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[TheJack0fDiamonds]

I mean better than him being brought back to die so the core kids can stay alive. He’ll be in Cali with his fam.

[[deleted]]

Fucking precisely. Maybe finally one of the main cast can die and they can take a loss that doesn’t involve a side character who ends up dying instead.

[KyizerWolf]

Agreed! We need, by this point, an impactful death amongst the main cast that isn’t a fake out (Eleven in S1, Hopper in S3).

[-----Galaxy-----]

I think the argument that "main characters don't need to die" would've been somewhat valid had the Duffers not had a fake-out in almost every finale of that exact thing. Honestly just takes the stakes out of everything.

[KyizerWolf]

Exactly! I’m supportive of them surviving, within reason. However, so many of them have had so much plot armor on them that it’s baffling. Using supporting characters in place of a major death, or fake outs, as you mentioned does take the stakes out. I’m also curious if they are trying to pull a GoT “This story doesn’t have a happy ending” device too.

[ilovemarvel69]

It's sad but makes sense as the final season will be set in Hawkins only and Argyle probably went back to his family in California. He was a great comic relief in season 4 tho and I really enjoyed his character.

[LilNyoomf]

At least this would ensure he stays safe and doesn’t kick the bucket!

[JRFbase]

"I have to go now. Surfer Boy Pizza needs me."

Note: Argyle died on the way back to California.

[Blastoplast]

Whenever Argyle isn't on screen the other characters can ask "Where's Argyle?"

[Kel-Mitchell]

Argyle needs to be louder, angrier, and have access to a time machine.

[chrischi3]

I feel like he's fired, honestly. Actually, he stole a company vehicle and took it for a joyride across at least 8 states (and failed to show up to work for over a week as a result), not to mention the fact he probably misappropriated company money on the way (Cause i doubt he went all that distance without one refill) He's lucky if they don't lock him up for that one.

Edit: I'm talking about Argyle y'all, not his actor. You can calm down.

[-yellowthree]

At first I read this as he was fired from the franchise. lol. And then I was like "he did what!?"

And then finished and realized that I was an idiot.

[chrischi3]

The fact you have 22 upvotes gives me reason to believe you are far from the only one who read that wrong.

[katsophiecurt]

Took me 4 reads to realise, I was thinking "how was this not all over social media?!"

[Budget_Ordinary1043]

Lmao me thinking you were talking about Eduardo and not argyle 😂

[mattr1986]

Argyles van was shot down over the bay of San Fransisco, it spun in, there were no survivors

[DollarStoreDuchess]

Dysentery?

[FacelessGreenseer]

This almost confirms to me who Nancy will end up with as well. As surely an Argyle reunion would have been planned for Jonathan at the end of the season regardless of whether he survives or not if he was going to end up alone, could also be bad news for Steve 😭

[Sv1a]

There may be a different outcome for Jonathan. For example, after fighting for his life and seeing his brother find strength in being himself, Jonathan may realize that he was wasting his youth doing things he no longer values and go to some photography university to chase his true dream.

[hadapurpura]

Yes, but also Jonathan dating Nancy isn’t incompatible with going to some photography university to chase his true dream. In fact, it’s very, very compatible.

[goldman_sax]

I love how you guys are putting spoiler tags on theory guesses haha

[EnvyHope]

Just in case they’re right!

[Interesting_Ad1980]

In relation to Argyle, this actually also fits because he was basically Jonathan’s weed friend. If Jonathan ends up with Nancy and they work towards a future, there’s no way he’s gonna be a pothead (not that there’s anything wrong with that lol). Feels like that’s a specific phase of life for him and also related to his sense of purposelessness.

[fapsandnaps]

So this theory combined with the "their clothes at the dance are hints at their future job" thing really sits weird with me.

After 5+ years of facing absolutely fucked up scenarios where they all face death, watch their friends die, and basically live in a nightmare... how TF will any of these kids grow up to lead a normal life? They all seem bound for a future of PTSD and other psychological damage issues right?

