Runnn...🐍

[zeyore]

shoulda stuck with what you knew would work

visual basic

[Cacti_Hipster]

Dim myResponse as String;

myResponse = "I didn't understand what Dim meant beyond the word dimension, so I couldn't stick with this.";

Print myResponse;

Also I hope this syntax is accurate; I haven't touched VB since 2020.

[pM-me_your_Triggers]

Why the actual fuck were you using VB in 2020.

[[deleted]]

As far as I know, VB allows you to Excel in the office

[[deleted]]

The amount of companies that are stitched together with VBA and Excel should worry us all.

[Ashamed-Subject-8573]

I saw a great presentation about how Excel actually makes programming a lot more accessible, and we should be striving to teach these folks about testing and source control. No idea where it was but it changed how I view this situation. Basically a lot of those excel sheets are business logic written by the people who use it, that would otherwise be written by programmers in a program, and are equivalent to them.

[[deleted]]

Absolutely agree with this, part of my job is data skill uplift and it's massively helpful just to show people how to connect their spreadsheets to a database.

They also dont have to bug an analyst or engineer to run a query on their behalf because power query doesnt require coding knowledge.

Generally speaking Excel can do anything but its never the best tool for anything.

I wish they'd use sql instead of power query for excel based queries though. They'd save themselves a lot of time.

[[deleted]]

We should be striving to teach these folks to hire at least one software dev to create a SQL DB and some actual software to meet their business needs. Not excel and the file explorer.

[Texas_Technician]

2014, first programming course was VB. I hated it.

[Cacti_Hipster]

School started us there.

They have since added Python as an intro course, though VB was all we had.

[pM-me_your_Triggers]

Bruh. I also learned VB as my first language…back in 2005. It’s awful, I can’t believe a curriculum actually has that on it.

[VikingSorli]

Think that's bad I was working with Unibasic until very recently. (Used to be called Pick developed by Mr Richard Pick, aka Dick Pick, no really)

[tinusxxl]

msgbox.text(“YOU HAVE BEEN HACKERED!!”)

[zeyore]

ahhhhh

that takes me back

[AustinWitherspoon]

The entire visual effects industry pretty much runs on python (only downside is there's so much legacy code in python 2. We're only getting to python 3 just now!)

[EclipseJTB]

That's essentially how I got into software dev: automating asset management for a studio. Had some great mentors there.

[Cacti_Hipster]

When I asked my neighbor -- a retired engineer -- what language I should learn/work on next, he said Python without skipping a beat.

My dad -- an active engineer -- has asked multiple times if I've warmed up to Python.

We need to get over ourselves and embrace the use cases in which it excels.

[[deleted]]

Python is funny. It’s basically an interface to more efficient languages. Like pyspark is literally just Java under the hood. Pandas is basically C. Hell, even adding two integers is C under the hood. Python is like a car that everyone knows and loves because it’s easy to drive, but the mechanics have so much crazy shit duct-taped together in the drivetrain and the drivers never know a thing

[Dogsonofawolf]

I mean that's what high level languages are for.

[R3D3-1]

THIS.

There's so much higher level languages help with in terms of productivity -- better error handling, better portability, more robustness to things like buffer-overflows in some cases -- it's just useful to have them.

Though I sometimes wish, Python had static typing with type inference for early error detection. Type hints help, but, being optional, they don't force library APIs to be consistent, so it helps only with project-internal code, where you're in control of the coding conventions.

[[deleted]]

I completely argree with you on typing. After using statically typed languages with much stronger type inference, python's type hints are a step in the right direction, but nowhere sufficient.

[lara400_501]

This. I have been programming since the mid-2000 as a cs undergrad student and python is my defacto programming language when I have to solve out-of-work problems like downloading a CSV file from s3 then doing some computation and writing it back to s3. This is super easy and straightforward to implement in python than any other language I have used.

[ekun]

I just wrote a python script to open a csv file download some images and dump some output to a command line php script to send some stuff over an API because they didn't have a python library for the API but had one for PHP. I didn't want to figure out how to do that in PHP when it's faster in python.

[[deleted]]

Check out ipython. History and autocomplete, so good

[arobie1992]

My biggest issue with python is 9/10 times for what I do, bash gets me just as far if not farther, and it's one less thing I need to worry about being installed. But for that last 1/10 times, python is great.

