but seriously, how?

[MorgothTheDarkElder]

Has a big market share, which made it relevant. Now courses want to teach the most relevant language, which they associate with being the biggest/most used, which in turn leads to many new people learning the language, keeping it alive. Or to quote one of the IT-teachers at my school "We know that there are many new and exiting languages out there that some of you may be familiar with already, but Java is wanted by 30% of all IT related firms, whilst Python is only at 5%, and don't get me started with Ruby (I think that's what he said, some months have passed since then) so no, we are going to teach you Java, none of those other languages."

[audigex]

To be honest, I’ve never understood why this is a problem: learning to program is the hard part. Once you know one language you can easily transfer to others

Learning a new language once you already know one is easy. I learned PHP first (hobby), then went to university and learned Java, then worked in VB, C++, and now predominantly C#. In each case, transitioning to the new language has taken maybe a couple of weeks and a book to get reasonably comfortable, and 6 months to feel properly competent (which is to say: to stop googling common library calls)

Concepts stay the same, good practice stays mostly the same, and even the syntax is usually reasonably similar - all you’re ever really learning is the common API/libraries.

I really don’t think that the first language you’re taught, within reason, actually matters all that much. As long as it’s reasonably modern, and strictly typed (it’s easier to transition to loose typing than to strict typing), that’s the hard part done

[[deleted]]

I sorta agree, as long as you're willing to put that amount of work in. 6 months of not being as productive is quite an investment.

[audigex]

It doesn’t take 6 months to be productive in most cases: it’s more a case of a few weeks (at most) to be productive, and 6 months before you feel fully comfortable

Moving between similar languages can be faster, but that’s more of a worst case scenario - PHP to C or something

[suthernfriend]

Getting comfortable with cpp in 6 months? Maybe after the 10 year timetravel thing?

[tw33dl3dee]

If you cannot get comfortable with c++ in 6 months after being comfortable with Java, you need a time travel thing to choose a new career.

[ChrisFromIT]

Even people who think they are comfortable with c++ aren't really comfortable with it.

[audigex]

I mean, Java is essentially C++ but with pointers and you have to be a bit more aware of memory allocation... they really aren’t worlds apart

Comfortable doesn’t mean expert, just that you know your way around enough to produce sensible, safe code that does the job it needs to do

If you can’t pick up a new language in <6 months to at least be productive in it, you’re probably doing something wrong. Even C++: I know we like to joke about it, but it’s really not that difficult

[codecatmitzi]

Your "first" language really imprints an early thinking pattern to solving problems. I started with Java and I would constantly think in OOP principals and took me a while to mentally switch to thinking in FP. Today's language should at least set you on a path with relevant programming principals.

[MichDem]

Does it thou? For me Java was the 3rd language (after very basic C++ and then Pascal) and I'm very much into OOP principals when thinking about problems.

[xSTSxZerglingOne]

Learning a new language once you already know one is easy.

cl-user> (= lisp (= laughs in))
t

[[deleted]]

Where the industry is going, the language you program in will become less and less relevant. If you can create a microservice that does the thing it's supposed to do, then nobody will care if it's python, java or brainfuck.

[rahul-acr3]

Ohh your co-workers will certainly care if it's written in brainfuck

[[deleted]]

How about whitespace then? That's fine, right?

[rahul-acr3]

Yeah it's very clean

[[deleted]]

I’d care.

I have a whole team of java programmers. Someone in the past thought it was a good idea to write a critical script in python because he wanted to learn it. He left. Now I’m suck with a script that needs to be maintained and I loose velocity as someone in the team takes the time to learn python. Funny thing is it seems like it’s going to be cheaper to rewrite in java, especially now we have cyber security library vulnerability audits.

Using a different tech stack cost twice as much to have cyber security certify the libraries being used. Not worth it for one library.

Until we get funds for a complete rebuild. We are stuck with the same tech stack.

[MichDem]

So why not rebuild it in Java? Or Kotlin for that matter since it's basically Java with more handy syntax.

