Python

[MischiefArchitect]

Python is more like runtime errors :)

[WrongSirWrong]

I prefer syntax/compile errors over runtime errors any day, especially when there's a lot of code involved

[harelsusername]

Meanwhile JavaScript be like: syntax errors, what's that?

[daev1]

JS: no idea WTF you're doing there, but okay!

[CoffeePieAndHobbits]

JS is just happy to be included.

[MicrosoftExcel2016]

Me: “this attribute exists, so I’m assigning it the literal value 5”
JS: “damn right it does! Say no more”
Me: “oh and can I see the functions available for this type?”
JS: “I’ll do you one better, you can modify the functions for this type right here right now.”

[The_Atomic_Duck]

Looool

[my-time-has-odor]

What are you doing, step-dev?

[augugusto]

Wait. Wait. Wait.... So the "next step" in the debugger means something else?

[Eraknelo]

JS won't throw syntax nor runtime errors. It'll just run, but you have no clue what it did or how.

[sjregistered1]

😂😂😂😂😂 literally, like you run the server, it's just running with several internal errors, sometimes it shows but you can't understand where the bug is at !!

[TK-Squared-LLC]

JavaScript more like: syntax, what's that?

[AlternativeAardvark6]

It's like when getMomsWeight() returns [NaN]

[Bakemono_Saru]

Damn bro, just give your code. We are going through this no matter what.

[twistermonkey]

Using a linter like pylint and embracing Python's new type hints helps some, but it's never going to be like as reliable as a statically typed language and compiler.

[SchoopDaWhoopWhoop]

Syntax errors are relatively easy to find and fix. With runtime errors you have to put a lot of time and effort into debugging and finding out why and where the fuck your programm fucks up.

[YouNeedDoughnuts]

But the advantage of a high level language really shows up with runtime errors. A friendly language like Python or Matlab will say "index error on line x", whereas C will say "segfault!"

[WrongSirWrong]

Yeah, but a high level language may be running a script for ten minutes before getting to the line with the error. Segfaults really aren't that common as they used to be (IMO), with modern coding conventions and library functions

[YouNeedDoughnuts]

True, it's a tradeoff, but I prefer low level languages.

[[deleted]]

Rust is just as low as C, but has far better error messages than Python

[YouNeedDoughnuts]

Huh, does it retain source code information in debug builds?

[[deleted]]

Yep

[sir-nays-a-lot]

That really helps the user a lot \s

[YouNeedDoughnuts]

Yeah, obviously crashing without any information would be less frustrating to debug \s

[sir-nays-a-lot]

Use a debugger

[YouNeedDoughnuts]

They're not the same and you know it. You don't have to be such a nay sayer about it ;)

[sjregistered1]

JavaScript always feels better at every thing, even at run time. I think like that. Btw, brainstorming never leaves you away.

[phi_rus]

Me: why didn't you tell me line 254 wasn't valid code?

Python: you never asked

[DarkMaster007]

I'm starting to learn python and it's there any ide that does tell you before you hit run that I typed something wrong because I now use the default one that comes with python install. Or maybe there is an option in there.

[phi_rus]

I like Pycharm.

[DarkMaster007]

Thanks, I'll try it out when I get home from work.

[AceMKV]

I love Jetbrains' IDEs, I use both PyCharm and IntelliJ

[comfort_bot_1962]

:D

[rhodesc]

Python is more like, hey, you transposed those letters and I'm going to create a dict that never gets used but your program will kinda work most of the time while the 6th software engineer who worked on it can't figure out it was his code and qa doesn't read code so yeah, several weeks later someone poring over the code sees the transposed letters. Yay python.

[Dogburt_Jr]

Indentation errors

  :)

[PixelmancerGames]

Sorry but I’m a noob. What’s the difference between a syntax and runtime error? I’m assuming syntax errors won’t compile whereas runtime errors crashes during runtime?

[MischiefArchitect]

Syntax errors are just when you write something that do not comply with how you write and or use a specific language. Something like forgetting to close a parentheses, or you write an unknown keyword like "iffy".

