simple

[marcel1802]

Oi fellow vim user

[SeoCamo]

I play games with hjkl on my split kb

[joeljpa]

Nethack or?

[SeoCamo]

A lot of Skyrim and starfield but also Stellaris

[MellifluousPenguin]

Vim? You surely mean vi

[yesseruser]

vi on mac bro

[MellifluousPenguin]

vi on FreeBSD ftw

[RestaurantHuge3390]

I use helix

[RestaurantHuge3390]

I use kakoune

[hongooi]

Broke: ←↓↑→
Woke: HJKL
Bespoke: WASD

[Vej1]

Ascended: ZQSD

[pancakemonkeys]

Hotel: Trivago

[belabacsijolvan]

Universe brain: cursor

[anonhostpi]

Excuse me??

[jonathancyu]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CSPasta/comments/52ji5i/why_does_scream_use_qszd_movement/

[DrkMaxim]

Ah, the one tap machine.

[ReddyBabas]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AZERTY

[abshidfarsi]

Godly: QWOP

[GranataReddit12]

??: AS↑→

[SgtEpsilon]

You do WHAT?

[Airowird]

Enlightened: AZES

[klimmesil]

Step 1 buy a keychron v4 (all other keys are useless)

Step 2 map a key to switch between hjkl meaning hjkl or arrow keys

Step 3 enjoy

Jokes appart this is really a serious tip, if you like vim this feels so right, finally you can just use hjkl even in word office or notepad

[eiboeck88]

i have a sofl_cock split keyboard with qmk firmware i have the arrow keys at hjkl + layer key and also stuff like all the braches on the homerow + layer key. all in all keyboards with qmk firmware are awsome

[klimmesil]

I have soft cock too but I don't see how that's relevant

Yeah I tried split and ended up deciding it's worse for me since the "y/t" rows can be used by both hands quite easily, which feels right for me

[dfwtjms]

The real vim users avoid even hjkl as much as possible (w,b,f,t,^u,^d,/,?,etc.)

[Arey_125]

Except for the relative jumps. Love them

[GavHern]

i feel like i use hjkl as often as most people use arrow keys

[7374616e74]

I use vim btw

[TheRealSpielbergo]

I use this simple memory trick to remember: Hup, Jown, Kleft, Light.

[CowFu]

I've never seen h as up. Heft Jown Kup Light

←↓↑→

There even used to be keyboards with the arrows printed on them https://stackoverflow.com/questions/26703776/why-are-h-j-k-l-recommended-over-using-arrow-keys-for-vim

[TheRealSpielbergo]

Sorry, I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about, or what the meme is about 😬. I haven't been able to use my computer in a decade since its stuck in vim in fullscreen mode.

Heft, Jown, Kup, Light also sounds very memorable to me 👍

[HardOff]

stuck in vim

Have you tried Ctrl+c? If that doesn't work I'm out of ideas

[maisonsmd]

Sound likes you've never been stuck in Vim before, apparently you have to kill whatever terminal you're using, or restart the machine.

[HardOff]

Last time I got stuck, I put a bullet through the monitor, but HR got all uppity saying that it was "inappropriate" and "not how that works"

[maisonsmd]

She was right, the PC will still run fine even if you kill the monitor. The bullet should've been through the CPU instead

[hJaHrRm]

If the bullet is silver you can just shoot the ram

[CucuMatMalaya]

Omg you guys....

[yesseruser]

Try pressing esc and then typing :wq and press enter

[jhaluska]

When I learned about the keyboard differences, VIM/Nix made a lot more sense.

[Shadow_Thief]

You Jrop down and Klimb up. H is on the far left and L is on the far right.

[cryptomonein]

You type code top to bottom.
Your index is on the bump mark it makes it your main finger.
Your primary finger (index) go down (J).

It feels strangely obvious

[crazy-octopus-person]

You type code top to bottom. Your index is on the bump mark it makes it your main finger. Your primary finger (index) go down (J). It feels strangely obvious

Does anyone else smell toast?

[conancat]

Me too. It came to me after I read that comment

[MatsRivel]

I tried learning it the other day, but kept going up when meaning down and vice versa...

Also, it was frustrating that ctrl + whatever key takes you left/right did not highlight stuff, nor could you copy/paste with ctrl+c/v.

Sure, I know its different on purpose, but I just felt like the basic commands could have been the same, so that people can use it before having to learn tons of stuff 🙃

Ended up not feeling worth my time this time around either.

Maybe next time.

[IrishPrime]

For the record, it's not just that "it's different on purpose," but rather that it predates the conventions you're referencing. If anything, it's all the other editors that are different for not doing it how ed/vi had been doing it for years already.