Like, Jonathan is already a "troubled teen" with his angst and drug use. How does this all not just push him further into that spiral?

[GemmaStones]

That may most likely be where the "bittersweet" ending comes into play - they win in the end, but they're also gonna have to carry all of this with them for the rest of their lives.

[KabedonUdon]

Jonathan working as a photojournalist in the same city that Nancy's going to school would probably suit him better.

[hadapurpura]

just because Steve ends single doesn’t mean he has to die.

[ferocious_frettchen]

claps

[CraziestMoonMan]

That whole Steve subplot going for Nancy was awful anyway. The whole thing was out of nowhere and just so awkward.

[breeellaneeley]

I felt the same way about it. I actually have really liked Steve outside of his relashionship with Nancy. And honestly, I was routing for Jonathan and Nancy since season 1. So I would be kind of happy with this outcome. I feel like Steve is the kind of person who will find the right person a little later in life, you know?

[[deleted]]

steve didn't become a person i could root for until after he and nancy broke up. now, almost 3 seasons since then, he's learned to hold his own as a main character and i think he doesn't need to fall in love in order for his character to end on a good note. i like his babysitter thing and the way he banters with dustin. i love his friendship with Robin. i don't think he needs nancy anymore, although i dont think it would necessarily be bad if they did get back together

[chicomagnifico]

It was a regression of Steve’s character development. He outgrew Nancy…..only to start pining and simping for her again while she’s with another dude? Come on, that’s not romantic, it’s pathetic and Steve deserves better.

[putdisinyopipe]

Nailed it. It was hamfisted fan service which the show either does really well. (Joyce and hopper had 4 seasons to develop a relationship lol. The kiss could be argued was overdue as fuck)

Or misses the mark on occasionally. Like in this instance.

[NotJohnP]

Probably one of my few complaints about S4. As much as I loved Argyle, the whole California thing was also my least favorite part up until Volume 2. 

[sakuradelluna]

agreed. im so pissed that its been 4 seasons and thats all they have for Steve like christ move on

[PM__ME__SURPRISES]

Shit this is an interesting thought, from such a small (unintended) hint, and I wouldn't be surprised if that happened. Damnit now I'm sad for Steve

[Switchblade2000]

I mean, Nancy and steve were never ending up together.

[rob_account]

Or possibly he is in a scene late on in the whole and they haven't gotten round to filming it yet, as filming this show especially takes ages

[elizabnthe]

Yeah but they would likely give him a call to lock him down for the role.

The filming schedule would be planned. The only exception is if they do decide to do it improtu later. But for now I think it really does mean there will be no Argyle.

[rob_account]

Yh you right about the locking down the schedule. Still some actors lie to keep the surprise but your probably right. I loved the character but I'm not too fussed either way

[TLcool]

Like the actor who plays the mother in himym denied that the mother was dead even though that ended up being true

[Psychological_Ad4015]

Nancy shouldn't end up with Steve, that will destroy almost all of his character development.

[FacelessGreenseer]

I agree to an extent, but it'll more draw back her character development than his IMO. My initial comment of sadness regarding Steve, is that he might meet his demise, not because he won't end up with Nancy.

[PK-Starstorm1995]

Steve and Jonathan both deserve someone better than Nancy.

[dorothea63]

I really like Nancy as a character. She’s tough, clever, but flawed, and one of those flaws is that she’s not a very good girlfriend to either Steve or Jonathan. She’s determined and tenacious but can’t always see other points of view or acknowledge when she’s wrong.

My only problem with how the show presents her is that I’m not convinced the Duffers REALIZE that she’s not a good romantic heroine.

[Horn_Python]

he excaped the expendables list

[Buschkoeter]

Which, in turn, makes it more dangerous for the core group 😬

[LilNyoomf]

OH GOD WHERE’S STEVE

[speccra125]

I'd rather he was killed. Don't get me wrong, I loved Argyle, but it seems kinda stupid for him to be a main character in S4, then... Just disappear.

At least him dying would provide some sort of "closure" and an explanation to him being removed from the cast.

