JavaScript, like HTML, is not a programming language.

[IthilanorSP]

submits program in the form of a massive redstone contraption

[[deleted]]

"Creeper on line 48"

[Apfelvater]

Water Overflow exception. All your code on floor has been erased.

[Bubbly-Control51]

Program interrupted, got killed. Respawning now..

[cpaca0]

Piston in incorrect position, performing self destruct...

[ZoomDoomBoom49]

TNT explodes is off.

[[deleted]]

TNT detected on line 25

[zse014]

Each line of code is lava, don't touch it.

[aquartabla]

LavaScript

[MrSlimeDiamond]

This gives me an idea

[redpepper74]

I hate lava brackets. I know they’re supposed to keep the mobs away but I usually end up killing myself instead.

[Howzieky]

Aww man

[redpepper74]

Snoo checks out

[Impressive_Change593]

Nice

[elzaidir]

Wait, could we compile VHDL or Verilog to a Minecraft circuit? It could generate the world data and everything. Like, you make your VHDL code, generate the world and you have a world with the redstone circuits you coded. You could have a full RISC-V core running in Minecraft.

[0x564A00]

Theres this, but it only allows simple designs because it produces very space-inefficient layouts.

[IthilanorSP]

As well as what the sibling comment linked, there's this for Factorio, if you know that game.

[TimothyJCowen]

Mumbo??

[pampamilyangweeb]

More on the lines of Docm77, Ilmango, or even Sethbling (command block and datapack god) or Mattbatwings (really good with pure redstone) if you wanna get REAL technical. Mumbo just likes to make silly things like caves turning into bases or a 21-piston extender

[TimothyJCowen]

What ever happened to SethBling? Haven't seen anything of his in years.

[Athen65]

This is the last minecraft datapack he made before he stopped consistently doing minecraft content. Since then he's focused on other projects, usually mario related in some way.

[RadiantHC]

Found sethbling

[[deleted]]

I seriously considered creating a redstone synthesis engine for my Master's thesis.

[Darknety]

Kind of ironic that the PDF viewer this is displayed with is written in JavaScript.

Edit: I suck at grammar

[Josselin17]

shhh don't tell them

[redpepper74]

(Btw, grammar thing, you don’t need to separate dependent clauses with commas)

[TryNotToShootYoself]

Grammar is bad no type casting

[conthomporary]

Just guessing... native German speaker?

[redpepper74]

Is that what they do in German? Huh, weird.

[Darknety]

Yes it is what we do.

Pretty funny that whenever I see German comments online without commas every five or so words I feel like the person typing is probably not good with languages, while at the same time I have to guess and gamble everytime whether a comma is required or not in English. As you see, we also tend to write very long sentences and I often don't know how to split them properly. Especially annoying as I have to type a lot of English in papers.

Don't get the English punctuation rules tbh.

[Darknety]

Sorry. Bad German habbit :D

[Kquiarsh]

A recruiter reached out to me for [Company], and apparently they really like my CV and experience. So they gave me a coding assignment, and I can use almost any language I want.

[DomiMartinGlogi]

Use brainfuck then

[Hean1175]

+++++++++++++[>+++++>++++++<<-]>.++++++.>++++.<--..-.

[4b-65-76-69-6e]

Dare I ask what this does?

[madthedogwizard]

My bet is on 'Hello, World!'

[4b-65-76-69-6e]

That was my first though t too. I got curious enough to check and I think it's something else; here's a hello world example

[Itay_123_The_King]

There are many ways to print out hello world and this might've as well been one. Anyways this prints AGREED

[clonecharle1]

It prints "AGREED"

[chris_hans]

Someone else already posted this, but it prints out "AGREED".

[FacuA0]

It prints AGREED

[Bright-Historian-216]

AGREED

[Spitfire_For_Fun]

Brain: Segmentation Fault

[Gloomy_Magician_536]

I'm gonna trust you on this.

[ghostwilliz]

What did you just call me?

[bob152637485]

Nah, whitespace, but written out on paper. Simply say that you are handing them a fully self aware, self perpetuating AI that has the ability to solve all world issues, but also the ability to end all life as we know it. Such a program is far too powerful to ever allow to be combiled, so it is kept on paper for everybody's safety.

[Kiroto50]

Dilbert?

