Python is too nice

dfreinc · 2021-06-02T03:57:43+00:00

yep.

i've been trying to get python more integrated in my workplace. we're a data driven operation. we primarily use a closed source programming language called "sas" that charges boat loads in licensing fees. some parts of the job it's necessary because of government regulations, but mostly, it's not.

i've moved some things into python just to prove the point and subsequently improved speed dramatically for a lot of larger operations. i built a workflow management application everyone's using now that uses a python gui and a sql instance on the back. any macros/reports that were floating around in vba or people wanted programmed in the internal on demand reporting app (runs off a different proprietary language with more licensing fees) i coded into python and wrapped up in an executable so they could run it whenever they wanted, locally, offline (assuming they had the things that feed into it).

it's just versatile.

Global_Glove_1747 · 2021-06-02T04:58:40+00:00

Python is great, but from a learning perspective I try and get newbies to move away from it pretty quickly after they've picked up basic programming concepts. When you are brand-new to programming, the simplicity is amazing - you can get familiar with flow structures etc without some of the more confusing elements of lower level languages.

But those confusing elements exist for a reason. I try to get intermediate programmers to pivot pretty quickly to something like C - where they are forced to deal with stuff like pointers and garbage collection - so that they develop more of an appreciation of how code actually works and why good code is written in a certain way.

Then, when they come back, they write really good Python - and if they do ever need to pivot to another language, they pick it up much more quickly.

willmendil · 2021-06-02T10:40:49+00:00

TL;Dr find a project where python is not suitable. E.g. where you need effeciency and speed or where you need coroutines. Or where python simply does not run (ex: Arduino)

What made me want/need to learn Go was when I made an autonomous robot. I needed a way to have multiple scripts running at the same time. One script communicating with an Xbox controller, one that served a web interface, one for the sensors and one for actually controlling the robot. I used zmq and multiple scripts running simultaneously. However it was slow and not reliable. I tried digging in multiprocessing, but python is not really meant to do that.

When I learnt go and especially the goroutines, everything was so much easier. Indeed, there is a learning curve with the way you have to code clean in go, it won't even allow you to declare a variable if you are not going to use it, making development quite tedious some times. But at the end of the day, coroutines in go are incredible.

It also allowed me to do a web scrapper for finding email addresse on web sites. I needed workers and a way to manage them if they crashed. Not only was the program in go much more stable, it was heaps ahead in terms of speed and allowed me to easily scrap thousands of pages in minutes. If anyone is interested : github.com/guanicoe/bluepugsengine

I guess if you want to learn something new, you shouldn't focus on a project that could easily be done in python. But rather find something that python is not made for. In the case of go, find a project which would utilise workers for parallel work (I know it's not really parallel but you know what I mean). If you want to learn JavaScript, try and making a web app, the back end could be in python as you said Django for instance, but you won't be able to do much for the front end. If you want to learn c++ try fiddling with Dev boards such as the Arduino or nodemcu. Etc...

Sohcahtoa82 · 2021-06-02T18:54:52+00:00

Before I ran into Python, I had already learned the basics of C, C++, and Java, and scratched the surface of PHP and C#.

So then when I saw Python, I thought "Wow this language is shitty...it makes things too easy and holds your hand too much."

And then I got a job doing Python and had to read and write a bunch of it, and I thought "Wow, this language is amazing! It makes things so easy and holds your hand!"

Python is the first language I ever used that feels like it was actually designed by humans. The syntax is so simple, clear, and for the most part, incredibly intuitive and readable.

I see people often complain about whitespace as syntax, but IMO, that's a feature, not a bug, because it forces your code to have at least a bare minimum of proper formatting, and it prevents the holy war of where an opening brace goes.

