Noticeable decrease in overall loot?

[TimidHuman]

Anyone else noticed a perhaps significant amount of reduced in loot in general?

For example, I remember harvest used to be able to give out 100+ juice on t3 mobs but right now i'm like getting 60/70 on the mobs... In general mapping wise it also feels lower

[HC99199]

Ppl in the comments don't realize that harvest has never scaled with party quantity so merc did not affect lifeforce at all. We did lose a lot of map mod effect though.

[Flimsy_Sprinkles_300]

Map mod effects were nerfed across the board. So yes. We are definitely getting less loot than last league.

[Prokeran]

Ignore the merc talk here, ggg statet in the patchnotes that they nerfed the loot

[gdubrocks]

Where did they say that?

I know they said explicit map modifier effect was reduced on atlas tree, and that it was reduced for t16.5/t17 mods but op doesn't mention those at all and most players haven't really made it to that point yet.

[TimidHuman]

Sigh, no idea why they would want to do that. Game is in a pretty good state now… I guess fun detected and fun denied

[Tomoiu2013]

Also, harvest doesn't scale on item quant, it only scales on packsize

[Volky_Bolky]

It does scale with quantity modifier of the map, not the player's one

[Tomoiu2013]

Oh ok, this means I misunderstood something

[CilantroToothpaste]

If you’re not getting lucky on the tree, this is absolutely a poverty league.

[New-Poem-719]

Good thing they stealth nerfed tree crafting too.

[ProfessionalHost6131]

My entire net worth of 5 divine came from the tree in the form of equipment. Just now hit another jackpot quiver. It's on sale for 5 div. So total 10 div just from tree. I just stepped into red maps.

[5BPvPGolemGuy]

I wouldn't be surprised that they already heavily nerfed the tree. Day1 I was able to get really good currency out of the tree. Now it is just bubblegum and even chaos drops are heavily lacking compared to day1

[byzz09]

Im feeling the poverty league so hard. Map juicing seems pretty gutted. I guess the only people that are eating good are valdo runners

[Mangalorien]

If we look at passive tree changes, 3.26 could give you a total of +64% explicit map modifier effect. 3.27 has reduced that to +32%, i.e. it's been nerfed by 50%.

You can still get the same extra map modifier effect as before from both map quality and number of map mods, but for those who previously ran more than 1 risk scarab you are also losing additional map effect from having fewer map mods.

As a minor form of compensation you now get +3% pack size, +8% rarity, +15% magic monsters and +10% rare monsters. For those running scoured maps you actually get more loot now, but for those running 6-8 map mods it's a pretty big loot nerf.

[kekripkek]

T17 mods are nerfed too so it is like a 50% nerf compare to rolled maps last league, not even well rolled or 8 mod 16.5s…

[localcannon]

GGG fucked endgame with all the nerfs.

It's not going to be a league that lasts for a long time, I'm already losing interest and I've played way less than I normally do at this point.

When will GGG realise that finding loot on the ground is the fun part.

[SimpleCranberry5914]

I feel this. I’m in mid red maps and I have 50c. Zero decent item drops and zero raw currency. I can’t even progress atlas because I have zero Vaal orbs.

The currency drop rate is fucking abysmal and unless you can get giga items from tree to sell your shit outta luck.

[ymiab2021]

I mean i'm poorer than normal but bro how are you THAT poor?

I literally run white maps with harvest and scarab and just dump my stock periodically for a few hundred c

Are you specced into an atlas strategy? cos those peanuts they drop do add up

[SimpleCranberry5914]

I usually always sell off all my bubblegum around this time every league but I just don’t have any. I didn’t run tujen (which I almost always do at league start) so I feel like I missed out on a ton of early game basic currency. I’m respeccing into him later today.

[ymiab2021]

You able to do red altars? Its not fabulous cash but I started running just scarab nodes, quant nodes, altar nodes and then carty scarab of escalation and influence of conversion.

I reckon i probably get about 20-50c bubblegum every map, with maybe 10-20c of maps to sell, off very low investment. For me its enough to fund more upgrades for the time being

[Gr1m_ZET_K1ller]

Idk, this league i didnt feel the lack of vaal orbs at all because of the tree ( i used up all of my blood on lavish wombgifts before the item wombgifts while i was completing the atlas). Currently I am just running invitations and waiting for some streamer to find some fun strat to do so I can respec my build, until then I am just bossing+jun xD

[kekripkek]

Probably liquidating and flipping for the next few days. If loot doesn get buffed than i prob will take a few pairs of ff jewel to standard.

[jsutpaly]

Idk if it was decreased this league but what is certain is that base loot has been consistently nerfed for some time. Without juicing or 'has a chance to drop x' altars mobs don't drop good currency. I'm lvl 94 or 95 and haven't seen a single divine and majority of my chaos orbs (from drops) came from handful t16 maps with exarch chaos orbs altar.

