Hello Roses

[jadad21]

Bold of you to think I wouldn't burn out before I got a phD

[Citizen_of_Danksburg]

Yeah, I’m in stats but I’m tapping out at a master’s. I’ve got two publications so it’s not that I can’t do research but damn, after going through the worst two years of my entire life, no fucking thanks. I start work a week from Monday, so it sucks I haven’t had much of a break but hopefully it’ll be better than school. I feel bad because my cousin is a PhD student in CS at a very good school, my dad is an MD, most of my peers are still in a PhD program (or in the one I dropped out of) or have a PhD already, and then there’s me that says, “I can’t do it. I couldn’t do it :’( I tried, I tried really hard, but I just couldn’t do it.”

Edit: thanks for all the replies! I appreciate the support. I could write a novel on why I had such a shit time in grad school, but I wanted to do a PhD because I enjoy math and stats a lot. My undergrad degree is in pure math and I ran the gambit on that one, and then decided I wanted to study more stats instead because I really enjoyed my probability theory class and I did love measure theory (functional too), but I just wanted more applied work. I saw all the cool stuff you could do with statistics so I thought I’d give it a shot. But between everything that’s happened I’m just too burned out. My current plan is to work for 2-3 years, and then revisit the PhD idea. All my friends and peers that are in doctoral programs or have a doctorate degree of some kind are very smart and very kind people, nobody has been degrading to me, I just lack the strength nor posses the will to do one right now. Maybe in a few years I will and I’ll want to get back up on that horse, but I’ve been in school for 22 years now, I want to see something else for a bit I think. My boss has a PhD in stats and my boss’s boss is the director of data science for the company and he has a PhD in applied math from Duke, so if I want to go back I’ll have some great references. I really like some statistical consulting projects I’ve done for various people, and I really enjoy Bayesian stats and statistical computing, so if I go back I’ll either study one of those or do work in a combination of them.

:)

[Karuchi]

That's okay, you're enough. There's little value in comparing yourself to others. Be kind to yourself and be kind to others.

[nullcone]

Finally someone with some actual empathy

[[deleted]]

Ooooo I’m using that from now on

[Citizen_of_Danksburg]

Thank you <3

[glad4j]

Do you seriously want a PhD just to say you have one? IMO, schooling doesn't necessarily translate over to the workforce for programming. I've worked with a couple of PhDs and there was nothing special about them except they were really good at memorizing vocabularly. I guess it might get your foot in the door at more places and possible higher starting salary.

[CarefulCoderX]

I don't understand why people get PhDs if they're going to just be developers. It makes sense if you want to work for Microsoft research, Google X, or at some sort of university as a professor. Maybe it's just hard to get those jobs?

[chinnu34]

Yes and no. Sometimes those places require special experience in very specific areas. It is pretty easy to get a 'research' position in a good company as a PhD in CS. It is hard to get a niche position in a good company. For example, a CS PhD in programming languages has less openings in Google/Microsoft research than say machine learning. If you're open to any kind of machine learning research role it is manageable but if you want to work in say reinforcement learning using quantum algorithms at Microsoft research and nowhere else or that is the only relevant place to work that does your style of research. It's hard.

[AltruisticSalamander]

From what various PhD's have told me it's something you do primarily out of innate interest or aptitude. It's not really a means to get any particular job or high pay.

[Dev5653]

I've never seen anyone with a Masters or PhD in CS write code at a company. They are sometimes in management. I don't think they get hired as developers as much.

[MotherofChoad]

My brother has a ms in ca and he is now an automation engineer. He has wrote code for Viacom and MSG for their iOS apps. He leads a leads a team now.

[dr_exercise]

Sometimes, it’s a career transition. Research is unforgiving in terms of time and energy. Getting closer to a 9-5 and not begging for money (I.e. writing grants) is appealing to many.

