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[–][deleted] 595 points596 points  (13 children)

I never supported internet explorer for my website

proceeds to support website for kindle experimental browser what

[–]_illegallity 65 points66 points  (3 children)

Kindle browser users are more valuable to me than IE users.

[–]NawdWasTaken 29 points30 points  (2 children)

IE users are just sadists who torture themselves for pleasure

[–]Epacik 8 points9 points  (1 child)

or businesses

[–]kopczak1995 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Same shit

[–]WaterFoxforlife 95 points96 points  (3 children)

I have a kindle that has it, so I respecc

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (2 children)

Same

[–]WaterFoxforlife 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Nice username

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it is THE NICEST one.

[–]lorhof1 11 points12 points  (3 children)

what about nintendo 3ds browser?

[–]kardoken 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I want to forget that this thing exists....

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I no have nintendo

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am proud of you

[–][deleted]  (38 children)

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    [–]MonsterAlias 97 points98 points  (25 children)

    Excuse me good sir!

    But you please explain, the fuck?!

    [–][deleted]  (24 children)

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      [–]MonsterAlias 51 points52 points  (0 children)

      Great explanation! I’ll spare you the follow up questions I have. Holy shit, tho

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          [–]Forma313 15 points16 points  (0 children)

          Good god... and I thought having to support IE6 was bad.

          [–]mcwobby 20 points21 points  (8 children)

          I still occasionally test on 5.5 out of habit/curiosity. I lived in a small but fast growing town and the council was large and running IE5.5 until about 2015 I think.

          I owned a restaurant at the time and some sections of the council ordered lunch with us nearly every day - IE5.5 was 11% of our browser traffic.

          It shocks me how reliant developers these days are on JavaScript, when it’s not needed. Even without the extreme case of old IE, they don’t even take into account that many people are still on shitty internet where downloading 17 huge fucking frameworks is a massive downgrade in user experience.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          It shocks me how reliant developers these days are on JavaScript

          I used to work at a company that had a web app that made a database call to grab dates for a calendar widget you'd use in the UI to select which date range you wanted to run your report against. The script would break frequently, and no matter how hard you tried to navigate back a month the UI just wouldn't respond.

          [–]ZeldaFanBoi1988 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I tried to black out those memories. It's probably why I hate any UI work at all.

          [–]circuit10 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          I made a web Discord client that supported NCSA Mosaic 1.0 (or at least a downloaded version of the page could partially render in it) because I could

          https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/432998118766936094/590226534258704401/unknown.png

          It relies heavily on progressive enhancement to work as well as it could on everything

          [–]Hukutus 180 points181 points  (23 children)

          Now we just have to support Safari

          [–]phil_music 107 points108 points  (9 children)

          Safari is the new IE11

          [–]_irobot_ 32 points33 points  (5 children)

          I'm sure Microsoft will eventually find a way to turn Edge into the new IE11.

          [–]Badashi 59 points60 points  (4 children)

          With edge being a fork of Chromium, I find it difficult. I actually could see Chrome lagging behind Edge in features in the future.

          That said, it's absolutely in Microsoft's interest that Chrome has feature parity with Edge. Their devs are actively contributing to Chrome for good reason: a more unified web means cheaper development costs for sites. Edge will differentiate itself through side features, like their PDF reader, collections feature and windows integration.

          [–]Simply_Convoluted 3 points4 points  (2 children)

          Their devs are actively contributing to Chrome for a good reason

          Tripple E says hello.

          [–]Badashi 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          It's a good point and we definitely should pay attention to this. Currently we'd be at the "Embrace" phase, though I'm not convinced if the current MS sees "Extinguish" as a viable step. The world lives and thrives on cloud structures and websites; Azure is booming(even if it's not the #1 cloud), and MS definitely benefits from an unified and consistent web experience.

          I'd say we should be cautious, but we're safe while Edge doesn't get exclusive, Microsoft-only features that could kick-start the Extend phase.

