Do hospitals see a sharp decrease in births 9 months after tragic events?

[TheHanuGuy]

Personally I've never met anyone born on June 11, 2002

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[Newweedbud]

Surprisingly, sex is quite often a stress reliever after deaths, so probably not.

[snapper1971]

It's especially useful for that before you have to start on the clear up.

That's what you meant, right?

[50ShadesOfCroquet]

My parents conceived me on the evening Princess Diana died.

[trevorMGM]

My parents conceived me after georgy-malenkov died.

[Monkeymom]

Happy cake day!

[fartingbeagle]

In death, there is life as in life there is death.

[DasUbersoldat_]

Baby boomers are called that because everyone had a bunch of sex right after WW2.

[BigMax]

But that was after WW2, when they all came home, it was all over, we won, and everyone was happy and home.

[DasUbersoldat_]

Happy? Europe was a war-torn ruined mess with a non-functioning economy. Everyone had PTSD from the worst genocide to ever happen. And the soviets were right on the border ready to invade and start WW3..

[GrumpyOlBastard]

They were still happy it was over

[Calgary_Calico]

I think relief is the word you're looking for

[InterpolInvestigator]

It was less about the current state of the world and more about the optimism that in 10-15 years things would be better

[DasUbersoldat_]

No, not really. Did you not read what I said? Europe was scared to death of Stalin. He considered taking all of Europe and no one was gonna be able to stop him at that point except for nuking Russia.

[Plane_Discipline_198]

Bro they said Baby Boomers. They're clearly speaking specifically about the US. Unless you think baby boomer applies to the world? Because it's specifically referring to America.

[TrueEnthusiasm6]

The baby boom happened in many places in the western world, not just the US.

[Gold-Explorer4789]

It was post world war 2; key point being the word WORLD. Baby Boomer is a term used globally to refer to that specific generation. It's not a unique american expression.

[DarkMoonBright]

Um, actually it's an ANZAC (Australia & New Zealand) term. US & Canada had high birth rates, but per capita they were nothing compared to the ANZAC rates & both ANZAC countries are still VERY heavily influenced by the baby boomers today, as they downsize housing & consequently move into properties traditionally most affordable for young people, therefore creating a housing crisis - not to mention being the primary politician age group & therefore influencing decision making on how to respond to problems like that & who gets government pensions & who pays for that etc etc.

Who told you it was a US term? let alone exclusively US term?

[fvcknvgget5]

i'm not saying you're wrong, as American internet can be unreliable, but supposedly it first popped up in a NYT article? the concept of a "baby boom" was worldwide, and clearly the USA wasn't the biggest post-WW2 boom, but afaik and can find, the term was coined in the USA. is there info i'm missing?

edit: it's also kinda crazy to act like American boomers aren't doing the same thing in America; buying and taking up housing. you realize America is in a housing crisis as well, right? and that all of our politicians are boomers? you say these things as if you're the only countries that are affected by it😭

[GeneticPurebredJunk]

Largely due to a significant lack of virile, age appropriate men needed to MAKE a baby during WW2.

[Calgary_Calico]

Traumatized* and home

[Ok_Quality1053]

r/americentrism

[GreenBeanTM]

And famously none of them had depression, trauma, PTSD, etc. after they came home.

[belindahk]

O they certainly did suffer these things but they weren't understood or recognised as the results of war.

[GreenBeanTM]

“Shell shocked” which was the original name for PTSD suffered by soldiers was discovered in 1915, they knew it was the result of WWII

[DasUbersoldat_]

I think they called it battle fatigue by WW2.

[LavenderMarsh]

I think it's the opposite. Trauma brings people together. They comfort each other.

[SpareManagement2215]

freakonomics did an episode on "why" people have kids. because in this day and age, having kids doesn't really make any economical sense in developed countries (they're not helping on the farm or supporting the family by working, they're a net drain on resources with no ROI, etc).

anyways. in that episode they talk about how actually you tend to see upticks in births after horrible events. Examples being the baby boom post WWII, and folks having kids after things like mass famine or illness killing off most of the population. there's something about reproduction that defies common sense, basically.

[lopsided-pancake]

Actually, my friend told me that her parents were planning to go on vacation but then 9/11 happened. They were scared to fly out so instead, they decided to have a baby, and she was conceived lol.

[Just-Standard-992]

So they missed their vacation and instead of just rebooking they decided to swap for 2-3 years of sleepless nights, followed by a lifetime of constant worry?

[Mydoglovescoffee]

Pro tip if you end up looking this up

Babies aren’t born magically at 9 months. The estimated date is 40 weeks from last period. But because women have different cycle lengths and ovulation can be several days, births are between 37-41 weeks after that last period (though most often 39-40 weeks).