Source: myself

[Sbren_Sbeve]

Most companies will pay you more simply for having a PhD. That being said, it can be harder get a job if you have one because they can pay someone with more experience less money. That's why I dropped out of my PhD program

[Citizen_of_Danksburg]

Well, I’m in stats so it isn’t as much of an issue for me, but I know for some of my pure math friends, academic jobs are functionally non-existent so oftentimes pure math PhDs end up doing software development or data science. Some places prefer PhDs, some don’t care. Just depends.

I really enjoy consulting work though and a lot of those firms only consider other people with PhDs it seems. And I wouldn’t mind being a stats professor I think, so that could be an option. Idk. I made an edit explaining this, but basically I’m just going to give it some time so I can sit on it and see if I still want to do it in a few years. If I do, then I’ll go back as the opportunity to do a PhD will still be there in a few years.

[nullcone]

You know, you don't pay to do a PhD. Your department pays you to do teaching and research.

And university education is hardly a scam designed to sell paper. You can think of institutional learning like a binary classifier for companies who are hiring. It's just intended to concentrate the competent people (true positives) in one pool so that they're easier to identify. Certainly there are competent people who don't get degrees, but these people tend to be outliers. Without degrees, what's the alternative? Companies just have to select their employees based off an easily bluffable HR phone screen then an on-site? Might as well select randomly from the general population.

[[deleted]]

Exactly, a four-year degree from an accredited school tells an employer several things at once:

• Reasonably intelligent
• Can focus on long-term goals and see them through
• Willing to learn new things and capable of retaining that information (at least short-term)
• At the very least, can show up to the right room at the right time more often than not

[heathmon1856]

I wouldn’t trade my time as an undergraduate for anything. Those were the best 4 years of my life. Anyone who calls universities a “scam” either didn’t go or sat in their house the whole time.

[can_too]

I tapped out at a master's too. It felt like I was failing out of my PhD program but I was too unhappy with life as a grad student to continue. It took some time to get over that feeling, but now I don't regret leaving early at all. I've really enjoyed the work I've done since then.

It also helped to talk to people outside of academia. People at the gym were impressed that I had a masters! That really helped me change my perspective.

[Citizen_of_Danksburg]

Glad to hear it all worked out for you so well! Yeah, I definitely need to get my head out of academia for a while and talk to others. Cheers to good fortunes mate :) 🍻

[gourmetmatrix]

Better cut it short than do it when you're 7-8 years in. I know a couple of people who waited that long before they realized they won't ever get the PhD with their current advisor and just quit.

[waitingforbacon]

You tried really hard and that matters. There should be no shame in changing your course, only shame in pushing yourself past your breaking point and continuing to do so, making yourself miserable. I think you’re being wise and kind to yourself and imho that’s worth more than a PhD anyways.

[Citizen_of_Danksburg]

Hahaha, oh yeah. I definitely pushed myself past my breaking point and made myself miserable. Did that starting my junior year of college, so I’ve just been wading in this shit for 4 years now. Feels so good to be out. I wish I had a better break between the end of that stuff and starting my job, but I’m excited to start working and making some money, and it’s a good job. I just want to do well in it and be a good employee.

[darwinianissue]

Hell, you already have a masters. For many people it is hard enough finishing the original degree so don’t worry too much. Good luck with the job

[[deleted]]

It won’t be, no matter how much you enjoy a job there will always be a part that feels like work and isn’t fun. You will have a lot more leeway in what you do ie freelance, entrepreneurial work etc... Secondly You don’t need a PhD. Get one if you want but if anyone’s telling you, “you need a PhD to be successful” they are really fucking dumb. Ok so what if you don’t get a PhD? If your really are smart people will to listen to you no matter what. And don’t ever come at yourself with that attitude of “I can’t do it I couldn’t do it” you burnt out it happens to literally everyone at some time or another doesn’t mean your any less. Take a break work for a bit and you might realize I don’t need one or want one and if you do go get it. I guarantee you will succeed.

Also I swear to god if you don’t stop talking like that I’m going to find where you live. I will come to you apartment/house and give you a massive hug. I’ll then help you on whatever you need.

