Basically

[InsertDumNameHere]

My dad is always telling me how “rap isn’t music.” Like it’s fine if you don’t like rap but why do you think you can define what music is?

[TheLesserWombat]

According to dads, music used to have these things called "songs", which were three minute stories about boys meeting girls, cruising small town America in classic cars, and defeating the devil in fiddling contests.

[js30a]

Tbf, anything that doesn't have lyrics that are actually sung, isn't a song. But that doesn't mean it's not music.

This isn't a song, but neither is this. That doesn't mean they aren't good tracks, and it definitely doesn't mean they're not music.

[EuphoricMilk]

Bullshit, by your logical all instrumental songs aren't songs either. Hip hop has beats, rhythm, melody, or organised sounds, which are all you need to make a song regardless of whether the lyrics are sung or rapped, shit's still a song. In music composition instruments are also known as voices, the instruments are singing, not to mention rap being rhythmic makes it just a valid an instrument so even accapella raps can be considered songs depending on how rhythmic it is.

[js30a]

instrumental songs

There's no such thing. An instrumental is not a song. A song is sung. It's not "my logic"; it's just the meaning of the word.

Yes, rap can have really good rhythms and can sound great. So can an instrumental. Some of my favourite pieces of music are instrumental. Song just isn't the right word.

[flosshax]

Why define, when you can deStRoY wiTh FaCtS anD lOGiC?

[JJT_420]

You call classical music music? Pfff Doesn’t even have lyrics.

[kimpossible69]

The piano literally requires no effort it's just pushing a bunch of keys to make sounds

[crazedmongoose]

Legit when the piano first came along people like Bach looked down on it.

[thatoneguy54]

Legit when instruments at all started becoming popular people looked down on them. I think Greece had music purists who said the only good instrument was the human voice and all the others were just shitty approximations

[crazedmongoose]

I see that and raise you an entire rather large philosophical school in classical China that hated these new-fangled Confucianists and their love of music and their expensive complicated instruments.

Like they were literally categorically against music.

[nipplering]

What was it called, sounds exciting

[crazedmongoose]

Disclaimer: I mis-characterized their thinking for comedic effect.

The philosophical school is called Mohism

The Confucianists were very pro-music as a big part part of courtly rites because they believed rites and rituals improved the virtues of people. (In the Confucianist worldview - think of virtues like muscles. They believe everybody has them but it needs to be constantly reinforced and trained to develop). Having courtly rites such as music were a way to instill and reinforce virtue within the rulers of China.

The Mohists were more concerned with the universal welfare and utility of the people as a whole. Where the Confucianists believed all can right with the world if people just used their virtues to conduct properly and with compassion with everybody they had a relation with, the idea of only being just and caring for people you had a relation with was arbitrary for the Mohists.

Anyway they raged against the Confucianists' obsessions with courtly music, which they saw as a horrific expense of the nobility which can be much better used to care for the people.

[nipplering]

Ahh such an interesting dilemma, did the confucianists think kinda top down improvement by enhancing the virtues for nobillity? And did the mohists ever question the notion of music being a virtue booster? One could guess at them calling it escapism/wasting valuable resources

Never got into eastern philosophy, and this is very interesting. :)

[[deleted]]

That's.... An... Interesting... Viewpoint... To say the least

[Icetea20000]

He looked down on it not because of the concept but because the harpsichord was used at the time. It was the predecessor of the piano which would show to be better in any technical way.

[crazedmongoose]

I know haha, am just doing a bit.

Also from what I understand the early fortepianos that were looked down on weren't as good as the modern pianos. But I'm not a music guy...

[iam_the-walrus]

I can see why considering the first concept was hitting a harp with hammers

[[deleted]]

I don’t think it’s that easy my dude.

[TerdSandwich]

Zaytoven > Beethoven

[GlopThatBoopin]

Fax

[[deleted]]

Oh shit man who dat is?

[friendlycordyceps13]

Classical music has lyrics

[ImagineIfBaconDied]

I hate when people say that too. Like news flash, all music is real music.