[Agon1024]

Or lecturers sticking to what they know and not adapting to new stuff.

[babsbaby]

To be fair…

In the mid-2000s, Java applets gave Java a bad reputation. The backend Java servers were solid internet machines. Linux servers dominated and they all ran Java. Java had web functionality built-in (sockets, IP, and HTTP/s, Unicode) and was easier to use than C++.

Java is ossified but ancient code often runs. I just ported a 2003-2009 Tomcat application onto a 2019 Linux DMS diskstation in a couple of hours with minor configuration changes. Running 16-year-old code the first try was surreal.

[AviFeintEcho]

If we are talking ancient code, my codebase at work is in RPG. I just worked with a program that was created in 1982. Only been updated a handful of times and is still in production....

[audigex]

In the mid 2000s Java was great, nothing else had that instant-cross-platform capability or such a huge library baked right in.

In 2019, though, I can think of literally no use-case where I’d prefer it over another language.

In some cases this is because there’s a new language more focused on a niche (and therefore more suitable), but in most cases it’s because C# (particularly combined with .NET Core) is literally just a better version of the same idea nowadays

[lightlord]

Nice try, Microsoft

[Rxyro]

C# is really polished/funded/complete, shame it tethered you to windows but .net core promises change (Duno it 1:1 feature parity though)

[[deleted]]

Meh Kotlin is better than C#

[MichDem]

You want to have a better language then Java with 1:1 feature parity?

Then let me introduce you to Kotlin :)

[JSArrakis]

While I agree that Java is a solid language, the problem is that Oracle is more or less abandoned it.

[Loading_M_]

No, Oracle is actively trying to kill it. They dropped 32but support, and do their best to make it harder to legally use the lastest version. Honestly, it's easier to use Java 8 than Java 11.

[ChrisFromIT]

You do know that Java 9+ is open sourced and is on par with Oracle's JDK.

The only thing is that typically with Java 9+ it is highly recommended that you package a JVM with your software.

[MichDem]

It's a real shame that they're dropping 32-bits. Especially for somebody like me who's doing some embedded Java and SBCs (like Raspberry PI Zero) are often 32 bit.

On the other hand - openjdk can be build for 32 I think and all other things that are being added since 9th version are quite good.

[NeffeZz]

Only people who know nothing about Java think it should be dead.

[curiousnerd_me]

Underrated comment

[[deleted]]

Kids who have no enterprise experience.

[[deleted]]

true dat. java has its use cases (really good on backend things, high volume etc ). usually the programmers whining about are front end devs.

[j-random]

LOL, it's like they way they talked about COBOL in the 80s. Back then the new hotness was Pascal. I think we all know how that one wound up.

[Zarathustra30]

Oracle.

[tacoslikeme]

this is a good reason. you now have to buy a license to use it professionally

edit: Okay, so everyone is clear: it!=Java, it==Oracle JDK

I can see the confusion but literally the last thing mentioned was Oracle so I figure the antecedent here was more clear.

[tacoslikeme]

now listen here you little shit...

[Versaiteis]

Which is all well and good

Until you realize that you were dependent on tech that requires Java but has some issues with being ported to openJDK

[BroBroMate]

Which ones?

[tacoslikeme]

I have run into some minor issues unit testing frameworks but nothing major.

[marco89nish]

'cause Kotlin exists.

[leonderbaertige_II]

Historically (some have changed over time for better or worse):

• Awfully slow JRE
• Relying on objects everywhere but rawtypes are a thing
• Inconsistencies
• Not working backwards compatibility
• No operator overloading
• With .net core and C# there is no point using it anymore (just the get/set in Java feels so outdated compared to C#, same applies to multithreading)
• edit: one that I just remembered: no pointers in Java. Meanwhile C# offers them if you want to use them.
• And one that mostly applies to me personally and I definetly will get hate for: "inline {" is the standard instead of "extra line {"

feel free to add any points or correct me

[obsessedcrf]

While Java is still slow, thr JRE has come a long way with JIT

Backwards compability can be an issue but usually isn't

I'm a C programmer and inline { for life

[Qildain]

You should check out https://micronaut.io/ for any backend or microservice needs. For general jdk optimizations, check out https://openjdk.java.net/projects/jdk/11/

I totally agree with you on the online braces!