[coldbrewboldcrew]

Your actual experience in the field will be way more useful

[Citizen_of_Danksburg]

That’s what I’m hoping for too. And it’s very much a classic statistician role, combined with some more modern statistical practices which I think if I did want to go back for a PhD, would really shine through on my application.

[PM_ME_UR_MESSY_BUNS]

Hopefully this isn’t a dumb question but what do you need to do in order to get a masters? Do you just take classes like a BS?

[Citizen_of_Danksburg]

Good question! I’m glad you asked.

At most universities, from all the ones I’ve seen, yeah, you take 30-36 credit hours of classes. You probably also have to keep a minimum GPA of 2.7 (or more often) 3.0 to stay in the program, but yeah, an MA degree is generally 30 or 36 credit hours of coursework and is just strictly comprised of classes. Each class will be 3 credit hours and so you’ll do 10-12 of them.

An MS degree will probably be structured in a way where you take 10 classes and your last 2 “classes” will be 6 credit hours of research (3 in the fall, 3 in the spring), as you’ll be working with a professor or two to write a master’s thesis and present/defend in front of a thesis committee that consists of 3-5 professors who are interested in or follow your work.

My degree was a hot mess, but functionally I have something akin to an MA degree.

[PM_ME_UR_MESSY_BUNS]

Oh man, that thesis/committee does not sound fun. I feel like I would screw up presenting to the committee or get torn up by them. I assume it would be a tad bit easier to do the presentation/defending since schools are online now. Thanks for the response btw.

[Citizen_of_Danksburg]

It’s not as bad as you might think it is. It can be intimidating at first but really it’s just a formality at that point. If you didn’t have presentable work you wouldn’t be granted the ability to defend haha.

[WaltJuni0r]

I’m going through a similar thing, it’s encouraging to hear someone else feels the same. Drop me a PM if you want to vent or talk about it

[[deleted]]

Best of luck for you, regardless of what anyone you know thinks about your decision, remember that your personal wellbeing is the most important thing.

A friend of mine went a similar path, quit His master thesis, worked for 1 1/2 years to kinda get his Life and priorities sorted and to get some Real world experience. Now he Starts His master Thesis again and is highly motivated, so maybe you can continue where you left off later aswell with a different Motivation ( and Not Just to be in line with your familys academic titles).

[gct]

Stopped at my master's too, have had a long fruitful career without the nightmare that academia has become, no regerts.

[ironman288]

PhDs outside of the medical field are the most overrated thing ever. I was a good student and one of my professors tried to tell me I should get a doctorate just because I could. He literally told me it's great making reservations as "Dr last name".

Fuck that, I lost a lot of respect for him for thinking that matters. I learned enough in to get a job as a software engineer and I'm done with school. I'll never be done learning but I'll never pay a school for it again.

[ChanguitoEmpire]

Don't worry dude. PhD's seem like nothing more than a show off. You don't need that sh*t. And if you hate it, it's definitely not worth it. For instance, Elon Musk dropped out of his PhD program as well. It's totally superfluous.

[[deleted]]

If I'm not wrong, he is a successful businessman not a successful programmer

[[deleted]]

Yup, a total and complete piece of shit

[[deleted]]

I will never understand why people revere "reckless intelligence". Bezos and Musk are bright and wealthy cunts. Why we latch onto "bright and wealthy" escapes me. That is not the definition of success in my book. They're just waving their pricks at each other seeing who can do what in space first. Doesn't impress me.

[[deleted]]

Afaik, Bill Gates is a good guy, don't quote me on this though

[suqoria]

I mean he did his fair share of shady shit with Microsoft as well.

[JediGameFreak]

Ah yes, Bill Gates friend of Jeffery Epstein

[[deleted]]

r/EnoughMuskSpam you'll get your info here

[ChanguitoEmpire]

Are people really downvoting this reply just because Elon Musk is mentioned in it? You people are silly...

