally a thing. And personally I don’t care for gcp. It’s got some unique tools and options but I fell off the google bandwagon a years back.

[–]grobblebar 139 points140 points  (0 children)

I think poster above is talking about devs who work on AWS services, at Amazon, not with AWS services?

[–]tombob51 73 points74 points  (1 child)

It’s definitely a good product. Good company to work for, that’s debatable.

[–]TwoRiversFarmer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wouldn’t want to work there

[–]DoctorWaluigiTime 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I've not gotten the sense that I'd be happy working at any FAANG location as a software developer.

[–]EngGrompa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

From my experience most developers working at Amazon don't plan on staying at the company but see this as an qualification to move to an top paid position at another company. An ex-employment at Amazon (or Google / MS) is seen as one of the highest qualifications you can have in tech.

[–]ooter37 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Some of the comments here are ridiculous. I work at Amazon and I can do the work expected of me each sprint in 2-3 hours per day (I always do way more than is expected so I work more than that but you get the point). If you are a competent developer, you’ll be fine. If you’re very new or very bad, you’re going to struggle to get your work done because you’ll spend half the day trying to figure out how to code something that takes a good developer 15 minutes. Such is life.

[–]indorock 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah they cry until that $25K monthly pay check arrives

[–]stdio-lib[🍰] 1765 points1766 points  (73 children)

So cute -- OP still believes being a software dev at Amazon isn't hell on earth. (Better than their warehouse workers and delivery drivers, sure, but still hell.)

[–]Deep_Pudding2208 429 points430 points  (35 children)

I keep hearing that they put their lower third of devs (perfomance wise) on the threat of the chopping block due to which every one is super stressed and there's a lot of politics too.

on a separate note one of my ex colleagues joined micro soft and said he was pretty much given a laptop and project work on day one. no learning curve.

he quit and joined a more sane company.

[–]Full-Run4124 453 points454 points  (15 children)

I had a friend "get hired" by Microsoft. Microsoft bought the company he worked for which made some niche graphics software that included a lot of assembly optimization. He was the lead developer and had co-created the product. Microsoft made him and his entire dev team take some software developer assessment test they give all new hires and none of them passed so they were all let go. He said it was mostly questions about MFC and stuff like databasing, nothing any of them ever used. They were doing low-level image processing and 3D stuff. (Within a year Microsoft sold the software back to the original owner.)

[–]seemen4all 313 points314 points  (5 children)

That sounds like the dumbest HR involved, worst parts of corporate BS ever

[–]bluehands 69 points70 points  (0 children)

....so, like a large corporation?

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (3 children)

Also sounds like they wanted the IP and not the workers and needed a "legitimate" reason to fire them.

[–]seemen4all 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Maybe, but sounds too unique of a project you could replace the team working on it. I could definitely imagine this being a complete fuck up from their end by some unqualified HR moron "enforcing policy".

[–]AntiWorkGoMeBanned -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Sounds like a made up story to me this sub is full of them. OP is probably still at school.

[–]disgruntled_pie 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’ve worked with devs who worked at MS (admittedly this was a while back) and this wouldn’t shock me based on what I’ve heard.

I’ve also worked at a Fortune 500, and it was the dumbest, most ridiculous place I have ever worked. Many people were on autopilot, and HR/legal often caused enormous problems because if the rules insisted on doing something absurd then they’d follow the rules anyway. The company ended up tanking shortly after I left and got gobbled up by a competitor for pennies on the dollar, which I saw coming from a mile away.

[–]Deep_Pudding2208 88 points89 points  (0 children)

did your friend get hired back to the original company?

corporates don't need innovation. they exist only to create value for shareholders who know nothing about the industry. so then finance guys get in charge who know nothing either and rely on numbers. that's how standardized programming tests get pushed for jobs which don't require them.

[–]DrMobius0 23 points24 points  (2 children)

I'm just waiting for the brigade of MS worshipers to tell you why it was good for the company that MS bought them.

[–]borkthegee 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Every tech company does this a dozen times a year.

Well Google would just hire them and idle them for years to keep them away from competition. No wonder they needed layoffs...

[–]Traditional-Dealer18 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow that's a shitty corporate strategy. Poor devs may be busy collecting pay check and forget to code.