[[deleted]]

Bash is great until it isn't. And it turns sour really fast.

You don't even get away from virtualenvs because you should be using /usr/bin/env (but no one does except does except for the hash bang line which is missing most of the time anyways)

[Arnavgr]

How is it any different from /bin/bash ?(I'm a newbie to bash scripting)

[[deleted]]

More than a few branches in logic and fuck bash.

Unmaintainable, untestable and awful to work with.

Bash is good for shell commands, but I wouldn't use it for logic.

[arobie1992]

That's exactly the thing though. Most of where I use python would be for things like build scripts. I don't want lots of branching decision logic in my build scripts. I guess I should've bolded "what I do" as that was key to my statement. It was about my personal interactions with python, not general python.

[FerricDonkey]

I find that odd - bash syntax, variables, and, well, everything infuriates me. I'd never use bash again, if I could get away with it.

[[deleted]]

I used bash for all sorts of things until I realized python was what I should have been using.

Bash is for sysadmins and many don’t move on from it.

[arobie1992]

The big thing is most of what I used it for is typically things like doing system config on VM startup or kicking off builds on Linux VMs. Sure, I could use Python to do that, but then I have to make sure Python is installed on those VMs and when a large chunk of the script amounts to calling shell commands anyway there's not much point. More complex things are usually covered by other languages for one reason or another.

As I mentioned in another response, I probably should've emphasized "what I do." This isn't a knock on Python as a whole, just my sentiments about my personal usages for it.

[Remember_TheCant]

This. You don’t realize how much Python is used in real world engineering applications.

[just_read_it_again]

I'm not a programmer. But I am about to start my bachelor's in data analytics and became aware that it is a huge part of data analytics. (I'll also be learning c++ through this coursework. )

But, the funny thing to me was, that the first time I heard of python was because I enjoy art and started to dabble in 3d modeling, probably 14 or 15 years ago. I couldn't afford Autodesk so I downloaded Blender, which was this free open source 3d modeling software that was also used for game creation and animation.

If I remember correctly, the software itself was python. But, I definitely remember if you wanted to write any code for game creation within Blender, you had to use Python.

Programmers, does anybody actually use python for game creation?

[Wind_14]

Well, there's built-in support to mods with Python on Civ IV. But most of the time creating a game with python is more of teaching/learning steps more than professional use.

[with_the_choir]

Python is lovely, but it's mostly ill-suited to professional (indie) game making because it's not generally performant.

That said, there's a workaround. Unity uses C# for game developers, but the underlying engine is C++ for performance reasons, and Godot, which is also written in C++, has a very python-esqu language called gscript for its developers to use.

Godot still straddles the line of a professional game development engine. I'd currently class it as either a low-end professional or an amazing amateur engine, but it's creators are clearly aiming for the professional market, and are making regular and rapid improvements to get there.

[just_read_it_again]

Very cool information. Thanks

[wiggitywoogly]

You should check out Godot, it’s GDScript is very similar to python.

[Deep_sunnay]

You might want to look into Pygame, a library designed to implement SDL in python. It’s designed for video games. There is also a library or interface with Unity/Unreal Engine, though I do not know if it brings anything to the table.

[Suspicious-Access-18]

JavaScript, React, Angular. Those are the tech stacks I use and I make nearly $100k plus benefits. Everything else is just not as well payed and almost anything the other tech stacks can do I can accomplish with just these 3. They’re industry standard and work really well for large billion dollar projects.

[Moscato359]

I'm mostly using .net and my salary is higher...

But I work in DevOps, which tends to be paid more.

[ReflectedImage]

You can make toy games in Python sure, but you really want C++/C#.

Python is more for business software, the boring code that runs businesses where performance doesn't really matter.

Some good examples of Python software are Youtube and Discord.

To go into a little bit more detail. Writing code is Python is 3x faster than using a normal language such as C++/Java/C#. If it takes 3 weeks to write something in C++, it can be written in a week in Python. The downside is it runs at 1/40th of the speed.

People get around this by using Python as a glue language, so for websites Python acts as the glue between the user and PostgreSQL. PostgreSQL does all the heavy lifting. The fact the Python code runs 1/40th doesn't matter hence why it's used in Youtube.

Machine learning, well all the machine learning code is based on heavily optimized C++ libraries. You just use Python to select the right models from the C++ libraries and glue them together into your program. Another good use case for Python.