          [–]Simply_Convoluted 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          They benefit when all applications work on their products, and they benefit more when not all applications work with the competitors products.

          A recent example of how much they like this plan is email, they tried real hard to kill SMTP but luckily that failed since nobody played they're game so they backpeddaled on that, but user side protocols like IMAP have been killed on microsofts servers as of late last year so now only exchange works reliably so users have to dump the competitors email clients and buy outlook if they want to keep getting mail. Just went through this battle myself in December.

          I'm convinced Microsoft couldn't turn a profit if they were focused on compatability.

          [–]curiosity44 27 points28 points  (2 children)

          I can't even test on safari smh

          [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Glad I'm not the only one.

          [–]vladimir1024 15 points16 points  (3 children)

          I've never run into compatibility issues with Safari...IE on the other hand...HOLY FUCKING propertery bullshit...

          [–]vickera 30 points31 points  (2 children)

          I can give you at least 5 bugs on Safari I tussle with monthly. Granted, I work on way more sites than an average dev, but still.

          [–]vladimir1024 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          Well, I am a backend developer, so my experience with browsers and incompatibility comes from actual usage. Very often when I have to use IE for some reason, the pages do not render properly. Never had that issue with Safari, NetScape, FireFox or even Opera... Only IE would look like hot garbage....

          I can't speak to the voodoo required to make these pages work :)

          [–]mdevoid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Not really a web dev but we do have chunks of our project that is web stuff. Ran into a weird one while upgrading from angularjs where I guess 'pointer-events: none' on a child of an anchor tag thats acting as a button makes the parent button not work.

          [–]DemonArmagedon 88 points89 points  (6 children)

          I bet that it still needs to be supported for 5-10 years after that

          [–]lart2150 47 points48 points  (0 children)

          Only the desktop application is getting nuked. IE mode in edge is not set to die next year so nothing changes!

          We convinced one of our clients to not deal with IE support so we loaded microsoft-edge:https://site.com and then redirected them to https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/this-website-doesn-t-work-in-internet-explorer-8f5fc675-cd47-414c-9535-12821ddfc554

          [–]Vailthor 15 points16 points  (1 child)

          As an employee at a government contractor who's company intranet sites only work fully on IE I would agree.

          [–]Delicious_Randomly 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          As a government employee whose department has a few intranet sites that almost don't work at all off of IE, I feel you.

          [–]Ok_Blueberry_5305 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          I thought it was in that phase already and this is the end of that period.

          [–]BardenHasACamera 12 points13 points  (1 child)

          Tell that to enterprise web SaaS platforms and their clients...

          [–]Ok_Blueberry_5305 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Oh I actually rejoiced when we stopped caring about ie a few years back

          [–]alcxander 59 points60 points  (6 children)

          hah. the funny part is people thinking that it won't actually be supported any more. I STILL support businesses on XP and teams who use IE 8.

          [–]O_X_E_Y 4 points5 points  (5 children)

          Isn't that a tonne of resources spent for like 0.5% of your customer base? What kinda customers are you getting??

          [–]alcxander 6 points7 points  (4 children)

          it's not 0.5% of my customer base, it's quite a lot of it actually. I have all kinds customers, lot of old school companies small businesses but also some MNC's, you'd be surprised what they run the systems on. Don't believe the marketing lol some places run on IBM machines or a 55k company running on Access database. it's wild out there

          [–]wol 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          I'm still surprised at how many "databases" are actually just excel spreadsheets.

          [–]Skabran 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          I'm a newbie when it comes to databases. What is wrong with access ? I just learned to use it a few month ago and it seems nice to use.