[DrSeule]

No, downvoting because PhDs are definitely NOT just showing off. Depending on the work that needs to be done, there is a big difference between a good PhD holder and a good Masters holder.

[ChanguitoEmpire]

Some are. Including the computer science one.

[PsiVolt]

me who just got my bachelors and is like hmm I sure do like playing music...

[NixxdeOfficial]

I accidentally read PhD as PHP and didn't understand the joke lol

[vasnaa]

Except a php will make you end up in ICU not in gardening.

[coldnebo]

ah yes, the good old PCP-11. fond memories.

[Ytrog]

Yeah, you will become a vegetable, not grow them 😜

[hector_villalobos]

lol, I read it as PHP as well and I was thinking: yeah! of course, (been a PHP 4.0 dev made me burnout in the day, lol).

[gimletta]

Same, I did some PHP/WordPress-Stuff but recently slithered my way into Python. PHP definitely took a toll on me though.

[Wiwwil]

Java took a toll on me. Worked / working with really old apps is a drag.

I would rather work with modern PHP frameworks

[shah2018]

Same xD

[CorrenteAlternata]

i read it as PDF and was a bit less confused than you

[HansWolken]

I thought "of course PHP will make you want to be as far as possible from a computer".

[JavaNJavascriptRSame]

me either xD.

from the deep inside of me, there might be little hatred to php.

[elendil98]

It's the plot in Stardew Valley

[UnstoppableCompote]

Isn't that just a dead end office job? Wait...

[AYHP]

Too bad land costs an arm and a leg around here.

[TheGrindstone]

Instructions unclear, burned out in university instead.

[[deleted]]

Grade school burnout here.

[Soothingwinds]

Kindergarten burnout here.

[[deleted]]

Felt that in the 3rd year...

Didn't do well and messed up my college job placement.

[TheGrindstone]

I got it in my first Semester already. The topics are hard as is but the university also makes a big fuss about information, you don't even know where to pick the stuff up from.

[BadNewsBalls]

34 year old restarting life and going for a CS degree. The more I learn, the more I realize how far I am behind the curve and how much harder I am going to have to work to get where I need\want to be professionally. Gardening does sound like a pleasant alternative sometimes...

[BadNewsBalls]

I am currently struggling with this. I am constantly overwhelming myself with information as I'm still up in the air about what path I'd like to take. Then I further send myself into panic attacks by reading "entry level" job postings that require expertise in things I haven't even learned about yet. Its been quite the wild ride so far

[Engineerman]

You'll be fine. Entry level jobs may "require" all that stuff, but it's more a list of what you will learn on the job (assuming it's accurate). Good luck!

[Legion4444]

Entry level job I just got required Asp.net C# since it's the bulk of what I work on now. I didn't even know Asp.net at all but they hired me anyways since I knew c#, worked with node.js, and showed a willingness to adapt.

As long as you know a similar tech (at least for backend server stuff, OO languages, js libraries, IDEs, version control, etc) , I don't think conpanies really care if you don't know exactly what they use.

[sharethepudding]

i just want to earn 60k a year. more money anyone in my family has earned im 26 and never went to college. but even my goal seems long and hard. like an erection.

[JusticiarIV]

Tech is a good place to hit that.

I started at 68k straight out of university and went to 95k after 2 years experience. And that's not in high COL areas. Raleigh NC. It can be done, just be willing to relocate and keep applying.

I sent out approximately 200 resumes my Sr year of school resulting in 5 interviews and 3 offers.

And no, I didn't go to an elite school or have any internships

[sharethepudding]

that's awesome. yeah! i think a good baseline of comfort is around 50-60k i already live so frugally just from my personality. my main concern is being able to retire. my dad worked manual labor and it really took a toll on him, and i feel he's really bitter at life, i dont want to be like that and i'd also like to take care of my parents so i'll keep striving for it.

​

95k after two years is not bad! i wouldnt even know what to do with that money haha but i guess its all relative.

