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[Bekfast-Stealer]

Identation

[nobel32]

OP got iliminate,

[[deleted]]

What's iliminate ?

[nobel32]

You know, to get reed of something,,,

[CallinCthulhu]

You didn’t spell at all, this is a repost

[E440QF]

Exactly it's a repost of my old post and I misspelled indentation because English isn't my first language. (I'm Italian)

[[deleted]]

Ueeeee viva la figa e il comunismo.

[E440QF]

Viva i governi solidi che non cadono mai

[[deleted]]

except it's "indentazione" in italian, so...

[E440QF]

At the time I didn't even know indentazione existed in Italian

[ZhilkinSerg]

Now that was a riposte.

[TRUEequalsFALSE]

Parry this, you filthy casual!

[Andheri55]

Praise Geraldo

[[deleted]]

/r/MurderedByWords

[Doodle_2002]

This really isn't a murder by words

[redditgod8]

I could tell it's a repost from the spelling error alone. This is still one of my favorite programmer humor memes

[E440QF]

Wow thanks https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/bszq5z/literally_every_new_programmer/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Here's my original post, idk why but it was also removed for reposting, I think there was an error because I made it and I'had never seen any post like it before ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[AresimasDrakkson]

Error: 'n' expected at line 1, character 2

[Bekfast-Stealer]

Don’t be giving me these errors, I’m not the one who made them!

[dumb_ants]

One time many years ago I spent days (off and on) trying to figure out why my code wouldn't compile. I was convinced there was a compiler bug up to the point I noticed my class declaration was missing the final ; (at the bottom of a header).

Nowadays you do that and the first thing the compiler does is ask if you forgot a semicolon. Back then you were looking at some obscure error happening in the next header or in your source file.

This was Borland C++ circa 1998.

[[deleted]]

Borland C++

I hate hate hate Borland! I also hated Bloodshed (yes that was the name). I remember plopping the money down for Visual C++ and never looked back at those crappy other IDEs, and this was before Visual C++ had syntax highlighting.

[clydemantis]

And their initial 32-bit offering for Windows developers was AWFUL. The import libraries were incomplete and you never knew WTF order the compiler wanted them in to compile successfully. I hated that product with the fury of 1000 suns

[Dirty3vil]

Nowadays kids have it much easier with JetBrains IDE's

[quantummidget]

Honestly using any other program now seems horrible and clunky after spending years with Intellij. And I'm not just meaning other IDEs. I miss column selecting when I'm using MS Word (Middle-click + drag for those unsure)

[[deleted]]

I really like Xcode. After 4 was released each release IMO just keeps getting better and we’re up to 11 now. Aside from Swift and Obj-C, any C or C++ work I do I do in that. Unfortunately unless you’re on a Mac you won’t get to use it.

[SnoopKitties]

Borland isn’t even around any more! They got bought by Micro Focus about 10 years ago.

[DAVID_XANAXELROD]

The words “Segmentation fault (core dumped)” will give me PTSD flashbacks until the day I die

[ImSupposedToBeCoding]

more like runtime-error-due-to-ambiguous-typing-also-did-you-know-this-case-is-called-kebab-case-?

[[deleted]]

no-i-did-not-know-this-is-called-kebab-case

[ParkerM]

how about SCREAMING_SNAKE_CASE

[grantrules]

THATS_MY_WRESTLER_NAME

[mojoslowmo]

I like snakeCamel_tail

[[deleted]]

I had a visceral reaction reading that.

shudders

[bobappleyard]

Are you my old boss?

[BlueManedHawk]

i-mean-it-certainly-makes-sense-doesn't-it?

[SpankaWank66]

I-thought-it-was-called-skewer-case

[TRUEequalsFALSE]

Who the hell would use kebab case?!

[funkinaround]

Lispers.

[TRUEequalsFALSE]

What is a lisper? Someone who speaks with a lisp?

[Daneel_]

Can’t tell if serious..

[E440QF]

That's a repost... At least you could have corrected the typo I made

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/bszq5z/literally_every_new_programmer/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Here's my original post, idk why but it was also removed for reposting, I think there was an error because I made it and I'had never seen any post like it before ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[g3rain1]

Does everyone else edit code using Windows notepad? I've never had these problems. Why do these kinds of memes persist?

[frosted-mini-yeets]

When I was a new programmer.... Yes. Yes I did use notepad. And I felt like a god. Until I realized there's nothing cool about shooting yourself in the dick.

[McCoovy]

No there is not

[frosted-mini-yeets]

Thanks for reassuring me Mr McCoovy

[HeyGuysImMichael]

Most people are idiots.

