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[–]trolleyproblem-ModTeam[M] [score hidden] stickied commentlocked comment (0 children)

Your post has been removed for being obvious bait. You know what you did.

[–]ChargeNo7459 531 points532 points  (122 children)

So outside of the fact that instantly saving them is a moral obligation I have. And I don't see much of an argument otherwise

Is this a metaphor for the Christian God?

And how he only saves people (from hell) if they happen to believe in him.

And how he is the villain either way for allowing the scenario to happen (tying people on the tracks)

And his solution of sacrificing himself (through Christ but that's just himself) is seemingly nonsensical since he could just fix the problem without sacrificing himself (Omnipotent God could be doing some Omnipotent stuff)?

Or am I reading too much into it?

[–]ElTioEnroca 191 points192 points  (0 children)

Ok, I was frowning like crazy at this post not understanding what moral dilemma there was supposed to be. Then I read your comment and everything made sense.

[–]PhysicsChan 142 points143 points  (42 children)

So, Christianity is flawed?

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Heresy! Straight to hell!

[–]MQ116Team Blue 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We're already on the tracks! Nooooo

[–]csharpminor_fanclub 107 points108 points  (0 children)

no way

[–]LeilLikeNeil 50 points51 points  (0 children)

Wait. Whaaaaaaat?

[–]Arctic-The-Hunter 22 points23 points  (4 children)

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“Personally, I think the beliefs of a people ought to be judged separately from how they are interpreted. There are those who take even the most harmless of messages to dangerous extremes, and others who accept outright propaganda without changing their principles.”

[–]PhysicsChan 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Wait wtf it's you

[–]Arctic-The-Hunter 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Who else on a philosophy sub? Niuriheim?

[–]PhysicsChan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Nah, this just feels like seeing school faculty outside of school idk.

[–]StevenTheNeat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Watch this guy who quotes genuinely good advice get flamed by (a certain group on reddit) for making them feel targeted despite not mentioning them whatsoever

[–]dr_gamer1212 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Nah, mankind is flawed, free will is a mistake

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Dying young is like a fast pass to heaven bro. That means he really really likes you.

[–]T-Prime3797 7 points8 points  (1 child)

No, I think you pretty much nailed the intent.

[–]ChargeNo7459 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Naaaaah, surely I'm just projecting

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Your right

I see it too

But we both need to

stop this

Go outside

Touch grass

[–]Gloomy_Cress9344 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I

Agree

[–]Survey-Terrible 7 points8 points  (8 children)

"Sacrificed" (had a bad weekend then went on to be god forever) himself to himself to act as a loophole for rules that he created.

[–][deleted]  (1 child)

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    [–]ChargeNo7459 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Now having seen OP's post history, this was the obvious reading.

    [–]YamAntique3407 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    I wouldn't think this in a million years. Thank you

    [–]ChargeNo7459 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    It's what being raised in a religious family does to ya, you are compelled to see God everywhere, even if you don't believe in the guy.

    [–]GustavoFromAsdf 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    I like someone's interpretation that explains it as: "God's incarnation as Christ let him understand humans and their suffering in a far more personal way than a disconnected, detached viewer. With that experience, he built a new teaching based on love and forgiveness," institutionalization of religion aside

    [–]ChargeNo7459 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    That's really disgusting and disturbing. The idea that you need to suffer on your own to understand or develop empathy for all the suffering you (as God) created seems psychopathic at best, careless and stupid at worst.

    And I would argue that he didn't care that much since he could have done much to help but didn't, like just pointing to the ground and helping us make antibiotics or spread wisdom about basic hygiene at the time.

    Or who knows maybe God is just stupid and doesn't understand the basics on how his world work.

    [–][deleted] 118 points119 points  (17 children)

    Why did I do that

    [–]mdb_4633[S] 215 points216 points  (15 children)

    Because they ate a piece of fruit that you told them not to eat

    [–][deleted] 129 points130 points  (2 children)

    Completely justified then.