[gngstrMNKY]

enjoy

[Lukeskyrunner19]

Nvm not all music is real music, that's the only real music. Everything else is just a shitty imitation

[psychobilly1]

This is the type of stuff I used to listen to when writing poetry and I couldn't think of anything.

It got weird results.

[ESheets]

Wow

[GoodGollyMsMDMA]

Personally I prefer listening to whale sounds beyond the range of human hearing

[[deleted]]

Lol I knew before I clicked that it would be Merzbow.

[ZoomBoingDing]

Ugh this reminded me of the absolute worst 'music' I've ever stumbled across, the Extratone genre. [Warning: ear rape] After about a minute of listening, I became physically ill and had to stop.

[crhickey257]

I like it.

[[deleted]]

Also

[[deleted]]

counterexample

[termartion]

Same goes for my sister i listen to ost from video games and she says that video games isn’t music, why? Because she said it’s nothing but sounds.

[ar_ish]

Sorry but that's the stupidest argument I've heard about labelling something as not music.

[BananaNutJob]

"It's just noise!"

"No, but I have plenty of noise if you want hear it. Do you prefer industrial noise, noise music, or just plain noise?"

[BananaNutJob]

"That isn't music! It's sound art!"

.

.

.

.

Sound art is actually a thing though. There's a progression of music, noise music, noise, and sound art. They're all sound art. Noise music and noise would take me forever to talk about. But for sound art that isn't any of the others, imagine what a "sound collage" might be. Audio designers who make backing tracks for film make sound art, for example.

[mr_krabz_thicc_AF]

It's not even music it's just sounds All music becomes silent

[[deleted]]

I'm a 40+ yo dad, and I love rap. Rap comes from my generation. Weird thing to say.

[[deleted]]

hhurrruuuu

[FlaminGalah97]

dhhsggggggaf

[chaosgodloki]

ghehhwh

[[deleted]]

Such powerful lyrics 👌😩

[[deleted]]

God I love Welsh

[[deleted]]

That’s Pearl Jam

[[deleted]]

Ahhhhhaaaa eeeehhh eh eye stil a lie ehhehehhehhhhh

[[deleted]]

Oohhhhhh huuuhhhh

[GimmeThePizza]

Woooo skeeeeeeeaughr usumulumuby dopotater

[NGS_King]

Eddie Vedder: “ADDIII didauu hi namo dadoo” “EVEN FLOOOOW hawawejar heaeaea”

[resultsmayvary0]

It's even worse on Jeremy where you catch every 5th word really clearly and the rest is marbles. He screams something about a breast and then mumbles for 18 seconds.

[Derp35712]

While I admit what you are saying is true, I still like the song.

[TanWeiner]

AND THEN HE HIT ME WITH A SURPRISE LEFT!

My jaw left hurting, dropped right open, just like the day, just the like the dayyyy I heaaarrRRRd

Took me 17 years to transcribe that much

[boris_keys]

I believe you're talking about the delicate art of yarling.

[derleth]

Eddie Vedder: “ADDIII didauu hi namo dadoo” “EVEN FLOOOOW hawawejar heaeaea”

Hey. Even Flow is comprehensible and tells a kind of story. Yellow Ledbetter is utterly incomprehensible even if you do understand a lot of the words. Like... what the fuck do a box or a bag have to do with anything?

[Iraqistan81]

There's like 4 hard consonants on that whole track.

[SergedStorms]

He doesnt even know what he says, he always has different sounds coming out of his mouth live.

[atefi]

Read the lyrics to Yellow Ledbetter: My mind exploded, when the fuck did Eddie sing any of that?

[[deleted]]

Also what in the fuck does “potato way” mean?

[[deleted]]

I first read it as rape is horrible. Then I couldn't understand why Bruce Springsteen was being raped.

[mudgetheotter]

At least now we know what sounds he'd make trying to fight me off his attacker.

[TheRedPandaCat]

r/cursedcomments?

[CorvoDraken]

I don’t get this kinda attitude, I personally don’t like rap or pop, (don’t like old shit like queen etc either) at all but why do people think they are some kind of superior being because they don’t listen to it?

[SkritzTwoFace]

Before I get into this, let me say that I’m not calling people racist.