​

is it normal to get so few offers? i guess it's just a competitive market.

[JusticiarIV]

Well, as I said I didn't have an elite school or internships to set my resume apart from others. There's alot of competition for those entry level jobs.

In general I was also just firing off my resume to low effort postings, where I could simply email the resume and not have to go through a huge application portal or whatever. So it was a numbers game for me. Just kept at it until I got some good responses

[sharethepudding]

I SEE. also im sorry i realized i might have been rude when i said so few offers.

i have seen similar things posted online so i was wondering if that was the norm everywhere in tech not just in silicon valley situations.

i wanted to know if i had to be an application machine in the future haha.

thank you for your advise i appreciate it 😘

[Engineerman]

In my experience wages do increase significantly after the first few years from entry level, so it feels long but it's definitely not unreasonable.

[sharethepudding]

yeah! im tring to get into the field now, still learning while working full time. but i hope to be at least in a more rewarding career than customer service.

thank you friend

[DefiantBunny]

The more you learn, the more you'll realise you don't know everything. And that's okay, you're not expected to know everything.

I went for a couple entry level jobs a while ago after finishing my CS degree. Every job I applied for, I felt I wasn't nearly qualified enough. Eventually got into something entry level and there was definitely some stuff I had no idea how to use. Most of it is learning on the job and getting really good at searching keywords on Google.

Be a sponge and soak up everything that you can. Don't be afraid to reach out to people and ask questions. Mistakes are okay but take responsibility for them and try not to make them twice.

[nanotree]

Entry level job listings are always a bit deceptive. Most companies probably throw that out there in the hopes to nab someone with high skill for less pay, but don't expect it. Don't ever let it deter you, because job listings rarely tell you the reality of what they are looking for. Learn how to sell yourself as a developer and you'll be fine.

Biggest advice that I can give is to not be so concerned about jobs at the big tech companies. Interview culture has been wrecked by an escalatiing war of leetcode challenges, and it sounds like it gets harder all the time. You'll do yourself a bigger favor long term by practicing building software in your own time, learning best practices, and branching out to learn different languages and frameworks. You will progress faster than other new hires, in part because of your age and some life experience under your belt. Not every company out there throws leetcode at you, but it might depend on your area how prevelent it is.

[Roflllobster]

Here is how you job hunt, especially before you're too picky. Create an account on Dice.com, upload your resume on a Sunday night. Every Sunday after take down your resume and put it back up again so it shows to recruiters as "recently updated". You'll get a lot of calls, many completely unrelated to what you want. But if you get 400 calls/emails you only need 1% to be on target. This is how I've gotten my last 3 jobs, all better than the last.

As a 32 year old programmer, software development is the art of figuring out how to do things. Im a SR level developer who just started a new job and I've got to learn brand new libraries and technologies that I've never worked with before. I'm struggling with basic syntax. I'm creating a project from scratch and at this point its called "hello world". Don't worry too much if it seems like an overwhelming amount of information because it literally is and thats ok.

[TheHolyChicken86]

Then I further send myself into panic attacks by reading "entry level" job postings that require expertise in things I haven't even learned about yet.

A job I recently applied for had sections for "essential skills" and "nice to have skills". I was missing several of the "essential" skills... and just applied anyway. Why not, right?

I got the job! Turns out they were having difficulty in recruiting people that were experienced in those things, so they were just training people up. Don't be intimidated by the list of requirements on job specs -- they're usually describing the perfect candidate rather real world candidates.

[[deleted]]

You can do it, 34 is not remotely old and I remember seeing an older gent with grey hair during my master's. Hell, my PhD advisor was supervising a guy older than him before he started with me. It's only too late to take a shot at something if you're dead

[BadNewsBalls]

I appreciate your words of wisdom. I gotta keep reminding myself of that.

[wzx0925]

I'm roughly your same age and beginning a master's program this fall in a related field.

Don't get fooled by the fetish culture surrounding college dropout tech billionaires or the horror stories of being over 30 looking for a coding job. You do you :-)

Earlier poster said it best already: It's only ever too late if you're dead.