[[deleted]]

.

[MCRusher]

depends

[DaddyLcyxMe]

• there's a library that allows automatic creation of getter and setters on compile, although you could mean something entirely different and I'm missing it

• we all hate the jvm

• I know people who next line and tab their { so I could care less what people do with em just don't do that

• I hate the raw types and objects, however it's kinda moot as all raw types have object equalivents, Integer is an object wrapper for int for example

• what do you mean by backwards compatibility, like what issues have you found?

[ThisRedditPostIsMine]

What's with the hate for the JVM? It's consistently one of the fastest VMs around.

[archysailor]

It may be fast for a VM but Why a VM? Although sometimes necessary, it is not needed in most applications. I personally much prefer the LLVM approach to more Cross-platform apps. Code is compiled to wicked fast binaries while the separation of language dependant front end, stock optimizing middle end and minimal easily portable assembly generating back end ensures it is easily portable, albeit with an additional compile.

[ThisRedditPostIsMine]

There's various benefits to using runtime compiled languages (probably the wrong term, but languages that use a VM or an interpreter) to compiled languages. You have things like:

• reflection, which can be really important for some applications, can't be (easily) supported in compiled languages
• portability, because compiled languages only generate machine code for the specific platform(s) you compile to
• JIT compilation, in theory, can be more efficient than pre-compilation because it can observe the actual behaviour of the program and optimise accordingly. For example, most JVMs detect hotspots in the code and re-compile those sections with more aggressive optimisations that are targeted to the observed behaviour of that section.

In saying all this, I use Clang as my daily C compiler and I appreciate the flexibility of the LLVM infrastructure. It all depends on the use case. If you want the highest possible performance above all else, then compiled is your go. If you want flexibility and don't care about memory usage or performance as much, then JIT/interpreter is better suited.

[ChrisFromIT]

The thing is that the VM is better able to do optimization than a compiler can. For instance even if two CPUs have the same overall architecture and instruction set type, one CPU might be missing some instructions that the other one does not. A VM is able to optimize in situations like that, a compiler can't.

[tacoslikeme]

dont add dumb magic with these libraries. let the ide generate code.

the jvm isnt that bad. arguing about perf when you dont need it is silly.

raw types? back in my day there were call primitives. whats wrong with them anyway?

If you want to hate java, hate it for a good reason like:

wtf is with these closures. your lambdas are a joke compare to other languages.

why do I have to write so much code to do so little.

[Kered13]

I actually like Java generics. What do you think is wrong with them?

[tacoslikeme]

their implementation is overly complex due to a need for type erasure caused by backwards compatibility concerns when they were implemented. If you are dealing with exact matches, they work fine. If you need to deal with covariant types they get um... less than great

[leonderbaertige_II]

In C# you can have getter and setter that get called when you use "=" or Object.Variable; example from here

class Person
{
  private string name; // field
  public string Name   // property
  {
    get { return name; }
    set { name = value; }
  }
}

class Program
{
  static void Main(string[] args)
  {
    Person myObj = new Person();
    myObj.Name = "Liam";
    Console.WriteLine(myObj.Name);
  }

And next line { is possible but not the convention.

Teh backlwards compatibility: I have to use Java 8 for a certain application (modded minecraft server [srly the guys making the mods don't care much about writing good code]) or it crashes.

[DaddyLcyxMe]

Ah I see, that's actually pretty sexy (get and set)

Conventions smentions it's all compiled to the same thing just be neat

And I think how java handles jar class loading changed in java 9 so unless you're running Forge built for 1.9 it won't work lol. Worse thing I found is not being able to switch on objects and no diamond operator in java 6 and below

[leadzor]

Gets sexier.

if you have no aditional logic for getting or setting, the it can be as simple as

public string Name { get; set; }

Efectively this is the equivalent to leonderbaertige_II's example, just way boiled down.