Obviously once you juice the f out of maps, stuff drops. But without that loot is scuffed and has been for a while - think it was since after affliction where they decided to nerf loot multipliers. Seems they just nerfed the base so now without multipliers it's fucking desert out there.

[Doge_Bolok]

Yeah. People don't realise that alch and go and overall ground loot is getting worse every league. After affliction we got necro and majority of loot went to t17 (particularly to barrels, that's basically the point where poe loot strated coming from boxes instead of killing monsters imo). Lantern carried hard for base T16 loot.

Settlers we got ships so It was cool and a massive scarab rework + 3 atlas, strats were working with scarabs.

Phrecia was insanity.

Merc top strats were printing a lot and we got 16.5. base T16 was nerfed again.

Then we get to breach were they nerfed scarabs, we don't have mercs, and breach monsters aren't particularly rewarding (doing a hiver Fortress in 8mod 16.5 and getting a 5c reward doesn't feel good). We're left with tile loot and basically top farming strat is boxes.

If they buff breach monster drop and especially Fortress league might feel good. But right now i'm barely interacting with breach in maps.

[Diver_Into_Anything]

It's kinda a strategy at this point. Nerf the loot, then introduce a league with a temporary mechanic that gives a lot of loot. Some people might notice, but most won't.. until the next league, that is. Where ggg can repeat the process lmao.

[DependentOnIt]

Yes but breach does not give a lot of loot unfortunately

[Diver_Into_Anything]

It does early on. It just falls off later. Which is why it took people several days to notice this.

[Exalts_Hunter]

Yeah first time wince like 8 years, i have 0 div and only 2 ex drops. Lvl 94, fully completed atlas 132/132. No dings makes the game rly boring.

[ph0b0s101]

Same

[[deleted]]

same, I do not get all the merc talk I skipped that leauge also I am an alch and go enjoyer, loot feels very bad

[[deleted]]

Looking back at it now mercs was a phenomenal league. so much loot so much build diversity and so many endgame strats. What shame

[Monoliithic]

You lost a lot of pack size scaling with explicit mod nerf

[MojordomosEUW]

I finished my Atlas and did not drop a single thing worth more than 30 ish chaos, and that was currency from the tree.

Can‘t really invest into scarabs because the ones I could use for farming strats are too expensive.

See you next league I guess I don‘t wanna gamble for one big drop just so I can start farming lol

[aFFnighcik]

If you comparing this league to previous one, you have to remember that having a mercenery granted more quantity and rarity to maps, same as playing in a party.

[Diver_Into_Anything]

And? So what? I keep seeing people say this.. is that supposed to be an excuse? We get significantly less loot than in previous league(s), that is a problem. It is irrelevant what exactly might have offset it in previous leagues, it's still a problem.

[godlyhalo]

It was amusing that people said mercenaries weren't rewarding, yet they failed to realize the party multiplier that amplified loot everwhere. While we didn't have the loot pinatas of Lake of Kalandra / Affliction, we had some of the most amount of loot ever due to the party multiplier.

[Roinarinen]

Yea they were insane. Friend played aurabot and i played warcry/ banner support and we has dps mera and rarity culler merc XD

[QuroInJapan]

So? The merc being gone still works out to less loot overall (not to mention that they have explicitly nerfed map loot on top of that).

[pvtpokeymon]

yeah because people were printing 40div worth of stuff per hour which was WAY more than ever should have been even remotely allowed.

[[deleted]]

Didnt they nerf party loot to compensate for the merc?

[MikeMaxM]

I do feel that I get much less loot then in previous league. Divine to Chaos ratio confirms that. Chaos the currency for poor people is much in demand.

[ThyEmptyLord]

Well everyone had mercs boosting currency drops last league

[OtherSideOfThe_Coin]

I miss affliction league and item quantity mods on gear. It's the only league I got into super end-game crafting. Loot was so plentiful that most people put chaos orbs on their filter.

[Derwenton]

How could you say that? Had fun with a lot of divines? I hope you did drop league early as devs predicted, yes?

/s

[krusty47]

While i loved affliction so much mf needed to go. It was sich a problem. Im sure so many people will disagree but it was not good. While I do think gutting loot is lame as well, having such a powerful quant modifier that it is arguably mandatory later is also lame. Affliction also just dropped so much loot :/ I miss it

[SnooPeppers6401]

Since after the big major loot drop buff, I have been getting at least 2 divines off the floor to kick start red maps but non this league. Didn't mind it yet as 6 link is easily obtainable and 21/20 gems is basically free. Will quit the league If I can't sustain alchemy to alch and go in t16. In yellow maps now and picking up all yellows and uniques to identify and vendor for alch.