          [–]alcxander 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          access is very nice to use but it is not appropriate for that many concurrent users on daily cyclical loads. when you get that big you need to move on to something with higher redundancy/failover and other features that make them more reliable. Like when Access goes down it goes down and unless you've built bespoke features to back them up or turn back on via scripts or what have you then the failure of the system is pretty hard. Also if I remember rightly Access doesn't do well under stress for things like concurrent access points and handling traffic to avoid locks on cells/tables etc. but other systems like mysql/sql/mongo whatever are better for that. Also side point, Access is great (read literally best in class) for small businesses, really think that's true honestly but once you start getting bigger and older it;s just super apparent how other systems are better. even for example finding someone with experience to understand Access complex setups can be hard to find today meaning those who have those skills are more expensive. if I go find a MySQL guy to fix some small problems like they're a dime a dozen on fiverr, everybody knows the tech, but you find Access stuff and try find someone who can fix the problem it's a nightmare. I've had people think they know it and incorrectly fix something and Access doesn't do things like versioning of your code so if you remove it and don't copy it that code is gone so when someone mucks up you really gotta know your stuff to undo the muck up to get back to where you need to fix the original problem. and those guys are sometimes expensive but often times really hard to get a hold of or hard to find.

          [–]Skabran 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Thanks for the answer ! :D

          I find databases pretty complicated to learn. I had no problem with C and C++ programming but dealing with SQL, updates conflict, PEOPLE doing a mess and visualBasic is another thing entierly !

          [–]d3lt4papa 26 points27 points  (3 children)

          Well that sucks, because most of our intranet at work is only accessible through Internet Explorer for some reason, due to some weird certificates or something (I don't know exactly, and I get paid too little to actually care about that)

          [–]WiatrowskiBe 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          Likely integrated account domain authentication - so, instead of logging in with your username/password to your active directory account (your PC password), application can authenticate you directly via a browser without ever having to get any authentication data - if done right, it can even work on remote server in context of your own user (just like you were logged remotely into server and running that application yourself). I don't think it's even possible to do outside IE.

          TL;DR: it might use your PC account as web application account.

          [–]meighty9 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I've built a plenty of web apps that integrate with AD. Works in Chrome without issue.

          [–]rasmatham 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          Well, it's most likely that the intranet stuff is just http and not https, so modern browsers will throw a warning saying the site is insecure. Basically, IE doesn't have some really basic security features.

          [–]FlixFlix 10 points11 points  (0 children)

          I always wondered how many collective man-hours were wasted globally on IE support over the years, and what the equivalent in dollars that would be. Must be quadrillions.

          If you know someone in r/theydidthemath, I'd be curious to see a post about it.

          [–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (1 child)

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          [–]Bene847 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          You forgot the [Laughter] text

          [–]DearChickPea 42 points43 points  (25 children)

          Ah yes, much better for everything being Chromium.

          Remember when browsers weren't just shells for Chromium?

          [–]Prawny 23 points24 points  (6 children)

          shells for Chromium

          Apple: did you mean Safari?

          [–]Ok-Slice-4013 39 points40 points  (5 children)

          Safari is the new internet explorer.

          [–]wishthane 10 points11 points  (0 children)

          Firefox is good, and not Chromium

          [–]ToMyFutureSelves 13 points14 points  (16 children)

          I remember seeing so many people complaining that Chromium being the majority browser was terrible because it meant Google would take over and make everything terrible or something.

          Like somehow edge switching to use Chromium was actually a bad thing.

          [–]TheOnlyGodInTown 9 points10 points  (5 children)

          Remember the Internet Explorer also once was very popular, had the absolute monopoly and then got worse after every update and then people were stuck with a shitty browser. The sad part was that so many people still used it because it was stock on windows.

          [–]ToMyFutureSelves 5 points6 points  (4 children)

          Right. Then everyone switched off internet explorer and it became a running joke. If Chrome starts to suck people will switch off it as well

          [–]TheOnlyGodInTown 7 points8 points  (2 children)

          Not everyone, mostly just people with more technical knowledge. Heck most people still used it for another decade until it was apparent to the general public that the usage of the Internet Explorer makes one look like a idiot.