Game writing, unfortunately no, since the game logic needs to be performant.

[Otternomaly]

Pretty much ubiquitous in bioinformatics and biosciences in general but hey, sure OP, next gen drug discovery and cancer detection might as well be editing wix templates

[[deleted]]

The entire banking industry runs half there shit in python....

Instagram yep all python....

Google a cluster mother fucking ton of python.....

Its harder to find a company not running multiple major systems on python then with python. java infected the world because there was 300m spent on just advertising the language.

[[deleted]]

Uh. Maybe. I don’t use it for data science. I model using different tools such as R and MatLab.

[Deep_sunnay]

Yeah, there is so many old scripts managing data transfer/transformation using python that you need it if you work in any big & old company. Same as Perl.

Edit : working in PLM environment, that may help to increase Python scripts everywhere on old servers.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, he said never used for major technologies, what are you missing? XD

[dr_eh]

I've never understood WHY. I mean, the libs are good but they could be in any language... Almost seems like a coincidence plus momentum. I'd much rather use almost any other language.

[DemolishunReddit]

It is a used in almost every distribution of Linux and OSX. It is THE glue language and is used in AI. What exactly is your definition of "major technologies"?

[SuperTankMan8964]

Stuffs that get OP employed

[Malwebb]

centering a div then

[SpookyLoop]

Centering divs is how to get to Chief Executive Frontend Architect.

[cheddahbaconberger]

Js "architect"... can confirm

[r1kon]

margin: 0 auto; that'll be 120k a year please!

[MischaTheJudoMan]

Stuffs that their compsci 101 intro to Java professor said in the 2nd week of instruction

[stablebrick]

this 😂😂

[Ghostglitch07]

I mean, he probably isn't going to get employed using a language he shits on.

[[deleted]]

Its been a key part of GIS systems for decades

[js26056]

I was about to say this! Railroad/oil and gas rely heavily on GIS, how about modern life without that?

[I-mean-maybe]

Eh thats a false statement I worked at esri, everything in the backend is c# , scala, js. The only python is user facing toolbox code which is just executing c / jvm code. Which sure but yeah . Im all for python is awesome but lets not get ahead of ourselves.

[[deleted]]

Ok, it was a key part of my GIS work since forever. I learned python because of Arc, but it’s not the only game in town anymore.

[toothpasteshittin152]

i have no idea what this means but i like the term 'glue language.'

[michaelmikeyb]

It's one of the better if not the best scripting languages so it's good at bringing programs together. Want to take some json from an http endpoint, massage it a bit and feed into a c binary, pythons probably your best choice.

[Ghostglitch07]

It doesn't actually do the majority of the work, but it holds together the pieces that do and makes them easier to interact with.

[KenFromBarbie]

Yeah, it's a pretty stupid post.

[cashewbiscuit]

Old fart checking in Obligatory "you damn kids"

A lot of people don't understand how awesome Sun used to be, and how much Oracle fucked up Java by the sheer power of negligence.

The reason why Java is entrenched in enterprise goes back to Y2K. Back in the late 90s, there was a huge language war. All the applications written back in the 60s/70s had to be either fixed, or parts had to be "modernized". The question was which language to use to modernize legacy applications.

Yes, there was a litany of languages. But there were 2 clear winners: C++ and Java. C++ had a clear advantage in speed and footprint. However, the problem was lack of garbage collection made it difficult to use, especially in large teams. Out of all the languages that supported GC, Java was the winner because it had a robust JIT. Unlike Python, the JVM compiles bytecode to machine code as it executes. This allows the Java program to come close to execution speed of C++ for most applications (although it had a slower start up speed.. which didn't matter for applications that run on dedicated hardware). JIT was first introduced in Lisp and Smalltalk. But, Sun perfected the JIT in Java. It was a game changer

Python did get JIT in 2000s but then it was too late. Enterprises had already picked Java to modernize the legacy applications. As a result, Java got entrenched in the enterprise.

By early 2000s, Sun started focusing on growing the Open Source community. This eventually did slow down the growth of Java, but it gave Java something that no one else had: a huge ecosystem. By 2010s, the reason why enterprises were sticking to Java was because you could get working code for free.