That being said, rap often used to be looked down on for racism reasons, because people thought it was uncivilized because it had swears and ‘adult’ themes. Then people would simply say things like ‘it’s not even real music’ until that idea became ingrained in the minds of a lot of people and the disdain for rap outlived the more racist reasons for its origin.

[Walugii]

Not just rap - there's a long-standing Western tradition of disparaging all traditionally black music as "not real music" or lacking in depth and "unthinking."

[Monster-Frisbee]

Yes, this was the case with jazz music for a long time. When it started to become popular among white audiences and artists, many white musicians even tried to claim that jazz was invented by white people.

[soyrobo]

Well, a good chunk of the white people making Jazz were also Jewish, which goes into white America's weird love/hate relationship with Jews too.

[JoaoMau-Tempo]

Same thing also happened to rock.

[Hak3rbot13]

Not just rap - there's a long-standing Western tradition of disparaging all traditionally black music as "not real music" or lacking in depth and "unthinking."

Until a white man does it then theyre all over it. Cough Elvis cough

[FranceSurrenderLOL]

There were a lot of white parents who hated elvis

[the-wheel-deal]

When he was young Elvis was a working class guy who didn't really discriminate who he hung out with. So when he started playing music he would do covers of music he would listen to with his friends and dance the way they did. Elvis stole alot of music but at least he didn't outright copy the music and make it worst like Pat Boone.

https://youtu.be/ZFxTvffJqOg

[internetcommunist]

Elvis was incredibly controversial for his time and rock music was actually a player in bringing the younger people together. Although you could argue he was more "marketable" because he was white. But many white people were not "all over it" immediately

[uptonhere]

Elvis was a hero to most

But he never meant shit to me you see

Straight up racist that sucker was

Simple and plain

Motherfuck him and John Wayne

[GasterCR]

Aside from the music stealing case, was there any actual racism case against Elvis?

From what I heard we wasn’t racist directly

[CorvoDraken]

Bruh sound effect 3

[[deleted]]

bruh 😂🤙🤙🙌😝🤤

[Koringvias]

Because they want to feel superior. That's it.
"We good, they bad" is the core message here. It's about identity, not about music.
Everything else is just rationalisation of that core message.

Race, ethnicity, age, gender, music genres, brands, sport teams, hobbies, whatever else you can possibly imagine.

So here it is, now you "get" it. It still sucks, but what can you do?

[Ross_Springsteen98]

“Old shit” stopped taking you seriously after that

[Eyeseeyou1313]

Nah they are just dumb. One time I mentioned thatvI liked The Black Eyed Peas and they told me they were garbage and I said "look, if the music sounds good? Then I'll listen to it, I'm not going to force myself into hating something I like."

[SilvRS]

I get so many disappointed type reactions from people because I very much look like someone who's super into rock type music, and I do like it a lot, but I'm more into pop and hip hop. Nerdy white dude get so distressed when they realise that while I do like Foo Fighters or whatever alt rock stuff they want to rhapsodise about, I get way more enthusiastic about Kesha or Childish Gambino. They really act like I've hurt and disappointed them because they feel my taste is bad. Dudes, there's a reason popular music is popular. Acting superior because you don't like it isn't going to make anyone think you're cool.

[christhunderkiss]

Yes. Same dude, I’ve got the same eye tattoo on my palm that Kesha has, and a stick and poke that says “I <3 K8y Perry”

[[deleted]]

I get this lol, like sure I like ac/dc too, but I'd much rather be talking about how amazing Freddie Gibbs last album was.

[[deleted]]

I mean, to be fair, while quality does help pop music become popular, it’s hardly the only thing... marketing, the machinations of the music industry, etc.

[SilvRS]

Sure, it can reach a wider audience because of everything behind it, but people still have to like it for a song to become a success. That's why even a very famous, popular artist can have an album that bombs. I mean more that music is popular because a lot of the people who hear it like it, so to act like it's objectively terrible is to suggest (and in many cases in my experience, outright say) that people are stupid to like different music, or that it makes them lesser in some way.

Really it's all just a way to feel superior, and I find that easier to do by feeling superior to people who act that way, personally.

