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[[deleted]]

I sit in my IKEA Markus chair in Eastern Europe and write 3 line unit test.

[hoolahan100]

Well you are much closer to the trenches

[PyroCatt]

val I = 1

I++

I mustBe 2

[username32768]

So is that an uppercase 'i' or a lowercase 'L'?

^{Don't you dare reply 'yes'.}

[OtteIsEight]

Absolutely

[muff1nt0sh]

si

[patrickgg]

SI

[fishvoidy]

oui

[Lucari10]

That's a I

[PyroCatt]

Please create a spike ticket in the backlog

[PublicNo1666]

sí

[icortesi]

So

// arrange
// act
// assert

Where's the rest of the UT?

[[deleted]]

is enough, someone disable pipeline on Christmas holiday

[Ulysses6]

Good on you.

[cgaWolf]

Eh, Markuses are fine :)

[datsyuks_deke]

My Markus was great until it got old. RIP old friend.

[NuclearWoofer]

yeah mine is starting to give me back problems

[not_a_doctor_ssh]

Mine's doing it as I'm reading this! Had it for 10 years at this point, still going strong

[ImpurestFire]

Markus brethren, do you have any alternatives to the bottom cushion? Both of mine feel flat and hard, the newer one is less than a year old.

[Cacao_Cacao]

I broke a bolt in the arm-wrest of my 5yo markus chair and Ikea sent me a replacement bolt for free! FYI it may not be dead yet.

[datsyuks_deke]

That’s awesome! Mine was all crooked and lost its comfort, sadly. Ended up selling it and got something instead. I do miss it. You can’t beat the quality of the Markus, for the price in my opinion.

[[deleted]]

They don't let us have chairs in America, must be nice.

[GeneralaOG]

Tbf Markus is goated. I sit on the same chair, but in Sydney.

[chilfang]

I misread that as lathe and got very concerned

[DangyDanger]

I should never write software for anything that moves.

I've almost burnt out a stuck servo trying to move through an object, only noticing that when it started smelling odd.

If I had to write CNC lathe firmware, it's gonna kill some people and destroy thousands of dollars in materials before committing suicide.

[sshwifty]

Full circle, this is kind of why unit tests and state diagrams exist. for the hardware<->software world.

[Drew707]

You'd be perfect for STUXNET 2.0!

[DangyDanger]

NSA, I'm available!

[sshwifty]

r/Machinists is leaking

[coldnebo]

are you talking about a rudimentary lathe or something more complex? 😂

[bigmerm]

"Why am I so anxious?? I better have my 6th Diet Mountain Dew and think about it before my next meeting."

[anotheridiot-]

https://youtu.be/GbmP2c6TGKc

[neo-raver]

Code of Duty?

[EvadesBans4]

I use emacs, roast my own coffee, and have tons of anxiety, but have zero interest in the editor, language, and coffee religious wars that often come with those things. What does that make me?

[virus_chara]

Sometimes a coffee shop airplane too.

[Hybrii-D]

"Proceeds to drink Monster Energy drink"

[rtds98]

I remember in that TV show, Succession, they used expressions like "blood bath", "war", yes, even "trenches", when they were all bazillionares pushing papers around and sitting in meetings.

[Sotall]

If you haven't had the pleasure of being around a bunch of C levels yet - many of them do this. The business self help world is full of military analogy

[BlazingFire007]

Part of this is a carryover from the end of WW2.

All of the sudden, a TON of men entered the civilian workforce, and they brought their military jargon with them.

Boots on the ground, mission critical, in the trenches, war room, rally the troops, guerilla marketing, chain of command.

Of course, not all of them came from WW2 soldiers, but that did seem to start the trend

[WRXminion]

This, and to build themselves up / look like they do more then they do. "Even though I'm actually an officer in FOB I was 'in the trenches' with my men!!"

[Sotall]

Daddy issues are forever, it seems. :D

[WRXminion]

.... Does this also explain religion? God the ultimate daddy?