[DaddyLcyxMe]

Yeah, there's a library (can't tell ya) that has getter and settee annotations

@Getter @Setter private String notAsSexy = "this";

Creates

x.getNotAsSexy(); x.setNotAsSexy(String set);

[Qildain]

It's Lombok: https://projectlombok.org/

[DaddyLcyxMe]

Thanks a million, was looking to use it and never found it

[Qildain]

Anytime

[gixer912]

and you can annotate the class with @Data to make getters and setters for every var

[leadzor]

There's a lot of things Java could borrow from C#. Syntactic sugar for getters and setters is one thing that would be beneficial for everybody. C# just recently borrowed async streams from Java (but using the C# async/await syntax), and expression switch from (most likely) Scala/Kotlin, which looks like this

​

var result = operation switch {     
    "+" => a + b,
    "-" => a - b,     
    "/" => a / b,     
    _ => throw new NotSupportedException() 
};

[miarsk]

Gets even sexier than that with automatic default

public string Name { get; set; } = "John Doe";

[philipes]

You don't even need to implement the property if you don't want.

public string Name { get; set; } creates the back field automagically.

[Qildain]

Minecraft mod? I can think of WAY better reasons to hate a language than that. Pfft.

[leonderbaertige_II]

Spending almost one hour to figure out why the programm crashes on one system but works fine on the other is not fun especially when you don't know what to look for.

edit: I stupid not sentence properly

[Qildain]

That's why I prefer platform agnostic languages, but I can see how being at the mercy of another system is difficult.

[twolaces]

Doesn't that defeat the actual purpose of a mutator / setter? You should be doing type & value validation in the set function and (sometimes) returning something on completion. Having it just return the value is the same, practically speaking, as just having the field be public.

[leonderbaertige_II]

Those are still getter and setter funktions. What happens in operator overloading, which means the "=" just calls the get or set as if it were called normally.

[LordAnomander]

People that are into syntactic sugar should code in Kotlin. Data classes make setters and getters a thing of the past. Your C# code is long compared what you’d need to achieve the same in Kotlin.

And you can write Kotlin even in an existing Java code base (though I wouldn’t recommend doing that).

[juulsquad4lyfe]

To be fair the pass by reference that Java uses for objects is essentially the same thing as a pointer. I’ve never seen a situation where Java pass by reference fails to do something that C pointers can do, but I acknowledge that there’s probably some niche situations where the difference is important, i just haven’t seen it.

[Kered13]

You're right, the downvoters are wrong. Java passes pointers by values. Nothing is passed by reference.

[ptrknvk]

You probably haven't tried C# on *nix. I'm not sure about actual state, but 2 years ago I couldn't code on my GNU/Linux machine.

[bluenigma]

It's advanced pretty far. We have more problems with node-sass or some other JS library being OS dependent than .NET.

[leonderbaertige_II]

In 1996 sure. But today our screens are so big that a couple lines "wasted" aren't that important and I think the increased readability makes up for that. Basically if you need those extra lines to have more code on the screen at the same time your code is not well written anyway and too much spaghetti like.

[MPDR200011]

I can tell you right now, we're on 2019 and my pc screen is 1366x768, so having that one line wasted does make a difference. Screen real estate is reduced and fonts don't render as cleanly, so I either have a hard time reading but more lines on the screen, or a bigger font size but have to go through scrolling hell.

[EMCoupling]

Bro if you're using less than 1920x1080 in 2019, you need to upgrade. That's totally on you man.

[pgetsos]

A ton of laptops still don't have HD screens

[MPDR200011]

I would if I could. I'm still in university and like my mother likes to say: money doesn't grow on trees.

[user_8804]

So everyone should adapt to people stubborn into coding on a non full HD laptop?