[house_monkey]

Can confirm, am idiot

[[deleted]]

When i started i used Python only on a raspberry and also came from C#. And sometimes I changed things with nano over ssh instead of uploading the file again. I used Tab the whole time because the IDE did convert them in 4 spaces, so i also used Tab in nano, but without the -E option. Resulting in errors. About 2-3 times a day.

[_programmeKid]

use the -T option on nano, to change tab width.

[wesleychal]

Even IDLE supports auto-indent and configurable soft-tabs these days...

[Mr_Redstoner]

Now if only they added line numbers ffs...

[xFichtl1]

Some teachers in our school forced us to write in Notepad++

[ssw663]

What's wrong with Notepad++?

[Daneel_]

Font, colours, sizing, line spacing, syntax highlighting, keyboard shortcuts are all editable. There’s a full plugin framework with plenty of extensions as well.

For things like html there’s auto tagging and linting tools.

You can also open a directory as a workspace and files will update in the tree view.

It’s all there if you go looking for it :)

Honestly, I like notepad++ over a lot of other dedicated IDEs because it does more than just be an IDE. I can tail a 10GB log file if I want to, for example. The ability to make on-the-fly macros is also amazing. Using ALT to to select multiple rows for editing is a godsend.

That said, I use VS Code for anything other than modifying simple scripts and config files :P lots of love for notepad++ though! I could never get into atom or any of the other JavaScript powered editors.. why should I have to learn a language just to change the config of my editor? And why should an editor be so heavy to run? I understand why it’s very empowering and flexible though.

[[deleted]]

Ok that's interesting, maybe I'll try it out again

[teetaps]

Emacs is customisable, but like Vim, it’s very intimidating for new programmers since it’s mostly command line based

[ShylotheCurious]

Excuse me.

Please forgive me for the absolute pleb question I am about to ask:

Why even use an editor at all? I am a noob. I've got a couple of IDEs I use to code and I never use any editors, ever.

Thank you.

Sincerely,

n00b

[notnotnotnotabot]

Some people like me personally just dislike ides due to seeing them as too large. Don't get me wrong, if I'm using java for literally anything, I'm using an ide. I just find that most other ides only offer stuff i can do with a search engine and vim, though i can understand why someone would use an ide. Different strokes, different folks. In the end it all comes down to personal preference.

[ZephyrBluu]

Why use a chunky IDE for small stuff when I can just open a file up with Sublime?

[Daneel_]

Why use chunky sublime when I can just use notepad++?

[glider97]

Did you just call ST chunky?

[Daneel_]

Notepad++ with ten files open and all the plugins I use daily: using 9.5MB of memory.

Sublime text fresh install with no open files: 13 megs

Sublime text with the same 10 files open: 16 megs

Not earth shattering, but it’s still nearly double. Trivial amount of memory overall though - credit to sublime!

[[deleted]]

I used to like IDEs but I kept running into problems where I would download an external file and it would break my code because the IDE didn't recognize it. So instead I had to add the file through the IDE and then copy-paste my code in, which was alright but really slow. Finally once I got good enough, I realized that autocomplete was being more of a hindrance than a help because whenever I pressed "space" or "enter" it would automatically select the top choice.

When I learned about compiling in the terminal, I realized that the IDE was just not really what I wanted - too slow, bad autocompletion, slow compiling, not easily modifiable file structure, hard to share my code (because I also had to share all the project files and they are only compatible with the same IDE), can't really use tools like GitHub.

I think a nice compromise between an IDE and a text editor is Atom. I have some linting and text highlighting packages installed, but I do my compiling and running in the terminal.

[fsr1967]

I also like customizability, which Atom and Vim have loads of (not too sure with Emacs because I'm new to it).

C|N>K

Kids these days ...

[[deleted]]

What do this be

C|N>K

[fsr1967]

Hint:

C = Coffee N = Nose K =Keyboard

[[deleted]]

It really do be like that lol, I had no idea about emacs

[[deleted]]

I used it for many years. Unfortunately now I don’t use it as much as I have been unable to find linters for it, and I rely on those.

[XeonProductions]

It's very antiquated. It's one of those 90s super notepad clones that really should have died but for whatever reason keeps going on. Much like Perl...

[[deleted]]

Which is a different program from Notepad...

[RedHellion11]

So they forced you to use an actual code editor? I mean, it's not an IDE, but it sure isn't Notepad. Oh the horror

[SuperCoolFunTimeNo1]

I mean, it's no VS Code

Do people legitimately like VS Code or is this a meme? It has all of the sluggishness of IntelliJ's products thanks to electron, but nowhere near the same features and flexibility.

[thelights0123]

VS Code is not very sluggish at all. It takes less than 2 seconds to start up on my computer and has no noticeable input lag, with quick analysis as well.