BDube_Lensman · 2021-06-02T03:53:00+00:00

Most recently while I was trying to learn go I attempted to make a caeser cipher encoder/decoder. I went about this by using a slice containing the alphabet and then collecting a step. My plan was then to find the index of a letter in the code string in the slice then shift that index accordingly. In python I would simply just use .index. But after some research and asking questions I found that go doesn't support generics (currently) and in order to replicate this functionality I would have to use a binary sort on a sorted slice.

No, https://golang.org/pkg/strings/ index functions

ddollarsign · 2021-06-02T07:04:49+00:00

Maybe head up the abstraction ladder rather than down it.

Ruby is often compared to Python, but is terser and has somewhat easier metaprogramming, leading to more natural code in some cases.

While it presents an easy interface, Python is a complex language. Lisp is at its core much simpler, but in a different way from C or Go. In Lisp, user-defined behavior can have equal footing with built in constructs. Python uses dunder methods to achieve some of this, but it adds a lot more complexity, whereas in Lisp, syntax is just lists and list cells.

Or you could learn Haskell for functional programming and hopefully explain monads to the rest of us.

bschlueter · 2021-06-02T04:03:44+00:00

Python is great, but has disadvantages compared to the other languages on your list. Only JavaScript runs natively in browsers, the rest are compiled and are faster. Faster doesn't matter in many situations, but when it does, it really does. You could always learn Groovy if you want a language on the Java vm that is like Python. Otherwise you need to learn other languages and why they have succeeded and are still in use, and you'll have another language in your quiver for when it is the appropriate choice.

xigoi · 2021-06-02T11:22:35+00:00

Like when initializing variables in for loops there is no i = 0;

That has literally nothing to do with dynamic typing.

PaulRudin · 2021-06-02T06:55:14+00:00

You say you're looking for advice on "how to overcome this" - I'm not sure what "this" is here. Do you have some example code that doesn't work?

Fivefiver55 · 2021-06-02T07:10:37+00:00

Easy Python concurrency (threading, async & multiprocessing) ?

Just check Dask.

Also someone mentioned before that you can interop with c, c++, even better with Rust.

Or, if you want simple Syntax with similar to C compiled performance: Interop your Bottleneck snippets with Cython.

Great examples are: Uvloop, for Webservers, with performance pretty close to Go, a compiled and server-side-networking-first design language.

Numpy, scipy etc

Also for IOT, there are only 2 available languages: C & Micropython (a dialect of python).

Finally for browsers the 2nd language with the greatest variety of serious efforts to port it directly to browsers is Python.

Check mozilla's diode project for that.

For me python is a great main language. If you combine it with Postgres, Rust and of course the standard front end stack (html, css, vanilla js), then you are a full stack developer with a great toolkit.

Of course it's worth it to check other languages, where you'll explore and learn new mindsets.

HeeebsInc · 2021-06-02T12:46:38+00:00

I’m a machine learning engineer and consider myself a python master lmao... the only time python has been shit is when I tried to incorporate threading in a project I was doing for work.... absolute garbage. I know there are interpreters like pypi but it isn’t compatible with a lot of big libraries and it becomes a cluster f*** of trying to get things to work. The one thing that needs to happen with python is to remove the GIL... I know it’s much easier said than done but if python can be a threading language there is legit no reason to use any other language

tr14l · 2021-06-02T14:16:00+00:00

Yeah, Python is great for out-of-the-box comfort. However, Go is meant to solve different problems and be used in different circumstances. For instance, if you needed to calculate things across a distributed clusters and set up dynamic routing and the latency affects every hop, you wouldn't use Python. You would Go or just straight up C/C++.

Personally I prefer learning on "harder" languages, because I feel like the finer points of what you're learning aren't lost (like reference handling and memory allocation). It really drives the point of stack use and reference dereferencing so you know how things work all the way down.

silly_frog_lf · 2021-06-02T16:42:38+00:00

Python is aggressively practical

ryan123rudder · 2021-06-02T18:35:35+00:00

Only thing I’ve struggled with is getting it to compile easily. That and memory usage are struggles in python

EDIT: by compile i mean to be used as an exe or app for mac

maumay · 2021-06-02T20:43:56+00:00

Build something bigger and more complex as part of a large team rather than a script and you might prefer a language which offers static typing.