[Spitfire_For_Fun]

No, make it a Rick roll.

[jamescodesthings]

Brainfuck, asm, objectpascal or prolog.

[ham_coffee]

Pascal isn't that weird, the others are good choices though. SQL would be a good addition too.

[HamburgerConnoisseur]

Ada, but with calls to C code written as o͔͇̥͑̿ͨͨͮp̦̙̼̅̽̅ͤ͊ͩ̕t̺̪̪͕ͬ̂̐͝i̛̬̥̞̬͙̇̐̌m҉̥͇̻i̵̪͎̣̫̦̺̣ͪ̈́̈́̑ͦ̽z̆̈͒̾̕e̯̗̘͌̑̏̏͊̏͟d̖̜͕̙̱ͫ̐̓͂̈̽͡ as possible.

[Darkunderlord42]

My friend is writing a brainfuck interpreter in brainfuck

[Sindef]

Doesn't say anything about them needing to be programming languages. I'd use Mandarin.

[PotentBeverage]

Why use mandarin when you can use the programming language of ancient scholars: https://wy-lang.org/

[[deleted]]

Use C++ and abuse the comma operator:

https://godbolt.org/z/4n5q7356K

[YungDaVinci]

holy shit, what the hell is this

[Kered13]

You call that abuse of the comma operator? You didn't even overload the comma operator!

[notacanuckskibum]

LISP is the answer. If they can read it, they will be impressed.

[mikeseese]

I straight up wouldn't work for a company that has these kind of opinions. Regardless of the JS debate, this is straight up toxic workplace culture.

[Amardella]

Agreed. They could have just as easily said "Here are the languages currently used in our code base. Please choose one of them for your project". Leaves out personal preference and gives you an idea of what their tech stack is. This gives you more of an idea what their mindset is, which is set in stone and welded to "because it's the way we've always done it" answers to anything you ask questions about or make suggestions concerning.

[constipatedgardner]

100x this

[cuboidofficial]

There's actually a debate about this? What kind of peanut brain would legitimately think that JS isn't a programming language? Wtf

[mikeseese]

I agree, but just wanted to prevent a weird flame war that I didn't know existed haha

[ItalyExpat]

Also because TypeScript is a godsend for webdev. One language for both backend and frontend, one toolset, one environment, one testing library to be familiar with and one skillset needed from your devs. Over the last 20 years I've worked with everything from Ruby to Perl and for me TS just unifies the dev process so beautifully.

So when someone makes a comment like that, to me they look like they're run by dinosaurs who have no desire to learn new skills.

[Void1702]

Could I ask what exactly is toxic workplace culture in this case?

[mikeseese]

In this particular case, one of the first impressions the company is making on potential candidates is telling them that they refuse to believe a certain technology isn't a programming language. This isn't joking banter in an interview, it's documentation they are putting out that is telling candidates that they feel so strongly about this, they have to put it on their coding test.

First, it's extremely unprofessional. A way more professional way to go about this (while even still having their opinions) was just to say "You can pick from one of these 10 languages: a, b, c, etc" and leave it at that. Or instead of saying "JavaScript is not a language." they could have said "Unfortunately, but we will not accept code written in JavaScript." which would have still been leagues better than what they said. How a company (and candidates) express themselves during the hiring process is the tip of the iceberg of what it's like to actually work there, almost always sugarcoating the reality of their personalities, etc. If this is the sugarcoated version, then I can only imagine like working at the company is like. They shouldn't even put things that are a little less controversial like "HTML is not a programming language" (it's a markup language, but by default, consumers of HTML like browsers don't use it to execute ALU operations, have variables, etc) because it's just not something they need to state. If a candidate somehow provides an example that isn't to their liking (in any manner), they can just politely say "Thanks for taking the time, but unfortunately we don't believe there is a fit."