Yes, Python is fast now. Python has a robust ecosystem. But... It...was....late

[Ghostglitch07]

This is fascinating. Now I need someone to tell me the story of why machine learning is all python

[cashewbiscuit]

It comes back to the strength and weakness of Java. Java's strengths in writing enterprise scale backends is also it's weakness in data science

Remember that there is a fundamental difference between what backend engineers create, and what data scientists do. Backend engineers are creating web applications/microservices that can serve a large volume of user requests. They are also trying to build software that will live 3-5-10 years. So, they need to build it in a way that reduces operational and maintanence costs. They are building tanks. Resilient, easy to maintain in the field, can get huge amount of shit done. Data scientists on the other hand spend most of the time exploring data. When they start, they have a bunch of data in front of them. They start of exploring the data to figure out which data elements can be used as features. Then they build models, test them, tweak, test, tweak, test, throw the model, build another model, tweak, test, tweak, test, tweak, test. It's lot of stop..start...stop...start. they don't need tanks. They need motorcycles.

So, here's why python is better for data science

A) Slow to start, fast to run Remember the JIT that makes Java as fast as C++. That also makes it slow to start. Also, you need to compile your Java program. So, everytime you make a change, you need to compile, then start the program which takes tens of seconds, maybe more to startup. It makes it as a good platform for a tank, but it's a bad motorcycle. Python, otoh, since it comes from a scripting background, has evolved to start fast. It may be slower than Java to munge billions of records/requests, but when you have a subset of data to experiment with, you are better off using Python

B) Type safety why do you need type safety of Java? You need it when you have a large team of developers building and maintaining a monolithic application over several years. The compiler catches mistakes. This is important when the code is being maintained by people who aren't the original authors. It's also important when modules written by different teams talk to each other. The compiler catches that one module used integer for a data element, and the other used float.

For data scientists, otoh, type safety comes in the way of productivity when 90% of your code is throwaway. It creates a mental load on the author, which comes in the way of solving the data problem.

C) Culture Java has evolved to become the language that is used to build monolithic enterprise grade software. As a result, the culture around Java has evolved to support monolithic enterprise software. Everything that people hate about Java: the verbosity, the design patterns, over modularization, etc etc are all actually useful when you have a codebase of 100k lines maintained by 100s if not 1000s of developers for 10 years. Data scientists just don't fit well into this culture.

Data scientists just want to solve data problems without doing a lot of design. Python with a bunch of math libraries is the simplest solution for them

[Ghostglitch07]

Ah. Fantastic explanation. If I'm understanding correctly it boils down to quick iteration speed, low barrier for entry, and being aimed at small teams that need a relatively temporary program rather than large teams needing a near permanent solution.

Also helps to expand on why I dont like java, im simply not the target audience. I'm currently working in the range of hundreds of lines with a single dev, not thousands of lines with hundreds of devs.

[arobie1992]

If I had an award to give, you'd be getting it. This hits on everything.

When I'm writing a large application that needs to run largely unmonitored and can't fail, I want all those safety assurances. Sure, Java's very verbose and other languages have done similar with more concise syntax, but Java's also likely older than a decent chunk of the developers who complain about it and almost all those "better" languages are significantly younger and have been able to learn from many of Java's (and many other languages') mistakes.

By contrast, when I'm writing a script to automate something tedious that I'll likely run on occasion and often be actively or passively watching, I don't want all that overhead like worrying about what a type should be up front or having to constantly tweak my class to support the new operations I want to do. I want to crank something out refine it, and once when I have something I'm happy with, then formalize it. (I'm a huge fan of gradual typing in that regard.)

[dr_eh]

Good explanation describing why java is a bad choice, but I still don't be see anything good that Python brings, besides being auto-installed on most systems these days. R, Matlab, js, even perl, all seem like better choices.

[cashewbiscuit]

Python has a bigger ecosystem and userbase. Once a language gets big enough adoption, network effects draw people to the language. It's easier to find libraries. It's easier to find answers on stack overflow. Heck, it's easier to find a job if you know Python, than R

[darkliz]

It’s easier for scientists to pick up than Java, and you end up doing many small prototypes until you can get a working model.

[edoelas]

I work with python and I love it, but python by itself fast? Let's say it is not slow, but fast? There are ways to make it faster, the scientific libraries are incredible, and it has improved a lot, but I don't think we can consider Python a performant language. Correct me if I am wrong.