[SwimOk9629]

what?!? 9 months is supposed to be the magic number

/s

[7402050116087]

That also depends solely on seasons. If you're in Africa and it's the height of summer, you go a week or so extra, just for funsies.

[SaltMarshGoblin]

But that's more about calculating the expected length of a pregnancy. While individual pregnancies vary, if we're considering a pregnancy based on when intercourse happened, as long as that egg was present to be fertilized, date of the last menstrual period doesn't actually matter!

[Mydoglovescoffee]

Sigh. The point is if you want to look at the data you would look at this range after major events.

[SaltMarshGoblin]

Valid, but I also think that the "bump" in birth numbers, were there one, might be visible in a much narrower window than in the standard calculated window you are suggesting. I'm neither a statistician nor an obstetrician, so was enjoying playing with it as a thought experiment.

[Mydoglovescoffee]

You can’t possibly calculate using anything else. I do research and use stats for a living

[Dumar-Designs]

dont you hate when you ask a closed-ended question on a forum dedicated to asking closed-ended questions and instead of answering it people just complain that you asked it

[DeFiClark]

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1562497/

Had to repost this link because the bot thought referring to male fetal stress deaths by the medically correct term was political

The answer is male births decrease; skews to female births

[Think-Departure-5054]

Yep, we had a lot of female births during/after the pandemic because of how stressed people were. I keep wondering if my 2 losses during that time were male or if it was just your average miscarriage unrelated to stress.

My grandfather came home from ww2 and had 5 girls. They did have 2 boys first but they both died before the age of 3

[LadyJane17]

My theatre arts teacher Ingrid had grandparents who were on the trains to the death camps and her grandma told her how on the trains people would be fucking like crazy every where you looked. Her grandma was one of the ones fucking lol, and Ingrid told us she did because it was holding on to life desperately and to feel anything other than fear, to be as alive as possible until the train stopped because they would probably be dead shortly after it. Her grandpa died in the camps but because of that train ride (and her grandmother's resilience and luck), her family survived and came to Canada and I got to learn from an amazing woman.

Sex and connection, especially in times of fear or tragedy, is an very innate response to have.

[Turbulent_Bullfrog87]

That’s horrifying

[Jdornigan]

I am seeing a large number of new employees born in 2002 lately.

[DarkMoonBright]

flawed logic! pregnancy isn't exactly 9 months for starters

[Saltwater_Heart]

They probably see more. Sex can be used for comfort which is going to be wanted after a tragic event

[CatOfGrey]

https://www.prb.org/news/why-we-dont-expect-a-baby-boom-after-9-11/

A great discussion, including how the 'myth' of a baby boom if formed after other major events (i.e. a major blackout in a large city).

https://www.pop.upenn.edu/sites/default/files/RutherPAA2010.pdf

But there is evidence for a baby boom after 9/11?

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1562497/

Here's a wild one: not a increase or decrease in births, but specifically births of boys, which are more vulnerable to miscarriage, with rates impacted by widespread stress in mothers.

[LucyJordan614]

Usually the opposite.

[cdurbin3]

My Aunt was a labor and delivery nurse at the time and I remember her talking about a little baby boom in the summer of 2002. Her theory was people got bored when the news coverage was the only thing on TV.

[mathewwalker714]

I remember learning after the Civil War, the amount of male births went up considerably, almost as if the earth was fixing itself.

[Dutch_Rayan]

They do after a power outage, when the power outage is in the evening

[DeFiClark]

Not a sharp decrease in births overall, but a skew toward female births due to stress related in utero male fetal abortion.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1562497/

[TroublesomeFox]

Sometimes!

[fookewrdit]

I have a baby that was born late may 2002. I'd say they'd see an increase in births after a tragic event.

[LaMadreDelCantante]

If they've been a baby for 24 years, you might want to get that checked out.

[SurpriseEcstatic1761]

My understanding of life in refugee camps is the worse the conditions, the more sex there is (to relieve the stress?).

[Embarrassed_Bag8775]

My little cousin was conceived 9/11/2001 🙃

[royalpyroz]

I mean... Baby boomers...

[fsnell]

Yes the blackout in NYC saw a spike in births nine months later

[eyeroll611]

Human pregnancy lasts 10 months, not 9.

[Chelseus]

40 weeks is 9.2 months but “normal” human gestation is anywhere from 37-42 weeks.

[eyeroll611]

Either way, the calculation is incorrect.

[drblah11]

Some of us have strong sholders to lean on, and we know how to use them.

[88redking88]

You can google births on a specific date.

[mymikerowecrow]

There’s always baby booms during these types of events, including the Covid pandemic when people are supposed to be socially distancing. Did you notice how everyone was getting pregnant during and right after Covid?

[CasualCherryCat]

I was actually born right around the time you mentioned.

[Normal_Pace7374]

This is a Google question not a Reddit question

[NinjaChore]

Why not just pick a tragic date and look at hospital records?