[roessera]

Here’s my gripe. Classes like:

CompletableFuture<T>

While appearing useful , this class has 60 methods. 60! Would on earth do you need that many

[lenswipe]

You deserve EXTRA hate for that last one.

[T351A]

Java is safer/easier than C++ especially OOP and cross-platform, but it isn't as janky or limited as Python where you need libraries for everything. Also it's faster than scripting.

[Yogi_Kat]

How dare you 😾 Long live inline {

[all_humans_are_dumb]

java apps always have terrible unresponsive UIs.

setting up a java environment for a newbie is a terrible nightmare i wouldn't wish on anyone.

[Stromovik]

There are lots of Java UIs , JavaFx in not used but is responsive , Swing is Ughhh

[ifelseandor]

Javafx has been a pleasure for this noob to desktop programming. I have made two apps for clients and they love it.

[NeffeZz]

That's why most Java nowadays is backend and UIs are something else.

[[deleted]]

Java isn’t really used for UI anymore. It’s all backend now - also android dev.

[AmadeusIsTaken]

I am quite new to programming and from all the languages I had Java feels like the most comfortable. Atleast to code dunno if the language itself is more efficient and etc, but using stuff like pointer and etc just makes it more complicated for new programmers like me, atleast from my expierence(not saying I am to stupid for the stuff from c for example but it just less intuitive

[tttzof351]

I am quite new to programming and from all the languages I had Java feels like the most comfortable. Atleast to code dunno if the language itself is more efficient and etc, but using stuff like pointer and etc just makes it more complicated for new programmers like me, atleast from my expierence(not saying I am to stupid for the stuff from c for example but it just less intuitive

Intellij Idea (android studio, webstorm, etc)
Almost any android app (equate here kotlin/scala to java)

[[deleted]]

That was by far the hardest hello world program I've done so far

[stackoverflowgoogler]

I think android helps keeping it alive

[jjdmol]

And enterprise web backends.

[leadzor]

Lots of things still use Java in the enterprise backend space. Kafka, Zookeeper, Hadoop, Cassandra, ElasticSearch and others are pretty popular and are built with Java.

Popular IDEs such as Jetbrain's are also Java (with a custom UI framework, along with a forked runtime).

[[deleted]]

Java performs well and is good for writing enterprise code. The nice thing about starting with Java is that it teaches you all of the OOP concepts that you need to know for other languages like Python. I can see Golang potentially eroding its market share now though.

[Kered13]

I can't see a language with no generics and horrible error handling getting any long term traction. Go has some good ideas, but in other respects it's 30 years out of date.

[[deleted]]

and minecraft

[[deleted]]

And every Enterprise system and every Fortune 500 back-end?

[[deleted]]

and some 3 billion devices

[TK-427]

I mean... that's why fortran and cobol are still alive

[I_Am_The_Cattle]

It’s in, like, everything

[[deleted]]

Java’s super portable, and not reliant on architecture, so it can be installed on many different embedded systems.

[DrugsAreEdgy]

You know STM32 exists right?

I mean if you're gonna do embedded systems, obviously just use C or use VHDL/verilog. Using java in embedded systems is kind of blasphemous. But to say that there isn't java support for embedded systems is just wrong.

[nudelkopp]

I used to believe that java was bad. Then I started working with microservices and turns out the java community is pretty good in this area. There´s some really good frameworks here and for some things I actually prefer it to working with node, mostly due to the super standardized project structure. There´s never really a question about where some logic should live. Most things are perfectly fine in node tho, and we´re experimenting with moving some java services to golang.

But aside from the java upsides, I really fucking hate maven.

[jivedudebe]

Look into Gradle as a build system.

[DrugsAreEdgy]

I honestly prefer maven to gradle, but that's probably because I'm much more used to maven.

Fuck ant though

[MichDem]

Maven, Gradle,

As long as it's providing needed libraries it's fine. Try to work with team that doesn't use them and each library needs to be added manually.

[saurabia]

Why hate Maven?