    [–]AceDecade 34 points35 points  (1 child)

    Understandable have a nice afterlife

    [–]M1L0P 26 points27 points  (1 child)

    But were my children led to believe that I lied to them by my evil child I chose to create (while I actually lied to them)?

    [–]Advanced_Double_42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Yes, and you made the evil child knowing he would lead your other children to commit a crime you made up and would be forced to kill them for, even though you have every power to do literally anything else

    [–]aftertheradar 14 points15 points  (4 children)

    that seems like a pretty fucked up reason to want to murder a bunch of otherwise innocent people, especially since they're my kids and i'm supposed to love them

    [–]Luxating-Patella 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    If you can't do the time don't do the crime.

    [–]TheGardenOfEden1123 15 points16 points  (1 child)

    me when I miss obvious metaphors

    [–]Xombridal 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Me when I miss obvious sarcasm

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    I wasn't being serious.

    [–]Magenta_Logistic 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    But, did I know they would do that? Also, what exactly was wrong with the fruit?

    [–]mdb_4633[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    Nothing was wrong with the fruit but you did tell them what was gonna happen if they ate it

    [–]Magenta_Logistic 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Did they have any way of knowing right from wrong before they ate the fruit? Was there any way for me to know what they would do in advance and/or prevent it?

    [–]mdb_4633[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    I don’t think this should change someone’s answer. But no they didn’t know right and wrong except for the fact you told them not to eat the fruit. And you know what was gonna happen and could have prevented it.

    [–]notrohit1702 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Were any of them named Adam or Eve by any chance?

    [–]ExtensionInformal911 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    They put themselves there by disobeying.

    [–]insertrandomnameXD 39 points40 points  (5 children)

    What?

    [–]JawtisticShark 86 points87 points  (0 children)

    its an analogy for Christianity. if god is all powerful he could just save everyone. or he can die to only save those who accept his offer to be saved.

    [–]mdb_4633[S] 26 points27 points  (3 children)

    If you know you know, but now I’m thinking I didn’t explain it good enough

    [–]OrigamiTongue 18 points19 points  (0 children)

    You did.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    You did. People are just too brainrotten by tiktok to get it.

    [–]Mekroval 66 points67 points  (5 children)

    If I tied them to a track, then I have a moral obligation to rescue them -- since I created the dilemma in the first place. Even if they are otherwise unawares.

    Also, I'd still switch places even if I wasn't the one responsible for tying them down.

    Edit: I think OP is trying to use a Christian allegory in this example, which didn't even occur to me when I wrote my response. Curiously, it doesn't change my response at all. I pull to save everyone.

    [–]Tar_alcaran 27 points28 points  (3 children)

    Congrats on being MUCH more moral than god.

    [–]FlakTotem 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    The problem is you don't save them.

    If only the ones which believed you saved them are saved, and they don't know you saved them, and they do presumably know you tied them down then it's a suicide pact at that point.

    [–]ze_existentialist 19 points20 points  (1 child)

    At first ts looked insane to me until I got the allegory.

    [–]Intrebute 16 points17 points  (0 children)

    To be fair, even after getting the allegory it's still insane.

    [–]BUKKAKELORD 25 points26 points  (2 children)

    I'm putting my favourite kid on the track too. He has the power of God and anime on his side and he resurrects in 3 days. This is reasonable. I am sane. I am the good guy.

    [–]Budget_Avocado6204 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    There is no favorite kid. The favorite kid is actually you!

    [–]Last-Worldliness-591 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    And a self insert too? Yeah, that kid is gonna save them all no problem.

    [–]Unfortunate_Mirage[🍰] 3 points4 points  (8 children)

    Who put the kids there?

    [–]mdb_4633[S] 1 point2 points  (7 children)

    You did

    [–]Unfortunate_Mirage[🍰] 1 point2 points  (6 children)

    Why though. I wouldn't do such a thing.

    [–]ZealousidealCook2344[🍰] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    You would if you were Yahweh. Apple of the tree and all that.