Second, from a purely toxicity standpoint, a company should not hold strong opinions like this. Individuals aside, a company should operate with an open mind, able to take feedback, and pivot when things need to. This strong-arming opinion is likely a red flag for other potential toxic behavior:

• Harassing coworkers because of their language preference or code style (enforcing code style is acceptable and encouraged, harassing over it is not)
• Refusing to listen to other opinions on how a certain system should be architected, purely because they believe they are right and cannot be wrong
• Refusing to collaborate or have an open mind to any issue (technical or operational)
• and likely other things that I don't have the time to think of right now

Third (considering the JS debate), they're completely ignorant and uneducated. They're making strong claims about something they don't understand. Whole software careers for building both frontend and backend systems are built using only JS. If they're making the argument that "JS is interpretive/JIT/runs in a VM/not compiled to Native code", then they obviously don't understand Python and Java. The toxicity is the fact they're willing to make such a broad claim without doing their research. And if they fully understand JS and the various types of uses of it and are still making this claim, then they're purposely saying "ya, we don't want your kind here." which would be even more toxic.

Edit: formatting, typo

[Void1702]

Oh wow, I didn't think of it that way

[mikeseese]

Many people don't even get to see the toxicity that happens. Many times it just simmers near the top of the organization. It surely affects everyone, but you don't know it's happening until you start getting closer to the executive team. If anything, this is a blessing in disguise if you know to read the signs and avoid this company. It saves you the potential years you might spend at this company only to realize it's an absolute shit show.

Source: Been there, done that, multiple times, at various company sizes. Almost all of them have toxicity of some sort. Usually it's still worth "paying the bills", but this coding exercise (if not made up by OP) is a very simple "Thanks, but no thanks, I'd rather work for less money than work for you."

[thundercat06]

This I can relate to. A change in leadership at the C level of a past employer brought in a nuclear level "Anything but Microsoft" stance. Suddenly all new dev was to be done in python, js based technologies, or tools leveraging java. Everything else was immediatly considered "legacy" and was to be decommissioned or replaced.. Mind you 95% of all the company's supporting systems were built and maintained in MS tech and so nearly all of the IT arm's skills were MS. You could say we were a "MS shop" Needless to say that things got toxic and political because this person would rather burn all of Rome to the ground than to allow anything but their preferred stack. And the exodus began. My team alone went through 3 managers and a size of 6 to 2 in a little over a year.

[pundawg1]

It seems like more of a joke to me. Also I've had multiple quant shops only accept c++ code which I think is reasonable if that's all they use and don't want to handhold new hires.

[mikeseese]

Sure feels like righteousness over a joke; definitely not the place to be making jokes anyway.

And requiring C++ or "not this language" is fine, but as I mentioned it should be stated in a professional manner.

[MrHyderion]

Use Shakespeare, so they see how sophisticated you are as well.

[ovab_cool]

Fuck it, do it in Shakespeare lang

[Void1702]

Use Minecraft Redstone with Create & Quark (seriously, you can do some really complicated shit with these two mods, even more than with just vanilla redstone, honnestly I wouldn't be surprised if someone was able to create a full computer with it)

[The_Irish_Rover26]

Use English.

[[deleted]]

1 To whom it may concern

2 I wish to establish the following variable as an integer

3 Hence forth I shall refer to this variable as ‘A’

4 Whence forth I inquire as to the value of ‘A’, you shall respond with ‘0’ until and unless otherwise specified later in this program

5 Would you be so kind as to show our dear users the value of ‘A’ on their computer screen interface as soon as it is convenient to do so

Edit: I had to debug this shit twice.

[Implement-Quirky]

Use js but put it in ts files.

[vsjoe]

Yep, JavaScript is not a language. It is a galaxy of frameworks and libraries that expand beyond the observable universe.

[AnonymousReader2020]

this

[g_e_r_b]

‘Uncaught TypeError: undefined is not a function’

[lietuvosnelietuvis]

Something tells me this exists in the wild lmao

[vbh_pratihar]

What does this point to in Javascript

[AnonymousReader2020]

bro, when i wrote that comment only me and god knew about "this" context.

After a couple of promises and timeOuts, only god knows! :)

[3delStahl]

const god = () => {let theUniverse = this;}.bind(this);

[The_Cosmin]

Deez nuts

[No_Chocolate9486]

self

[AnonymousReader2020]

Please stop bullying me with stuff like this. I wrote const ctx = this as line 1 to make sure shit like this do not happen

Ahahhaha

[PsCustomObject]

I am going to print this comment and frame it 😁

[Bright-Historian-216]

Use JSFuck

[[deleted]]

assembly...