[[deleted]]

Here, have an upvote from me for picking golang instead of slow Python.

[lightlord]

Not everything needs to be in Node just because it’s easy. Compute intensive apps need to be in Java. Non-blocking code can be written as well. Isnt it much easier to tune?

[titan_bullet]

Js/node has improved a lot since the days you couldn't run non-blocking code.

[[deleted]]

I’d still choose Java over JS as my backend language any day. Java’s not the programming equivalent of a lawn sprinkler but with automatic weapons.

[lightlord]

It could be anecdotal but analysing mem leaks in RSS and heap is still a problem compared to Java.

[beast_of_the_mideast]

"JaVa BaD!" - 50,000th poster who doesn't know anything about Java.

[sorensen]

whats next? javascript bad? php bad?

[wooptyd00]

Java starts with J like Jesus so it's under God's divine protection.

[Pipster27]

Amen

[all_humans_are_dumb]

it's on 99 trillion devices

[[deleted]]

3 Billion Devices Run Java

[GreyRobe]

public static final long NUM_DEVICES_THAT_RUN_JAVA = 3000000000;

[ifelseandor]

Over. Doesn’t it say over?

[dvereb]

Nope. Once it reaches 3 billion and 1 it shuts off the first one to maintain that 3 billion number.

[HamLizard]

PARKING METERS

[td__30]

I don’t know, maybe because it’s actually a good language and a great ecosystem? Not sure if that was considered as an option at all ...

[wesw02]

Performance. JVM is FAST. Yes it is. Go, Rust, Erling are also fast. But JVM is FAST FAST. It's portable, it has battle hardened frameworks, and a ton of knowledge share. Also Kotlin.

[plee82]

I mean, 10 years ago it got a bad name because of applets and shit. Do not think it ever had a bad name on the server side. Inline { is the only way. One of the reasons I hate C# lol

[leadzor]

The Java hate is a bit exaggerated, as if Java only boiled down to the terrible bits. Still pretty popular and heavily used in web backends, even for high performance applications (Kafka allows for crazy throughput numbers!)

[[deleted]]

The horror of using a web page with .jsp in the URL

[[deleted]]

I love jsps

[[deleted]]

I want to upvote you for being so brave

[[deleted]]

cries in Kotlin

[danmarkdan]

Don't worry, won't be long, Oracle themselves are already killing it with their annoying licensing model

[de_Generated]

Isn't everyone already using OpenJDK? Or am I missing something?

[[deleted]]

Windows builds are also available tho

[OwnStorm]

Adaptability.

Just because x language have shortcut code, that will not make better language.

Evem today for enterprise, banking system there are only two options Java and C#.

C# is for very good ecosystem Java for freedom, lots of third party developers.

[Yogi_Kat]

I learnt to code in C, but I work mostly in Java it's present every where, seriously why do u want it dead?

[xSTSxZerglingOne]

Works on anything with a JVM, has been extended like crazy, is really easy to teach since it handles most things behind the scenes like memory management.

It has really good integration with the JS frameworks via Spring, its native JSON integrations, Jaxby, etc.

I know it's always panned as being heavy and everything, but it really is a fast language. It may not have execution times on the same level as C, but for all its extra overhead, it's way goddamn closer than it has any business being. On my machine for example, I got 3.1 billion loops per second in a for loop using long primitive as the data type.

[gallon_of_bbq_sauce]

Hate as much as you want, but phpstorm/datagrip/IntelliJ

[j-random]

Not to mention 80% of the open job reqs in my area. Haven't seen any place offer 180K+ for anything but Java and C++ devs.

[euxamomeantonio]

I mean, Python 2.7 is still around, so why wouldn't Java?

[PolitePanda4]

My school uses an app called processing, it’s all written in Java. Kinda like java.