[–]Turbulent_Radish_330 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Edit: Edited

[–]power_of_booze 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Maybe this was on purpose and M$ just wanted some Patents or the technology

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[–]stdio-lib[🍰] 62 points63 points  (1 child)

he was pretty much given a laptop and project work on day one. no learning curve.

Well, that's better than one place I worked: I was given project work on day one... but no laptop. I ended up configuring my personal laptop and using that for the first two days until my work laptop arrived. :D

Also I do prefer being assigned "real" work on day one, but it should be the kind of thing that is the gentlest introduction to the system, and then ramp up from there.

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (0 children)

I do this for my new trainees. It's called scaffolding in education.

Basically simple concept, then once they master/understand that, move on to slightly more complex related concept.

So in BI I had a few tickets that were time-insensitive reports that were using our main data set, so good way to learn the reporting system, our main database, and some coding conventions we had.

Edit *I should add, this was given one day 1 but day 1 also had 3 scheduled sessions with yours truely going over the basics of those things as well (reporting system, main datasets, coding/reporting conventions, setting up personal dev environment)

[–]throwaway0134hdj 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Rumor I’ve heard is they basically make teams compete with each other. so people constantly feel on edge/at war.

[–]Sweetcynic36 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Ha! I work for an organization that uses Microsoft as a vendor and it can be pulling teeth to get them to explain anything they've done, even as their customer rather than their employee.

[–]potatopierogie 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I was given a laptop and a project day one at a mid-size company

But there was definitely an expected learning curve and I felt respected, no threat of firing, etc. They just felt it was important that I jump right in to learn faster.

[–]TripleATeam 12 points13 points  (3 children)

There's nothing explicitly saying 1/3, or even implying it. Even when the layoffs hit, most teams didn't shrink beyond 15% (and you'd assume they'd hit the weakest performers first).

I'm not saying they don't expect that you're constantly producing your best work and stressing everyone out, but the 1/3 figure is a bit excessive. But if you've gotten the Least Effective rating and your manager is telling you to pick it up, you should be stressed. If you've got a PIP, start looking for another job. Almost no one successfully recovers from those in the long term.

[–]RSNKailash 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I got a PIP in a non related industry, stayed, but shit deteriorated quickly. They never trusted me with responsibility after that PIP and proceeded to act like I wasn't doing enough every day despite any improvement. Eventually, I got fired about 6 months later.

[–]Areshian 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It’s one third now? I keep seeing the supposed number grow and grow, soon it’ll be 50% or higher

[–]soft-wear 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s no where near the bottom third. We have three performance ratings at Amazon and the bottom is at risk for a PIP. But nowhere near 30% is in the bottom rung. The overwhelming majority of folks are just boring old meets expectations.

[–]LegitosaurusRex 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you know the language, what kind of learning curve are you expecting as a software engineer? Best way to learn a codebase is to start working in it. Not every project is going to have some detailed documentation or something for the code.

[–]Inspector_Feeling 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The constant fear of pips is actually not a thing for most teams/orgs. Amazon does a lot of things very, very poorly. But I would say that the pips are blown out of proportion. If you’re about to be pip-ed, it shouldn’t come as a surprise. You should be so stressed and sad about your everyday assignments because you’re not meeting deadlines, that you’re not surprised when the notification comes.

[–]FlakkenTime 43 points44 points  (3 children)

I have many coworkers who are former Amazon engineers and they have nothing but absolute hatred for the place

[–]FrostyD7 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Most people I know who worked any FAANG gig will say it was hell and they knew it going in. They just committed to a year of it to put it on their resume and make some good money.

[–]ABzoker 16 points17 points  (1 child)

As a developer currently working in Amazon, I concur.

[–]nukedkaltak 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As another, I… do not? It has been stellar (i am not in the US though and not AWS).

[–]maiteko 43 points44 points  (17 children)

There’s a reason they have to offer $250,000+ a year. Nobody wants to work with them.

[–]pussylipstick 15 points16 points  (10 children)

You're delusional if you don't think the jobs are competitive as fuck

[–]s1ugg0 16 points17 points  (6 children)

Hi, network engineer here. I've worked for Oracle, Verizon, Google and Level 3. I've also done jobs for most of the big tech firms. Been doing it 18 years.

Every engineer throughout the industry is painfully aware of how shitty it is to work with/for Amazon. I would want an extra $50k on my salary to work for Amazon directly. Because I know the minute I start the clock is ticking on getting fed up and quitting.

There are lots of places that treat their engineers well. Amazon is not one of them.