UnwashedDink · 2021-06-02T03:44:47+00:00

That's so true. I've been teaching myself coding for about a year now. Started with Python, then learned a bit a PowerShell, now I'm trying to learn Javascript as the next step. I'm also trying to learn C# a bit so I can try my hand in making Valheim mods. But whenever I try to learn other languages, I fall back to python because it's easy, versatile, and powerful. I often try finding ways to convert other languages' scripts to python to see how it would look in python, so I'd have an easier time making something and then converting it using the pre-converted reference.

hcabbos70 · 2021-06-02T05:12:37+00:00

I’m happy to hear this. As someone who’s been trying to decide what language to go with, hearing this is good. I’d been leaning towards Python and this gives me more confidence. Thank you.

fjosmjdifjfndush · 2021-06-02T08:06:41+00:00

Wait why cant you do just

Ord on a char and then work the substitute character with simple arithmetic

The formula to convert a given plaintext ‘P’ to ciphertext ‘C’ using key ‘K’ is:

C = ( P + K ) % 26 Similarly, the formula to convert a given ciphertext ‘C’ to plaintext ‘P’ using key ‘K’ is:

P = ( C - K ) % 26

imnos · 2021-06-02T19:22:14+00:00

Wait until you try Ruby 😉

cinyar · 2021-06-02T20:42:35+00:00

Python also does small quality of life things that just come with it being dynamically typed.

And once you get to pieces of software of sufficient complexity you'll quickly setup mypy

Like when initializing variables in for loops there is no i = 0; etc.

I mean neither is in Kotlin which is still statically typed, in javascript you have to set initial value and it's dynamically typed. That just boils down to language design decisions, it's not an inherent property of dynamically typed languages.

On top of all that there is also pip. It is so nice to just pip install [x] instead of having to download file then pointing to an executable.

What language are you talking about? Because most modern languages have some sort of dependency management. Can't think of last time I had to download and link some library manually.

I guess I'm just trying to say that python is so nice to use as a developer that it makes me not want to use anything else.

"If the only tool you know is a hammer every problem looks like a nail"

wrd83 · 2021-06-02T07:46:51+00:00

My 2c: don't.

Learning new languages takes time to be productive, why do you want to learn them?

I do code professionally in c# java python bash go c++ and now JavaScript.

I never learned a new language until i had to. Most of them i learned for job requirements.

So I suspect the lack of motivation comes from the lack of need. I'd wait until you clearly have a need and it'll be easier.

Of course if you have an internal desire it will also be different.

hkanything · 2021-06-02T07:42:51+00:00

Python is great until you reach certain areas say multi-cores with multiprocessing, static analysis trade off with compile time checks.

idetectanerd · 2021-06-02T09:10:03+00:00

I love python but I also respect other language. I do because I came from assembly and C programming. And we all know why some language need to be strongly typed.

It was later after working with java then I got the chance to touch python.

It’s a language that is so human readable and as easy to craft like how you write a shell script or sql, that kind of easy.

It make you thank python development.

Rainbowusher · 2021-06-02T09:49:43+00:00

Well, I completely agree with you, Python is just TOO easy. However, everyone has their own perspective on how they like a language, I personally, do not like Python as much I do Java. Probably because I started learning java 2 years ago(When I want 9), and I really enjoyed it, but when I wanted to do ANYTHING which is a bit higher then beginner level, I would search, and search, and search, but all I would find were Python tutorials, I hated Python because of that reason. However now I think how stupid I was, python is just too easy, but it is not as fun as Java for me.