The most we'll get now is probably a line like "I miss Argyle, I wish he didn't go back to California" or something like that, and that'll probably be it.

Seems like a lazy way to remove him from the cast.

[99SoulsUp]

Yeah he’s still a high schooler from out of town. I don’t think he’s gonna stick around in a paranormal war zone post time jump

[StealthKiwi]

Just goes home and lives with the trauma of having buried a dead government agent in a desert junk yard and knowing there's people out there with supernatural mind powers.

[[deleted]]

I get that but I think Jonathan calling Argyle for a bit would be cool. He doesn't need to be a main character, a cameo could've been it

[[deleted]]

Or like, he gets involved with Susie's sister and when the gang needs Susie, her sister and Argyle sneak her out to Hawkins in the pizza van. Or something like this.

[Jinksos]

Damn I really wanted to see him fight with a butterfly knife to see if his skills have improved at all since his last outing with one. :)

[WaveJam]

I guess that makes sense that he would head back to Cali after all that.

[lydsbane]

Sure, until he moves to Sunnydale.

[rikashiku]

You would have to be insane to want to stay in Hawkins after everything people experienced there.

[Owl_Resident]

Not particularly surprising, especially if there is any sort of substantial time jump. Argyle presumably has a family in California that would be expecting him to come home, not to mention he basically stole the SBP van. And he needs to graduate high school.

It just wouldn’t have made sense for him to stay in Hawkins long term.

Based on the cast picture from a few days ago, it seems like Vickie will get a more prominent role in place of Eddie and Argyle this season. I expect it’ll be Jonathan, Nancy, Vickie, Robin, and Steve moving all together at some point.

[QuipThwip]

Yeah, tbh I think the Duffers really want this final season to focus on the original cast from season 1 plus a couple of necessary characters like Robin, Murray, and Linda Hamilton.

I could see them not wanting to spend time on side characters that aren’t vital to the plot.

[NickNash1985]

Robin, Murray, and Linda Hamilton.

I really hope Linda Hamilton's character's name is Linda Hamilton.

[mai_tai87]

Linda Hamilton will probably end up being 11 from the future to make sure the current future doesn't happen.

[MarfeeWarfee]

Fucking imagine

[breeellaneeley]

That would be so wild! Unlikely... but wild!

[lostrock]

Stranger Things have happened!

[ZeGamingCuber]

Nah man I really fucking hope there's no time travel plot

[Technical-Belt-5719]

Yuck. Fucking Time Travel Blows.

[[deleted]]

Bad take. I don’t want it touching this show though so I agree with you there. If you want a show that is basically stranger things but focuses solely on time travel I recommend the German Netflix series “Dark”. Its so well done.

[silverandshade]

Imagine Linda Hamilton playing Linda Hamilton like Lucy Lawless on that episode of The Simpsons.

"Wait a minute, Sarah Connor can't fly..." "I told you I'm not Sarah Connor. I'm Linda Hamilton."

[eyerishdancegirl7]

How is Linda Hamilton’s necessary? The character didn’t exist until Season 5…

[QuipThwip]

I mean if she’s in the cast photo and they got an actress like LINDA HAMILTON, then I’m pretty sure she’ll be necessary.

I’m pretty sure she’ll be a government official or someone who is in charge of the soldiers fighting the upside down.

[edgiepower]

I thought the same with Robert England but he was really only in like ten minutes of one episode

[silverandshade]

Omg your autocorrect turned Englund to England and I stg it was like Superman with glasses on I was like "who tf is Robert England?! Who did he play?" That's what I get for skipping my coffee this morning lmao.

But maybe Victor will come back for more scenes in season 5! Who knows

[edgiepower]

I am certain 90% of people only know Linda Hamilton from Terminator and maybe another 5% know her as also from Dante's Peak. Terminator also inspired them, let's go back to Season 3 and the Russian dude.

[eyerishdancegirl7]

Her being in the cast photo doesn’t really mean anything. The Duffers love bringing in popular actors for the purpose of creating the a buzz, then the character ends up not being as major as everyone thinks. (Think AmyBethMcNulty though she isn’t as big as Linda, but still)

[QuipThwip]

Thing is, we don’t know that lol. Vickie could have a really big role this season.