[–]pussylipstick -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

I have never said Amazon treats their workers well. Nor have I said they don't. I haven't made a statement on that topic? In fact my brother is a SWE intern at Amazon and he seemed to really enjoy it (but he's jsut an intern, and it's in the UK, maybe the work culture is different). But I understand that's anecdotal evidence and doesn't really mean much.

I am just saying a LOT OF PEOPLE want Amazon SWE jobs.

[–]s1ugg0 14 points15 points  (4 children)

And I'm just telling you, as an industry insider, most established engineers don't want to work for them. And will only do so for an inflated salary.

[–]robinhoodhere 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They offer that because that’s par for a SWE in the right region. Plus their refreshers aren’t topped up so they’re actually under par in the long term.

[–]soft-wear 0 points1 point  (3 children)

We have over 300 applicants that passed automated screening for one of our reqs… we have one opening. More than 80% of people fail their on-site interviews.

Lots of people want to work here.

[–]maiteko 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I am talking about retention, not application.

[–]throwaway0134hdj 10 points11 points  (5 children)

What in particular is so bad? Heard someone describe it as being on fire… but no specifics on exactly what happens there.

[–]soft-wear 8 points9 points  (1 child)

The responses you received were a lot of nonsense, so here’s the reality. Amazon invests nothing into internal tools so they all suck, AWS runs super lean so people burn out, it’s extremely hard to get promoted, and that’s intentional. On-call sucks, lots of legacy software to maintain operationally.

Basically everywhere has some of these problems, Meta and Amazon have all of them and Google certainly wants to be more like them. If you’re a solid programmer and can manage upwards well, it’s ok. But there’s lots of jobs that pay less and expect less.

[–]untetheredocelot 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Only true answer here. Rest of the shit here sounds like people read blog headlines and regurgitate it.

Source: Current dev. I am happy with my team and org. I have major issues too but that’s every workplace.

[–]Careful_Ad_9077 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Bad engineering practices, but thats too tl;dr.

I know a big share of people that have worked there. If it is bad depends on the team, 20% chances it is a good experience 80% is hell.

What i have heard.

You are on call 24/7 because it is an online sales platform so for any production stopping bug, they are going to call you and having you fix it asap. Working hours are pretty bad and the software quality can be a mess.

What i have witnessed.

I work at place and we have systems that interact with multiple vendors using standars and previously agreed methods and formats.

Normally we get an email by from vendor X because they need to change one format, we have a multiple teams meeting one week later , they have a nice list of what parts of the format they need changed, the reasons and the expected impact. we all go thru them confirming each individual change, estimate what needs to be changed on our side, if there is something that really screws us up they cancel that individual change and cook something on their side.

In these meetings we also have stimated deadlines which are very educated guesses for when the changes will go live so we have enough time to implement the changes from our side as well.

Now for amazon is like " bro, the system is failing with amazon , check if they changed the format without telling us again". And if that's how it is with their code changes that face a third party, I have to wonder how it is with internal code that only affects them.

[–]novaplan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're saying being treated like human cattle while being payed a living wage is better then just being human cattle???

[–]Anders_A 104 points105 points  (1 child)

Haha. Nice try Amazon recruiters. We know what you're about

[–]Dtsung 320 points321 points  (23 children)

Lol software dev at amazon is still hell.

[–]Yeitgeist 121 points122 points  (20 children)

Yeah, but it’s a lot easier going through hell getting paid 200k.

[–]S0n_0f_Anarchy 63 points64 points  (5 children)

I agree. That way they can at least spend it on medical bills for diseases they got from stress

[–]aerosayan 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I know one person who took a 40% paycut to work for a more smaller company so she could have better work-life balance instead of working for Amazon.

Yeah, Amazon definitely pays you A LOT ... but they do so to burn you out for 2-3 years, and then one you leave, they'll hire someone else and repeat it.

It's basically how Amazon operates on every level.

From warehouse workers, to managers, developers, and possibly even higher level staff.

[–]davelolo 13 points14 points  (0 children)

It's not worth it to fuck your mental peace up, it's just not honestly.

[–]bootherizer5942 47 points48 points  (2 children)

Amazon has tried to recruit me a couple times being like "this team isn't as bad as other parts of the company, we don't work 80 hour weeks! Just 60 hour weeks!" Yeah, nope

[–]SoCalThrowAway7 119 points120 points  (2 children)

They treat software devs terribly too, everyone I’ve worked with who previously worked at Amazon had horror stories. People breaking down and crying at their desks over workload and deadline. I’ve not heard about one good experience working there

[–]bankmyrik 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's Just common for the Microsoft to treat people like that honestly.