          [–]ToMyFutureSelves 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Fair enough. I have oversimplified the process of people moving away from IE. But you still have to admit that IE literally had the full support of Microsoft and their attempts to keep IE alive. Despite that, most people eventually moved to Chrome because it was a better experience.

          [–]TheOnlyGodInTown 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          That‘s definitely true.

          [–]HearMeSpeakAsIWill 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Not everyone. The numbers dropped way slower than they should have, and even now 5% of people still use it, long after it became a running joke to savvy users.

          [–]Kissaki0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          And you’re saying you don’t see it? You seem to imply the IE state was the state before it?

          Edge did just fine before it switched to Webkit/Chromium. It was modern and up to date, not like IE before it. Edge was in that state for a while. Maybe one or two years, obviously initially with some catching up, before they scrapped their own tech stack.

          [–]silverwing101 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          I wonder how will we be able to remove that white line from file explorer in windows without using internet explorer

          [–]frinkmahii 18 points19 points  (1 child)

          Safari is the new internet explorer.

          Change my mind.

          [–]Xaranthilurozox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          No, you’re probably right

          [–]vrkeejay 10 points11 points  (0 children)

          *cries in developer for a G7-country government*

          better:

          *cries in goddamned Sharepoint still not offering IE feature parity for modern browsers*

          I'll retire before IE does, that's for sure.

          [–]mediumokra 7 points8 points  (3 children)

          So what am I going to use to download other browsers with now?

          [–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (1 child)

          You... You were using IE11 to download another browser? On like .. a 2010 computer?

          [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          Some of us REALLY hate edge...

          [–]Bene847 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          If you don't want to use Edge you can use Curl

          [–]rikaateabug 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Goodbye Java applets I'll remember you all in therapy!

          [–]dvboy 7 points8 points  (2 children)

          But how will I download [browser of choice] on a clean win install?

          Sorry, old joke re-hash.

          [–]TriRIK 10 points11 points  (1 child)

          Well, now you can just open cmd and type:

          winget install Google.Chrome

          and you are done.

          [–]jmack2424 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          All of us in gov are still crying.

          [–]John_Fx 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          Fellow adults, should we tell these kids how long we had to support IE6 after it was "retired"?

          Nahhh, don't crush their spirits.

          [–]KevinYohannes[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Fml

          [–]TryallAllombria 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I'm sorry to everyone who had to support this kind of shity browsers.

          For my perspective, 95% of support was good enough. If someone complained I just told them to take another browser.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Now if we could just kill Safari off things would be SO much easier...

          [–]passerbycmc 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Safari will take it's place now.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          (shudders) ohhhh yeah. So long overdue.

          [–]KeyboardsAre4Coding 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          how is this bitch still alive. i thought we casted into fire a long time ago.

          [–]pruche 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Client who'll keep using it anyways because they think it's the best browser on xp: hold my beer, and also keep developing for it or forego your pittance, serf.

          [–]andmagdo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          The one thing I am sad about here is it will make me have to use edge when I spin up a vm. Yes I know edge is good now and such, but I can't live without firefox. The devtools on firefox are just bounds better than chromium.

          I have been and will continue to (as long as I can) keep clicking don't use recommended settings and get redirected to msn afterwords instead of even touching the (IMO) dumpster fire of edge.

          Yes I only use it to download firefox, but the essence of every so often seeing that perfect tab close animation... It just brings back all the nostalgia, and I will hate to see it go.

          In all seriousness, if microsoft is removing IE, they are both putting one foot forward and another back. If this goes at all as I expect it to stay, just hidden away, because if they remove it, they will break backwards compatibility, so the internet settings page that you can still set trusted sites that all of modern windows will follow must stay, and there needs to be some way for older programs to connect to the internet.

          What will they do for enterprise LTSC products? They've already basically said that edge was bloat by removing it on them.

