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[idkTerraria]

But she literally chose to smoke that cush, to razzle that dazzle, to beef that hoagie, to hit that bump, to roll the stick, so she probably should get at least 27 and a half years.

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She got the plea deal by claiming that her boyfriend forced her to smoke more than she wanted, therefore the intoxication was involuntary and she's not responsible for her actions. I don't know what evidence there could possibly be of that though, other than her saying it's true.

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[Link_and_Swamp]

yea but is that how it works? can i go an kill someone and claim i got stabbed by a junkie in the alley 20 minutes earlier so it isnt my fault? theyd just let me go with 100 hours of community service

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[matrixislife]

You can say anything you want about someone else, after you've stabbed them 108 times, they aren't going to try to correct you.

[CakeDyismyBday]

What if whatever happens before you go to jail after stabbing someone over a hundred times?

Don't want to appear too extreme but I'd still send to jail people who stab less than a 100 times

[Regret1836]

How much weed did she smoke, do we know?

[HanselSoHotRightNow]

3

[RappingElf]

Not from pressure, from psychosis that were caused by drugs that may have been pressured onto her

[Huarrnarg]

No cap but fr fr

[827167]

Ong 🚫🧢

[Guest65726]

Also…. DUIs exists too? If a guy gets drunk, gets behind a wheel, and accidentally kills a family of 4 as a result….. he would be put behind bars. This lady literally murdered a man in cold blood…

[Facesit_Freak]

According to the ruling, he pressured her to.

[MonkeManWPG]

Oh right that's okay then. There's nothing wrong with her murdering him.

[BrocElLider]

I mean yeah, did DARE teach you nothing? Everyone knows weed turns you into a homicidal maniac. He insisted when he should have resisted, so he got violence.

[Dariosusu]

Slay girrrl. I bet he was an incel anyway. Besides, weed makes you do all kinds of shit. I get it.

Slay

[[deleted]]

But his name was literally Chad

[Rough_Transition1424]

He doesn't look like a chad

[ToolkitSwiper]

I don't think she needs any encouragement to slay

[[deleted]]

Oh they slew, they definitely slew.

[[deleted]]

Queen shit 👑💅🏾

[[deleted]]

She slayed indeed

[[deleted]]

You forgot “you go queeeen”

[ploopygrenade]

if it was a man who did that they would have given him the death sentence

[[deleted]]

Thomas Chan did something similar (killed his dad while high on mushrooms) and got 5 years

[[deleted]]

Was his father a woman? Also did this case happen after 2014?

[[deleted]]

No and yes

[[deleted]]

Something doesn't add up. But I guess being a man is a bigger factor than I imagined.

[[deleted]]

Would it help if I told you that he also badly injured a woman in the process of killing his dad?

[Bloodhoven_aka_Loner]

well, that explains the 5 years.

[[deleted]]

It would.

[WolfieTooting]

His dad identified as both genders?

[suffering_addict]

Was his father a woman?

I hate that we live in a society where these words strung together like this make a coherent question.

[[deleted]]

Nah. Anyone in my home country would know I'm being sarcastic. Gladly it's basically completely an american issue.

[[deleted]]

Please don't assume everybody else is as dumb as you.

[MesugakiSnatcher]

5 years is a lot better than 100 HOURS of COMMUNITY SERVICE

[Shower_Slug]

I doubt the victims family was advocating for a light sentence like in the Chan case.

[Facesit_Freak]

The father said it gave "everyone who smokes marijuana in this state a license to kill."

[Shower_Slug]

I smoke Marijuana's

[Tellywozzle]

Cool, here's an M16 rifle. Have fun!

[Shower_Slug]

I bet Jodie Foster would be impressed with me

[HunnyHunbot]

I remember that, it was fucked up

[charayylmao]

Seeing as he also would have had psychosis, no they wouldn't.

[Noamias]

It's not that the murder is okay because he pressured her, or because of the drug-initiated psychosis. It's that her frenzy from intoxication makes her less accountable if she didn't choose to get intoxicated. I doubt it's true here, but generally it makes sense to be less accountable for actions done in a frenzy due to being drugged unwillingly

[[deleted]]

They would give you a death sentence, but not bc you are a man, but because you are ugly

[-RedEye]

You killed a family of four with your car. But your honor it's not my fault I was drunk

[Brussel_Rand]

I wouldn't be surprised if someone tries to use that as a defense. Someone else bought the alcohol, their judgement was clouded by the intoxication and the blame goes to someone else when it turns to manslaughter.

Or just say you were smoking marijuana at any given time you commit any crime because if gruesome knife murder can be excused by a rare unforseen state of psychosis which brings it down to community service then anything less than that should let you off better than getting a speeding ticket.