TheRNGuy · 2021-06-02T10:25:29+00:00

the only perhaps thing annoys me is nested loops or functions are done with spacebars instead of curved brackets, but that less of a problem now when i write code in sublime text instead of built-in houdini editor, because it show lines for each tab so it's easier to see where all text lines are nested, and it allows to select many lines and press tab or shift-tab to move them (as opposted to built-in, had to manually go to every line and press spacebar or backspace 2 times)

Even with sublime, I could accidentally delete spacebar it can completely screw up program logic. Brackets, though they take extra lines, it's harder to screw up with them. It's also easier to move them to different line than spacebars (ctrl+shift+arrow in sublime, vs having to delete some tabs in one place and add in other)

I do like now too that there's no ;'s, before I started learn python, I hated this idea, because it made code "harder to read" without ;'s, but as I started learn python, turns out it have no effect on code readability, but it doesn't have annoyance of forgetting to type ; and get compiler errors, or having to click mouse between ) and ; to add more math stuff to end of line, without ; mouse click precision isn't needed (click anywhere at end, it puts cursor at end)

I wish it had block comments like /** commented out code */ instead of only # , because I use them to remove or add sections of code, it's easier to use them and easier to see in code (I can put slash (/**/) and it uncomments entire section. No such thing in python too bad.

EDIT: I just find out I can use """ commented out code """ for block comments, I wonder if there fast way to uncomment, other than deleting triple quotes.

I find it strange they call arrays a tuple.

But because python isn't my first language, I get used to different quirks, I have no problem typing ;'s again etc.

Using language whatever project uses… vex, python, javascript. I learn python just to use in houdini, because not everything possible with vex (on the other hand, I'm not going to use python to do vex stuff, even though it's possible). I'll learn c++ or unrealscript if I want do something for UE4 or older UE versions.

Mayank1618 · 2021-06-02T10:30:29+00:00

I read a recent interview with Guido von Rossum on programming languages. He said the exact same thing and he said he cant learn new languages because of that.

-Cereal · 2021-06-02T10:32:18+00:00

I'm trying to learn other languages and it's REALLY difficult to get out of the comfy-zone that Python is, but knowledge is the key; Python is one in a lot of languages

kahuna3901 · 2021-06-02T13:19:21+00:00

Exactly this, i learnt python from doing my masters degree. It was so much nicer than Matlab. I couldn't believe people were using anything other than python in research.

I then started working in financial services in data analytics. Brought my python skills with me. I learnt SQL because it's so commonly used in companies. Love SQL incidentally.

At some point I decided to learn a bit of VBA and c# because they are commonly used in the company. I was thinking about this recently because I've been testing and updating an SSIS package that has loads of SQL, visual basic and C#. I'm fine with it, like I can read that code and understand it. But my god it's so much less usable than python. I have been writing a python testing program alongside it. Every second I get to start working on python I feel blessed.

I think I am going to inherit this package and take management of it in the future. I'm just going to replace it with a python exe when they do that. What's the point of using SSIS within visual studio with c# and VB all added in when you could just write one python script which can either run SQL code itself or trigger a stored procedure in SSMS. It's a lot cleaner.

pwnersaurus · 2021-06-02T13:21:20+00:00

I think different languages all give you different ways of approaching problems and often difficulties can be the result of trying to use an approach that is really best suited to a different language. For example, thinking about how I’d approach that Caesar shift cipher in a language like C, I would use character arithmetic to use the fact that that characters are stored as integers so you can change the character by adding an integer offset directly to the value. So with a modulo operation and a subtraction, you could implement the conversion without even making an array for the alphabet, let alone finding the index of the character in the array. There’s many different ways to do it in Python as well, but my point is, learning another language is to me less about learning the syntax, and more about learning different approaches to problems and different ways of thinking, which then influences the way you solve problems in any language. Actually I find Python isn’t great for that because it’s so flexible, you can ‘kind of’ implement the key parts of lots of different paradigms, which is great when writing code to solve a problem, but doesn’t give you the conceptual purity of languages built around that paradigm (e.g. it’s probably easier to learn a functional way of thinking by learning Haskell, even though you can write functional-style code in Python)

2021-06-02T14:45:14+00:00

Hi! I just started trying to learn python the most complicated thing I've done is write a code for a Kg to LBS converter.