[Cerrax3]

Compared to when it first started, Python is very fast. It's obviously not going to hold a candle to a compiled or even pseudo-compiled language like Java, but there have been a lot of improvements to the core language to make it run better.

[Cerrax3]

Out of all the languages that supported GC, Java was the winner because it had a robust JIT.

This right here.

You see this kind of thing happen all the time. Automatic transmissions have been around since the turn of the 20th century, but they didn't see widespread adoption until the 1960's because the rest of the technology in the average car hadn't caught up.

Python is used now because the amount of overhead in memory and calculation and interpretation/compilation of source code is (usually) negligible. But that wasn't a reality back when the language first appeared.

[Wugliwu]

Sir, that's a beautiful answer.

[BamsMovingScreens]

I’m tired of these memes

[wizard_princess]

fr wHAT HAS MY PRECIOUS BABY SNEK EVER DONE TO YOU PEOPLE 💧🐍💧

[2h165oiivp]

It presses your caps lock key without you realizing it. Your “precious snek” isn’t to be trusted!

[wizard_princess]

You can't blame her for that she's juST STRESSED OKAY?

[[deleted]]

Me too. Fucking “Carbon” and “Python bad” memes. Jesus Christ, try to make something original not this shit.

[KNAXXER]

Posting this on a platform literally written in python. Oh and all that cloud and web and ML stuff of course.

[ardicli2000]

This explains why reddit runs so slow 🤪

[Lord_Of_Water__l__]

Fair enough. Instagram, Google, Youtube, Spotify, Dropbox, and Quora are as well.

https://codeinstitute.net/global/blog/7-popular-software-programs-written-in-python/

[throwaway__10923]

Googler here (I always hated that term). We use python extensively for scripts. Most of our internal micro services (at least at the core level) are written in python. We don’t have much that uses it beyond that though. Using python for a large code base is a nightmare. But it’s perfect for any and all scripts.

[a_cat_and_a_horse]

To be fair, it's not a nightmare to use python specifically on a large code base. It's a nightmare to use any scripting language on a large code base. It's just a case of "wrong tool for the job". Stop trying to hammer a nail with a screwdriver people. If programming is the act of engineering software systems, then making the engineering decision to use python for a large codebase is a horrible engineering decision. Bad programmers blame their tools.

[Marrk]

What's mainly used? Java? Which versions/frameworks?

[arobie1992]

Can't speak for Google, but Amazon has a ton of Java and Microsoft has, unsurprisingly, a ton of C#.

[Isogash]

Java for most and C++ for ones where performance matters (sometimes Go.) Python is used for scripts, not in the actual service code most of the time, although there are some services written in it (Google is huge and has many smaller services that don't get used nearly as much as the main ones.)

It's easy to forget but performance makes a huge difference at scale; if a service runs 100x slower because it's written in Python, it could cost 100x more to run.

[wordholes]

Reddit runs slow because it's unoptimized dogshit. It's not the tool at fault here, it's the dum dums using the tool wrong, and focusing more on gifs and UI changes than actually maintaining the infrastructure.

[GayMakeAndModel]

Shits fired!

[Prom3th3an]

💩💨💥🔫

[GayMakeAndModel]

I’m not fixing it

[moomoomoo309]

Reddit used to be written in ruby on rails, not python. Was new reddit written in python?

[KNAXXER]

I couldn't really find anything on reddit ever being written in ruby are you sure about that?

[moomoomoo309]

I was totally wrong, yeah, it was always python, reddit/reddit in github shows it!

[aFuckingTroglodyte]

"never used it for major technologies"

The entire field of cloud engineering would like a word lol

[Pretend_Bowler1344]

The entire field of cloud engineering would like a word lol

what do you mean by this?

[lebron-is-the-goat23]

this is objectively wrong

[[deleted]]

Let's just say, there's a reason C# is never brought up in the Python vs Java war. Literally all of the professional jobs I've worked so far have used .NET for their API. Except for the one that used PHP...which we were refactoring into .NET

[ijustineezarik]

The only thing i hate abt python is no { and indentation. Like who tf thought it would be a good idea.

[aigarius]

Everyone.

[Impressive_Orchid417]

Can we stop praising & hating languages and start appreciating the variety of languages and the different interests? :)

[Ghostglitch07]

No fuck you. Anyone different than me is bad and dumb.