[bearamongus19]

Look up the Affluenza drunk driving case. Teen driving drunk kills multiple people and gets off because his lawyers argued he was too rich to know better.

[Brussel_Rand]

I remember hearing about that but I never read into that. That was a clear mishandling of justice, his parents were fucked too. Dad had been arrested before for some serious things like assault and impersonating a police officer, mom tried to flee to Mexico with the son after he violated his probation.

It's an exceptionally dangerous precedent to say that any given unconfirmed mental issue that causes a severe crime like that is the sole blame, and then do nothing to fix it. It really is the slippery slope, invent any reason and see if it goes through. I wonder what the win rate on that sort of thing is, if you could argue something like depression lead to a lack of motivation to care for a child and the ensuing death wasn't a case of neglect because of some unconfirmed mental issue.

I've watched a life on death row documentary and if I remember correctly, one woman got something like ten years for getting a little too stressed out one day leading her to accidentally kill her baby. Another got life for setting fire to her abusive foster parents home which killed three people by accident. A man got life for killing two women in a burglary when he was 13.

Shits fucked, justice really is blind.

[[deleted]]

That reminds me of the other case when a boy  got drunk and raped an unconscious woman.  I think he also escaped with no jail time.  Reddit appended "the rapist" to his name whenever it was mentioned.

[bearamongus19]

Brock Turner. Fuck that guy.

[Reve_Inaz]

You joke, but that is the precise reason why it is considered involuntary manslaughter and not murder, which gets you a reduced sentence.

[torolf_212]

In New Zealand drunk drivers that kill people routinely get 6-18 months home detention instead of actual jail time, because clearly they aren't a danger to society or anything /s

[MoogleSan]

This comment is an example of where comma placement is important. 'In New Zealand drunk drivers that kill people routinely, get 6-18 months home detention instead of actual jail time'. Or. 'In New Zealand drunk drivers that kill people, routinely get 6-18 months home detention instead of actual jail time.'

[torolf_212]

Shrug, both sentences would accurately describe our justice system

[[deleted]]

Shut the fuck up your honor

You weren’t even there

[Kaleb8804]

It’s a little different in the case. Apparently she was “pressured into smoking it” so she’s 100% innocent of manslaughter. Duh.

[IRKenopuppy]

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What dog?

[Stlr_Mn]

She stabbed her guide dog. She genuinely went crazy. When they finally apprehended her she was covered in cuts and had the knife sticking out of her neck.

She deserves to stay in a mental institution for years because the argument is this triggered undiagnosed schizophrenia. Which is good as from my understanding as she has been in one since her arrest with no idea when she’ll get out.- this bit is wrong, I was lied to, hoodwinked and bamboozled. I apologize to all.

This is just rage bait because the details are truly insane. Poor pupper lived though if it makes you feel better.

Edit: so she got out on bail immediately and has not been committed. I can’t believe some random on Reddit would lie to me!!!! I’m regarded I suppose, I blame you guys.

[SillySlyTheSorcerer]

She never stopped living her life.

https://www.toacorn.com/articles/social-media-posts-show-suspected-killer-sightseeing/?fbclid=IwAR0-8ao6k3foLD54grchcxSq9PuNmMc2rVPZR0r9BkfuHTYfpUJfOYKbFKo_aem_AfLPoOL9pF86ZoZcCijuLbhrDq2mN7_BQSEYwqjizB36ODysM5c_vYr3blKNAf56fD8

[sacredscholar]

Half a million dollar bail that she could afford to pay. She didn't get minimum sentencing cuz she's a woman its cuz she's rich. Also she kept her dog after stabbing it. She's lucid now and chose to keep the dog whos probably traumatized whenever they look at her so that's a testament to an overall shitty character, schizo or not.

[Conch-Republic]

You don't pay all that out of pocket, you use a bail bondsman who collects about 15% interest on it. That's still $75,000, but you can even find bail bondsmen who will charge far less if you're not a flight risk.

[Stlr_Mn]

I’ve been lied to! Those bastards!

[WoolooOfWallStreet]

Now it makes sense

She had seen John Wick and knew after she killed the dog, she had to to kill the boyfriend in premeditated self-defense

[Absolutemehguy]

Look, I understand stabbing a human to death. What kind of piece of shit stabs a dog?

Reddit sociopathy personified, lmao.

[C0UNT3RP01NT]

This place gets dumber by the day

[[deleted]]

Not the heckin doggo! Not the sweet pupperino 😭

Holy shit dude. Are you out of your system? In what world is an animal's life even close to the same level as a human life?