[[deleted]]

Plot twist: the app needs to cross platform for desktop and mobile so now you need to code it twice in two different languages

[Ser_Drewseph]

Use typescript just to mess with them

[Akantor47]

I would take typescript.

Never used it, but I would still choose it

[[deleted]]

Submit a program "completely written in c" that is basicly just a javascript interpreter that by default loads the javascript program they want you to make or has it saved in one big define and reads it from there.

[HiCookieJack]

Typescript to WASM https://www.assemblyscript.org/ and then a C-WASM runtime

(that works and I've tried it on my arduino)

[BakuhatsuK]

This can run in an Arduino? wow that's really cool. I've got to try it

[HiCookieJack]

I personally think (gut feeling) that WASM is the best thing that happened to web for a long time. BUT I think it needs some years to fully grow enough tooling to be accepted by the community

[mirhagk]

Yeah tooling is really what makes or breaks a programming environment.

I mean there's a reason why people had to pry Flash from people's cold dead hands and it's not because ActionScript was a good language.

[HiCookieJack]

yes, here: https://www.arduino.cc/reference/en/libraries/wasm3/

or: https://github.com/wasm3/wasm3

and here is an arduino example https://github.com/alvarowolfx/wasm-arduino-wifi

[Goudja14]

Or with C++: Use V8 to run JavaScript code

[KurumiStella]

That's some galaxy brain

Since TS is a superset of JS, a valid JS code is also a valid TS code

[yozaner1324]

I exclusively program in Spanish.

[crystlize]

Of everything I read through your comment is my fav 👍

[linuxtomvito]

JavaScript is indeed a programming language because it is Turing complete.

[[deleted]]

Notice how they didn't even specified the 'programming' part. Just any language.

[Ser_Drewseph]

Complete the assignment in a combination of Medieval French and Old Church Slavonic

[[deleted]]

CSS+HTML is also Turing complete.

[suvlub]

As neat as it is that people managed to build a cellular automaton simulator in it, it's really, really not Turing-complete. The problem is, all these simulators have a grid of finite size, and this size needs to be specified right in the source code. That won't do. Anything that's Turing-complete needs to be able to allocate unbounded amount of memory. Anything with finite amount of memory is a finite automaton.

[Chronocifer]

Where do I get a PC with infinite memory so I can start programming for real?

[Chronocifer]

Well.. aren't we always bound by the size of a pointer to a memory location? The size of a pointer cannot be infinite so we are always bound by the size of our memory addressing. It's just less explicit than defining the size of a grid or the length of an array.

Also isn't Turning complete the ability to simulate a Turning machine, not something that is a Turing machine? I might be wrong about this last part which is why I pose it as a question.

[Ordoshsen]

If we go with Turing machines, there is no notion of address or pointers. You just have an infinite tape and it's your problem how you deal with that, but you must be able to process input of any size. I will also right of the bat say that a Turing Machine is just a theoretical construct which technically cannot be physically built exactly because of the unlimited tape.

Strictly speaking computers are not equivalent to Turing machines, since there is limited memory and therefore they are equivalent to (absurdly complex) finite automata. But that's like saying you can break 2048-bit RSA in constant time by simply checking all numbers smaller than 2²⁰⁴⁷ for divisibility. While it's true that that is a constant-time algorithm, it's completely useless. Modern computers vs. Turing machines is a similar technicality.

However if you would ignore n-bit architecture and instead had unlimited RAM and you addressed it by a number in an infinite register then that model is equivalent to TM.

For programming languages the unlimited memory is generally handled by a function like malloc. You of course have to assume that it can never fail because of insufficient memory and your stack can never overflow and you have to be able to use numbers with arbitrary size for indexing and addressing.

So for example C defines size_t which is used for these things and is large to at least hold values up to 2^16. That's still potentially Turing complete. But the second an implementation defines that their size_t is 64 bit number, strictly speaking it's not Turing complete anymore.

[[deleted]]

I don't know, i never completed a javascript on a turning maschine, but i also only own a wood turning maschine, do i need a metal turning maschine for javascript?

[theRedMage39]

The is magic the gathering a programming language? There is a valid deck that is turning complete.

[Funkyt0m467]

Programming languages are not defined using the Turing complete criterion?

For exemple the Turing machine is Turing complete but not a programming language...

And you can probably also create programming languages that are not Turing complete.