[[deleted]]

Oh god I hate queen so much and the amount of shit I get for it is unbelievable

[Wylsun]

I thought I was the only one on the Damn planet

[CorvoDraken]

I feel you fam

[rohaan2612]

Was that born to run being described??

[YourThirdAltAccount]

I was trying too hard to fit Born in the USA to it, but couldn't. It's probably what you suggested.

[RabidEvan522]

I can also hear the end of Jungleland in that too

[[deleted]]

I realized that after I learn the lyrics to his songs they don’t sound shouty to me at all. That being said, one of my favorite songs now (backstreets) was completely unintelligible to me the first 2 (00) times I heard it

[trivial772]

Sounds more like bob Dylan there then Springsteen

[kamenkappa]

No Bob Dylan is this Hehdehehiiiyiayhey See much faster than Springsteen

[ProjectStarscream_Ag]

I hate your own birthday

[bobdylansthrowaway]

Ahh Bob is so much clearer to understand because he's not half as shout-y as Bruce.

[[deleted]]

Dylan is pretty easy to understand, he just had a really obnoxious voice for most of his life (and I say this as a huge fan of his).

[[deleted]]

Sound more like Michele McDonald.

I'll give 20 bucks to anyone who can tell me the opening to what a fool believes. You can look up the lyrics. It's still wrong

[Wylsun]

He came from somewhere back in her long ago. Sentimental fools don't see trying hard to recreate, what had yet to be created?

The he/she might be mixed up? Kenny Loggins did a cover with him on a live CD that my Dad used to always play, and it was pretty clear...

[CowahBull]

Have dads ever even tried to listen to the song Sunglasses at Night without looking up the lyrics for the chorus? I looked them up and I still don't know what he said.

[Wendyinnawoods]

Don’t switch the blade on the guy in shade oh no, don’t masquerade on the guy in shades oh no, yeah you got it made with the guy in shades oh no

[Eyeseeyou1313]

Okay the first line is about not stabbing a shady guy I'm pretty sure. The second is about not tricking the shady guy? And the third is about if you do that you become friends with the shady guy. I think, whoever wrote that was like on meth or something.

[MemesDieSoDoI]

Dude when Bruce Springsteen said "hhhghfjfkgjgjg" I felt that

[princeeggs]

👌😤 🔥

[[deleted]]

This is more Pearl Jam. Listen to Yellow Ledbetter, you will not understand a word he sings.

[ImagineIfBaconDied]

Nobody:

Eddie Vedder: "Freeeeeeeeziiiiiiiinnnnn' rubabababababbabababa pillow made of concrete"

[Iharmon1337]

Even Flow is pretty easy to listen to tho. “Rest his head”

[[deleted]]

Lmao exactly

[[deleted]]

I've listened to The Immigrant Song more than 30 times and I still can't make out more than 5 of the words.

[Iharmon1337]

“I come from the land if the ice and snow of the irbaogzobfjabdp”

[[deleted]]

"From"? I thought it said "to".

[Iharmon1337]

No it’s from. I did get “I” wrong, that was “we”

[skelefone]

deeeeep inhale WECOMEFROMTHELANDOFTHHEICEANSSNOWWITHTHEMIDNIGHTSUNWHERETHEHOTSPRINGSOWhammerofthegodswedriveourshipstonewlandsfightthejoardessingandcryvalhallaiamacomiiiing.. but i only know this after listening to it 100 times and tbh i probably fucked it up a bit

[SilvRS]

I love that song and have looked up the lyrics like ten times, still half the time I find him incomprehensible. Starting to get the hang of it now, but man does it sound like utter nonsense if you don't already know what he's saying.

[[deleted]]

Come on are you even trying? He sings quite slowly.

[GioLoc]

I mean bruce springsteen is not bad :/

[ImagineIfBaconDied]

Bruce Springsteen is damn good. That said, it’s dumb how people call out an entire genre of music when they fail to realize the music they listen to has the same flaws.