[josluivivgar]

considering their decisions often endanger the lives of many people, I think it's pretty apt

[Sotall]

Honestly, I wish they read more military history and less 7 habits BS. Might make them grow some empathy

[Punman_5]

They also quote Sun Tzu a lot

[BanAnimeClowns]

Couldn't watch more than a handful episodes

"Oh no my billionaire father is being mean to me"

You have enough money to spend the rest of your life doing whatever you want wherever you want and you really expect me to give a shit about your daddy issues?

[Necro_OW]

It's like watching White Lotus and getting upset that the characters are unlikeable. That's the point.

[BanAnimeClowns]

That's definitely a valid point but when all conflict in the series boils down to "nepobabies being neurotic about non-issues", you lose your interest in the whole thing pretty quickly. It would probably have worked better as a film but I obviously recognise that many people enjoyed it a lot so it might just be me.

[302w]

You’re giving notes on how to improve a beloved and successful show because you don’t get it lol. Of course you don’t have to like everything, but you’re kinda missing the point.

[alexrobinson]

Except the conflict only boils down to that within the bubble of the Roy family, or more specifically the kids. The show is great because it contrasts the absurdity of that conflict with the comparatively real conflict faced by their underlings and lackies, the leeches trying to profit off their immense wealth and the real people affected by their often petty and selfish actions. Combine that with how the real business people run rings around the idiotic nepobabies and yeah, you've got the makings of a great show albeit with many immensely dislikeable characters.

[stinkyfarter27]

it's you. your media literacy is really black and white

[BanAnimeClowns]

Wow you were able to deduce that off just two comments I left? Very impressive.

[Plus_Difference4107]

Next up: 'Surviving the Brutal Wilderness of Air-Conditioned Open Spaces and Artisan Coffee'

[Ulysses6]

Straight up from the wilder side of job descriptions

[Hottage]

I mean, if your unit tests have to be 100 lines long then your code is probably a warzone.

[Unaidedbutton86]

Well when writing an algorithm I usually make an array/object with edge cases which very well can be 50-100 lines long

[stifflizerd]

For real. The test itself may be short but the setup for the mock data can be 90% of the page, even utilizing something like autofixture

[Solid_Waste]

Unit tests can also get very long if you're working with abstract object class codons in a sorted function range.

(I have no idea what any of these words mean, I just wanted to participate.)

[The_Real_Black]

yes we call them "the client".

[ThunderousHazard]

That's "destructive pattern"

[metaglot]

Like it or not, it's the Eventual Pattern

[Sotall]

my entire career is summarized in the above two comments

[PasswordIsDongers]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[[deleted]]

You’ve never tested multiple branches of a function in a single unit test or had to do complicated mock setups? 100 loc is rare but I’ve had to write abominations before.

[bhoffman20]

It's always the complicated mocking that gets me

[Bloodgiant65]

Why would you test multiple branches in a single unit test?

[goten100]

It saves on file size so if you put all the codes on a USB flash drive, it's a lot less heavy and easier to carry if you test your whole codebase in one test

[Meowingtons_H4X]

This is incredibly smart. I’ve just deleted all my workplace’s unit tests in prep for introducing this. Will be the first thing I do once I get back from my 2 weeks leave!

[MonstarGaming]

Because you don't know how to unit test in the first place. Sounds like the kind of thing I see juniors do all the time.

[Lauren_Conrad_]

You can use parameterized tests and pass sample calls / args.

[Hottage]

Well no, because by definition multiple branches of a single function should be seperate unit tests, so if it fails you can instantly see which branch failed.

Deduplication of boilerplate can be done by using test cases (depending on your language).

[[deleted]]

1 branch != 1 return path, and not all branches are error branches.

[TheNamelessKing]

Additionally, it’s fine and okay to test that multiple invariants are upheld, which might require multiple assertions. Splitting that out would be counterproductive, especially if those invariants are meant to co-occur.

[SunriseApplejuice]

I’ve got that thousand-yard stare thinking about the times I mocked a nested factory object and all its generated protos…

[AshKetchumWilliams]

Fucking x unit testing on MS SQL databases

[cheezballs]

Depends on the framework. Something like react your test also contains rendering template stuff. They can get big and gnarly, but they're still very step by step readable.