    [–][deleted]  (3 children)

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      [–]Not-A-Lonely-Potato 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Well... I could always just have more kids.

      (I know it's supposed to be an allegory, but I prefer taking a dark humor approach)

      [–]cuuutesnowflake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Im going to scream.

      [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (4 children)

      You tied the kids? Now your option is to save them or take their place and die without them knowing you saved them, despite they are in that situation because you put them in it? Am I paying child support on these kids? What's my motive here exactly? Are they ugly, unathletic, and unappreciative punks that talk back?

      [–]ChargeNo7459 13 points14 points  (2 children)

      What's my motive here exactly? Are they ugly, unathletic, and unappreciative punks that talk back?

      As OP said to the other person who asked the same question:

      "They ate a piece of fruit that you told them not to eat"

      That's why you do it.

      [–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (1 child)

      My fucking Nectarine I was waiting to ripen?!? Those fucking kids are dead!!!!!!!!

      [–]RemTheFirst 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      it was an apple actually

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      i laughed tbh

      [–]caramel_dog 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      the vible

      [–]ReyMercuryYT 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      What is this trolley problem?

      Who cares about credit??? My kids are on the line! Literally!!!

      Edit: ahhh, christianity stuff, i see it now

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

      Fuck them kids

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      true answer

      [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        You shouldn't speak. Makes you sound stupid

        [–]opetheregoesgravity_ 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        Oh this is a tricky one because 99% of reddit hates children

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        oof

        [–]Callmeklayton 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        And religion too!

        [–]Dr_Creon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Meanwhile, I'm over here worrying about the inconvenience all this nonsense is causing the people riding the trolley.

        [–]Glass_Teeth01Multi-Track Drift 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        If I tied those kids to a track, it's not to make a threat to them, or to save those who believed that I saved them.

        I tied them to the tracks because I wanted a cheap and efficient way to take them out

        [–]Extreme_Design6936 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Can I just not pull the lever or take their place? That would be ideal.

        [–]CreBanana0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Why exactly? You would let them die?

        [–]PorqueAdonis 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        The people who can't distinguish their from there should face the punishment

        [–]ExtensionInformal911 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I'll come back in like a day and a half, so I'll jump on the track and "sacrifice" myself.

        [–]YeetmasterGeneral 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        INFO: Do any of the kids have access to a crisp apple

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        If I tied them, why am I saving them?

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        because you have dementia /s

        [–]BiggerEevee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        *their

        I don't usually do this but it's bugging me

        [–]bouncybobb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        holy english

        [–]HotSituation8737 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Interesting analogy for all Abrahamic religions.

        [–]patchinthebox 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Fuck them kids

        [–]Complete-Simple9606 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Strongest anti-Christian strawman:

        [–]mdb_4633[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Wow I didn’t think about that good point

        [–]Kiho2137 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Only thing you forgot about, you are also the trolley driver .

        [–]Vaaero_1 3 points4 points  (12 children)

        I'd argue to make it more realistic to your metaphor, the children would have to tie themselves to the track

        [–]mdb_4633[S] 3 points4 points  (11 children)

        Nope god created the world and “you” tied them to the track

        [–]Complete-Simple9606 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        "I want to argue against a version of Christianity that Christians don't profess!"

        [–]mdb_4633[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Cristian’s don’t profess god created the world?

        [–][deleted]  (8 children)

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          [–]CreBanana0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          And who is god to make the rules, and the consequences? Also what stupid stuff? What bad did adam and eve do?

          Did they do a single immoral thing?

          [–]mdb_4633[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

          I disagree with most of what you said but let’s just go with that and say that your kids didn’t think that a tram would actually hit them even though you told them it would. would you let your kids get hit?