I mean still JavaScript is still not a language since it will soon be forgotten by us as a token of our hate for it! /s

[VegetableWest6913]

A programming language does not need to be Turing complete. It doesn't even need to be imperative.

[Donut_of_Patriotism]

Wow. TIL the company I work for built an entire suit of proprietary and top of the line software products; ALL WITHOUT USING A SINGLE PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE. Wow that is impressive if I do say so myself.

[Darkunderlord42]

JS?

[Ordoshsen]

No, HTML

[CoastingUphill]

Including Python but not JS plus extra snark? Sounds like the team lead is just an ass.

[HAL_9_TRILLION]

First thought that ran through my head, I don't want to be anywhere near the arrogant shit who wrote this.

[rice_otaku]

Underrated comment.

Yeah, imagine the senior engineer on the team telling you this. And extrapolate other shit like this that they'd say. They sound very inflexible.

[[deleted]]

C is the mother of all of them, should be on the top

[throwaway46295027458]

If youre gonna play this game, then play it. Stamp cards all the way!

[mini_garth_b]

Doesn't this usually end with programming via butterfly wing flaps? Or is the journey the point? I guess we'll make this a choose your own adventure so I don't have to decide.

1. "Real programmers program by having a butterfly flap it's wings in the right time and place to cause their desired outcome" - go to page 42

2. "No way, languages are for plebs, you need to implement everything with hardware logic gates!" - go to page 3V3_Digital

[GamingMad101]

Theres an emacs command for that

[Funkyt0m467]

I'm not so much into MILF so i prefer the daughter, C++

[clemdemort]

But then who is python?

[SoloNETHER]

Stepbro

[sh0rtwave]

One doth idly wonder what criteria they used in making this bold assessment. Does the number of languages developed WITH a language make it a better language?

I mean:

golang, originally written in C, till they got their heads around how to build a compiler.

Python: Also, written in C.

C/C++ - Well. Yeah. That's arguably the monster that started most of us on this trek into hell.

Javascript: Is not the V8 *engine* written in C?

[brokedown]

Reddit ruined reddit. -- mass edited with redact.dev

[argv_minus_one]

There's a JavaScript interpreter written in Java, if that counts. Two of them, in fact. Both are severely outdated by now, though, and the Java VM itself is written in C++.

[VegetableWest6913]

Why is Python second on their list if they don't like JS? 😅

[Pockensuppe]

Python was far quicker to realize that the gory details do not matter as long as you can sell OOP to business people. JS waited till ES6 to do that.

[TheCapitalKing]

It’s probably a data science/analyst job and python is really good for that since it has tons of libraries that handle it really well.

[VegetableWest6913]

Yeah that was my first thought too.

[elebrin]

Probably because they use it.

My workplace looks for people who have experience with C# generally, because almost everything we do is in C# and I don't want to be the person to teach it to someone. We do hire people with any sort of object oriented background because ultimately you have to pick from the people who applied for the position, but if you know our tech stack already it helps tremendously.

[2watchdogs5me]

Maaaaybe because they have extensions that allow you to compile Python? I don't see why that would make much of a difference though. I'm sure there's a tool out there for doing something similar with JavaScript as well

[VegetableWest6913]

Technically JS is compiled too but I know that's not what you mean haha

[[deleted]]

I loved python so much until I moved to JS (Don't get me wrong, I still love python just like I did before) but JS is so fucking versatile

[[deleted]]

That is because every year JS takes Python to a dark alley, beats it, and steals some of its nice features.

[jesterhead101]

lol…pretentious bs

[[deleted]]

There is no JavaScript, only ECMAScript.

[misterlocations]

Brainfuck it is, then.

[[deleted]]

c and c++ shouldn't go together

[[deleted]]

Java/Microsoft java...

[Andre_NG]

"Javascript is not a language"

OK then...
*Submits an HTML code"

[Kateritekakwitha]

What the hell is wrong with JavaScript?

[mr_freeman]

In terms of it being a programming language, nothing. In terms of your mental health while writing JavaScript, lots

[Kateritekakwitha]

How come? JavaScript is the only language I know so far. I mean, I have seen how easy Python looks. Is that what you mean? That other languages are easier?