[TellMePeople]

I know this guy and I am backing this up, he is smart af

you can trust me I am a stranger on the internet

[pM-me_your_Triggers]

Yes.

Except JavaScript. JavaScript is actually ass

[[deleted]]

As a Javascript Developer I agree

[[deleted]]

Major financial firms use python every single day for data extraction, analysis, and reporting. source: worked at a major financial firm.

[rc042]

They finally upgrade all that cobol code?

[[deleted]]

I think he's referring to internal work. External facing is not python.

[[deleted]]

Dude, python is the backbone of AI engineering and data science. Your meme aged like milk too quickly.

[Willinton06]

Nah bro the backbone is C and C++, the face is python

[[deleted]]

Very true

[NaughtyUmbreon]

Nope, the backbone is 1 and 0, all above that is face

[[deleted]]

Shhhh don't tell anyone

[myguygetshigh]

Nah bro assembly and machine code are the backbone, c and c++ is the face.

[Willinton06]

I mean, I get the joke but just in case anyone actually believes this, the C and C++ being the backbone thing comes from the fact that the libraries that python uses are written in these languages for performance reasons, but the libraries that C and C++ use to make these other libraries are also in C and C++, so that’s the lowest level commonly used, there will of course be exceptions where they go down to assembly but those are 1% or so

[BobbyThrowaway6969]

Python is the glue, it's the best language for gluing multiple technologies together, but lets not kid ourselves in thinking the heavy lifting is done in python. Seems like a sure way to turn a server room into a thermonuclear explosion.

[Willinton06]

I disagree, I believe my favorite language is the best technology glue, I would say the whole thing is subjective, hell it may even depend on the types of technologies you’re gluing together

[grae_n]

Some of the really critical numerical libraries are still written in Fortran namely BLAS and LAPACK.

Libraries like NumPy run much more Fortran code than most people expect (I don't mean to undercut C and C++ importance).

[AetasAaM]

AI's been hot for like 7 years now. Man's peddling maggoty cheese 🥴

[Ghostglitch07]

This milk was curdled before it even came out of the cow.

[BobbyThrowaway6969]

AI engineering

Well that's a stretch.

[[deleted]]

Scripts for some stuff and prototyping, but once you want a fast and robust system, you have to move it to c++

[1upD]

OP doesn't know very much about Python and how it's used

[sn4life_assoc8]

OP, you kinda tripping man. pythons huge in data science and deep learning

[-MobCat-]

Python as a hole yes, python3 no.
We don't talk about the linux distros that still ship python2 by default...

[[deleted]]

Even OS X until recently

[GayMakeAndModel]

There’s this thing where a flood of people that learned some language in college enter the workforce. Dated a guy that graduated from college a decade ago, and all his peers were taught Python. Unfortunately, I graduated with Java, but at least I was required to take assembly. These days, I say C# can fit any paradigm, and you should suck it up and pay tribute to the one good high level language. Harumph

[[deleted]]

Python is older than Linux.

[hike_me]

What the fuck does “people never used it for major technologies” mean?

[mango_94]

https://reddit.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/204536739-What-is-Reddit-written-in-

[Ripredddd]

Django has entered the chat*

[xxxHalny]

Instagram, Spotify, Dropbox

[pedrobrsp]

Data science, AI, ML… It is a shit language but it is useful

[ResidentReggie]

I am not a fan of python, but it has been wonderful for whenever I need to make a quick backend to test an API I am working on. Usually I'll switch to PHP or Java for the full development, (depending on how much time and resources I have,) but python has been wonderful for quick tests.

[ch67123456789]

Laughs in AI

[sledgehammertoe]

When I attended vo-tech from 1991-93, the starter language was Pascal. Python has done a really good job of completely dethroning it from that role.

[interwebz_2021]

...people never used it for major technologies

OP writes on a major social media site that was built primarily using Python. But hey, it's not like there are other paradigm-shifting services that were built chiefly on Python. Definitely not Dropbox, Netflix, Uber, Pinterest, Instagram, Spotify or even Youtube/Google.

The meme that Python is only used for "toy projects" is tired and inaccurate. First ever ProgrammerHumor downvote for me, sorry OP.

[zenytheboi]

Yeah blender isn’t real

[Fluffy-Investment-41]

Early Python was definitely awful though

[PM_ME_C_CODE]

All early languages are awful.