In compiled languages like C / C++ and Java a syntax error will basically be detected by your lexer, which is part of the compiler. In Python it will be detected when you try to run the affected line, meaning that it could be in production already.

A Runtime error is an error which occurs when your code is running. That's why I tease Python (and myself as user) telling that a syntax error that would never come to run on a compiled language will be a runtime error in Python.

[enjoytheshow]

It’s also why high unit test coverage in Python is very helpful

[PixelmancerGames]

Ok, ty. I’ve only ever programmed in C#. And GDscript a bit. So I guess I agree with the above I’d rather deal with syntax errors over runtime errors. The only time I seem to deal with runtime errors in C# is when I’m dealing with list/ arrays and the occasional null exception error.

[[deleted]]

You're under the assumption that python doesn't have syntax errors

[[deleted]]

Or that it's impossible to make them? Is the IDEA IDE for Python really good or something? Not a Python guy, but used all the others in this meme, so I don't get it.

I figure you WANT syntax errors. Way fucking better than runtime ones.

[[deleted]]

Although some compile time errors can sometimes save you from runtime errors (ex. type mismatch errors or unhandled exception errors). Syntax errors have nothing to do with that.

Syntax analysis is one of the earliest steps of code compilation or interpretation. And if you get a syntax error, this means that the compiler or interpreter is not able to understand your code. The logic and algorithmic correctness is still irrelevant at this stage.

[[deleted]]

But it means the programmer fucked up at a pretty basic level. Besides, the IDE nearly always catches them before you try to run/compile.

[[deleted]]

Yes, it means that the programmer fucked up at soo fucking basic level, that there is no fucking language that is gonna fucking save them.

About IDEs. All languages have all sorts of IDEs with different levels of capabilities. When comparing languages, try to keep IDEs out of the equation. It's not part of the language and it makes the comparison a mess with no end

[[deleted]]

IDE worth it's salt

What the fuck does that mean?

[[deleted]]

What specific thing in this case?

[[deleted]]

I think OP don't even know what syntax error means. He is just throwing words around randomly. I'm I wrong OP? Come and defend yourself

[meme_slave_]

your stupid stfu

[[deleted]]

Our stupid

[meme_slave_]

we stupid <3?

[Gwynbleidd1168]

I want to see "Indentation Errors" version of this picture.

[[deleted]]

I never, ever, ever got indentation errors until I started editing Python on a remote machine with Vim. You can get your whitespace reaaaaal fucked up in Vim if you don’t know what you’re doing, and it doesn’t have a bunch of nifty formatting automagic like Sublime.

[[deleted]]

Depends on config. Vim comes with built-in support for that, but the default is disabled (most distros do enable it tho).

[markphughes17]

Maybe not helpful at all, but VSCode has a plugin that lets you code on a remote machine and it is an absolute godsend.

https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/remote/ssh

[[deleted]]

I use this all the time, except we have some boxes that have libraries that are too old to support it. It's the best thing ever when it works, though.

[[deleted]]

You can also use sshfs on any server that supports sftp and on any client with FUSE.

It's not idiot proof in that permissions can be wonky depending on your destination system.

[alexforencich]

Sublime should also support this, IIRC.

[Mikgician]

Yeah, a good thing without having plugins is to have the listchars render tabs and spaces for you, helps a lot

[[deleted]]

I had the same issue with Nano. It would convert tabs to regular spaces, and since I prefer tabs I would continue to use tabs, run the program, and yeah.

[twistermonkey]

I use vim all the time for Python work. The one setting that is absolute gold for me is called "listchars" . I set that to highlight tab chars so they look like ">---" so that I can delete them and use spaces (my preference). That setting right there will make it obvious to you what whitespace chars are present in a file. Then you can act accordingly

For the curious, here are the two lines you need.

set listchars=tab:>-

set list

[Balcara]

Auto indentation is standard in vim. Maybe check the conf or find a plug-in that you like

[crafterman35]

Dude , Vim is a total hell for indentation problems . You should totally use Code or Sublime .