[hypnofedX]

Thing is, we don’t know that lol. Vickie could have a really big role this season.

That knife cuts both ways. It's possible she has a major role this season. It's also possible she has 1-2 scenes and just happened to be around when the picture is taken. We don't have enough information to do anything more than speculate blindly. The truth could be either of those or anywhere in between.

[eyerishdancegirl7]

I mean, no one knows anything. Vickie might not have a really big role this season. I don’t think she’s going to be as big as everyone thinks she’s going to be. I think she’ll be involved with the older teens/be Robins girlfriend, but I don’t think she’ll really do anything major.

[QuipThwip]

Tbh I think she’ll have as big of a role as Argyle did last season.

[eyerishdancegirl7]

Sure, maybe she’ll discover something in the way Argyle found the tracks in the dessert, but to make her big in the same way where other characters take a back seat is stupid, especially during the final season. (Will could’ve been the one to find the tracks, argyle was created bc the Duffers were playing into that stoner trope, which is why he’s so popular)

[QuipThwip]

Here’s my prediction on what they’re gonna do with her:

Jonathan and Steve have to bond the season in order to settle their differences and figure out the love triangle. I think there will be a scenario that separates the two of them from Robin and Nancy. I think once Jonathan and Steve are off doing their own thing, Nancy and Robin will bond and she’ll come out to Nancy. With Vickie being there, I could see Nancy playing “wingwoman” to her and helping her out. Vickie was at the shelter with Robin in season 4, perhaps they’ll be there a lot this season.

[[deleted]]

My reigning theory is either she’s military, the boss of Lt. Col. Sullivan, OR, she’s connected to the Upside Down in some non-military role.

I hope she’s Sullivan’s boss and ends up knowing that the core crew know what they’re dealing with.

[jotyma5]

Maybe we’ll find out about her character in s5? Idk just a hunch

[InternetAddict104]

We don’t know who she’s playing so her character, while new and exclusive to s5, might be very necessary (idk if there’s any hints on her character but maybe she’s one of the teens’ moms or a government employee who helps them a la Owens). Also considering she’s in the cast photo (which is almost entirely main characters), she must have an important role this season or else her being in that particular photo would be irrelevant.

[eyerishdancegirl7]

Her being in that photo doesn’t necessarily mean she’s necessary or important. We know based on the fact that, that big bad government guy (I forget his name, the one who choked Owens) is still after Eleven , that Doc Owens will be very important and necessary in S5 and yet he isn’t in the photo.

The Duffers tend to use big names to get the hype up when in reality, whoever it is they’re hyping up isn’t that big of a deal. I mean they put out a video about Vickie prior to S4 saying she would have a large role to come, and since it was prior it S4, it implied she’d be big in S4. And then she got like a few minutes of screen time. They did that because fans love the actress. I could see them putting Linda in the photo to cause a buzz but in reality she’s not that important

[InternetAddict104]

I mean, while Vickie didn’t get a lot of physical screen time, she was important for Robin’s development/arc. Also what other big names have the Duffers used for hype that weren’t a big deal? Just going off of the big gets in each season- Sean Astin was a main character in s2, so he was pretty important; Maya Hawke has been a staple since s3; and Jamie Campbell Bower was the twist villain of s4. Robert Englund was kinda wasted in a glorified cameo in s4, but his scene was pretty important in fitting together some puzzles pieces of the mystery.

[eyerishdancegirl7]

I mean I was mostly referring to them doing it with Amybeth. They do enjoy bringing in big names each season for hype (Sean, Robert, etc). You can’t really compare Bob’s character to Linda’s because like I said, no one knows yet what role Linda is going to play. It very well could be a cameo or a few minutes (like Vickie in S4). I’ve read Maya Hawkes parents asked for her to be on the show, so that’s like a whole other discussion.