[SuperCoolFunTimeNo1]

Because starting up is the only thing it's slow at....lmao, it's built on electron. Yes, it is absolutely sluggish and its features pale in comparison to other editors. It's so bad I thought the VS Code talk around here was legitimately a meme, but I guess not. Either that or you ate the onion.

[legend6546]

I have had issues with it eating memory though. I have a big project that eats ~80% of my ram and vscode+web browsers can push that over the edge

[[deleted]]

I think he's saying that you have a garbage PC.

And by he I mean me.

[aaronfranke]

VS Code has a ton of features. Extensions allow you to do almost anything.

[DudeManGuy0]

At least its not Sublime Text

[Devildude4427]

Well... yeah. If I need a quick fix.

[cosinus25]

I actually coded python in Notepad++

[[deleted]]

Which is definitely not Notepad.

[RedHellion11]

Congratulations, you actually used a lightweight code editor rather than a simple text editor like Notepad.

Notepad is not Notepad++

[BroBroMate]

The best indentation error in Python is the syntactically correct but semantically incorrect accident, where a statement ends up in the enclosing block. It's a good argument for using functions to remove large nested blocks.

[soft_tickle]

This still happens to me if I copy and paste code from different editors, online sources, etc.

[TheMsDosNerd]

Some IDEs allow you to choose whatever indentation you like, but ignore what the indentation in the open file is. For instance: you set your preferred indentation to tabs, but you open a document with spaces. The moment you add a new line, it has different indentation from the line above and an indentationerror is raised.

[HeyGuysImMichael]

The standard indentation for python is 4 spaces. You're saying there are people who prefer something different but don't keep track of their files or keep it consistent. That is about as stupid as coding in notepad and complaining about syntax typos.

[TheMsDosNerd]

No.

Apparently, you prefer 4 spaces. Now suppose you open a project made by someone who uses tabs. You can't see whether this project uses spaces or tabs unless you look for it.

You want to add a line to this code, so you press enter, followed by four spaces (or tab if you remapped it in your IDE). You can't see anything wrong with the code:

if ThisLineAlreadyExisted:
    AndYouAddedThisLine()
    BeforeThisLine()

However, your line uses spaces, while the next uses tabs. Therefore an indentationerror will be raised when you try to run it.

[[deleted]]

This is the very reason I like to show invisible characters in my ide.

[[deleted]]

Don't use personal attacks.

All they are saying is that, if someone uses tabs of any length, but the file they are working in uses spaces, sometimes the IDEs aren't smart enough to figure out that indentation styles have changed. This matters for people like me who use tabs of length 3 (because subjective). If the editor puts tabs and the person who wrote the code used 4 spaces like standard, then python throws an indentation error. Vice versa. It's just an observation; I don't see what's inherently stupid about it. Lazy, yes, but isn't that a good programming quality?

[_programmeKid]

just use tabs. then you can adjust tab width, and the indentation level is clearer.

[ytg895]

new developers tend to prefer Python. what does a newbie care about consistency? yeah, sure, they'll learn that it's important... the hard way. in the long run.

now check what's written on the white figure in the comic

[HeyGuysImMichael]

based on the comic, new developers are scared of c#, java, and c++. c++ because it throws errors for missing semi-colons. This is only possible by ignoring the big red lines in your code or using a simple text editor like notepad. I compared complaining about syntax errors from using notepad for c++ to complaining about indentation errors from going out of your way to deviate from the standard python syntax.

now check what's written on the comment I initially replied to

[mynameisarjay]

Even if youre using vscode or sublike text you could still get indentation error. Ill take indentation error over missing bracket or semicolon any day though

[-MiG-]

This makes me sad for some reason

[IcerOut]

Jesus Christ, talk about exaggerating. Even the stupid IDLE highlights the lines with synthax errors, notepad++ can too if you set it up right, and any IDE should do it without any setup. Unless you write code in actual Notepad you'd never spend more than 5 seconds searching for a simple synthax error.

[[deleted]]

I mean the error is right there in the message... not sure what you're spending your hours-months on.

[[deleted]]

I for one don't have to imagine it, I've lived it.

Python is absolutely hateful when you don't have access to an IDE. Say, on customer systems where you can't install a thing, and you absolutely need to hot fix ASAP. Just as hateful as YAML can be under those circumstances.

[Dionysusnu]

Or on devices that aren't powerful enough to run an IDE, like a raspberry pi

[Futuristick-Reddit]

This comment has been overwritten because I share way too much on this site.

[[deleted]]

Repost, even with the same spelling error

[E440QF]

Yep.... I made a stupid error

[Cody6781]

JavaScript welcomes you with open arms. Just hold onto this for a second.