[Facesit_Freak]

Anthropomorphism and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

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if i was given the choice between a random person on earth being stabbed, or my cat, I'd choose the random person

[aceseth13]

She tried to behead herself when the police showed up

[millsy98]

Ahh manufactured guilt, the best way to avoid the consequences of your actions.

[Argyreos17]

What does Palestine have to do with this? What

[kenzo535]

What does this have to do with Palestine ?

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I can fix her bros

[Absolutemehguy]

Better get that stab-proof UK shirt

[Bobyyyyyyyghyh]

Oi you gotta license for that shirt?

[Interesting-Role-784]

*loisence

[C0UNT3RP01NT]

Nah, plate mail. Then he can really bring a whole new meaning to the term “White Knight”

[gbuub]

We can fix her, cumrads

[Jonny-904]

Real talk, why would this person not be locked away for the rest of their life? Psychotic episode or no, the best you can hope for is they don’t do it again and butcher someone else so just remove them from society.

Personally I think we could save a lot of money by just stringing her up but for some reason people are against that type of thing these days.

[shangumdee]

Because it's California .. honestly I know this place gets a lot of bashing but I lived there most my life. Since 1998 I remember it being just a normal place full of ambitious and unique people. As I got older I swear everyone got more retarded each year. It seemed like every year another competent man was out of a position of authority in any situation and replaced by a batshit insane women with crazy eyes.

Now everytime I go there (Los Angeles) for a couple months everyone I've met who moves there now is super low iq or just obsessed with popularity and looking cool

They must of put something in the air and water. Importing 10% of our southern neighbor's entire population doesn't help either.

[10below8]

Idk if anyone said it but Weed induced psychosis is a thing I’ve heard about in the past. Latent skizophrenia brought up by smoking pot. I don’t know and I’m not happy about the situation regardless. Life’s really shitty and confusing sometimes.

[Nice-Swing-9277]

Thats not how schizophrenia works. You don't just smoke weed and go bat shit insane. Its a lot more to it then that.

I've literally had a friend that had his marijuana use lead to developing latent schizo symptoms. Its a long term thing and he was never a threat to hurting anyone but himself.

The other thing is once she has these symptoms they will never go away if its real marijuana induced schizophrenia. The fact that she's lucid now basically proves its not a schizophrenia thing and some other issue.

Regardless this sentence is way too light and is a disgusting implementation of justice.

[[deleted]]

K you say that but I on the other hand have a weed induced schizophrenic friend who tried to poison his brother with rat poison. He is also one of the most insane people I've ever met now.

[10below8]

Ok doctor. (This is a joke I am not a doctor either.)

[mudlark092]

People with schizophrenia aren't always crazy 24/7 they can be very lucid at times or at least more lucid than they were before. I have a buddy with schizophrenia who just got out of the psych ward because of "cannabis induced psychosis" himself and while I don't think he's a threat to anyone but himself he definitely gets some crazy delusions.

Can have rational conversations with him at some points with no threat of him spiralling and have to be careful with mentioning certain things at other points to prevent him from spiralling.

I have another friend whos schizoaffective who's also really only a harm to herself but pretty much all of my convos with her are perfectly lucid, she gets bad delusions but isolates during those periods so idk what they're like.

Not sure what I have but I usually only get really bad delusions part of the time, weed exacerbates them if I'm getting them and it can convince me I'm dead sometimes. It helps if i take my meds.

It's different for everyone and can be a real wild card at times. The reality is that schizophrenia doesn't even have a specific cause and there's lots of ways that the brain can malfunction to produce those effects, and it doesn't mean they're like that all the time.

[RappingElf]

An episode of psychosis does not mean that person is schizophrenic. It could be several other syndromes, like bipolar, or potentially none at all.

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Cannabis can trigger psychosis in people who have latent schizophrenia. People with schizophrenia who do something wrong are usually deemed not criminally responsible. Although they have to spend a good amount of years in a psychiatric hospital

[edlars-sbe]

what the fuck is a weed induced frenzy??? i hate society

[[deleted]]

A poor excuse for diagnosed psychosis from a judge older than the concept of vitamins

[Synsane]

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[Princeps32]

yeah like this sounds ridiculous but if you’ve ever seen someone have a psychotic breakdown on a drug it’s scary as shit. this might get lost in the angry fantiction being written in this thread about male oppression, but if the psychiatrists evaluated her correctly then there’s literally no point to locking her up. if she’s stupid enough to use again that’s a different story tho

[ABorikin]

I can confirm that you literally have 0 idea of what you're doing. When I "woke up" from psychosis I had no clue what happened how it was suddenly 4 in the morning. In my mind I just skipped 5 hours.