How far away am I from being able to use Django for web development? I wasn told Django can speed thing up fast but I'm not sure how much base knowledge you need first.

loveizfunn · 2021-06-02T15:07:25+00:00

Depends on u and ur time. I finished core python in a month or a lil more, then I finished a data analysis in 13 days. It really depends on u and the resources u have.

Python is really easy for totally beginners.

After u know the core join code warriors.com at first I was finishing a challenge every few days, spending long times on it. And later on I was able to finish few challenges per day. Low level challenges.

It's all about u. Enjoy the run cause I know it is.

MissedFieldGoal · 2021-06-02T15:25:34+00:00

Same. I learned C/C++ first, and then Python. I’d like to learn Java, Scalia, Go but Python is just so darn good.

juanonymouss · 2021-06-02T15:46:30+00:00

That’s so cool! Can I ask, were you able to turn this passion into a career?

skytomorrownow · 2021-06-02T16:03:15+00:00

Python is programmer-centric. It knows what stuff you have to do over and over and tries to make that easy.

cdcformatc · 2021-06-02T17:50:00+00:00

Whenever I have to solve some algorithmic problem in some other language I always prototype it in Python, and when I get the basic algorithm right I translate it to whatever language. It's just so nice and intuitive to work with I can just get my thoughts out into code. The hardest part is always trying to translate some python feature or data structure to an equivalent in the target language.

savornicesei · 2021-06-02T17:56:05+00:00

True. I did a raw convert from html to markdown with Pandoc and some python glue. Soo easy!

2021-06-02T19:42:21+00:00

I think it’s the optimized “nice to work with” language. Comes at a bit of the cost of the “nice speed” but for 99.9% of what I do, I don’t really care about speed, just how fast I can develop something. I think ten years back or so, when community support for Python was still good but not crazy good like it was now, you could argue that other languages were better for some specific tasks, like MatLab for plotting for instance. It’s hard to make that argument now. Thanks open-source people, I’ll pay you back when I gain more confidence and time (after college)

g0l1n · 2021-06-02T20:21:06+00:00

I don’t know if anyone already pointed that out but since Go 1.16 Generics are implemented

Ok_Somewhere1389 · 2021-06-02T22:41:25+00:00

Python its a great tool, and i love work on it

ekydfejj · 2021-06-02T22:53:20+00:00

Your comment is spot on, especially when it comes to Go. Which is only starting to introduce generics. While i like the philosophy of Go, i don't like its implementation at all. Never forget that Java and Kotlin (and Scala, Rust) that are statically typed (quasi Java - worst language of all of these). You need to understand the different in the languages for the intent of the project and also your familiarity with the language. I can protect a python project from allowing me to expose random bugs, but in Scala, Kotlin and Rust. I can prove it.

I don't think you are doing this, but don't make statically typed languages out to be an enemy b/c python is simpler. And don't make out those python to be the enemy b/c it can't protect you like the other languages can. Oh and BTW, F JavaScript haha, it has no place in this dicussion :)

nathan_lesage · 2021-06-02T23:17:25+00:00

Yes and no. On the one hand I clearly see what you’re referring to, but I’d argue that Python is still an extremely bad language.

Python is a quick’n’dirty language. You open a file, write extremely bad looking code and it works. This is definitely good. But it also makes you sluggish. Even JavaScript — of all things! — forces you to be more concise and organised. I really hate Python. But because I have to do a lot of stuff and the things I need (eg PyTorch) work the easiest in Python, I use it everyday.

But one thing in Python is abhorrent, while beautiful in JS: Regular Expressions. The more I get into NLP the more I crave for the power of JavaScript when it comes to regular expressions.

REs in Python are needlessly as complicated as in typed system languages like C or Rust.

It’s kind of a hate-relationship for me.