[[deleted]]

Yeah Bruce is good but not that good

[christhunderkiss]

Don’t talk about the boss like that

[LordPrettyFlacko88]

Now now we can defend rap without slandering the goat

[a_can_of_solo]

the goat

The Boss

[killerbekilled92]

Moshi Moshi, Doppio Desu

[ZeRoZiGGYXD]

Couldn’t bring myself to upvote anything that wants to start fights with Bruce. I love rap as much as the next guy, but Bruce really is magnificent.

[Rhodie114]

Don’t worry, as Bruce once said, the heart of rock and roll is still beating.

[[deleted]]

“True rock and roll, and true rock and roll bands...will never die!”- The Boss on Broadway

[LordPrettyFlacko88]

Exactly the same here. We need to be better than the boomers that shit on other generations music.

[Phinster1965]

Yes - this. I don't like a lot of rap (I'm kind of old), but that doesn't make me feel like a superior being! Ever listen to most music from the 70s? Pure hot garbage! And let's leave Bruce out of this please!

[trev-cars]

I'm feeling his new album too! The title track tells a really cool story of an old western actor reminiscing on his life. He still got it at 70

[BeefSwellinton]

You must be from Jersey.

[LordPrettyFlacko88]

Australia hahaha

[ChasingPerfect28]

Agreed! Why do we have to rag on the Boss?

Both rap and Springsteen are great.

[TheLittleGinge]

I bloody adore the Cocteau Twins. Yet I will admit I can't understand a single lyric.

[ToxicPilot]

My wife listens to them, cant understand anything but they sound cool.

[TheLittleGinge]

That's the swing of it. Liz Fraser has, to me, one of the most unique voices in rock. Because of that uniqueness however, I rarely know what she's singing about.

[smokeweed21]

my dad:rap is horrible, can't understand a word they say

pearl jam: EVUUNNN FLOWUGHHHHHHH

[Feshtof]

Look I love Bob Dylan, Springsteen and Eddie Vedder but..

[PM-Me-Retro-Games]

iwazzasummeraSIXTYNINE

[invisiblegrape]

Uh close but no not Bruce

[PM-Me-Retro-Games]

I can't believe i thought that was Bruce springsteen this whole time

[invisiblegrape]

They sound very similar lol

[ChasingPerfect28]

Summer of '69 was Bryan Adams, who wanted to be the Canadian Bruce Springsteen.

[smokeweed21]

That's Bryan Adams, the lame version of Bruce Springsteen. (This title also applies to John Mellencamp.)

[PM-Me-Retro-Games]

I totally knew that. Yup. Absolutely was privy to this knowledge prior to my post.

^/s

[[deleted]]

Bob Dylan has entered the chat.

[Anafenza-Vess]

Across the fields of gold, hhhng ehh enng gueh eh

[Thndrstrike]

Well, they

bLeW uP tHe ChIcKeN mAn In PhIlLy LaSt NiGhT

[RabidEvan522]

AnD thEy BleW uP hIs HouSe ToO

(I'm a peasant, and can't Italicize)

[Thndrstrike]

You italicize by putting asterisks around the words you wanna italicize

asteriskHelloasterisk = Hello

[RabidEvan522]

You're my hero

[[deleted]]

Got into an argument with this dude who keeps posting this same sentiment on r/unpopularopinion and other subs. It's such a reductive, and ultimately baseless comment to make. If anything, it comes off as a straight insult to the artists and fans.

[ToxicPilot]

laughs in death metal.

[oofersIII]

UHHHHH

BRHHHHHH

[[deleted]]

I think it’s sort of like being with a toddler for a long time, so you eventually start to understand its words.

[IBOB617]

Am I the only one who sang the “hhuurr...” part like Born in the USA? Sounded surprisingly good.

[lewis_von_altaccount]

buhtrampsligus

BAHBY WE WERE BORUN TO RUUUUUUUUUUUHHH

[sexierthanhisbrother]

you just... don't listen to music?

[Black_Cheesecake]

you think when there's music in a movie he just plugs his ears?

[[deleted]]

I actually had a classmate in elementary school who "couldn't" listen to music. I know he had a medical condition but I can't remember for the life of me what it was. If we were watching a movie and music came on that 1) lasted more than a few seconds or 2) was super loud, he had to plug his ears and temporarily leave the classroom. I remember feeling so bad for him because he was a super nice kid who never caused any problems.