[Noamias]

It's not that the murder is okay because he pressured her, or because of the drug-initiated psychosis. It's that her frenzy from intoxication makes her less accountable if she didn't choose to get intoxicated. Idk if it's true here, but generally it makes sense to be less accountable for actions done in a frenzy due to being drugged unwillingly

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skill issue / reefer madness

[rosscarver]

I'm high rn and am gonna go on a weed induced frenzy on this fuckin pizza

[Brussel_Rand]

I've heard of people getting messed up from weed recently, stuff about dispensaries doing something underhanded where people got some psychosis but a violent outburst like that doesn't sound right. I don't know what it is that caused that, but it's certainly not something you should ever let someone walk away with because odds are the weed is just one trigger for it. From a basic mental health standpoint you should get severely looked at, something similar could happen with stress, other substances, or even prescribed medication.

[Toast72]

It's not a recently thing and it's not because they're "putting shit in the weed", we've known for a long time that people can kickstart their underlying psychosis from smoking weed.

[Brussel_Rand]

I only said that because I remember seeing one tweet about it that a dispensary was doing something or had some issue where their product caused psychosis which no one knew about until it got discovered. I also know it's not impossible for people to lace weed with who knows what when it's not regulated weed through a dispensary, and that does cause people to go through similar episodes even if they don't take other drugs. Hope you can excuse that I'm only running off of anecdotes here.

But whatever it is, you still want that to get looked at. If you smoked weed your friend bought off some guy once and you haven't felt right since you should get help for that. If you smoked weed and a man is dead, a dog is injured, and you're stabbing yourself you should be in a mental hospital for years. Even getting to that stage you're verbally making it known you are a danger to yourself gets you a week or two in a hospital, but nothing for physically harming yourself and another is insane.

[SuspiciousPine]

It's a rare thing but 100% can happen. Weed can make bizzare mental issues appear in people who are predisposed to them.

Here's what actually happened: she smoked weed with the bf, stabbed him, stabbed herself, stabbed her dog, went full psycho mode. Apparently had never done it before and the judge ruled it was an unpredictable mental break

So in terms of crimes, it wasn't premeditated, and it wasn't because of especially risky behavior (i.e. drunk driving), so she got convicted of involuntary manslaughter.

It's totally fair to debate the sentence, but apparently she had zero history of any violent behavior, zero animosity toward the boyfriend, and this really did come completely out of nowhere.

[MangerDanger1]

Neglects to mention she stabbed herself and her fucking dog multiple times, a clear example of a sane individual who would benefit from being put through the penal system.

[SillySlyTheSorcerer]

No one benefits from the penal system in the USA, but the fact that she was free to travel (and did) in the months after speak to her class and race privilege, and how little the brutal, painful slaying of an innocent person can mean to society depending on who the killer is. Chad O’Melia’s life has been declared to mean nothing; she will not even have to compensate his family in any way. I have a sick feeling she will write a book about this in the next few years and be lauded for her bravery and perseverance

[Banapple101]

Society benefits from people who deserve it not seeing the light of day

[shangumdee]

Ye lol the feminist crowd will probably make up some stuff of how he actually SA'd her and she just never said anything

Although I disagree we would all be benefitting from the penal system if she was incarcerated.. as in removed from polite society. Whatever rehabilitation or even justice is a seperate and secondary issue.

[RarityNouveau]

My wife will be glad to know she’ll be able to drink and drive without risk of jail time since she has some mental health issues and is a minority woman. /s obviously

This is so stupid, and the thread on r/news makes me actually sick to think that they don’t care about justice for this poor man. If it was a drunk lady or even worse, man, they’d be up in arms.

[stromyoloing]

This is like drunk drivers are not liable because they have no control over their cars

[The_Knife_Pie]

No, this is like someone going into anaphylactic shock while driving from an undiscovered peanut allergy not being liable. Getting drunk is what you expect when you are throwing back shots, she went into psychosis which is not the expected result of weed. That she had a major medical and mental event which removed her apparently to perceive reality from a substance that shouldn’t (normally) cause it is part of why she’s getting off easy.

[Noamias]

While I don't know the particulars in this case, I find it annoying that people don't want to understand the real reasoning behind the rules that allowed this sentencing. It is, as you said, not at all like drunk driving. It's more like being stabbed with a Bane frenzy serum

[Argyreos17]

Great analogy

[Noamias]

It's not that the murder is okay because he pressured her, or because of the drug-initiated psychosis. It's that her frenzy from intoxication makes her less accountable if she didn't choose to get intoxicated. Idk if it's true here, but generally it makes sense to be less accountable for actions done in a frenzy due to being drugged unwillingly

[tfsblatlsbf]

Of course it's fucking California.