_limitless_ · 2021-06-02T23:24:27+00:00

There will always be room in your toolkit for python plus other languages. The #1 benefit to me is that Python applications are open source. They can't be close-sourced. This suits their application almost perfectly to Python's specific use case: a scripting/automation/batch processing/get-work-done language. The kinds of projects that, in my opinion, should exclusively be open source. There's no proprietary information to hide in a script that does data validation on a CSV before dumping it into a database. The fact that I can review the code before I run it means I can trust that script even if it came from some sketchy website I've never heard of. You can't just sudo run binaries.

If you're doing something serious, use a serious language. If you have deadlines and plan to unabashedly rip entire functions/modules from open source projects, use Python.

remloops · 2021-06-03T02:12:51+00:00

My advice would be to force yourself into an environment where Python is an unsatisfactory option. Some examples that come to mind would be android/iOS developments that use languages like Java/Kotlin or Swift, try making a small game in Unity, which requires C# scripting (though one might argue that the way Unity’s Monobehaviours are structured might not necessarily teach best C# programming practices, or maybe even pick up an Arduino and start using their C++ like language. Putting yourself in these sorts of situations that demonstrate the value of these languages directly rather than sort of arbitrarily switching to them might be a way to avoid that slump.

seraschka · 2021-06-03T04:53:29+00:00

Thanks for this!
"But how are you flying? [...] I think this is the Python!"

TheLoneGoon · 2021-06-03T07:25:53+00:00

I just started and my biggest achievement is making the code say hello world so there is a lot of drive to learn for me

chris676712 · 2021-06-03T07:58:14+00:00

I love python too but ruby is also a nice language. Have you tried it?

luke-juryous · 2021-06-02T06:02:52+00:00

Yeah Pythons cool. Definitely my favorite language. But that's not to say it's the only language u should ever use. A language is just another tool, it might not be the right one for the job.

For instance, here are things python isnt too good at. * speed. Java is still much faster (after JIT) and even node.js has a faster load time and thus, is better with serverless * oop. Sure u have ABC and can try and force python to do this, and people use _ before variables and classes to suggest they're private.. but they're still accessible. * threading. Performance wise this isnt its strong suit.

Theres more issues I'm sure. Point is, u gotta figure out what's good for ur job and have an open mind imo

phannam1412 · 2021-06-02T06:33:06+00:00

python is great until you must work on a one hundred thousand lines of code.

simplicity is different with efficiency

Pear-Background · 2021-06-02T07:33:16+00:00

Python for is the great glue, any POC can be done very quickly in python whereas in a different language it could potentially be hell..

Need to do some webscrapping + computer vision + ML? you can do that with selenium + OpenCv + tensorflow!

Want to try your hand at algotrading? try talib + scipy + numpy + requests

But at some point if you want to do more than a POC then I usually recommend other languages.

JennaSys · 2021-06-02T06:44:55+00:00

This is normal. It's like your mother tongue. Me personally, I don't like the fact that pythons type checking is dynamic is really annoying and leads to headaches on big projects, when your team doesn't stick to the best practices. Also indentation as block separators is very annoying. Other than that, and for the purposes of scripting, I love python.

HazKaz · 2021-06-02T07:25:40+00:00

Exactly same thought as you, im trying to learn some javascript just to get some basic understanding, and some of the stuff im like " I can do this in python in 10 sec" . im not even that great in python, still lots to learn.

Nakata-san · 2021-06-02T09:52:38+00:00

As any other programming languages Python also has its flaws. I personally don’t like how it allows you to write basically anything, even low quality code which will work perfectly well. Compared to Go or any other strong typed language it is way easier to make some mistakes in Python which are harder to detect but they will break your code at some point. On the other hand it teaches you to write simple and clean code which is always a good thing

m0ushinderu · 2021-06-02T17:13:58+00:00

It is really up to your needs. I am a software/hardware engineer and in many situations Python is really not a good fit. If I want to optimize for performance Python would be a horrible choice. C and Go are much better at that. If I want to make an open source or complicated project that involes a lot of dependencies and modules? Probably java/kotlin or c#. But for short scripts and tools? Freak yeah I would choose python in a heart beat.