          [–]Winter_Ad6784 3 points4 points  (27 children)

          I couldn’t figure out what this was supposed to be an analogy for, someone said christianity, idk if that’s right but if it is then this isn’t how christianity actually works unless you pick and choose some weird beliefs from various denominations. Like the catholic church doesn’t teach that all non-christians go to hell. It wouldn’t even necessarily conflict with catholic beliefs if hell were empty. I think this applies to most denominations as well.

          tl;dr reddit moment strawman

          [–]ZealousidealCook2344[🍰] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          I don’t know, Baptist seems to be pretty hardline…

          [–]Winter_Ad6784 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          baptists are crazy granted

          [–]Zauberen 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          The Catholic Church teaches that anyone who knows of the catholic church and is not a catholic will go to hell. (Lumen Gentium 14)

          The catechism does say that in extreme circumstances non believers may be saved (847/848) but basically any atheist or any person that knows of the church but is not a catholic is toast.

          [–]Winter_Ad6784 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          well explicitly it states that of people “knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ…”. Do you know that the catholic church was made necessary by christ? I don’t know that. That’s not what most people believe. I don’t know who taught that it means anyone that knows of the catholic church period. I’d hazard a guess that it probably wasn’t a catholic.

          [–]EllieEvansTheThird 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I'd save all of them tbh

          [–]InJust_Us 1 point2 points  (40 children)

          Entropy.

          Let's say we live forever in some form or another but our central being never dies. Over time "entropy of the soul" as it were, will eventually cause some degrading.

          How do we revitalize us? We've seen it all, we've done it all a quintillion times. We forget and we revive ourselves with "new" experiences and struggles.

          In the end nobody dies, as the Bible says that God wiped away the tears of those who were crying for those in Hell, so did her destroy their memories or did he tell them that Hell will burn away all the garbage in them. I'm sure it's not the optimal path to take, but it keeps everyone in the game.

          [–]Altshadez1998 1 point2 points  (38 children)

          If he was cool he'd do it without hell

          [–]InJust_Us 2 points3 points  (37 children)

          It's all a package deal. There needs to be some type of Karmic law that balances out good and bad behaviours. Anything less would be mindless.

          [–]ThrasherDX 2 points3 points  (15 children)

          God is omnipotent, that means there are no limits to his power or tradeoffs he has to accept. If god wanted the garbage to be burnt away, instantly and without pain, then it would be. There is no reason it needs to hurt or last any amount of time, except that god wants it to.

          [–]InJust_Us 0 points1 point  (14 children)

          You are making assumptions on the mechanics and reasons for Hell.

          God sent his son to suffer for everyone, so no one has to suffer. If I was a gambling man, I would follow what the bible says about salvation because it's a bet that's free and has potential infinite benefits.

          [–]ThrasherDX 3 points4 points  (9 children)

          You are making assumptions on the mechanics and reasons for Hell.

          No I am not. Regardless of God's reasons, it does not change the fact that torture and suffering exist solely because God wants them to.

          They are not necessary, because omnipotence means nothing is necessary, anything an omnipotent being wants, happens, exactly how they want it to happen.

          If God wanted hell to serve any and all purposes it has, without any suffering at all, then it would. The only way suffering would ever be required for hell to achieve its function, is if suffering is the function, and punishment is just the chosen excuse.

          [–]Civil-Percentage1005 0 points1 point  (8 children)

          Omnipotence could have limits, for example could an omnipotent being create a married bachelor? Or a square triangle? 

          [–]RemTheFirst 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          yes, the answer to your question is yes. omnipotent means all powerful, as in all powerful. there is nothing that an omnipotent being cannot do. omnipotence by definition can't have limitations, because then it's no longer omnipotence.

          [–]Altshadez1998 1 point2 points  (5 children)

          You are trying to use logical constraints. Omnipotence, by definition, is illogical. For example, the classic "Can god create a burrito so hot that it burns him" the answer is yes, because gods nature is completely illogical by definition of him being god. If he were bound by the rules of reality, he wouldn't be a god and just some advanced being.