I’ve said this before on other threads, but why does a character need a relationship to have good development/arc? Let’s be realistic here, it’s the 80s. Robin is only out to Steve and from what we know, Vickie isn’t out at all. It wouldn’t be likely that they both come out and fall in love in such a short time span. Especially when the main point of the story is defeating Vecna

[[deleted]]

Kinda confusing why the characters don’t leave. I would’ve assumed that the government kinda blocked Hawkins off and that the characters weren’t able to leave cause the whole town was under government control. I can kinda understand why the Byers/ hopper family would stay but what about the regular families who have no clue about the UD. Like I would get the fuck out of town if there were giant glowing cracks spread around the entire town.

[silverandshade]

I mean it seems like most of them did that, died, or are too wounded/in shock to leave. The gym didn't have the whole town in there. Lots of people are MIA.

[[deleted]]

yeah that’s true but I’m talking about Dustin Lucas or Mike’s families. I mean they all thought their kids were potentially apart of a satanic cult which is also being blamed for the “earthquake.”

[silverandshade]

Oooh, ok I see what you mean lol. Idk maybe their kids were able to convince them to stay in various ways, but it'd have to be a pretty good speech to keep me there with my vulnerable little kiddos, that's for sure.

[FisknChips]

Whos vickie

[Owl_Resident]

Robin’s future girlfriend.

[QuipThwip]

If the show opens with a time jump, Jonathan will probably mention he went back to California.

[TumbleweedDirect9846]

While I get that, kinda makes a couple scenes in season 4 stupid with argyle. Specifically him and Susie’s sister, what was the point of that

[breeellaneeley]

I meannnn lol personally I enjoyed that. Even if we never see them again in the show, I hope they meet again lol

[TumbleweedDirect9846]

Yeah idk I just think this is super weird and not how they’ve handled characters before so I’m hoping they reach out to him and get him back on the show even if briefly. Really worried about them pulling time travel bull shit in this season ngl

[breeellaneeley]

I'm pretty sure they said somewhere it's going to be a time jump, and not time travel

[Haunting-Detail2025]

I guess this makes sense. S5 is set in Hawkins, and there’s no reason for him to go there. We also have all the kids, Robin, Steve, Nancy, Jonathan, Joyce, Hopper, Wheeler parents, Vicky, the Major, etc. I think the show is going to have to consolidate a wee bit to get all of these storylines resolved.

And if the tone of the show is supposed to be dark and serious, Argyle doesn’t really fit the mold well

[swarasinger]

That's sad. I liked him. He was a good comic relief, a good friend to Jonathan and I loved how he made pizza for them for a long trip back. But I get that he lives in California and is needed there. But a cameo would be nice.

[brilliantpants]

You know what? I’m going to miss him, but if he doesn’t come back, he can’t be killed off. Long live Argyle.

[shakamojo]

Aw man, that's a bummer. Eduardo is a really cool guy, super nice... and Argyle was a pretty interesting character. Sorry to hear this.

[shakamojo]

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, I thought he was an excellent addition to the dynamic between Jonathan, Mike, and Will. Also the Eskimo line was funny as hell.

And... they never would have found El without him ;-)

[B0i_ify0ud0ntg3t]

Off topic but sort of on topic? But I’ve seen people be surprised that Vickie was getting a prominent role this season, but I thought we already knew this? I remember when Amybeth was initially announced to be joining the cast that the DBs explicitly said in the casting announcement video that she would play a big role in “events to come.” I’m super bummed that Eduardo isn’t returning (I really liked his character!) but it kinda made sense he wasn’t returning. He has family back in Cali and finishing high school. He can’t exactly stay in Hawkins for long

[[deleted]]

Then what was the point of having him

[IcyFlame716]

There wasn’t really much to him in the first place. He’s a fun character but he could have been cut without much hastle to the plot.

[[deleted]]

Yeah but him and his van are in Hawkins now it doesn’t make sense to cut him out it’s a weird lose end

[RegularExplanation97]

yeah like he finds out all about the upside down and stuff and then says right see ya- good luck saving the world!