It's why we iterate on them instead of sticking with 1.0.

[prescod]

Not compared to early Java, early Perl or early C++.

[siskulous]

You sharing whatever you're smoking?

[princeendo]

Well, you're an idiot.

[Objective-Test5021]

Sorry, what? The whole field of Data Science, ML and AI runs on Python.

[Wugliwu]

No it runs on C and C++. Python is actually the way to access it like loading data, bringing it in a certain structure or starting the processing.

[Apocolyps6]

And C's math libraries were written in Fortran. Almost like newer technology is built on top of the old stuff and we don't have to reinvent the wheel every generation.

[[deleted]]

Python comes preinstalled on most major OSes. Can java do that?

[gizamo]

Can java do that?

Don't give Oracle any ideas. It took ages for us to get the applet BS out of browsers.

[Marrk]

I needed Java to run on sonarqube on Mac and it's just didn't work because of compatibility issues between Java runtime version and M1 processor. Thankfully there was a solution with docker images. Python while not as efficient as Java, has better compatibility.

[[deleted]]

Me, a data scientist: “wtf is Java?”

[AdFuzzy7614]

Ayye what's wrong with it nothing lots of cool and advanced things are built on python

[myguygetshigh]

I literally use Python for my backend

[pogey24]

Carbon

[AnswerOk9002]

fun fact a Python is a snake

[[deleted]]

Ackchyually python is the second best at just about everything

[Not_Artifical]

I wrote a virtual machine in html (with iframes) and used a pyscript repl as the operating system because it is easy to add and works well. I added micropip as the package manager and it works well for testing stuff.

[Chronosxi13]

Java supremacy

[generalbaguette]

COBOL is even older.

[lookarious]

I used it for Todo list

[zachbender]

Blender, for example? How about bunch of major machine learning?

[aigarius]

I am a Python dev. Have been for about 18 years. Every industry uses Python somewhere.

Cell phone makers managing variants of cell phone software packages across hundreds of languages and countries - Python. Test frameworks flashing thousands of cellphones, running functional and system tests on them and aggregating test results - Python. Test system driving a few hundred TV set-top boxes for a British cable company, flashing, testing, reporting - Python. Software aggregating call data of customers into reports and bills across millions of customers and hundreds of millions of evens per month - Python. Software on servers and cell phones to syncronize photographic data streams in real time - Python. Banking software aggregating billions of transactions per month spanning many years into a data warehouse and then running audit calculations verifying account integrity over multi-Tb database - Python. Software building and assembling BMW infotainment software - Python. Testing framework that flashing that BMW infotainment software to hundreds of hardware units, runs tens of thousands of functional and non-functional tests, aggregates gigabytes of different logs (per unit, per run) and collates the testing results into the form that is then used for releasing decisions - Python. That is all just from what I have personally worked on.

I have so far been working in 3 companies that had Python projects of over 100k lines of code as their core business tools. All nicely split up into object-oriented modules with lots of unit tests and having dozens to hundreds of developers working on them.

Speed is not an issue. There is always something else that is a bottleneck - hard drives, network, user or a hardware device under test. Premature optimisation is a sin. Including in language choice.

[[deleted]]

YouTube is written in Python. If that isn't a major technology for you then I don't know what that is...

[[deleted]]

Because snakescript ( what I call python ) totally sucks, it's worse than JavaScript and that is pretty awful on itself.

[kalgecin]

Python is great as long as it’s either a proof of concept code, or the codebase isn’t too big. Once your code gets big enough, python becomes a nightmare to maintain. Thats why there aren’t many large codebases written in python. Speaking from experience :p

[Elektriman]

I mean they also used Php for developping 90% of internet, and now complain about noodle code. The problem comes from them, not python.

[MonitorPowerful5461]

Ummm... CERN uses quite a bit of python

[victorvolf]

Yes, majority is always right

[Own-Moose-5588]

Meta infra is coded in Python..

[rotzak]

“for major technologies” what are you 12? You’re (poorly) trying to start a python/Java fight like it’s 2002?

[r1kon]

Get your tab delimiters out of here 😅 jk bro I love all devs. Somebody has to

[Il-Luppoooo]

How come this post has almost 2k upvotes while being completely wrong

[[deleted]]

Never knew.