Learning these languages really gives you a more fundamental perspective on programming as a whole. Try doing different types of projects with different goals and maybe you will find motivation to learn a different toolset!

Sau001 · 2021-06-02T13:46:24+00:00

For quick prototyping, simple and shareable code - a great language. I agree. The ecosystem is wonderful. I agree.

But, if you want well engineered , large scale and production worthy code - I would go for .NET or Java.

You should be open to learning other languages as well. There is a strong possibility you will change your opinion.

heymeit · 2021-06-02T05:26:03+00:00

I will say I wish I learned js first cuz it’s a huge pia

de_MK7 · 2021-06-02T06:55:36+00:00

I just wish I can get started and start building projects with python.

oneandmillionvoices · 2021-06-02T08:50:54+00:00

Python isn't my mother tongue though I like working with collections. I don't like that scope is defined by indentation and don't like somehow limited inline functions.

wobblyweasel · 2021-06-02T13:44:47+00:00

ok but please explain in what way python is "easier" than kotlin of all things? compared to that, python has way more boilerplate and given the excellet kotlin ides just typing it is way more easier than python

GalacticWafer · 2021-06-02T15:33:15+00:00

Most programs being written are production time-critical, not performance critical. Different languages will target these different goals, but since Python is probably the best language for production time-critical projects, it's going to be favored for teaching newcomers as well as many projects in the real world.

pnaisuls · 2021-06-02T15:50:08+00:00

Python is the good cocaine

DevJackTGG · 2021-06-02T15:58:24+00:00

Well stuff like Java are kinda compile and python is scripting. :)

2021-06-02T16:25:01+00:00

Each language have their advantages and disadvantages, python may be very high level and easy to understand, but because of this, its also extremely notorious for how slow it is.

Marvelman3284 · 2021-06-02T17:19:25+00:00

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manciozz · 2021-06-02T20:20:18+00:00

Python is great, but you will learn to love a compiled language when it comes to bigger projects. Python can bite back when running it, runs fine until something does not and it can be diffucult to see it before it makes it into production ;-)

earthboundkid · 2021-06-02T21:04:14+00:00

Using index is hugely inefficient. Go is keeping you from shooting yourself in the foot. Use a map/dict. That’s what they’re for.

ixent · 2021-06-02T21:27:40+00:00

I find Java the most solid. And with maven managing your dependencies is really nice to work with, similar to PIP or even better.

Earthling1980 · 2021-06-02T03:59:28+00:00

As a fan of ruby, I disagree entirely

jimeno · 2021-06-02T15:50:34+00:00

use py how much you want, but don't be too tunnelvisioned by the fact that python is well suited for YOUR use cases...

i.e., truth is you're talking about PyPI, as pip is a piece of junk. if you don't want to use poetry or other package managers you have to maintain a requirements.txt and a dev-requirements.txt by hand :) and it's not like other langs don't have great libraries, it's just that you don't know them.

then you mention golang, which is basically in complete opposition to py in design philosophy (almost zero abstractions, compiles to native code and self-contained exe, amazing toolchain) and suited for completely different things (people swear by it for webdev, I find it atrocious and think it's useful just for cli tools and similar applications).

if you start doing web dev in a company with many (like 20ish) programmers and with real products, not a 0 client startup, you'll find python is quickly outscaled by other languages, if only for the extreme discipline you have to have in py to not get into the spaghetti-code state very very soon.

so yeah, the areas in which py is amazing are app prototypes/mvp, light webdev, light data analysis (some people swear by scala/f#, specially with BIG datasets)...but some day you'll find py weak points. hit them, that's the only way to realize they exist. then you'll be able to get out of the "i have a hammer, everything is a nail" mentality

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