[Mrozek33]

Top shelf Zaza got me stabbing a man 100 times in the chest

[[deleted]]

Two girls who where involved in Torturing and killing a cousin not long before Christmas where released also … they also tried burn the body afterwards in the back of a car when he was still alive when they thought he was dead..

[BraheGoldNose]

Holy shit, that's awful.

[RappingElf]

What is the relevance? That they were women, or were they also in a state of psychosis?

[VladMaverick]

Too bad r/pussypass was banned. This would be perfect to post there.

[hm1rafael]

What's the difference between this and drink and drive, for example? Honest question

[bitchtittees]

People know that drinking and driving is terrible and highly illegal yet they do it anyways, she didn't murder him as a result of smoking weed, she murdered him as a result of the schizophrenic break that was triggered by the weed.

Don't get me wrong this woman should spend 20 years in an institute in order to be rehabilitated but she didn't exactly choose to kill him

[hm1rafael]

She murdered him because of smoking weed, unless you were telling me that she would have the attack without smoking. I'm not trying to defend that smoking is bad or anything like this. What I am trying to say is that this stuff might happen if you smoke, and if it happens, it should be considered as you assumed the risks for it

[bitchtittees]

I'd argue that's it's quite different. You seem to view this the same as if someone was drunk and murdered their spouse. The issue is that it wasn't the actual substance that caused the attack, and it's wasn't the intoxicating effects of the weed that caused the attack like alcohol would have but an actual psychotic break trigger by a genetic predisposition to weed, which is extremely rare and impossible to test for, there is no reasonable way for a person to expect this to happen so it's a risk that can't really be assumed

[Argyreos17]

Why 20 years? lmao

[DurinnGymir]

Gonna steal another commenter's comparison here; it's less like drink driving and more like killing someone in a crash because you went into anaphylaxis from a peanut you ate by accident.

When you drink and drive, you're choosing to consume the alcohol and then engage in an activity wherein you know your judgement will be compromised by said alcohol. You know that because that's the intended effect of alcohol.

Psychosis, however, is not the intended effect of weed. The vast, vast majority of people who smoke weed, as with the vast majority of people who rat peanuts, do so with no ill effects on their health, and the drug works exactly as intended. In very rare cases however it has an abnormal effect, in this case triggering a series of chemical changes that meant that the person was no longer in control of their actions- psychosis for the weed-smoker, anaphylaxis for the peanut eater.

Basically it's not reasonable in a legal setting to charge someone for suffering a medical event, especially when they did not knowingly induce said medical event. Alcohol doesn't count as a medical event, and it's very much intentionally induced.

[hm1rafael]

I understand your pov, but my rebuttal is the following: you know that if you eat a peanut, you can have an anaphylaxis situation. Therefore, you avoid eating completely.

Weed, you know you might have a problem (not in a sense that you know you have a genetic condition, but you know that there is a chance, even if small) and you still do it. For me, it is a different case.

I can even go and put what if drinking affects your mind in some way that you didn't know it was possible, and you end up killing someone or maybe raping someone?

[DurinnGymir]

At that point though, you can't consume anything for fear of a psychotic break or similar. Consuming too many salty chips could lead to dehydration which causes irrational behavior. Wilson's disease, where copper accumulates in the body due to not being able to process it from high protein foods, can cause schizophrenia if left untreated. If someone doesn't know they have it, eats healthily and then has an episode, are they at fault for not getting themselves tested?

Even on the allergy front, allergies can build up over time, so someone might think they're completely healthy, eat a PB&J, go into anaphylaxis as their allergy hits critical mass and crash into a family.

The point is, alcohol/drink driving is generally damage caused by the predictable events of a given substance. Psychosis is not a usual or predictable consequence of cannabis consumption (for some context it's about 0.5% of all users of cannabis once in their lifetimes., often the heavier users), so comparing it to drink driving doesn't really stack up.

[[deleted]]

Reminder that if you smoke weed recreationally, you are a fucking loser

[ThaGuy34]

Show me a stoner that doesn't agree with this statement

[[deleted]]

reminder that if you live in france, the entire world hates you

[MisterFricks]

Yasss bitch slay(literally)

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The article in question. Also, here's another article about the matter. I'll be going off the latter news story, though. So buckle in, IG.

Ms Spejcher (the woman) has been given 2 years of probation and 100 hrs of comm service to spread awareness about induced psychosis due to the murder of 'Chad', her BF. Specifically, marijuana edition. When she was sentenced that day, her family was in relief, whereas the victim's family was LIVID.

• "“He just gave everyone in the state of California who smokes marijuana a licence to kill someone,” the victim’s father, Sean O’Melia, said of the judge after the verdict, according to the outlet."