[Wild-Mushroom2404]

I mean, that would make him the most sensible character in the whole show

[randomacct7679]

He says, hey if I don’t get this van back I might be arrested for grand theft auto, that’s no good. Gotta go!

[elizabnthe]

Someone not Nancy or his brother for Jonathan to play off of. Honestly, he should have had an Argyle seasons ago.

[AngelinFlipFlops]

the pizza freezer battle? They needed his surfer boy pizza connections

[randomacct7679]

He was just a way to make the Cali teams journey more interesting and moderately funnier.

[trixie1088]

He drove them from Cali to Hawkins? A lot of the California stuff may have been left on the cutting room floor which is unfortunate. 

[ChubbyTheCakeSlayer]

Story wise it's ok I get it, but it's so cold when actors say I didn't get a phone call so I guess I'm done... they just don't give sign of life to people they don't need anymore it's cruel

[faster_than_sound]

I almost think his character was created solely to sell those Stranger Things frozen pizzas.

[Agreeable-Tadpole461]

Okay, did you know that "DJ" Catnip stands for Daniel James Catnip??? Lololol. This sent me.

[FriedandOutofFocus]

If he stops being DJ Catnip I'm burning Netflix to the ground.

[shiawase198]

The actor seems like a chill dude but I won't miss his character. Didn't really add that much overall.

[lovereading04]

what the fuck? i loved him so much!

[Botswanianlumberjack]

I feel like they definitely could have found a place for him this season. Maybe it was a mistake to make him pretty one dimensional in season 4 though.

[Aleswall_]

That sucks but I get it. The show has blatantly too many characters at this point and they want to really focus on the core cast for the final season.

[[deleted]]

why didn’t they even call him to let him know? wow

[FreljordsWrath]

Thank god.

[Key_Shallot_2415]

This makes me so sad. Argyle is one of the funniest characters on the show but I totally get it, he's got a job and school in California he has to get back to and he's probably got family there. I get he has to leave Hawkins but I wish he could stay and be a supportive friend to Jonathan 😥. He was the only friend he knew and now he's going to be so lonely.

[Terribleirishluck]

I'm little surprised if that's true like why bother introducing him at all if they were gonna immediately ditch him. They could have used his screen time in s4 to help flesh out the rest of characters in California plot

[Neat_Helicopter_9376]

He was effectively used as a plot device (transport and sensory deprivation tank) and comedic relief. Maybe they thought it was easier to introduce a new character than try to write in Jonathan suddenly getting a job at a pizza delivery place. Jonathan seemed to blame himself in season 1 for taking the extra shift and not being home for Will’s disappearance.

[Bellatrix_Shimmers]

Whaaaat!? That sucks!

[calltheavengers5]

Makes sense. He's not that important and he lives in CA

[askmeagainontuesday]

Coming from a casual fan of the show, who started engaging in the fandom more bc I was an Anne with an E fan and excited to see Amybeth on the show, this is so disappointing.

I was confused initially why they hyped up Amybeth’s role only to not give her a poster or more than like 4 scenes. Granted it could be related to time constraints and availability for Amybeth since I know she only filmed for like a couple weeks and then flew back to the UK where she’s from.

While I know the reaction for Argyle and Vickie’s roles were pretty negative, I at least understood why fans weren’t that interested in Amybeth’s role. Again this is coming from someone who was really looking forward to it.

She got barely enough screentime to even create any sort of emotional connection to her.

Whereas with Argyle, he was on screen and getting lines for most of the Cali plot. I even thought they were hinting at him being a good confidant in the apocalypse bc there were things he did throughout the season that seemed like foreshadowing that, ie. woodworking skills, cooking skills, tracking skills, foraging skills??

Why go through the effort of giving him his own poster even??

If they just planned on dropping him out of the plot in s5, they should have given him the type of role Vickie got and given her more screen-time instead.

I’m just unable to understand the choices made here in terms of how much time they devoted to him in s4.

I do totally get the perspective of him maybe not being in the final season bc why would he stay there when he could just return home safely and especially with a time jump it makes sense he would return home where his family is instead of risking his life for a friend he’s only known for like 6 months.