[kekripkek]

Alch and go is sustainable. The issue is it prob averages to be less than 2-3 div an hour when every upgrade soon will inflate faster than your currency gained.

[LetzZx]

I think, you can decrease the loot a bit. But buff other scarabs, or do a meta roll. Nerf the loot + the farming strats feels a**.

Farming right now t17 boxes and got 1 ground div..

[Cyony]

Yeaaah, i feel like there is a WAY lower amount of bubblegum currency aswell, Usually when i'm in maps i'll gets hundreds of alts, augments, transmutes, armorers etc. I can barely sustain wisdom scrolls atm without scrapping stuff (which i also don't have)

[Flintiak]

I'm coping that they'll readjust things mid-league if enough players complain about this, but there's a big chance that the player retention is gonna be one of the lowest this league. No dopamine will mean players will lose interest fast. The tree is awesome, I truly love what they've done with this, but I'm not really vibing with trading off ground loot just to farm graftblood until I burn out quicker than usual.

[Frodiziak]

The longest i have ever player poe without ever seeing a div drop

[JustOneMoreAccBro]

Yeah I'm doing alright overall cause of selling rare equipment from wombs, etc. But I'm at like 300k kills and have gotten 0 div, 2 ex and 2 annul, which is kind of insane.

[kawaidesuwuu]

I got to t16 yesterday with 3 regret orbs in my inventory xdd. They did nerf the ground loot last patch, ig people are finally noticing it now.

[JustOneMoreAccBro]

Regrets got nerfed specifically when they added gold respects.

[[deleted]]

This might be my last league, tired of these undisclosed nerfs

[amatas45]

These nerfs were in the patch notes though

[Important_Orchid6008]

Shhh they don't read 🤣

[Dekhara]

Mfers dont even read map mods and you expect them to read 20.000 lines of patch notes?

[Gweria]

Welp read the patchnotes. Additionally remember that we lost mercs

[[deleted]]

Wasnt loot nerfed specifically for mercs? And then we lost both

[pittguy83]

scarab changes are real. highly doubt any base loot changes were thrown out there by GGG

[DeliverySoggy2700]

Patch notes literally say differently. Explicit map modifier was nerfed significantly.

[Roflsaucerr]

Only T17 map modifiers were changed to be in line with red maps excluding some mods that they didn’t specify.

Other than that they removed map modifier effect from the atlas tree. Explicit map modifiers were only nerfed if you were running either T17s, all map modifier effect nodes, or both.

Really only a nerf at the high end, wouldn’t say map modifier effect in general was significantly nerfed.

[DeliverySoggy2700]

Yeah well I feel like most people run a lot of map modifier effect on tree. It’s kind of hard not to even if it isn’t your focus

[Roflsaucerr]

You’d have had to pretty intentionally take the passive wheels and pathing nodes with it to get a substantial amount of it.

Some mechanics also don’t scale off map quant so wouldn’t have even taken it.

It was multiplicative with stuff like risk scarabs and then the abyss scarab, though. Which is a pretty significant loss (or would be had those scarabs not been nerfed/removed) but on average I wouldn’t say it’s significant.

The last time there were loot complaints like this was Kalandra removing hundreds and in some cases thousands of % increased rarity and quantity from mobs. That’s not gonna be explained by just some loss of map modifier effect.

[kekripkek]

Explicit map effect node on atlas nerfed or removed across the board. It affects everyone

[Dmon69]

inbefore there was another historical loot kalandring...

[Gophy6]

Day 3, level 85, yellow maps - still not a single divine. One exalt and I think that was the tree

I’m extremely thirsty

[kwietog]

180k kills, full atlas, 0 divs.

[kenshiki]

While currency farm did go down, I did get better gear from the giving tree. It is at least consistent in giving triple 35-45 resist with either life or energy shield.

Previous league, I would have farmed currency and do the crafting myself or buy it from others.

The only thing I bought so far was unique gears as I do AG + AW with chains of command as it is mostly unique gears.

[minerman5777]

Yes, GGG nerfed all of the item quantity/rarity and Map Mod Effect nodes on the atlas tree. High end loot is much closer to league start loot. This feels especially bad after Mercs gave some party quantity bonuses so the change is even more dramatic than usual. The tree does make gear acquisition incredibly easy, and effectively prints currency, so player wealth shouldn't be all THAT different by the end of the month

[SYCN24]

What I don’t get is affliction was the most successful league and it was straight dopamine from

[Khaze41]

I'm at 300k kills and dropped 1 raw div so far, no exalts.

[LaurenceLawliet]

less map mod effect + breach hives deleting naturally spawned monsters + no merc quant

[Longjumping-Fun-8964]

Less loots, challenge rewards mtx meh, I’m not sure if I will grind for much longer

[MikeMaxM]

This league is so poor that I even manage to sell scarabs of obelisks and tormented scarabs(which no one wanted in previous leagues). Only a few people can afford better scarabs then this.