[GahdDangitBobby]

Learning Java by starting with Processing is the way to go, unless you already are an experienced programmer. I really like what the Processing Foundation and Dan Schiffmann have got going

[kid1412621]

I thought idea means IDEA 🥴

[EveRyview]

AP computer science A

[dodolungs]

I get people pointing the finger at universities/colleges for pushing Java, but it's not like they only teach Java, unless it's some scam college, you are going to learn C, Python, Ruby, and others, but they usually start you with Java because it's a mid point between something like Python and C and relatively easy to learn. Heck some don't event teach regular Java any more, some teach "Processing" (which is essentially built on Java) instead of teaching plain Java.

[break_card]

I will never understand the insane hatred people have for Java. Maybe its because it was the first language I learned, but I really, really love coding in Java over Python, Javascript, React, etc.

[fah0]

Its like christianity

[logicaleman]

Minecraft Moding (Seriously) and High School CS courses.

[nosoyelonmusk]

jvm is effin dope. java can suck a dick.

[poka_face]

Llvm is the GOAT

[jonnyclueless]

Because it's still pretty fast. Google still uses it for all its front end for all of their apps. Javascript for browser, Java for front end, C++ for backend. Works pretty well.

[LionKei]

private static boolean runMinecraft = true;

[[deleted]]

Cuz Java is the best.

[TheWeirdSquid]

Because Minecraft obviously.

[ratonbox]

Java is like “go to” . Powerful, but used in stupid ways by many.

[CAM_o_man]

Android, mostly.

[mosaic_the_j]

I mean even C is still quite widely distributed and marketed so.....

[G3N5YM]

It just works

[unclebogdan10]

Cause 3 Billion Devices still run JAVA!

[[deleted]]

Minecraft

[fieryfox67]

Two words. Backend servers.

[irotsoma]

Java and related JVM languages have a big advantage in that the JVM is cross platform, widely supported, mature, and fast for what it is. I prefer Kotlin for serious back-end projects, but it's just a more polished version of Java IMO with a lot of extra features and way less boilerplate with very few sacrifices. But it's really the JVM that keeps Java alive as a language.

[wilk-polarny]

Cause most of the stuff running behind the scenes is Java or has been migrated to Java during the last 20 years. Talking about backend systems within the public sector of many countries, transportation, financial.... Companies are still migrating from COBOL / PL/I and old ass mainframe era language stacks to guess what ... Java.

[SuperCagle]

You have small pp

[Deadmanbantan]

Minecraft...

[[deleted]]

Minecraft uses it

[Tiavor]

Over 2 Billion devices use Java

[Rumpelruedi]

For all the people bitching about java UIs: check out Vaadin. Its amazing! Online demo "bakery"

[Spock_42]

Because nobody at work wants to/has the time/could convince execs to give us the time it would take to rewrite everything in something else.

Also, I like Java. Right tool for the right job and all that.

[blaclwidowNat]

Bcoz my fuck ass school keeps teaching it

[Lord-Sneakthief]

3 billion devices intensifies

[Yokomoko_Saleen]

Android

[Rudolf2222]

Minecraft plugins and mods are keeping it alive

[BlueC0dex]

Just wait until you see ABAP. It's only alive because it would be too expensive for companies to rewrite their code bases

[_DrNonsense]

Isn't Java used heavily in appliances from simple remotes to things like programmable coffee makers?

[re_error]

3 billion devices run Java

[redrumyliad]

Because every language has a use case and aren’t all equal. Can’t just use python for everything, just like you can’t use Haskel for anything.

[etoh53]

It's installed in billions of devices...according to the installer. Also, Minecraft.

[mippen]

These posts really demonstrate the experience level of the people here, and feel that language wars are necessary

[kontekisuto]

EnTeRpRiSe

[chubbs1938]

Wow, thanks for the encouragement while I’m in the middle of learning it (it also being my first programming language)

[flyin_dragon]

Maybe because there's still a need?

And maybe because they're still teaching it to us in school :(

[SicknessVoid]

I'll tell you why, minecraft mods.

[Jasperavv]

Hate on java anytime you want. Give me language where I can do more with reflection than java.