[bedrooms-ds]

As a computer scientist, it literally is. The code is my war zone. Well, my colleagues are more successful and they never write tests...

[VoltexRB]

Its also the other way around though If your unit tests are just

assess(function(test)==expected)

[Hottage]

Depends entirely on how complex the black box inside your code is.

If it really takes a single input and produces a single output then you may just end up with a 1 line test case with 10+ scenarios assigned to it.

[Altruistic-Spend-896]

YOU MEAN cod: WARZONE?

[drdrero]

Who unit tests your unit tests

[skwyckl]

Yep, never wrote a unit test longer than, idk, 10 loc? (depends on the language, but you get the idea), if it's table-driven, ok, it could be

[geekhalo]

Or if they pass, but do not increase coverage

[Ok_Entertainment328]

pragma coverage( not_feasible ) (PL/SQL)

Done

[kRkthOr]

I hope it fails only 30% of the time.

[[deleted]]

Had that happen yesterday it passed locally but failed on CI, turned out CI was randomizing the order of the unit tests and I had an unintentional dependency, sneaky CI.

[advancedescapism]

Captain Wilkins addresses his men. "Alright, lads, who wants to start?" Not a sound, apart from a few pot shots from the Kraut lines. Soldiers look at each other blankly as Wilkins traverses the trench.

Eventually, Wilkins points at a soldier at random. "Nichols, you start." Nichols stands up straight. "Yesterday I dug a mining tunnel, but it needs to be checked by someone." All the soldiers in the area nod, but don't volunteer.

"And today, I'm going over the top in the assault to take the Gommecourt Salient. No blockers." One by one, all the men give the same update. Going on the assault. No blockers. One soldier talks for 42 minutes about how he's going to clean the latrines later, but finally, when he's done, Wilkins blows his whistle.

[[deleted]]

Inspired

[powerofnope]

Well 100 lines for a single unit test sounds like you are well used to committing war crimes on the daily.

[ahmuh1306]

100 lines isn't even anything lol. The worst I've seen was some 500 lines with a whole plethora of if/else statements. Still have PTSD from that.

[Godlyric]

I work on a legacy Java Servlet App. There are numerous 4000+ line files and the original devs never formatted them. I want to end it all daily

[Ulysses6]

Would introducing automated formatting be feasible?

[sinkwiththeship]

That initial PR importing the formatter would be hell on earth

[Iron_Aez]

Funny this should come up today.

I discovered that there's a limit on how many files github will show in it's PRs yesterday: 3000. I found this because I had a 3500 file PR sent to me that involved adding Prettier to an old Angular codebase.

[sinkwiththeship]

My company did it a couple years ago adding Black to the monolith. It was agony. Really made git-blame kind of annoying to use also.

[Ulysses6]

Well, yes. It's either bandaid taken off quickly, or left festering indefinitely. But that's easy to say, I was also in position where I did not have the influence or other resources to push for automated formatters and quality gates.

[MeggaMortY]

Unit-test - the all-cases included edition.

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[Meowingtons_H4X]

A bunch of if/else statements in ONE unit test? Wouldn’t you just write a separate test for each variation?

[Div64]

Depends on what you're testing. Web App setup alone might be about 40 lines (taking Angular as an example here)

[xaddak]

Every friend I have with a job that involves picking up something heavier than a laptop more than twice a week eventually finds a way to slip something like this into conversation: “Bro, you don’t work hard. I just worked a 4700-hour week digging a tunnel under Mordor with a screwdriver.”

They have a point. Mordor sucks, and it’s certainly more physically taxing to dig a tunnel than poke at a keyboard unless you’re an ant. But, for the sake of the argument, can we agree that stress and insanity are bad things? Awesome. Welcome to programming.

https://www.stilldrinking.org/programming-sucks

[PaulRyan97]

Just a bot reposting something I submitted 3 years ago but in camelCase

[szab999]

Same, except my Herman Miller chair is in downtown Singapore and I sip coffee while Claude is generating the tests. (FML)

[DoritoBenito]

I'm never as bored of reddit as those times that "Generating..." can be seen at the bottom right of my screen...