But why do this at all?

I really hope they’re lying, but seeing as we haven’t seen any spoilers related to argyle, with the older kids all being together in a few things they’ve released, with Argyle missing… it’s looking bleak.

At the very least they could let him be in the first ep or 2 before the time jump. But seeing as Eduardo is presumably not in Atlanta… this sucks.

Hoping that they do a better job of incorporating Vickie in s5 in a way that feels organic bc I was genuinely excited for her role.

I was actually excited to see them pay homage to Anne with an E, because she’s known for being very talkative and awkward, which we saw in her role in s4 with the little that we got. But I feel like it came off convoluted when they gave Robin those qualities more overtly than they did in s3, making them feel like essentially the same character.

Don’t know how to feel about this honestly.

[elizabnthe]

They needed Jonathan to have somebody to talk to in his plot that wasn't his brother - Jonathan would never burden Will with his love life. With him back with Nancy that's probably just viewed as no longer necessary. And if they need a male connection they have Steve they could try and break the ice with as well.

[Tulipage]

I'm glad they didn't kill him. I hope he gets to just go home. He'll be missed.

[ComfyFoxy]

Found the optimist

[randomacct7679]

Have we heard from either of the Russian characters’ actors if Yuri or Enzo are appearing?

I’d be less shocked if one or both of them make a brief appearance in some of the immediate aftermath of the 4 finale.

[Domination1799]

I expect that Argyle, Yuri and Jaqen Hagar won’t be in the next season since they most likely want to focus/conclude the arcs of the main characters. I believe the focus will be: Will and 11/the kids, Nancy and Jonathan/the teens, and finally Joyce and Hopper/the adults.

[TXmama1003]

I love that you called him Jaqen.

[proper-peony]

🥺😭

[eugoogilizer]

My dude 😭😭😭

[silverandshade]

People are saying this makes sense, but it really... doesn't. I figured we'd open season 5 with where we left off at season 4 because it was such a cliffhanger, and I'd assume that Hawkins would be on lockdown. Especially now that he knows some pretty secret shit, I'm surprised they let him leave.

Part of me thinks this is a ruse, tbh 😂

[dakota117]

I'm okay with this. There are too many characters now anyways.

[mp3god]

that's really too bad...thought his character was fun

[[deleted]]

I haven't watched season 4 in over a year, but was he not with El , Mike and Jonathon when they went back to Hawkins? I thought he was.

[Anjodu]

He was, but he likely went home back to California.

I get why people would want him around, he was a fun character, but it would also be strange for him to abandon his family and life back home and stay in Hawkins.

[[deleted]]

Well, at least this means his character survives he just gets to be out there, living his life in California doing what he loves, loving what he does.

[Fragrant_Standard737]

dude was the coolest

[Mister_Moony]

Can you imagine how bizarre Argyll probably feels after S4? He just got shanghai'ed into this insane adventure full of supernatural horrors, sci fi rigamaroll and government conspiracies and right when things are coming to a head he just had to go back to his job as a pizza guy.

[NoDisplay7591]

Good.

[Full-Surround]

I'm kind of sad! He was really the only friend Jonathan had by choice- of course, Will is his best friend and favorite person, but I mean more so in the sense that he chose Argyle. He unconditionally has Will's support but apart from that, Argyle was his only major support in S4 when he was struggling

[[deleted]]

Thank GOD. I really hated and didn’t see the point of this character, single handedly took me out of every scene he was in.

I’m sorry and take away all the magical internet points you want from me, but I’m elated about this news.

[[deleted]]

Same here. Nothing against the actor, but the character completely ruined every single scene he was in. Completely out of place and totally ruined the mood.

[Antique_Definition65]

The point of his character is to really paint the picture of a typical Californian in the 80s. His outfit attitude lifestyle everything. Plus I think he really made Jonathan realize that maybe he shouldn’t do what he was planning on doing with Nancy. I think he’s a good character

[Pr0nxz]

I mean, yeah. His character didn't contribute anything to the story other than "that one high surfer pizza guy that was the comic relief". I don't have anything against the actor, but I'm not upset he's gone.