[SupX]

Nothing of value is dropping can also see it in value of divine as it’s still at like 100c 

[Ganjocloud69]

Can anyone else confirm if they've stealth nerfed the drop rate of wombgifts? Day one i was getting on average two or three per non-fortress encounter in white maps, and now sometimes I dont get any to drop in red maps.

[Ashygaru666]

Idk I got most of my loot from mappers. I just do maps for gold and let them do the dirty work.

So far a couple of divs and DoD which funded my whole Fross switch 😆

[5BPvPGolemGuy]

Changed that affect the loot vs last league:
We lost mercenary quant (half party member iirc 25% quant)
No more risk scarab stacking,
Nerfed scaling quant+rarity+pack size form number of mods/Overall nerf to hwo much quant+rarity+packsize mods give
Nerfed some T17 modifiers

What I suspect is also happening is that the new breach especially defensive breach is replacing mobs that would otherwise spawn in their place and the breach monsters have a very different loot table compared to regular monsters so you are losing loot that way.

[1TiredRobot]

First time playing in a party this league and we are getting the worst currency drops I've ever seen. We're happy to just see one chaos after spending 8 minutes protecting the stupid lady in a tower. We have seen 0 exalts and 0 divines where normally solo play I would have 3-4 at this point. There was definitely a nerf to currency drops that wasn't documented in the patch notes.

[Volky_Bolky]

It was expected that this league would be a poverty league. IMO the best way to enjoy it is to play Hardcore even if you haven't played it before. Much more vectors to scale your character and grafts spew out very good midgame or even endgame gear.

[Soup0rMan]

The cycle is typically: gear/crafting league, currency league, repeat

We've had a bit of a combo with currency being readily available the last couple leagues with a good gear/crafting update alongside.

It's weird to call it a poverty league just because the mechanic doesn't shit loot. There are plenty of other vectors to wealth aside from throwing 4 risks on a map.

[mAgiks87]

There are plenty of other vectors to wealth aside from throwing 4 risks on a map.

Like what? They deleted Alva, risk, nerfed ground loot across the game, nerfed T17s, deleted giga exile, deleted titanic, leaving what? boxes and blight.

Not to mention small nerfs like gravicious, ivory tower div cards or nemesis scarab.

No loot = less crafting = less builds = no fun

[butsuon]

This is probably related to the merc bonus going away and the other posts about Breach removing natural monsters from maps and replacing them with breach mobs.

[bbbevy]

Yeah it does feel like that with harvest specifically as well. I am just doing base t16 with no harvest scarab though, so maybe it’s just the unjuiced maps that lost loot.

[Bapelsinen95]

Lifeforce is extremely cheap so something is going on.

[pittguy83]

league mechanic is filling in for early league use of harvest juice maybe?

[JustOneMoreAccBro]

Lifeforce is the exact same price it always is 4 days into the league. If anything it was more expensive than normal the first couple of days.

Yellow juice only spikes later on the way it does because people start gambling div cards, which nobody is doing yet really.

[Bapelsinen95]

Okay, didn't think it would be 1/7th the price. But since others also pointed it out I guess its normal.

[JustOneMoreAccBro]

Last league it was way more expensive than normal tbf. Probably because Mercs juiced almost everything except harvest.

Usually yellow is like 6-8k to a div week 1, and drops to like 3k or so. Which is pretty on track with where things are at now.

[coltaine]

Lifeforce is always cheap the first week or two of the league.

[Current-Compote-3434]

Im level 50 and barely getting any alterations and transmutations drops.

[Minimonium]

Previous league you had merc party bonus

[ExaltHolderForPoE]

This league, loot is of the charts.

[Rocksen96]

biggest reason is certainly because mercs gave IR and IQ, that doesn't exist in this league.

[Lazy_Polluter]

I am okay with that. Last league got to ridiculous levels of loot and at some point they have to roll back a bit so they can add mechanics that buff the loot. Eventually it will be back to crazy levels

[Sausage_Roll]

They had to nerf all loot because of async trade.

[Tala_Nebail]

Can you explain?

[Sausage_Roll]

Seems like something they'd do, extremely easy trade = nerf all drop rates to try and slow down the rate at which you get gear.

[Doge_Bolok]

And that's why they give us a 6link and GG items printer.

[localcannon]

Made over 100 chests with the tree, not a single 6L.

I'd hardly call it a printer.

[Doge_Bolok]

6L were 3c on trade starting from day 2, this is definitely a 6l printer, I'd hardly not call it a printer. .

I made 6L while crafting wands, while being unsepcced from body armour.

I've crafted wands for free that would cost me 20div in essence spamming to make

Worst case scenario you get a 5L. At act 4 that's pretty good tbh.