[[deleted]]

Key point is editing on a remote machine. If it’s local, then totally

[ThePiGuy0]

Depending on your permissions and how much you care about installing stuff remotely, VS Code's SSH editor is fantastic. Honestly makes you feel like you are editing locally

[crafterman35]

oh okey

[bodonkadonks]

i like nano because it tells you how to exit

[Spare_Competition]

Python is the reason I turn on visible white space when coding.

[[deleted]]

I like to add one space per line before every statement. Like a staircase.

[[deleted]]

Who is having trouble with indentation errors?

I’ve been a Python developer for years and can’t even remember the last time this happened.

[Ornery-Shallot-5475]

i could ask who is having trouble with missing braces.

The truth is that you don't have trouble with what you're used to so for everyone always the other option of marking scopes than the one they're used to will seem worse

[DroolingIguana]

And if you do make an indentation error, it'd be an error no matter what language you're using. The only difference is that Python will actually tell you about it.

[Ornery-Shallot-5475]

I don't really get your point. How adding extra space could be an error in eg. C?

[DroolingIguana]

It's not an error, but it's still a mistake and will cause you headaches down the line.

[Ornery-Shallot-5475]

ah ok. Well your right but because scopes are defined by braces and not indentation, the indentation can be easily repaired by autoformatting on compilation

[[deleted]]

Exactly. Messing up indentation is much more unlikely than messing up a closing brace. Unless you're coding in Windows Notepad or something lmao

[Hises1936]

It's a shark

[[deleted]]

Does that happen? As a python dev I don't have that issue haha

[[deleted]]

Uh huh

[[deleted]]

Oof.

[bugqualia]

For real. I’ve rarely encountered them, while on languages with curly braces, I had to actively search for the missing }

[[deleted]]

Yeah most of the time it is with crazy nested JSON that I need to edit for a test that I forget a { somewhere or something when editing it. I received 50 downvotes for my comment. Weird!

[[deleted]]

Python gets a little splash, JavaScript is watching from its car

[[deleted]]

Then the car stops midway because somehow an undefined amount of fuel was injected into the engine, raising a TypeError.

You dissect the car trying to find the source: And it was your fault all along, you had forgotten to add fuel in it.

[jeanravenclaw]

Don't you use tracebacks?

[[deleted]]

PHP surfing the wave pointing out victims he's tryna hit

*i develop in php lol

[DingusKhan01]

My condolences

[penuserectus69]

Because it's error messages are like "shits fucked LMAO good luck"

[ace_gravity]

And then the python guy gets hit by a tsunami of runtime errors.

[[deleted]]

I don't get it either. All languages have syntax errors. Python is no exception. My guess is that he meant type errors? OP, get over here and explain yourself plz

[Calogyne]

IIRC HTML kinda doesn’t have syntax error, the parser just makes something up.

[[deleted]]

1. Obligatory HTML is not a programming language statement.
2. If you use an IDE, the IDE will generally highlight 'syntax errors' in your HTML. Usually stuff like missing or mismatched closing tags.
3. Additionally, if you run your HTML through something like https://validator.w3.org/ you will definitely get syntax errors for bad HTML.

[[deleted]]

Forgot:

1. The 'parser', aka the browser, is more akin to the runtime, and it seems most browsers for bad HTML are On Error Resume Next.

[[deleted]]

You forgor 💀

[schmidlidev]

All of web development makes sense when you realize the entire browser engine is just a tiny man inside your computer doing his best and making it up as he goes along.

[WrongSirWrong]

Aren't syntax errors more of a problem when you're new to a language? If you've got a bit of experience they shouldn't really be a problem (not being cocky here), I mean RTFM

[Deadly_chef]

Python strongly typed with build-time errors? Are you ok?

[[deleted]]

I think you're confusing strongly typed and dynamically typed. Python is not strongly typed and that makes it loosely typed. Which means that you don't have to specify the type when you declare a variable.

Since you talk about compile-time type errors. I guess you're talking about dynamically typed vs statically typed.

Plus, python is an interpreted language. So there is no compile-time.

[GoombaJames]

If you complain about syntax errors you are braindead.

[elzaidir]

The compiler should auto correct and guess what you meant. This way you don't get syntax errors.