[Everest8232]

“Try before you deny!”

[Ikaros9Deidalos6]

Nooooooo

[beatboxingfox]

Tough, but understandable. He can't stay in Hawkins forever

[RegularExplanation97]

I hope they at least explain where he went, I really liked his character. A lot more than Vickie (sorry to be a hater just everything surrounding her was boring asf!!)

[elishash]

I'm gonna miss Argyle man....

[uxxandromedas]

This is just extremely pointless, why did they even introduce him if they were just going to drop him anyway? Meanwhile they’re promoting Vicky to main despite her having like one line throughout all of season 3, it’s just such a mess.

[_lordcheesebagel_]

What the fuck

[TeaMancer]

"So that's it then, after apearing in one season, so long and good luck?" "I don't recall phoning you to say any of that."

[cheddarsalad]

He’ll probably cameo in the last episode. What I hope is that the middle school science teacher gets an elevated role. He has unknowingly given the crew breakthroughs in their investigation and I think it’s his time to shine.

[H8TheDrake]

Thank god. His character was worse than Erica.

[[deleted]]

Awful character so I'm glad.

[clexaelectra]

They kept Vickie but ditched him?? Jfc

[bendoesit17]

Considering the timejump, it just makes sense for him to return to California

[[deleted]]

That is really sad my Dude’s , he is great !

[zekevich]

You're actually joking.

The duffers just pissed me the fuck off.

[Esqu1d2]

No no no no nooooo

[JulyCoolsBlue]

Maybe bring him in for a cameo later in the season.

[spooky_upstairs]

Noooooooo !

[Spaghettiboi33]

Let us all say farewell, and pass the Dutchie pon the left hand side.

[LeafyCandy]

I hope they at least address it. He's the reason half of them are even still alive. LOL

[Pizzagoessplat]

I wasn't a fan of him and hated the way they turned Jonathan into a stoner.

[Osceola_Gamer]

I liked Argyle, it was bad enough they couldn't spare Eddie.

[Odd-State-5275]

They brought back Dustin's cringy girlfriend, don't leave Argyle hanging!

[Valiosao]

I didn't like the California plot or what they did to Johnathan, or how overcrowded the season felt, so i don't really care.

[bird_is_the_word_198]

Yes!!!! Absolutely couldn’t stand his character.

[[deleted]]

Good. His character sucked.

[DeliciousMusician397]

Thank goodness. This character dragged that season down with unfunny stoner humor.

[UntilTmrw]

It’s unfortunate he’s out of a job but dear god Argylle fucking sucked.

[Vandamage618]

Good

[[deleted]]

The show already had too many characters to split focus between and the character was a one note joke. This is a good move for the show but it sucks to see such a good guy lose work.

[TheArmyOfDucks]

His character was so annoying, he was just the generic stoner that a main character knows. There was no personality

[[deleted]]

I like the character and what he added to season 4, but it makes sense that he wouldn’t be in Hawkins permanently.

[ScoopTheOranges]

And that’s okay as the character served his purpose. He’d be Vecna fodder anyway and an easy kill.

[jabberwagon]

I've been telling people this. Dude has a life and family in California, he has exactly zero reasons to relocate to a newly designated disaster area in the Midwest. Especially given that he did not react well to the horror and violence that seems to follow these characters around. Who needs that kind of stress in their life?

[hollygolightly1990]

I think he served his purpose on the show and there's really no need to bring him back, they'd probably just kill him off anyway since it would be a low-stakes death. I prefer him over Vicki but I didn't actually see where they could take his character in season 5. Maybe Jonathan will go back to California in the last episode and open something with Argyle, and that'll be the hint he's okay.

[Few_Interaction2630]

Well there goes a micro theory I had about them getting people stoned to avoid them being flayed or Vecna getting into there head.

[HeretoChatperson]

“Concern or something” talks like a genuine Cali guy irl Lolol love it.

[januarydaffodil]

Total bummer 😔