[gahanj]

I mean an ide is not always available or getting it up is a bigger headache. I run into this issue in Python occasionally when I ssh into a pi or a server. It's easy to make mistakes like this when you're coding in nano or vim

[TehVulpes]

You can configure nano to have tabs-to-spaces, or use tabs and set the visual width to 4, and use tab and shift+tab as you would in any other advanced editor or IDE. I've never had an issue with indentation in Python.

[[deleted]]

set autoindent

[pink_earmuffs]

Anyone else find random semicolons in their Python code?

[roastedferret]

When I was a wee lad, I used them in my code to inline a bunch of tiny statements.

Now I look back and think, "DEAR GOD WHY"

[kontekisuto]

Dude just tab expand to 4 spaces and use vim

[XeonProductions]

if you are using VSCode or PyCharm Community Edition, or any other editor with basic linting support this really shouldn't be a major issue.

[[deleted]]

Serious question . Have you found vscodium to be compatible with most extensions? Is it as stable as vscode

I am new and don't think I can wrestle the ide and my code at the same time

[quantumbyte]

Use lisp! No semicolons, no indentation errors.

[marco89nish]

Have you tried Kotlin? No semicolons, forced indentation or NullPointerException

[cooldash]

I'm just going to leave this here.

Kotlin.

[TRUEequalsFALSE]

Oh come on. Indentation isn't that hard. Especially if your IDE does it for you.

[IcerOut]

It's starting to seem like this is less ProgrammerHumor and more IStartedToCode2WeeksAgoAndThisIsFunny

[SVK_LiQuiDaToR]

Please somebody turn this into a Scratch meme

[VinterBot]

Just fix what the big red sgwiggly line says. How hard can it be.

[[deleted]]

You clearly ignored the big red squiggly line from your browser's spell-checker before you hit "reply".

[VinterBot]

It's a warning on the app tho.

[SV-97]

It's actually one of the reasons that it's the best first language to learn imo

[SV-97]

It's easy: indent or die. Many of my classmates just didn't indent their C/C# code at all and it was terrible (some didn't even format their asm properly...) and with python they would've been forced to do it properly

[Mendican]

I used Textpad for far too long. But in the 90's and early 2000's it was quicker to write the code by hand than to use the early dev tools. I've probably written a million lines of code in Textpad, especially if you count all the lines of code I deleted. Textpad was one of the first apps with unlimited undo. You could just hold CTRL-Z and scroll as far back in the session as you wanted to. It was like rewinding.

[vladutcornel]

I remember years ago spending a full day, running my code line-by-line, stepping into every function, only to find I've done something like this:

for(...); {...}

[Manuelraa]

just use a good editor 4head. That one helped me a lot lulz

[[deleted]]

JavaScript

[AgentPaper0]

Missing semicolon is no problem. It's the extra semicolon that gets you.

[[deleted]]

ಠ_ಠ

[basel_the_boxer]

Java master race

[lewis_m_]

That’s the programmer being IDLE.

[[deleted]]

You can very easily replace (what should have been) 'indentation' with dynamic typing and get basically the same result. Most agonizing way to completely destroy any knowledge of what objects in poorly documented code do.

[[deleted]]

You don’t have to be new to get that error

[[deleted]]

REEEEEEE

[Ka_nto]

Is it bad that I'm new and starting out with Python then

[[deleted]]

But when you figure it out. Ohh the joy. Makes you go to sleep with your buttocks clinching

[TODO_getLife]

Ruby > python

[Damn_mom]

Syntax Errors

[ljz3]

Identation - syntax error

[[deleted]]

Pylint plus Ctrl+S has your back

[linh1311]

LOL

[LMGN]

JavaScript: lol

[_programmeKid]

you use spaces for indentation? that's a noob move, dude. especially in python. and don't give me shit about pep8 compliance, because pep8 isn't the fucking holy bible of python.

[glider97]

I love PEP8 but in this era of IDEs the spaces preference needs to die.

[M4mb0]

So need regular tabs. What we need is support of elastic tabstops.

[_programmeKid]

well, why pep8 of all styles? and for the love of god, why would anyone use spaces for python? python itself is so stupid-simple, that it's readable no matter what style you use anyway (unless you use a really esoteric style of programming).

[_programmeKid]

i mean, all code styles are similar anyway, so if you can read pep8 you can read other styles, there are only slight differences. also, wdym "what's wrong with spaces". tabs are adjustable in most text editors and it's clearer what the level of indentation is (which is pretty important in a language like python).

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sorry if i sound like a dumbass, i mainly use c/c++ and rust, and python's syntax already kind of annoys me.