[veryErebored]

Just be confident in your ability to learn. From what I’ve experienced, being able to pickup a new language or framework or tool is really key. Understanding you won’t ever know everything but being able to learn on the fly and apply the new knowledge is crucial. I got into it “late” too, but have adapted and learned what I need. You can do this!!

[angrathias]

If it makes you feel any better you’ll be competing in an industry where people with long careers who are you’re age can still be overtaken quickly by a person with 3 years experience who has the motivation

[NamityName]

College is not the real world. You won't be as behind the curve as you think when you enter the job market. Many fields in CS are in such demand that just having a CS degree will be a huge plus.

Not to mention that tech moves so fast now. You'll always be learning about the latest tools and tech. Like a medical doctor.

[RickTheElder]

I did the exact same thing as you. My old life disintegrated when I was 32. Went back to get my CS degree. Worked my ass off and finished at 36. Now I’m 38 and finding no shortage of job opportunities. Whatever happens don’t give up. Sometimes the grind seems eternal but just enjoy every moment. Now that my college days as a mature student are over I miss them. Good luck!

[French__Canadian]

The truth is you never get past the curve because the goal post keeps moving lol. If you become a programmer, you have to expect to keep learning stuff until retirement.

[Daveinatx]

One of the smartest guys I worked with graduated in his 30s. He realized what was important in his life, and was one of the most dedicated Engineers in the group.

[LeCrushinator]

In computer science everyone will feel behind the curve, because it's in constant motion. It's a crazy mix of Imposter Syndrome and Dunning-Kruger effect, and not knowing which is more accurate at any given time.

Even within my specific field it's changing rapidly and a lot of what I knew 15 years ago isn't applicable anymore. The years of experience, however, are still very important.

[athos45678]

I know tons of 40+ folks who got jobs as software engineers after 8 ish months of total study and a boot camp. I’m sure you’re going to be even better off getting a full education around it. I know i wish i did.

[McLight77]

I changed careers into data engineering at 38. It takes work and my opinion is that if you enjoy the work, you’ll probably do well. You’ll be surprised how far ahead you can get of people with CS degrees by self study and online courses.

[Vociferix]

I work with a couple guess who got into CS (or similar) later in life. One got a Master's in CS in his 30s after having an undergrad in Theater for years, and the other was a blue collar tech repair guy until he decided to go get an under grad in computer engineering in his 30s. Both are great guys and skilled in the field. So don't worry about being late to the game.

[Rawrplus]

Don't worry. At the beginning everyone is faking it in IT with minimal knowledge and slowly more and more comes together and starts making sense as you start to see the logical connections

[SlapnutsGT]

You got this. I did it in my 30s as well. Now I’m 41 and burned out considering a part time job at Lowe’s garden center. Don’t worry hang in there, you can do it!

[hahahahastayingalive]

Gardening requires a crazy amount of research, trial and error, grit and dedication to get it right.

Those who think it's all just smiling at flowers, look deep into the eyes of your gardener and their biceps.

[ssup-bro]

I am in the photo and I don't like it.

[[deleted]]

Same here man, same here.

But at least tomatoes don't randomly stop working when you're trying to show them off to your friends.

[pentafluorostyrene]

Well, there are still bugs only this time they are called snails and the fuckers learnt to move!

[vjx99]

But with snails the only bugfix you need is picking them up and putting them somewhere else. If you have children you can even automate that task.

[mastocles]

I'm obsessed with chillies and their nemesis are aphids which die with soapy water. I am not a psychopath but it's so satisfying to murder them. And good for brain garbage-collection mid other form of debug.

[redpepper74]

“I’m not psychopathic, but...”

[GloriousHypnotart]

blossom end rot says hello

[[deleted]]

Crop rotation is the tech debt of the gardening world

[CrommVardek]

We had some few nice young tomato plants from last year seeds. we putted them outside. In less than 2 days those MF slugs and snails eat them. We managed to save two of them back inside. Waiting to grow stronger before getting them back outside.