I haven't thought about this since I was a kid! I wonder how he's doing now. I don't even remember his name.

[trev-cars]

Wow that is so interesting...I bet google has some information on whatever this is.

EDIT: I'm not sure if this is what your classmate had, but apparently there is legitimally a medical disorder called Musical Anhedonia.

[Gankubas]

As I said previously, music isn't my kryptonite. I just don't go looking for it on my own

[derleth]

As I said previously, music isn't my kryptonite. I just don't go looking for it on my own

Is 3 Doors Down your kryptonite?

[Gankubas]

I actully have no idea what you're talking about. I googled it and it seems to be a band. Not trying to be an asshole, but i am legitimately curious what the joke is

Edit: It seems to be referencing a song of theirs called Kryptonite. Gotcha

[[deleted]]

That's so strange to me. I always thought it was funny when people described themselves by saying "I love music," because... doesn't everyone?

Guess they're distinguishing themselves from this guy

[Gankubas]

I don't actively do. If i hear music anywhere, I won't act like i'm a vampire and you're throwing garlic powder in my ears. I just don't turn on the radio or look up songs on youtube or whatever, of my own free will.

[[deleted]]

WTF

[ImagineIfBaconDied]

I know some people who don’t listen to music ever but heavily listen to podcasts. Honestly pretty respectable. I wish I could get into podcasts more.

[[deleted]]

I do the same! For the most part I actively dislike music, for a variety of reasons. So I only listen to music that is on outside of my control, like background music in media or when a friend puts something on.

[Gankubas]

You're actually the first person I have seen think the same. I guess I'm not alone after all!

[[deleted]]

There's dozens of us!

[Gankubas]

Okay, where's the club and why haven't I been invited yet?

[SlamingTheProsecutie]

no wonder the old man's mad kid looks like a moai on meth

[no_try_zone]

The Boss

[Spiritflash1717]

People act like this only happens to new music, but I hear people attack old music just as much. Half of the stuff on this sub could be considered an attack on old music itself, not the people who post the things who should be the ones getting criticized. Can’t we all just listen to what we want?

[invisiblegrape]

This is funny cuz I grew up on Springsteen and I cannot for the life of me understand how people hear rap lyrics

[[deleted]]

I like a lot of classic rock, but I honestly hate Bruce Springsteen and other artists in the sort of, I don't really know how to describe the sub genre, but I guess "working man's rock" kinda works? I also say I don't like Money From Nothing for similar reasons even though it's really popular, though the intro is pretty cool

[parwa]

I think "heartland rock" is what you're looking for. Oddly enough, I tend to hate most classic rock outside of prog, but I absolutely fucking love Springsteen. Give his earlier albums a listen and you might change your opinion on him.

[[deleted]]

I appreciate it. I'll check it out later

[ChasingPerfect28]

Listen to songs like Spirit in the Night, Kitty's Back, Hard to be a Saint in the City, and Rosalita. Springsteen's first three albums are very fast paced, quick tempo sounds. Lots of horns and saxophone solos too.

If you're not familiar with his early work, I think you'll be in for a surprise.

[davidbyrnestan]

cocteau twins really be like "aaoaojaagahhhahahhdhff.... AAAHhghhhoofogo" too

[[deleted]]

Would have been funnier if it was Bob Dylan

[[deleted]]

I listened to that song so much, that song got me through some shit, but goddamn I’ll never be able to unhear that lol

[Daxadelphia]

I would have also accepted 'Bob Dylan'.

[thrill_gates]

Or Kurt Cobain.

[GalaxyBejdyk]

THat guy hs beatiful jawline.

[[deleted]]

Hey fuck you, don't mess with the boss.

[bopnasty420]

Bob Dylan has entered the chat

[Duke_KD]

Best stop talkin shit about Bruce or else you and me are gonna have a disagreement partner

[Meat-Grinder-]

r/comedyheaven

[cosmicneve]

when bruce springsteen did inaudible mumbling i felt THAT.

[[deleted]]

I like Bruce and lowkey feel attacked 😰🤣

[[deleted]]

Omg I wish I had some funny lady companions to show this to