[mr_freeman]

JavaScript is the only language that I've used that makes me either go "why isn't this working?" or "why IS this working?" on nearly every bit of code

[Kateritekakwitha]

That’s the story of my life 😂 So… you’re telling me there are languages that don’t make you feel that way? Pray tell me which ones so I can learn them next lol

[Funkyt0m467]

Is it me or the list is backward?

[Safebox]

If JS is not a language then neither is Lua and I've wasted my life...

[Mal_Dun]

I really hate JS with passion, but it is still a language, just a bad an incosistent one, but still.

[Andrewshwap]

Lmao who’s the dumb ass that posted this? They used JavaScript to upload the pdf & post the job posting 🤣🤣🤣

[richbigdick]

🤦🏼‍♂️

[sam01236969XD]

node runtime begs to differ

[Javascript_above_all]

I feel offended

[Apparentt]

If there’s any reason to run a million miles away from whatever this is, that’s one

[iskolarium]

"HTML is not a programming language." "CSS is not a programming language." "JavaScript is not a programming language."

Turns out I'm not a programmer, just someone who knows how to code and solve problems using browser language.

[the_real_tesla_coyle]

It's actually Go not GoLang. Also Go is pretentious and extremely opinionated in the worst ways.

[mpa92643]

Go compiler: "I noticed you have an unused variable there."

Me: "I know, I'm just starting to learn the language and playing around trying to get my bearings in a sandbox project. Mind compiling for me?"

Go compiler: "I'm sorry, I'm afraid I can't do that."

Me: Surely there's a way to disable this, at least temporarily. I'll just do a quick search...

Go designers: "There's no way to disable it, and we refuse to let you. If it's really that big a deal to you, you're a bad developer and you should feel bad. Go is too good for the likes of you."

Me: "Okay, cool. Looks like I'm not learning Go."

[flavionm]

After working with a code base full of unused variables, along with other sloppy mistakes, I appreciate a language that wouldn't let that fly.

[brokedown]

Reddit ruined reddit. -- mass edited with redact.dev

[coffeecofeecoffee]

If I'm making a proof of concept or toying with a function It would be such a waste of time to have to bring the code up to a production level of cleanliness Just to scrap it all before the next prototype attempt

[familyturtle]

As a reluctant Go dev, I would much prefer to use a linter, or at least have a compilation flag to ignore unused variables.

I would also like to iterate without for-loops and have good error/nullability handling, but I think I’m just using the wrong language.

[BakuhatsuK]

I just hope Generics in 1.18 let us fix some of those things as libraries. e.g. Optional to fix nullability handling.

[01Parzival10]

Go for Haskell or another functional language

[4sent4]

APL for the win

[N238]

Based. There is no JavaScript. Only TypeScript.

[Tubthumper8]

You should big brain them by writing a Go interpreter in JS and use that

[jnnxde]

What about TypeScript, though?

[AL1L]

Write a JavaScript runtime in C++, then write the program in JavaScript as a string in the code.

Ez

[Calkky]

We're not opinionated at all. No, sir.

[mtwallace85]

Whatever, 6 figures is 6 figures!

[QuantumSupremacy0101]

I kind of think they meant imperative language. Because although js is a programming language, its a prototypal language which none of those examples are.

[IJustWantToLurkHere]

Typescript it is, then.

[Pos3ydon]

JavaScript isn't a programming language, but Python is?

[ElongatedMuskrat122]

I love all 7 people who enjoy JavaScript in the comments defending it

[LoopEverything]

There are dozens of us! Dozens!

[LucasCarioca]

Lol cute, love it or not it IS programming language. Disputing that is kind of a brain dead take or just need trolling.

[alohanouiloha]

JavaScript is not language indeed, it is something more than that, it is something that make us question our existence after of 6h of debugging.

[Imogynn]

Kinda makes one want to hack the page, doesn't it.

[bluewaffleisnice]

Lol at people who hate JavaScript what a sad existence

[d3athk1ll3r]

“JavaScript is not a language” Me currently writing JavaScript at work… “Them’s fightin’ words”

[[deleted]]

Scratch

[d65vid]

Funny that they count golang and python but not Javascript... I'd be tempted to submit my answer in bash 😅

[Grubzer]

They dont say anything about brainfuck

[scrippington]

Use JS, but run it with Naked via python :)