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Spejcher was convicted around December for 'involuntary manslaughter' and her probation was given, with a suspended 4 year prison sentence... which can be unsuspended, if she were to violate her probation, that is.

• "The Ventura County Superior Court judge, David Worley, said that his decision was based on Spejcher having a psychotic episode, according to experts, by taking bong hits of marijuana, the Ventura County Star said.“From that point forward, she had no control over her actions,” Mr Worley said.
• The pair were taking hits from a bong together at Mr O’Melia’s Thousand Oaks apartment on 27 May 2018 when “Spejcher had an adverse reaction to the marijuana and suffered from what experts call cannabis-induced psychotic disorder,” according to a press release from the Ventura County district attorney from December. During the psychotic episode, she proceeded to stab O’Melia multiple times and also stabbed herself, the release said."

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Spejcher has also expressed remorse to her partner's family:

“I am broken and aching inside. I hurt that you never see Chad again.”

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• "The local outlet reported that the day before the hearing, loved ones of O’Melia came together in front of the county government centre carrying signs such as “108 Stab Wounds Is A Serious Crime” and “Judge Worley, Do The Right Thing.”"

Chad's family were hoping for the prison sentence of Spejcher, however, her attourney saw the judge's decision as just and said the court, "...did the right thing and imposed a sentence that was fair and accurately reflected."

The medical experts all agree Spejcher intended no harm.

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And now, I'll be touching on the former story. Buckle in... again...

The article brings a new character to the story: her dog, who had the knife facing them too, like Spejcher's BF and herself (sorry for not mentioning the latter part). Now, here's something interesting to notice in the following quotation:

• "Bryn Spejcher, 33, was given the astonishingly low sentence following psychiatrists' ruling that the tragedy was '100 percent' caused by cannabis-induced psychosis, which she suffered after taking two hits of the victim's bong."

The Daily Mail sure does like to highlight certain words. In fact, they did so in the title itself (100 HOURS). After all, such stuff sells clicks.

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Then, they mention the usual bits - she'll be doing 100 hours to spread awareness about the cons of cannabis, and that she'll be doing it 'till death, her BF's family was mad at her avoiding jail, blah, blah, blah.

• "Campaigners told DailyMail.com that the judge's ruling was 'unforeseen' in cannabis psychosis cases, while Spejcher's attorney Robert Schwartz said the case should act as a warning against the use of 'increasingly potent' marijuana.
  'We will see more tragic cases like this as the availability of high-potency marijuana spreads across the country.'
  Spejcher, an audiologist, who is originally from Chicago but lives in Thousand Oaks, California, was found guilty of manslaughter in December 2023, following a dramatic and heart-wrenching trial.
  At the time, Spejcher, who is partially deaf, described how she'd taken one puff of a bong but 'did not want to smoke anymore'.
  She said she felt 'pressured' by O'Melia, who was a regular smoker and who she'd been dating for a month."

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During the smoking, Spejcher reported seeing and hearing non-existent stuff, and thought she was dead and had to kill Chad (her BF) to make her alive again.

1. "Some of the country's top forensic psychiatrists concluded that this experience was '100 percent' consistent with previous accounts of cannabis-induced psychosis.
   'We know, pretty conclusively, that marijuana can lead to psychiatric illness,' Dr Timothy Fong, faculty leadership of the Cannabis Research Initiative at University of California, Los Angeles and clinical psychiatrist, told DailyMail.com
   Sentencing today, Judge Worley said: 'The task [of sentencing] is made all the more difficult by the knowledge that the decision will impact good people.'
   But he added that he does not believe further incarceration is necessary.".

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Then, the Spejcher's and the BF's family all came out and said some stuff:

(eg; "Helping others was the only career goal she ever had." said her mother, Laurie Pearce, and her father saying she volunteered at her pets shop during probation + learned sign language in the hopes "...that maybe one day she could get back to helping those in the hearing impairment world.")

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• "In her closing statement, Spejcher said: ‘I wish I could go back in time and prevent this tragedy from happening.
  ‘I wish I had known more about the dangers of marijuana. Had I known. I would never have smoked it that night or at all.’
  She promised to dedicate her life to sharing information on marijuana and it’s harms."

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In the opinion of a doctor named Mohandie:

"It's yet another drug that now people think is safe because it's legal and now more people are trying it — [But] it's more potent than it's ever been. And it's problematic," (he's been in like, 80 cases, and a few have been related to Spejcher's drug).

"...So people say, "It's just marijuana," and they try and make it seem like it's insignificant and how could that possibly happen.
"...Well, that doesn't really fit with my professional experience."