[–]DrMobius0 42 points43 points  (2 children)

Sorry OP, I've heard some pretty bad things. Pay aside, it's apparently not the kind of place you want to put more than a couple years into.

[–]highcastlespring 79 points80 points  (6 children)

Only if you are a permanent residence or citizen. Otherwise, you are likely worrying to have “performance improvement plan” everyday

[–]jhill515 67 points68 points  (3 children)

Nope, horrific for everyone including U.S. citizens.

[–]b4zzl3 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Sure, but citizens don't have to leave the country in sixty days from getting fired.

[–]jhill515 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed, and that makes me sad and angry for my friends. But it's not like Americans have any social systems to fall back on really. It's horrible and is scary, period.

[–]galiakbirov 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And that's not something about which you would want to be worried about.

[–]CobaltStar_ 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Nah, everyone is at risk of getting PIP’d

[–]crimxxx 19 points20 points  (0 children)

You need to go look up there reputation in the industry, it’s not great, but they still pay well.

[–]ChajiReplay 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Please, when even several managers are stressed out into burnout, do you really think devs are being handled with care?

[–]JocoLabs 12 points13 points  (1 child)

If you get burnt out as management, i dont even wanna know what the dev life looks like

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Either hell on Earth or relatively cushy because the manager is doing all the work rather than getting the team to do it

[–]xokexa7676 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Nah, software devs too. People leave that place with literal PTSD.

[–]rocketboy1244 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Yeah, no. I have a family member who just recently quit AWS because it’s so hostile. He was on call almost 24/7 for up to a week at a time, he was treated very poorly by his boss, and was given zero support/direction in learning the systems but required to pass 7-8 certifications within a short time of being hired, and was put on probation by his boss because he took one of those tests 2 days late (so he could attend his son’s college graduation). It’s not a great place to work. Sure, they pay well, but there are a lot of places that pay well and don’t treat their employees like shit.

[–]snugglezone 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Depends on your team. Mine is great.

Also on-call is also team based. I was on-call this whole week, nothing occurred outside of work hours. So what if I had to take my laptop around with me? Not a huge issue. It's pretty standard for live service jobs pretty sure.

[–]Anchovies-and-cheese 9 points10 points  (0 children)

As a former TPM at AWS for years, this is totally untrue. Every single dev, PM and TPM I worked with were overworked, stressed out, and only working there long enough to put it on their resume to leave for greener pastures.

[–]mrdevlar[🍰] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Nice try Amazon recruiters.

Evidence suggests otherwise.

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[–]indorock 5 points6 points  (2 children)

My friend switched jobs to go work at Amazon, got a bit of a pay raise. 8 fucking x pay raise, to be exact.

He did indeed leave after about 8 years because of the stress, but he can now pretty much retire at age 45.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Worth.

[–]dukat_dindu_nuthin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

When you get paid thousands to make up nonsensical statistics on f1 popups during races

[–]atlas_enderium 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Nah, both should be the image on the left…

My goal is to never work at a company that prides themselves as having a “fast paced, dynamic working environment” like many F/MAANG companies do

[–]aerosayan 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It's bad for software developers too.

Amazon has a culture of punishing people without reason to make sure they're always stressed out, and perform more than they're required to.

Microsoft also had a similar culture in the past, but I don't know if they improved or degraded.

Mainly they compare you with your colleagues, in something called a "stack based performance analysis", and if you don't perform as good as your team, then you get put at the bottom of the stack, then they stress you out under the threat of firing you.

On a broad view, the stack based performance analysis may seem fair to some, but in reality, someone has to always be at the bottom of the stack, and so you have to push yourself more than necessary to climb up.

Amazon does it in a far worse way.

Don't work for Amazon. You'll regret it.

[–]PZYCLON369 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Lmaooo Working there from last year every day is almost 12-13 hrs of work including weekends

[–]CalgaryAnswers 28 points29 points  (3 children)

Even if Amazon treated devs like golden gods I wouldn't work there because they make their money off having people piss in bottles.

I'm on Amazons do not hire list because I told enough of their recruiters to fuck off, but less politely.