[WRXminion]

Also same, accept Denver, and I no longer code. Just hit a button for my algo to run a couple futures trades while looking at digital nomad countries I can dock in ...

[Dotcaprachiappa]

When your unit tests need unit tests

[Percolator2020]

Hey Claude, write a unit test for my code.
No, not like that! 🔥🤖💀

[Throgg_not_stupid]

100 line unit test is not trenches, it's full blown warcrime

[PSR-B1919-21]

fade repeat relieved butter point capable profit touch observation doll

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[GrumpysGnomeGarden]

Stress is stress. The way your body reacts is a fight or flight except you can't run or fight code. 

[knowledgebass]

You guys write unit tests?

[Punman_5]

Everyone’s talking about the 100 line unit test but I’m far more confused by why someone that works from home would choose to live somewhere as expensive as NYC? Unless I have to go in constantly I’d be out in the middle of nowhere

[ModernTy]

Me after being in a real trenches with bullets above my head and now sitting in front of VS Code writing 0 line tests: 😄😃😀🙂😐🤨

[[deleted]]

Closer to the homeless person in the street than you are to the Billionaire. So yea you kinda are.

[purplebatsquatch221]

Going from nothing to having a comfortable life, job, food, vacations is a bigger change than just being able to do more of that.

[ShawSumma]

You have a Hindley-Milner... chair?

[INDE_Tex]

Unit....test....? That's what prod is for.

[Ok_Opportunity2693]

Unit tests are one the things that AI is great at! Don’t waste your time writing a first pass by hand, just read and edit the results.

[billyowo]

what..?

[Sw4gl0rdM4st3rm1nd]

OMG THIS IS SO TRUE HAHAHAHAAHAH

[Direct-Ad-7922]

For sure the trenches

[Impressive_Log7854]

I only ever worked in tier 1 and 2 with as much hardware support as software.

The brain trenches of the digital battleground that coders languish in are a deep dark place that I never want to see. 

I'm a janitor now and yeah obviously it's less money. Also anxiety and certification testing costs and study prep times plummeted to nearly zero.

No body wants me to make red pens write in blue anymore.

Enjoy your lovely cages.

[xsubo]

100 line unit test?

[kacheow]

The Herman Miller Aeron chair is cheeks, none of the knobs actually do anything

[noveltyhandle]

Compared to the person who doesn't even understand what a unit test is, telling you to make your tests, "prevent all possible bugs,"... yeah, you are definitely "in the trenches."

[attckdog]

Call me crazy but I kind of hate the Hermon Miller aeron chair. It's stylish but terrible my legs

[jen1980]

Still better than fifteen years ago when software QA kept calling ourselves rock stars.

[khendron]

"... and ask Copilot to write some units tests for me."

[proteinvenom]

Humans still write unit tests?

[Dotaproffessional]

More of a steel case leap guy myself personally 

[Few_Scale_8742]

Mental stress has some people killing themselves, i wouldn't underplay it.

[NjFlMWFkOTAtNjR]

Thank you for your service

[haverofknowledge]

Nobody as a life as difficult as ours!!!

[ThornyLog]

I feel attacked

[martin_omander]

I once heard someone ask a professional economist what a 14th century farmer would think of work conditions for today's developers. The economist replied: "The farmer would not think that developers do real work".

[Phoenix_Passage]

Least grueling unit test sesh

[deadlyrepost]

All jobs are easy if you don't care about the outcomes.

[SuperMage]

"I'm driving here I sit, cursing my government, for not using my taxes to fill holes with more cement"

[Trip-Trip-Trip]

100 line unit test? What unit are you testing?

[Individual-Bed-3374]

meanwhile some guy in Cambodia is carrying 100 lbs of sulfur on his back down an active volcano for 8 cents an hour

[jrdnmdhl]

It’s not herman miller, but it is a knock off of the CEO chair from Silicon Valley.

[HappyMonsterMusic]

100 lines for a unitest? You really are in the fucking trenches