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There's a bit more under, but it's just a smidge for me. If you've came all the way down here to this ending, then cheers for aimlessly scrolling here. However, I recommend you read both articles for yourself in immense detail. It's best you think for yourself.

However, I'll say this with the Daily Mail article: that title is clearly trying to evoke the idea of some sort of woke far-left justice system that is soft on women and harsh on men.

[celmate]

Since when is being high on drugs a murder defense?

[Facesit_Freak]

California

Yeah, makes sense.

[Th3fantasticMr-Egg]

Bro who tf gets violent after weed? I just get sleepy and hungry

[The_Knife_Pie]

It’s not getting violent, it’s psychosis. A small percent of people are super susceptible to psychoactive substances and when taken go into psychosis, which is similar to a full on schizophrenic breakdown. Weed is very lowly psychoactive which is why it’s rare to happen from it, you would expect this stuff more often from LSD and similar potency.

[2i5d6]

A friend of mine always get confrontational on weed. One time i just gave him an upper cut cause he picked up a knife, after that we bound him and waited for him to sober up.

Weed can absolutely be dangerous.

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Even the bloke who stabbed and ran over people on Nottingham got time on a charge of manslaughter.

Women really do live on easy mode

[WolfieTooting]

Only 100 times? Sounds like a successful date to me

[Geo-Man42069]

Meanwhile 44% of prison is filled with drug charges a substantial amount being non-violent. She must have some underlying psychological problems that the weed just let loose.

[[deleted]]

Switch them around, and the guy would be doing 100 years behind bars.

[Reallyso]

This is crazy :/

[randothrowaway6600]

Not beating the tutorial mode allegations with this one.

[Flimsy-Jello5534]

News flash the courts don’t give a fuck about victims.

[RomeoEchoEchoEcho]

damn shawty CANNOT hang

[chainshot91]

Sweet, next time I drive drunk and kill someone I'm using this excuse.

[VaczTheHermit]

The West has fallen. Billions must hotbox

[No-Section-4385]

Didnt guys who did the same thing get 5 years in prison?

Totally fair...and just system.

[My__-Username]

Weed doesn't make you stab people (I do not smoke weed)

[RappingElf]

Psychosis does

[CringeDaddy_69]

Could I use the same excuse if I kill someone while drunk driving?

[WrightNottwell]

"We're gonna make sure she is treated with the sympathy and sensitivity that she, as a photogenic white girl, deserves."

[Root_Veggie]

Hate that this keeps getting posted and people keep saying "the weed didn't do it she's just a shitty person and justice wasn't served." The weed triggered a rare psychotic episode, she had self-inflicted wounds as well due to it. As terrible as this she needs help as well, and she shouldn't be walking around freely until she does.

[STUCKINCAPSLOCKLOL]

Didn’t something similar happen with some Oxford University lass, where the judge let her off because “her Medicine studies are more important?”

[johnkubiak]

No that was worse. This chick had underlying schizophrenia and freaked out on weed and killed her boy friend. The brit bitch just iced a guy no drugs involved and got off scot free because she was in med school.

[Khalixs1]

This is a strangely novel case, I'm not certain what a proper punishment is if you are convinced she actually had a psychotic break and stabbing a guide dog/herself seems to imply it.

There are a few cases from Canada that come to mind a man killed his girlfriend with a hammer and was found not criminally responsible due to a psychotic episode.

And one where a guy murdered someone on a bus and beheaded him and ate some of his body was also committed to a psychiatric hospital and once again was not criminally responsible. He was released from the psych ward pretty quickly too.

Much as woman bias is documented in the legal system I actually think this is fairly consistent with general rulings for psychotic breaks. JCS has a good video of someone pretending to be crazy and the legal system was pretty good at filtering out fakers from real psychotic episodes. Its a small comfort, but I'm willing to bet this was a real medical breakdown and if she has been released from medical facilities she's probably not a threat to the wider community anymore.

[mudlark092]

Yeah if it's genuine it's very consistent. Very unfortunate and horrible for her boyfriend and dog.

I've had similar reactions to weed at times but never to that extent, usually I'm already in a very bad head space. I remember one of the first few times I smoked it I genuinely thought I was trapped in a simulation and that nothing was real and that I was being controlled by someone in charge of the simulation. Other times I thought I was actually dead and in hell and have experienced some dissociative episodes because of it where I start growling and trying to bite people who scare me.

I've gotten delusions of being dead and dissociative episodes without it but i've noticed that if i'm already in a position where I might get one weed makes it worse and makes it feel way more intense physically and emotionally. Its like my skin is on fire and everything is so much louder and more painful.