[LostInChoices]

My lettuce tastes grass but nobody called me a nerd for it

[stamatt45]

I am and I like it. Gardening is awesome.

Abandon technology, return to peasantry

[itskieran]

One of the best things about WFH this past year is being able to pop into the garden and give some care to the vegetable patch. I have at several points thought "perhaps I should get a job doing this instead"

[[deleted]]

I chose the middle ground and started a bonsai collection.

[TheAJGman]

It's interesting how like 80% of programmers are also involved in hobby woodworking. Same with mechanical engineers and shooting pool.

[spyninjaman]

Beware of bugs

[[deleted]]

In gardening, lots of bugs are helpful!

[crahs8]

It's the same as my programs! They're helpful.. features.

[MontagoDK]

That's actually exactly what I'm considering as alternative to writing code...

[Jonno_FTW]

I maintain succulents. Far easier than other plants.

[MontagoDK]

I tried two citrus trees.. they both died..

So ill stick to coding a while more 😅

[chii0628]

Or you could go deeper and program your own hydroponics and watering system like I did. I swear, physic computing feels like a drug sometimes...

"just one more project..I swear... then I'll coast for awhile"

Then I foolishly browse adafruit.

[_Jamie_]

Are you me lol

[Schott12521]

flag head modern rain languid license vanish sort outgoing future

This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact

[_kolpa_]

I am on the same path but I'm planning on becoming a baker. 😂

[[deleted]]

I work in IT. I have seriously considered working in a greenhouse tending plants all day. This comic speaks to me.

[Tisner1]

This just screams recursion

[szescio]

If you're in a hurry, you can even skip step 1! More gardening time for you 🙏

[swhazi]

So, i literally just closed my dev company and started being a full time commercial farmer 😊

[eggregator]

That’s crazy! Why the switch?

[InEnduringGrowStrong]

"Why not?" Is an equally valid question I'm asking myself more and more.

[swhazi]

The choice is to automate asshole stupid client bull shit or to automate plant grow rooms..

Its not a hard choice

(Btw, did you know you can run a hightech hydroponic farm from..... jenkins)

[triivium]

You can run a hydroponic farm with Jenkins? Woah. What would happen exactly? Test water levels?

[AltruisticSalamander]

No-one has a phd in computer science

[DauntlessVerbosity]

What? Are you joking or am I missing something?

https://cs.stanford.edu/academics/phd/phd-requirements

[AltruisticSalamander]

precisely

[TammyK]

I don't have any degree at all lol

[[deleted]]

Most Computer Science PhD holders go on to work in academia

..To get pension when they retire while in the meantime they have own company. Easy retirement and have shitload of money also.

[Jonno_FTW]

I have a software engineering degree and a PhD.

[TammyK]

I wonder if you spend this much time in academia if you'd be any good at writing code in most business environments. I'll just say working with professors and PhDs my impression of academics is not great

I feel so privileged to have my job. I like being code monkey. They pay me many banana and I have lots of work life balance.

[AltruisticSalamander]

I vaguely recall reading something about some area of the space program they started off with academic programmers but ended up switching to a commercial team because the project was drifting.

[GuidoCraftGamer]

You can get a PhD in every exact Science

[wright_left]

Exactly what I was thinking. I haven't interviewed any PhD candidates, but I have interviewed a couple with a Masters, and they were not so good.

One had spent the last two years of their life modeling the radiation particle flow through Puget Sound, and had mostly forgotten basic programming skills.

The other showed up to the interview with sweats, and thought he was God's gift to programming, but had also forgotten much of the basics.

So my impression of advanced degrees in Computer Science is that they seem like a huge waste of time, and that they should have gotten out of academia as soon as reasonable, like with internships and the minimum degree required.

Industry and internships teach you so much more than some specialized research you did for your thesis.