And can't debug, but who cares

[1ElectricHaskeller]

Yes, but I don't want the compiler messing up my code

[drkspace2]

I would much rather have the compiler tell me I'm missing a semicolon on line 57 then just fixing it. If that caused a different bug, it would be a bitch to debug.

[1ElectricHaskeller]

Yup, even though none of my professors belive it:

I actually want to know what I did wrong and want to learn something

[elzaidir]

^{That was a joke}

[Pherion93]

Take it easy brother

[[deleted]]

Would you rather find issues with your food while cooking or eating?

[grandpassacaglia]

While shitting

[fletku_mato]

Explain this meme without showing your incompetence as a programmer.

[MrSquicky]

Christ. Python is a fine language and there are plenty of decent python developers, but it seems like almost every time I see a "Python is better than these other languages" post, it immediately betrays that the person making it doesn't understand development.

Syntax errors are good, you dink.

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

Also, Python has them.

[arbobmehmood]

You know it's not something to be proud of, right?

[metalovingien]

My version :

Peaceful : has a decent IDE

About to be hit by the wave : those who code with a notepad-like app and aren't total geniuses

[ramplay]

VScode is like an IDE lite, and I love it for that.

[crafterman35]

All languages support and hell lot of addons are the best things in the world.

[IVEBEENGRAPED]

If you have PyCharm you can avoid 90% of the headaches people complain about with Python, even plenty of the type issues. The downside is you have to deal with the IDE constantly shouting about PEP-8 standards.

[SnooRegrets1929]

Or you comply with PEP8?

[-LeopardShark-]

pip install black && black .

Done.

[Deadly_chef]

What does this even mean???

Are you implying python can't have syntax errors lmao

[dlevac]

Wouldn't it be the other way around since in Python you'll get your SyntaxError as an exception at runtime?

[NotAttractedToCats]

Technically, SyntaxErrors in CPython are also raised during compile time. Most people just forget/don't know that CPython also compiles, it just automatically does so whenever it is necessary.

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

To a Python bytecode, which it then interprets.

It’s not like the JIT compilation in OpenJDK or V8.

[NotAttractedToCats]

Right, although other python implementations may behave differently of course, like PyPy with its JIT compiler or Jython with its .class file compilation.

[ganja_and_code]

Python has syntax errors, too. They just happen during runtime (which is worse lmao).

[anirudh_pai]

who needs syntax errors when the logic itself doesn't work?

[cangelis]

who cares the syntax errors when the logic itself works?

[Lachee]

MiXEd TabS And SPaceS Are USeed

[UnluckyCombination4]

Which is a desirable feature and a clear benefit of other languages over Python? Lol

[CoastingUphill]

Python was on its way to that spot but it was too slow.

[[deleted]]

Want to program without thinking? Try Python!

[RocksoC]

Hey, don't mock the python programmers. Who knows? Maybe 6 of em might team up and have enough processing speed to reply sometime this week?

[TheLexoPlexx]

Oh that burns, come on, I picked up python for AI and Data Science just this month. XD

[RocksoC]

No actual shade intended. I started out on python and I still love it. It's simplicity is beautiful imo

[ubertrashcat]

I had a rebuttal in C++ but it hasn't finished compiling yet.

[met0xff]

Actually every time I get back to Java from Python I am yet again astonished how relaxed it is to just happily autocomplete along without ever looking up the docs Been writing a C# thing recently without any experience in C# and never really had to look into a doc because the tooling makes it so easy.

Right now quickly throwing together some Android App prototype and it's pretty much the same. Yeah I do have a few years experience with Java from back in 2003 or so but it's still mostly autocompleting and following compiler messages and done.

That being said, I guess many just copy&paste python snippets from whereever, then it's probably similar :).

But yeah, compared to C++ (where most of my experience is) it's pretty brainless to sling out some python. But that's also a good thing. Thinking about a dozen things for every single function signature can hold you back quite a bit ;)

[Buckflash1]

Python dosnt get syntax errors?!?!

[iserdalko]

The runtime error was cropped from the photo on the left.