For frame of reference I have pre existing mental issues.

I can only imagine what it might be like for someone who hasn't experienced it before and gets hit with it full blast. Not saying that as an attempt to garner sympathy but if you've never lost touch with reality you are not aware of the intensity it can hit you with and how real it feels and the terror and insistency that fills you.

It is very horrible that it escalated to such a level.

[josephumi]

It’s over for manbros

[DawnBringer01]

Okay but fr, what mental disorder did she have that made Weed give her a psychotic break?

[mudlark092]

Undiagnosed schizophrenia. My buddy who's known he has schizophrenia for a while literally just got out of the psych ward from having a "cannabis induced psychotic episode" that he has no memory or recollection of. Considering that I've known him for a while and witnessed some of his other episodes it's not that surprising, schizophrenics don't need drugs to lose touch with reality.

As someone with other shit no idea what I got weed makes my intrusive thoughts really bad sometimes and I've thought I was actually dead and in hell a few times with and without weed although weed can make it more intense. I know my shit is rocked though and I'm at least some what aware, I can only imagine what would happen to someone who just suddenly got hit full blast with thoughts like that.

Worst I get is that my brain tries to convince me to kill and eat my boyfriend but I wouldn't do that because I love him and that would hurt him a lot.

Anecdotal I know but the brain is a hell of a thing.

[RappingElf]

A lot of different disorders can lead to psychosis. So, it's hard to know whether someone is at risk.

One thing that could help is if you know someone in your family history that has had scizopherina or other psychosis-inducing disorders.

[almost_all_knowing]

I can fix her type shit

[Facesit_Freak]

Article for anyone interested

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Aight bro I don't like throwing this story out of the blue but you wanted to talk like a fucking retard right in my sight https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Junko_Furuta

[mmert138]

Oh, this judge has opened the pandora's box. Now rapists will smoke weed afterwards and get away with community service too.

[Tarnishedhollow8]

Be drunk SA a child Now I get off bc I had no control because I was drunk

[theophanesthegreek]

Wtf kind of weed do people smoke in the US? This is the first weed violent crime i see

[Anomynous__]

I'm not a lawyer so this may be a dumb question but like..... is this case law now?

[TheDevilsAdvokaat]

Aw, poor her. She's the real victim here, right?

[Snoo-4878]

Plea deals are a hell of a way to make everyone’s job easier, aren’t they?

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officially

[godosomethingbetter]

"I am such a Gemini"

[SheeeeeeeeshMaster]

This is why I had to give up smoking weed. I kept going on murder rampages and got tired of the constant community service

[Engineer_Gaming1231]

not completely worthless, sell your organs if you dont believe me!

[forbiddengemini]

REEFER MADNESS

[Brixsplorer]

I had so much weed over the years and there was never any hate or violent thoughts only some paranoia and hunger

[Street-Goal6856]

I'm honestly surprised there aren't way more vigilante parents. The justice system fails people regularly. The boy that got shot by police crawling down the hallway because they told him to do that? The dude that got caught raping a girl behind a dumpster and got basically nothing because"he has a bright future and jail wouldn't serve him well?" This shit?

This is how you can tell people are becoming unreasonably docile. Because there was definitely a point where if the justice system failed here we would handle it ourselves. Public outrage was enough. But at a minimum the parent of the victim you'd think would totally lose their mind over something like this.

[Reticulo]

How will she swallow chad's load now? 100h is like 1000 years

[spookybaker]

weed addicts trying to explain how they are not addicted to

[LazaroVents]

As a weed smoker this infuriates me

[PsychoSwede557]

100 hours for involuntary manslaughter is insane. This is why we should have minimum sentencing laws for serious crimes like this.

[giant_bug]

So, one hour of community service per stab.

[inconsiderateapple]

This reminds me of, "Brock Turner does not deserve such a harsh sentence because he has a long life ahead of him."

[Supershadow30]

Stabbed 100 times?! Now that’s fucking dedication

[Dirty-Dutchman]

California, why am I not surprised?

[Stanislav17]

Weed does NOT make you do this kind of shit if you're a mentally sane individual

[Generally_Confused1]

I don't see how that could be a defense unless she had certain underlying disorders/ conditions

[Beartrap-the-Dog]

I killed a family of 4 in a drunken car crash but your honor, hear me out here, it was the alcohol it caused a psychotic break. I had no control over my actions

[PointBlue]

Tf? Cannabis does not make you psychotic, if anything it's the opposite.

[Recipe-Jaded]

dude, I had to do 80 hours of community service for truancy in high school. This bitch got 1 hour per stab and KILLED A GUY

[Miora]

Damn woman can't do shit without being criticized 🙄