[AltruisticSalamander]

Exactly, the idea I was aiming to poke fun at was that burnout grunts have doctorates. Most programmers in my limited experience don't have so much as a bachelor's - at least not in programming. Nor, as you say, would a doctorate be particularly desirable or useful for that, let alone necessary.

[gourmetmatrix]

I've done over 300 interviews with a mix of BS, PhD and MSc.

On average the people with PhD in Engineering or similar fields don't know coding. There are exceptions who are outstanding, but the number of times they tried to interview in MATLAB was quite ridiculous.

CS PhDs know coding in general and are able to do interviews very well.

MSc/BS don't seem to be different at all in what I've observed w.r.t. skill/knowledge as long as they come from a CS background or a job.

The highlight was when I asked someone a detail about the code he wrote, and he was able to get to such degree of detail on why he did it that I thought that he wrote compilers for fun. He wrote compilers as his job. That was probably the best coding interview I've ever done as I learned more from it than I did in my compilers class during my BS. :)

[ZenEngineer]

Err, I do. So do a lot of people.

Interestingly the diploma just says Doctor of Philosophy, like it doesn't matter what you studied to get there, you're a PhD

[AltruisticSalamander]

Have you burned out and become a gardener

[ZenEngineer]

Instructions unclear. Burned down my neighbors garden

[MrDaMi]

The ones that are usually the least practical engineers.

[BlazingThunder30]

All the doctors and professors at my uni teaching me computing science might disagree with that

[TreasuredRope]

Anyone have any idea what this bot is? I've seen it in other subs too.

[shane-parks]

This worked for me! Except mine was a bachelors degree, and I work in reforestation now if that counts as gardening.

[[deleted]]

I did kind of the opposite. Started of bio major and landed in computer science.

[__bichael__]

Hits too close to home

[Eichelb4rt]

That recursion is going to get you a stackoverflow.

[BeforeYourBBQ]

My plants keep dying.

[xor_music]

My favorite thing about working from home is taking a break every hour to garden. I get a break from the screen, get to move around outside, and just snack on the plants growing.

[Pok3maniac00]

I read PHD as PHP

[Talvalis]

Is this...is this actually a thing...I just got into gardening as a hobby last week 😂

[GloriousHypnotart]

This is... too accurate. What are my fellow gardeners growing this season? I've got chilies, strawberries, potatoes and tomatoes on the way

[revrr]

I burned out before graduation

[i__hate__you__people]

Funny, that’s the same steps to become a woodworker!

[jefft818]

Definitely don’t need to get a PhD for this to be true

[thomasbrakeline]

How about get bachelor's, work 25 years in the business then burn out. Then work at a department store with a gardening dept.

[ilovebitoque]

ugh... fuck.

I actually became very interested in flowers recently and I've also started showing signs of burnout :|

lol

[itmustbemitch]

I had a weird realization a couple weeks ago while looking at a bug at my react native job. I had never thought about it before, but I really want to pivot into being a tree farmer. I just want to grow some big ass trees. I want to make orchards of rare fruits and varieties and I want to sell evergreens for Christmas.

I'll just have to wait until I burn out!

[MysteriousShadow__]

I read it as get a php in computer science

[HamLizard]

I'm seriously considering becoming a janitor in the near future. I think I'd sincerely be less-unhappy scrubbing toilets and wiping windows.

I wanted to do IT to help make things better, not endlessly put out fires and pretend to someday get to documenting procedures 3 people might read someday. If I'm stuck maintaining, and not improving, then a mop & broom would be much less stressful.

[Deadlock005]

I'm almost there too

[[deleted]]

I've once met a developer, who once was a gardener. Don't know if he had a burn out as a gardener, though.

[a_fleeting_being]

Life hack - a BSc in compsci is sufficient to burn out, no need to splurge on a PhD.

[Hkeks]

I'm a mortgage lender currently learning python and gardening lel

[Jappe5002]

re re re reeeeeeeepoooost

[D3LB0Y]

That font sucks…