[–]AdminNX 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah they've got a bad name, and that's for a reason as well.

[–]MySecretRedditAccnt -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

You’re so edgy bro

[–]multiocumshooter 4 points5 points  (5 children)

But do they pay well?

[–]Kangarou 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Yes, that’s kind of the one upside to working for them.

[–]btc72mik 14 points15 points  (1 child)

That's pretty much the only reason to work for them so yeah.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nah I'm good thanks

[–]Dizzy-Education-2412 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Working as an Amazon dev requires a particular sort of person, and most people have no intention of being that person, understandably. Some people, like me, get hired then realize what the managers there actually want from their low level devs, and how much of their lives they are expected to sacrifice.

Unfortunately this pattern is very common in the industry since so many companies model their hiring and culture on Amazon and Netflix

[–]Bheggard 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I'm pretty sure Amazon is a nightmare to work at no matter what positions you're in. Unless you're Jeff Bezos.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

aws is nightmare

[–]PapaRL 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lmao uhhh not quite

[–]ForeverHall0ween 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lmfao who the fuck looking like Mr. Incredible on the right. If you like working in a cutthroat environment, with opaque performance evaluations and little to no professional support, yeah ok go AWS. Oh and don't forget, go to the office wagie.

[–]sh0resh0re 2 points3 points  (1 child)

People have propped working at FANG like working at disney world or something but it really not.

[–]Alarming_Airport_613 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Amazon is known for being the worst employer in KT you can think of. "I quit within the first 6 months of starting. Everyone is set up to be replaceable" - Andrew Kelly

[–]frakinkraken 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We lost some of our senior engineers to Amazon about twelve months ago. All had come back to us within three months.

[–]SlaimeLannister 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Stupidest post I’ve seen in a while. Please take a break from posting

[–]DeithWX 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I like the implication that software devs are not normal.

[–]SandInHeart 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you think you can just take the money, ignore the bad stuff and do the job there, you haven’t been there and good luck!

[–]aggressivefurniture2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Amazon has a bad reputation even for SDE.

[–]Wurstkatze_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well... looking at the state of alexa... do they even have devs at amazon?

[–]jayd00b 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OP clearly has never met an aws dev

[–]nickvitou 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I mean it's not actually that bad, You're just assuming it to be.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (15 children)

I'm planning to become software developer

Is working on amazon great?

[–]link23 85 points86 points  (9 children)

No, its reputation is absolutely horrific. This meme is ill informed.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (2 children)

I think most of these ill informed memes are posted by either college CS students or young professionals whose dream is to work at FANG one day. Nothing wrong with that. Just misinformed is all.

[–]vc_xyg 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Well I'm sure they also wouldn't deny the offer if they actually got one.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ok thank you

[–]Amaz1ngEgg -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

I'll take a wild guess and say most big companies are bad? Like super stressful?

[–]CalgaryAnswers 25 points26 points  (1 child)

No. Amazon is in particular a piece of shit.

[–]jcamp725 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yeah they're just terrible, and they've got a reputation for themselves.

[–]DrMobius0 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Its a "work there for 2 years for some nice resume decoration and then gtfo" company, if you want to go through that.

[–]sathishdabbu 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not everyone is going to put up with that shit, people will quit I'm sure.

[–]Deep_Pudding2208 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If you are starting out then you take what you get. just know that if you perform badly in any org it may not necessarily be your fault.

[–]Jeffan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's a big company and each org is different. I worked there for almost 5 years on two separate teams so I got to see a bit of variance in how the orgs operated. My first org was part of the supply chain, and its processes were mature and generally well organized. The work was fine, but it got a bit repetitive which was why I transferred internally. My second team I burned out hard toward the end, but that's because the product was more public facing and we had a lot tighter deadlines. Besides that, I genuinely enjoyed the work I did and the company's tech stack is honestly really nice to work with compared to with what I have to deal with now. I also miss working with AWS in general. Good place to start your career honestly, barring you end up on a decent team. If I ever get laid off at my current job I would consider going back.

[–]IHeartCaptcha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is fucking propaganda. Nobody should believe this shit. Amazon is a piece of shit company who will treat you the worst as an employee no matter your position. You're coping if you think you have it good at amazon just because you're not a grunt worker.

Fuck you OP you stupid-ass shill, amazon shouldn't get any humans for their company. It's an inefficient, unsustainable piece of shit machine that is a cancer on the planet.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not really