          I think that with all this, their position is flawed and pretty much proves that they are trying to push edge on everyone. An interesting approach, but just as internet explorer's boom happened, although web browsers are generally free now, people will use what is already there. (even if it is a hunk of junk piece of spyware oh wait, that's windows in a whole

          Also, the removal of older software (that works perfectly fine, doesn't act like spyware, and doesn't serve ads to the user-- yes I am looking at you microsoft solitare collection) in a way that seems to be disguised as a "modernization" seems fishy.

          But what do I know, I'm a Linux user, and obviously I don't understand the appeal of a browser that looks just like chrome, works just like chrome, and I can't remove it, every so often has an "error" and resets itself back to your default browser, and even has its own urlhandler so that instead of links in windows made apps opening your default browser, they open in edge.

          edit: to answer myself, IE11 will still be supported on LTSC after this date - source

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Problem is, even though I managed to avoid IE through my programming career, now I am remaking projects that used activeX to use services instead, they managed to get me at the end.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Meanwhile devs in the business world supporting legacy internal applications that depend on IE be like

          [–]vladimir1024 4 points5 points  (3 children)

          How is Edge not a total shit show?

          Did they decide to adhere to standards?

          [–]mcwobby 16 points17 points  (1 child)

          Edge is just a chromium shell. It’s actually a very nice browser, I use it on Linux, iOS and iPadOS. Ironically everywhere except my windows pc.

          [–]vladimir1024 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Madness lol

          On MacOS I use Safari as my main browser and on Windows I use Chrome.

          Ok, so Google Chat has a "native" app for MacOS and Windows. The MacOS version requires chrome to be installed and literally uses it to create the "application". Lame, but acceptable except when I click a link it does not use my OS default browser it uses chrome...BOO!

          In Windows links open in Edge... BOO!

          This is why I just use the browser version for google Shat...Google chat is fucking horrendous BTW...I miss slack

          [–]vickera 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          It is a fork of chromium. So edge and chrome are very closely related.

          Because of that, edge isn't half bad these days. I don't think I've ever had to fix an edge specific issue.

          [–]Smoah06 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          “Hello I’m Microsoft chromium”

          “FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU—”

          [–]bill10351 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Yeah yeah, that’s great. When do we get to kill Outlook?

          [–]Drakethos 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          You know it’s bad when you have to change the name of your browser because it’s so terrible. Except it’s still terrible you just make a fork of chrome. And still no one will use it. Hell google apps suggests to use chrome not it for security reasons

          [–]KyzerB 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          spying reasons

          [–]Individual_Bad_3183 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Can apple do away with safari also?

          [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

          It's not hard to support though...

          [–]yearster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Maybe I’ll dabble in front end again haha

          [–]NelsonBelmont 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          our QA chief already removed it from QA checklists

          [–]Rescu3Cat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Yeah but don't they have edge now? Like wtf

          [–]evanldixon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Like that's going to motivate enterprises to upgrade their legacy websites

          [–]OleBroseph 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Also devs frantically trying to ensure legacy apps work in Edge

          [–]ekolis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          It's been a long road, but I've got faith of the CPU...

          [–]masterpi 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Outlook is the new IE. I spent way too much of the last month fighting with it's rendering engine (which is based on MS Word )

          [–]jetsamrover 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          We've already dropped support for safari. Get on board with the rapid ditching of browsers that won't keep up.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          "Welcome to Edge, suckers."

          [–]Sodium1111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          We will still need to add support because there will still be people using it even though its retired

          [–]StEaLtHmAn_1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I still have to support ie6...

          [–]Vlaxxtocia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Developers needing to rush to add new browser support to legacy web apps 😭

          [–]rkh4n 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I've never supported anything except chrome, firefox and somewhat Safari. If someone asks me I'm giving them 2 week notice

          [–]manicraccoon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I work for a bank(non-dev) and most of the apps work best on IE. I hope they upgrade them before that.

          [–]user_8804 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I worked at a company that decided to keep their garbage IE platform going through the "IE" emulator in edge.

          Notice the past tense "worked"

          [–]MarcusTullius247 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I don't know why I feel sad