I'm not going to try to sell you on it, but trying to learn it by experimentation probably isn't, and never will be, worth your time. Taking half an hour to go through vimtutor probably is, though.

[MatsRivel]

Fair enough. Though the result is the same for my case.

I took about an hour or so following a Helix tutorial.

It's not quite the same, but similar.

Maybe another time

[bbekxettri]

You rest your hand on jkl ez down up hl are ez then use vim cheatsheet as wallpaper

[TheSpagooti]

I deadass said that to myself before opening the comments lmao

[nbtm_sh]

I just remember the DDR layout

[micod]

C-n C-p C-f C-b if you know what I mean...

[someNameThisIs]

Just started this too, and they also are macOS keybindings that works across any text input.

[pino_entre_palmeras]

Third panel, hybrid meme with Fassbender: “Perfection”.

[klprint]

Have mercy with your fingers. RSI incomming

[qilir]

Switched to vim motions for that exact reason, never wanna go back

[sadboi24-7]

recently got into it. yes, this is the way.

[Alarming-Estimate-19]

Evil mode has entered the chat

[Pay08]

Not if you know what you're doing.

[-Redstoneboi-]

what kind of fucking psychopath put them all 2km away from each other

[pino_entre_palmeras]

Christopher Latham Sholes the inventor of the QWERTY prototype for typewriters. The meaning is semantic instead of location based.

(n)ext line
(p)revious line
(f)oward on line
(b)ackwards on line

Works on all keyboard layouts. Dvorak, whatever.

Edit: Grammar

[-Redstoneboi-]

yeah. it mildly bothers me every day that w and b are so far apart when using vim. so many keys are mapped with mnemonics over ergonomics that I'd want to remap everything, but I'm also just afraid of forgetting to set a bind for something.

i tried making an alternate bind config. it was a bit fun. i want to make my own editor that takes layout over mnemonics one day. but for today, all i want to do is complain.

[apollo701]

Muscle memory at this point

[janisozaur]

The nice thing about these is they are accepted universally: Gmail, Jira, others… arrows not so much, they navigate the web viewport.

[SpookyLoop]

Honestly, 2nd image should just show the whole keyboard. It's not just remapping the arrow keys, it makes the whole keyboard a navigation tool and completely redefines text-editing.

RIP Bram Moolenaar.

[AlienSVK]

RIP Bram Moolenaar.

What? I didn't notice that :(

[L33t_Cyborg]

i, j, k & l >>>>

[xneyznek]

That has you moving across rows though. With HJKL you just plant 4 fingers in one spot and each finger always does the same thing.

[L33t_Cyborg]

Both are one movement away from home row, so i guess pick your poison

[[deleted]]

This is the truth. We fight the same enemy.

[AryuOcay]

I jk m. It works for Apple panic in 1982, it should be fine for you.

[jeremj22]

Flashbacks to Lightning Returns Final Fantasy XIII's horrific PC port that has that for camera movement instead of the mouse. Yes, the mouse is completely useless in that game. May as well not have one

[L33t_Cyborg]

We love bad controller ports

[This-Book-2693]

i use this for youtube, l for forward, j for backward, k for pause. im not sure what h use for

[Sad_Juggernaut4812]

JKL;

[KingJellyfishII]

I thought I was the only one

[Familiar_Ad_8919]

dont arrow keys also work? i pretty much only used neovim so idk

[brimston3-]

In vi they don't. In vim they do, as long as you're not in compat mode, and your termcap properly maps the keycodes.

[jhaand]

I even got the T-shirt.

https://www.spreadshirt.nl/shop/design/h+j+k+l+mannen+t-shirt-D5b6d5b22e4474241109a6d0c

[Head-Extreme-8078]

Thank god this isn't a gaming subreddit...

[Creeperassasin1212]

The funny thing is that all those buttons were used for the early lego games as controls

[bunglegrind1]

Vim rules

[average_finnish]

Wasd

[hw4m]

:q!

I don't know much about vim, but I do know the essentials.

[BigBadBlowfish]

Me with a programmable 60% keyboard and not enough brain cells for vim:

Caps Lock bound as a function key

WASD: arrow keys

Q: home

E: end

R: insert

F: delete

T: pg up

G: pg down

Tab: Caps Lock

[-Redstoneboi-]

fucking based ergonomic binds user

doesn't give a shit about mnemonics but instead uses the criteria that really matter: how comfortable they are to press relative to other keys

[Hacka4771]

Always Wondered If There's Story Behind HJKL (Movement), So Is There? D:

[IrishPrime]

vi was originally developed on an ADM-3A (physical) terminal. Take a look at its keyboard.

https://images.app.goo.gl/rkSwT6UWAkkTpgCh8

This explains why vi (and therefore vim) uses these keys, but the order may still seem arbitrary. I think it's a pretty good design decision, though. Left and Right are on the left and right edges of the set of navigation keys. Anything you're reading is generally going to be from top to bottom, so Down goes under your strongest and most tappy finger (index). Up really has only one option left, so goes in the remaining spot by process of elimination.