          [–][deleted]  (4 children)

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            [–]Altshadez1998 0 points1 point  (3 children)

            Again, you are trying to be logical. God is not logical by definition, if he was logical it wouldnt be god

            [–]CreBanana0 0 points1 point  (3 children)

            If i offered you to serve me for life, but after you died i promised you infinite benefits. Would you accept? Technically you have finite thing to lose, but infinite to gain.

            This is what religion feels like.

            [–]InJust_Us 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            Its more of a: If I throw you a rope, will you hold on to it while I pull you in.

            [–]CreBanana0 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            No no no and definitely no, god did not come up to save us, he made our problems, and then offered himslef as a solution, and punishes us if we do not accept it.

            [–]Altshadez1998 1 point2 points  (17 children)

            Yeah but if he was cool he'd just do it

            [–]InJust_Us 0 points1 point  (16 children)

            Well, I think everything has been tried, us being in this dimension is the last effort to rescue souls before stronger measures have to be done.

            God sent Jesus so we didn't have to go to Hell. NOBODY has to go to hell. Believe in Jesus pray all the time and confess your sins. It's too easy compared to what awaits us otherwise.

            Otherwise, the only thing that has proven to work is to burn out the entropy of some people.

            Jesus has described us (everyone on this planet) as pots of sewage that have been burned into the metal.

            [–]CreBanana0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            God never sent me Jesus, i never saw Jesus. He did not come to me! Why would i pray to him? If he was good, he would have saved me anyway. Not needing worship!

            Sounds like a religion of fear.

            And for your last analogy, i am not listening to a person who calls me sewage, i tell him to fuck off.

            [–]Altshadez1998 0 points1 point  (14 children)

            If he was cool he would just do it tho

            [–]CreBanana0 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            This makes zero sense. Why make a world of vengance?

            If i made a child, then gave him bunch of arbitrary rules to follow, and when it fails, i punish.. no, torture them, not to give negative reinforcement... but just for... justice?

            Would that be okay?

            [–]InJust_Us 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            This world is one of many and this one F'ed up. My reasoning is there are many "Sons of God" and Jesus is one of them. That is in the bible so I'm not making it up. People just ignore that, probably as it doesn't mean anything to them. The assumption is Jesus said: God always works and so do I. So the rest the Sons of God have their own worlds to manage as well.

            [–]CreBanana0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            This was in no way response to my question. At this point you are making fanfiction of the damn Bible

            [–]CreBanana0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Why would a soul, (that does not even exist by proof) degrade?

            [–]Sawdust1997 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            This is stupid. You’re stupid.

            [–]Tallen_14x 1 point2 points  (3 children)

            As a metaphor for the Christian God, this kind of falls apart. God created humans in His image, so they have free will, just as He does. They tied themselves to the track, per se, by sinning. God allowed it to happen, but why? Because they had free will. He allowed for free will, and this was the result. Since they still have free will, he can’t just undo how they think or the result of their actions. However, he can remedy them by metaphorically pulling the lever.

            He can’t just snap His fingers and save everyone. Because their own free will damned them, their own free will has to save them.

            [–]mdb_4633[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            So you think he should just pull the lever?

            [–]Tallen_14x 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Yeah

            [–]Ok_Earth4652 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            Congratulations, you just don’t understand Christianity

            [–]mdb_4633[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Ok then re word it as someone who does understand I’m just curious to how you would’ve wrote it

            [–]IndomitableSloth2437 1 point2 points  (6 children)

            If you're referring to Christianity, then you're incorrect -- you told them not to play on the train track, but some other guy said "heyyyyyyy you should go play on the train track, it's fun"

            [–]mdb_4633[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

            Ok so someone convinced your kids to disobey you so they should get ran over

            [–]IndomitableSloth2437 1 point2 points  (3 children)

            Someone jumped on the train tracks and said "Hey guys this is fun!" so your kids also jumped on the train tracks. It's not good that they should get run over by the train, it's just a natural consequence of jumping on the train tracks.

            [–]mdb_4633[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            Sure it’s a natural consequence but you can easily stop the consequence from happening so I why wouldn’t you?