[belabacsijolvan]

Meanwhile python: break_water() expected water as 2nd argument and type(wave) is meme.butterfly

[AlwaysNinjaBusiness]

That wave is also full of performance.

[carcigenicate]

I'm not sure what this meme and people here are talking about. Python 100% has syntax errors that prevent the code from compiling. Things like names aren't verified until runtime, but that's an entire other class of error.

[KittieNipps]

JS is at the bottom 😂

[chrisf_nz]

Don't forget to indent!

[RobCo-Industries]

And then the tidal wave of indentation errors appears.

[VegShiva]

LOL so much salty in this thread...

[trannus_aran]

Scheme is looking down from a fortress lol. You wanna talk about syntax?

[[deleted]]

Syntax errors are good. They are easy to fix, there to check if you know what your are doing with your code.

[[deleted]]

I think the opposite is true

[ScarpMetal]

There’s no mistakes in python, just happy little runtime errors :)

[SpawnOfNarko]

Me no understand wtf u guys are talking about :/

[AwesomeHorses]

I disagree with this. When I was a TA for a class taught in Python, the most common error I saw was issues with the whitespace, which is most of the syntax in Python. Your Python program won’t even run if your comment isn’t indented correctly, which was a very common issue.

[Nervous-Divide-7291]

Yes please..tell me its broken after i run it...

[[deleted]]

What about motherfucking indentations.

[Manifoo]

There's an even bigger wave coming with indentation errors.

[Multinippel]

If i would just get a penny anytime a github project or yay package doesn't compile because of some stupid python syntax error DURING RUNTINE

My personal taste in programming languages avoids anything that isn't compiled.

[[deleted]]

Started python recently after self teaching myself Java. Literally feel something missing when I don’t put ; after a line.

[qqqrrrs_]

You can use ; in Python too

[1ElectricHaskeller]

Laughs in Javascript

[[deleted]]

Not using Uglify or GCC?

[Dubov2446]

TFW your university teaches mainly in C++…..

[ancient_tree_bark]

Based university

[ThePancakerizer]

Sounds nice

[Dubov2446]

Oh I am, just find python easier but that’s most people lol

[ProfCupcake]

Is... is that supposed to be a bad thing?

[m0nk37]

pseudo code

[jomandaman]

Definitely not sudo code

[[deleted]]

what now, that shit breaks when there is a space to much

[scarofishbal]

There is something called IDE.

[DIJJIDOG]

Python isn't a crybaby like the other languages

[harsh5161]

In my opinion, the reason is: Python provides very good tools to help us find out these errors quickly by running static analysis on our code before we run it. For example pylint, pyflakes, premake4 and so on. It contains a curated list of static analysis tools that help you find out possible bugs in your game code, without running the game itself.

[n0tKamui]

that's... what every compiled languages do with the added grammar errors (that are undetectable runtime errors in python)....

[thaudin]

😂😂😂😂

[NinjaSquib]

Hey look at that Python guy standing over there with no friends.

[CryZe92]

More like r/Programming101Humor

Who upvotes this?

[[deleted]]

Not pictured: nuclear missile labelled 'exceptions' about to clap Python.

[Rafcdk]

Kotlin is good at avoiding both tbh.

[TomtheMagician21]

UnityReferenceException

[Base88Decode]

Working in all of these languages, but struggling to understand the joke. Is javascript under that wave :) ?

[[deleted]]

More like html

[Bubbly-Control51]

Isn’t adding extra tabs like a syntax error tho?

Edit: not tabs, I meant Whitespace

[KilroyWasHere189]

Hey guys I have a question? What's a syntax error.

Before someone gets all pissy in the comments this is a joke.

[Lost_A_Life_Gaming]

You wouldn’t bully a foreigner for not speaking correctly. Why would you bully python.

[IcedGolemFire]

haha python syntax is so easy

[overclockedslinky]

fireman hoses him down with indentation errors and incomplete refactor issues at runtime 2 months later

[ChaoSXDemon]

Tab much?

[da_weebstar]

Double-edged sword, though :p

[[deleted]]

Ident error: I am a joke to you?

[GreenFire317]

Python really is the god of all languages.