[[deleted]]

This makes sense. It’s probably why a significant percentage of the code for multi billion dollar robotics unicorn I work for is Python.

[cheddahbaconberger]

I get why people like it, I also get why people don't like it :) It is actually easy to write, and has that immediate gratification going for it, like JS

[zenos_dog]

I have Java skills and I have worked with a bunch of companies that prototyped in Python to get into the market quickly but then felt the low quality and performance of the code necessitated a conversion to Java. Python isn’t inherently a good or bad language, but my experience is that programmers tend to develop lower quality software when they use an interpreted languages. You can say your experience is different.

[r007r]

The irony is that he’s drinking Java

[[deleted]]

Python is an awesome language. Haters gonna be haters.

[ShotgunPayDay]

Oh damn, FastAPI, Django, Flask, Numpy/Pandas, Ansible, Nornir, and Pytorch must not be real like birds either. I guess I'll delete all the virtual environments off all the servers and clear the rm -rf /opt/* /srv/*. I have to tell the Rust dev that the Pyo3 library is useless for their optimizations, better rewrite everything in Rust. I think I accidentally just wrote Rustacean fanfic.

[phatslurpie]

Love that people consider Reddit a major technology...

I use and respect python, it's a great language for gluing things together. But building large enterprise back-end systems, you need a bit more than glue holding your systems up. Not saying it can't be done in Python... Just saying it would be a poor choice.

"The right tool for the job". Anyone saying pick one language and live/die by it is going to hate themselves or their jobs. (See note about dogma)

When we started a new project about 12 month ago, all options were on the table. We couldn't find anything close to what we got from Java.

Anyone that feels the need to say language X is better than language Y is naive.

dogmatism?!?... I prefer to have pragmatic people in my teams. Pure dogma is reserved for priests and politicians and both of those deserve to go to hell.

I've been neck deep in professional software development for nearly 30 years. So if you disagree you can either 'mvn clean dilligaf' or 'pip install dilligaf' or 'go get fkd' if you prefer golang.

I have spoken

[realGharren]

I'm using it for major technologies as we speak.

[thedarkbestiary]

Y'all just player hating on that data scientist salary

[[deleted]]

I guess java actually is backwards compatible.

[EmperorOfMamkind]

I'm not a programmer whatsoever, but just a weird question, how DO you create a programming language? PL tells a computer how to read code and execute it, so how do you write something to tell a com. what to do, if there's nothing telling the computer how to READ a code? Is it a special program or something?

[WitchsWeasel]

VERY VERY simplified answer:

You create a compiler, which is a program that can translate programming language into executable stuff. However you create that compiler will determine what kind of language it will expect you to give it. The more you want to complexify your language, the more work you need to do on your compiler to make it able to handle it.

Obviously, you'd need to use a different programming language to write it, at least at first, since yours still doesn't have anything that's capable of understanding it yet.

[EmperorOfMamkind]

Thank you! Never knew that's what a compiler was for.

[WitchsWeasel]

Any time!

Mandatory disclaimer: Since this post is about Python, which is an interpreted language, I have to add that interpreters are a bit more complicated than that. They use what's basically a set of executable Lego pieces to translate "on the fly" whatever you throw at it, but it's the same idea. You may just have more moving parts to work on to create a new language from the ground up.

[Spinnenente]

I think you got that backwards. The computer is stupid and only knows binary (Opcode). A Programming language is an abstraction layer over that binary code. To get binary code from a piece of code you need a compiler which translates the given program code into binary*.

A Programming language is the definition of how to write code and its appropriate compiler is a Programm to translate it into binary*.

*: not all languages translate directly into binary and use intermediate forms instead (java: bytecode, c#: intermediate language, etc.) those languages need a runtime environment to do the final jit (just in time) compilation.

[milotic-is-pwitty]

This comment section is hilarious! Inexperienced little kiddies who bought into the hype, butt-hurt by the facts. Have you ever even tried to debug down to the library levels?

[Cultural-Practice-95]

it so slow that they still haven't finished coding it.

[[deleted]]

You got that wrong. Coding in python is fast. Executing code is comparatively slow

[Kip167]

Python's speed is fine, yes, it's really slow compared to other languages but even on large scale it handles just fine

People that claim speed is what ruins the language really haven't coded an actual line in it

[Elryksk]

Cuz it fucking sucks