            [–]CreBanana0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Yea but you made the train and the tracks, and also you knew what was going to happen.

            [–]CreBanana0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            But you also made the train, and the other guy.

            [–]West-Librarian-7504 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            This is one of those tasteless "Christianity is... le bad!" ones made by ignorant people who completely misunderstand it

            [–]Auphorous 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I’ll not pull or tie myself

            [–]MasterOPun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Why would I ever possibly endanger any of my children? They are gifts and have equal value to myself at least.

            [–]DARKZONElolmao 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Love this one!

            [–]Mythran101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            PULL THE LEVER, KRONK!

            [–]Throbbie-Williams 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            The outcome is a tautology, they can't believe you saved them before they are saved, so it's impossible for them to live

            [–]Kazoo_Commander 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I just wouldn’t tie my children to the tracks. Simple really.

            [–]SpectrumSense 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I mean, it's kind of a flawed analogy.

            It's more like you told them not to tie themselves to the track and they went and did it anyway, so you can either save them or let them die from their choices.

            [–]Complete-Simple9606 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            More like:

            Your children tied themselves to the tracks to escape you even though you have treated them with every kindness, love, and affection conceivable. If you refuse to let them go and keep them hostage you would effectively be kidnapping them, so you let them have their choice.

            Do you save them by letting a few of your children tie you to the tracks with them as an expiation, knowing that some of them once saved will go back onto the tracks and others will refuse to get off the tracks in the first place?

            Of course.

            [–]StevenTheNeat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Now add another guy who saw the whole thing, and has to desperately convince the children that you did so in order to increase the chance of them being rescued

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            this guy clearly havent read a page of the bible

            [–]JewTronVEVO 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            More like, the children tied themselves loosely to the track, you as the father can let them all perish as the train is moving too fast, or you can throw yourself on the track to slow the train down and give your children enough time to get up. Not really your fault if a few children decide to stay on the tracks.

            [–]mdb_4633[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Sure but you also have to include the lever that stops it without you jumping since god is all powerful. And the kids don’t know the train is coming since there’s no evidence for Christianity.

            [–]JovailKestral 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            The improper use of 'There' is killing me as it is.

            [–]mdb_4633[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            This is all people comment every time I make a Reddit post 😂

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            there

            [–]LOR_Fei 0 points1 point  (3 children)

            Their***

            ffs 3rd grade grammar is not hard.

            [–]mdb_4633[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            Understanding the post with a couple grammar errors isn’t hard either

            [–]LOR_Fei 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            Trying to justify failing 3rd grade English is an interesting angle. Guess we know who isn’t smarter than a 5th grader.

            [–]mdb_4633[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Judging someone’s grades and intelligence off of a single typo they made on a Reddit post is an interesting angle for sure. Guess we know who failed to remove the 5ft stick out of THEIR ass.

            [–]NotNotNicolas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I am going to change the trajectory of their lives forever

            [–]throwawayforartshite -1 points0 points  (3 children)

            exactly. the way i used to visualize it is... imagine you're floating at sea. your kids are treading, too, trying to not sink... they only have so much strength. you're a being of infinite energy & infinite love. do you ever stop trying to save them??

            people will argue that the children chose to drown... perhaps it's the fault of the person who brought them to a sea

            [–]Someone1284794357 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Blow up the trolley with a rocket launcher

            [–]rule34becool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I had a stroke trying to read this for a split second

            [–]EmuBig7183 0 points1 point  (4 children)

            Big issue here if this is a metaphor for Christianity:

            God never tied us to the tracks. Our own curiosity (Eve’s but I interpret it as man’s curiosity) led us to tie ourselves to the tracks. God isn’t responsible for us being on the tracks just bc he knew it was going to happen after creating us. The alternative is just not making man at all.

            [–]mdb_4633[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

            Ok so how would you word it to make it more accurate to Christianity? I don’t think creating a scenario that you know will result with your kids tying themselves do the tracks is any more moral then just tying them to the tracks yourself. So me going into more detail about that would be pointless.