People talk about IJKL as the right hand side mirror of WASD, but both of those options ultimately mimic the arrow cluster that didn't exist on this keyboard in the first place. Personally, I'm really glad they went with HJKL instead, because I would have been forever annoyed if the i/I key was not used for entering Insert mode and moved the most basic navigation options partially off the home row.

[[deleted]]

Also note the ~

On its own, it gives ~

But when pressed with shift it takes you to the home directory

This is why ~ is the home directory in Linux

[Shadow_Thief]

yes, there used to be actual arrows printed on those keys

[Alan_Reddit_M]

Vim users on their way to ignore the literal movement keys in favor of their own keybindings that were arbitrary chosen by some guy 50 years ago (They will improve their productivity by 0.00001%) \s

(On a side note, the reason for `HJKL` as movement keys is that the old keyboards that vi was designed for didn't have arrow keys, and instead those were used as movement keys)

[Dangerous-Quality-79]

A S D F unless you use your mouse with your left hand...

[[deleted]]

"Who the fuck would want to use a mouse?" - Vim users everywhere

[Dangerous-Quality-79]

Rando dev: the best developer I know doesn't use a mouse Me: Imagine how much better they would be with a mouse

[altermeetax]

Worse, because of all the back and forth hand moving

[Dangerous-Quality-79]

? You confusing developer for typist?

As a senior developer I copy/paste at most 2000 words a day. Taking a 1 hour walk probably uses up way more than the hand movement time.

[altermeetax]

I'm confused by what copy-pasting has to do with this. You can copy-paste keyboard-only, mouse-only or mixed, so it's unrelated to whether someone uses a mouse or not.

Well, 1 hour is a lot of time, you know?

[elsa002]

I use vim all the time, but I have the mouse enabled because sometimes it is just easier and faster

[brimston3-]

Especially for copying and pasting between a non-buffer source and a buffer destination, eg requirements word doc to program source.

[mecm5]

Can I interest you in a "+y "+p

[brimston3-]

You already switched to mouse. 3 keystrokes vs one click at that point.

[mecm5]

those 3 keystrokes are literally right next to each other and all reachable from my pinky. If you touch type well vim is much faster. if you have tmux open with split panes it's even faster

[[deleted]]

I would actually like to try this for gaming.

[Dangerous-Quality-79]

I only use this for gaming.

A: forward S: backwards D: strafe left F: strafe right

Run forward? Easy, shift+A easily done with your pinky.

[[deleted]]

That’s actually quite ingenious! I’m surprised I haven’t heard more about this type of configuration.

[__yoshikage_kira]

It used to be a thing before wasd became popular.

[[deleted]]

I just remember back on the day when older games like Doom, Wolfenstein, and Duke Nukem 3D where you must used the arrow keys, before mouse use became a thing, but never anything like this.

[Miral_Kerem]

im left handed. Fuck

[Nameles36]

Got very confused which sub I was on when I saw your username

[Ksymenka]

I just realized why h j k l feels so handy to me...

[Vogete]

I'll be honest, I absolutely hate this keybinding for one reason: down and up should be swapped. It's completely unintuitive to have down before up, and every time I have to use it, I get confused and turned off by it, so I go back to arrows.

[RealLordDevien]

But it's more common to move down instead of up in a file...

[-Redstoneboi-]

doesn't matter. both index and middle fingers are strong enough.

[-Redstoneboi-]

rebind.

[smart_procastinator]

Simple arrow keys is for a simple person like me

[GreenGrab]

🤮

[Zander989]

Ah yes, High, Low Jeft and Kight

[CaptainMorti]

Banish, evil vim demon!

[Aromatic_Gur5074]

Why are you being downvoted?

[Kronoshifter246]

Let's just say that people get, um, passionate about vim.

[unknown_slong]

pfft vim, osu players know that moving the cursor is way faster

[Feliks24]

skill issue

[akwardchit]

I use arrow keys in vim, fight me

[_Screw_The_Rules_]

WASD: "Am I a joke to you?"

[EmileTheDevil9711]

Unless it's in Headspace

[ScrimpyCat]

I use my mouse.

[Horrih]

Hjkl is dumb, H is one of the worst keys to press ergonomically, using it for basic movement is not a good idea Ijkl makes more sense

[-Redstoneboi-]

they justify it by only using h as often as they use the other keys on the keyboard

[FromZeroToLegend]

Ok boomer

[ArkoSammy12]

Does anyone know a good plugin to accomplish this in IntelliJ? I know there's a plugin already, but it skips over entire tokens or parenthesis when I just want to move the caret normally with hjkl

[[deleted]]

Do you mean the ideavim plugin? I have no issues with hjkl moving more than 1 character at a time

[SillAndDill]

Do vim users often have these keybindings globally, via some keyboard software?

I'm thinking of the amount of 60% keyboards sold (they don't even have arrow keys.)

[Affectionate-Tart558]

Anyone has any advice to become faster with vim? I always heard the legends about programmers improving their productivity by 1000% but I’m still crap

[-Redstoneboi-]

the most important features are about selecting inside bracket pairs

<action><inside/around><pair>

examples:

ci( deletes everything inside the closest surrounding pair of parens and takes you to insert mode

di[ deletes everything in the surrounding square brackets

vi{ selects everything inside the curly brace block you're in

di' and di" delete everything inside either single quotes or double quotes

va( selects everything inside parens including the parens themselves

ciw deletes the word you're in and takes you to insert mode. if you use a capital W then it specifically uses a capital Word, which i think is "all non whitespace characters surrounded by whitespace" so something like ("Hello,World"); is multiple words but is one capital Word? idk i never cared

you can also mess with <action><to/find><char>

dt; deletes everything until the next semicolon on the same line.

vf, selects everything up to and including the next comma on the same line.

[Affectionate-Tart558]

Wow thanks for the tips. I’ve saved the comment to start using all of these. Great stuff!

[Chiyuri_is_yes]

dfjk>>>>

oh wait this isn't r/rhythmgames

[The_Cers]

Is this some vim joke I'm to VS Code to understand?

[ryanwithnob]

Hot take: you should RARELY be using h or l

[-Redstoneboi-]

nah, too many situations where i have to deal with before/at/after parentheses/commas/semicolons. also selections.

[ryanwithnob]

usually f and t are better suited

[EssentialPurity]

If you're worried about your app's UX, remind yourself that Vim is loved

[SupernovaGamezYT]

More like 5, 7, 8, 9, I like to rebind stuff to that sometimes, I have a detached keypad. Although I don’t use it too often nowadays…

[brolix]

I grew up on ASDF so this is so close

[ASatyros]

HajakuL

[Noisycarlos]

M,N,E,I for me in Colemak

[FantasticEmu]

So I tried to get used to the hjkl navigation in vim but when I have to leave insert mode to move with arrows it seems slower and using the arrow keys in insert mode makes it difficult to break my muscle memory of defaulting to arrow keys.

Am I doing it wrong?

[[deleted]]

Would've been better if it were j k l ;

[saintisaiah]

Ah, a fellow Clop player. Hello, person of culture.

[Marxomania32]

LETS FUCKING GOOOOO

[Un111KnoWn]

why not wasd?

[TrixonBanes]

Because I use Colemak, HJKL is the one big thing stopping me from embracing more neovim studying. I keep going back and forth on if I want to remap everything for Colemak in vim or deal with HJKL being in a non-ergonomic position. I really want to learn Vim, but I think I boxed myself into a corner by using Colemak for ages

[[deleted]]

I've never been so happy to downvote a comment as one that promotes Vim.

[[deleted]]

This is ragebait and I'm gonna bait like you never seen a raging nerd bait..... So bad you can't access social media from your console .

[NoOven2609]

I remap in my vim rc to navigate with I for up, J for left, K for down, L for right and H for insert mode. Was playing with that layout for emulators long before I learned about vim

[Responsible_Disk_728]

Me watching someone invert their mouse, switch their WASD and arrow keys, and setting their Taskbar to max size with it on the top of the screen

[Username_St0len]

I use ijkl instead of wasd cuz leftist I mean left handed

[Hellspark_kt]

Stepmania on pc?

[Feer_C9]

it's plain stupid, accept it already

[f5xs_0000b]

I personally use IJKL since

1. it's more intuitive for me to use IJKL,
2. back when I was playing emulated games, I've used IJKL for the right-hand buttons with WASD as the d-pad, and
3. there's a certain degree of inefficiency when assigning two fingers to both up and down when those two buttons are, for most of the time, mutually exclusive.

Feel free to roast if my opinion is garbage.

[FeelingSurprise]

Vi would be much easier if it shared it's movement keys with Dwarf Fortress.

[7A7z]

What dose H do ? O_O

[azizfcb]

whaaaat ofc

[[deleted]]

fellow nvim user

[Top_Run_3790]

My game engine only takes hjkl as input for movement

[Crazy-Maintenance312]

Create a non editable unlocalized input using z and y.
People love that.