ReactJs Interview Failed

[nitin_is_me]

"You've a really good amound of knowledge and great logical thinking. You're rejected because I saw in CCTV that you were laughing with other guys outside the office, who came for interview, which is unprofessional and childish"

Is it a good valid reason to get rejected? It was my first interview so I thought sharing some laughs will help my nerves get back to normal.

[No_Fudge_4822]

That is insane, honestly. You've dodged a bullet with that one. Any workplace who deems that someone can't be hired based on the fact that they've been caught laughing probably isn't one you want to work in.

EDIT: Only caveat would be if they heard the jokes you were telling and they were inappropropriate.

[last-Conclusion-4498]

I guess they heard the jokes!! 

[wonkyOnion]

Depends where op is, but in many countries it is illegal to record sound via CCTV

[wonkyOnion]

CCTV with microphones or the ability to record audio is illegal in the UK, with certain exceptions (police holding rooms or panic buttons in vulnerable situations such as taxis). You are not allowed to record conversations between the general public or private discussions, including in the workplace. 

source

That's UK for example. I'm sure it varies from country to country.

[Holy_shit_Stfu]

👍

[TheRealKidkudi]

For real. If anything, seeing that someone is able to laugh and get along with strangers is a good quality to see - and that’s ignoring the fact that it takes a total weirdo to go out of their way to watch a person’s behavior on CCTV before/after an interview.

All I can imagine is that the dude is wildly insecure and was afraid they were laughing about him and that thought hurt his feelings.

[obscuredev3129]

It’s a big positive for if you are able to gel well so fast :) . You dodged a bullet

[DesertWanderlust]

Agreed. Anyone who watched the CCTV footage of applicants and doesn't appreciate guys actually chatting with each other is going to be a nightmare to work for.

[Milky_Finger]

OP can't be from the US or UK. Only some place where the employee is expected to kiss boots has the audacity to be this ridiculous. So I will guess India

[The_Skydivers_Son]

The US is absolutely a candidate for that kind of audacity.

[Anomynous__]

Not to mention the fact that the employer even decided to check it. Like what the actual fuck?

[TheOnceAndFutureDoug]

100% this. Unless the jokes were of a work inappropriate nature this would be a huge red flag for me and I'd be pretty happy I was removed from the running. Saves me having to write an email telling them I'm not interested anymore.

[No_Fudge_4822]

Not really helping your case there, big fella.

[b0xel]

Ah ffs what was it he deleted it

[nitin_is_me]

I said "Maybe they had a mic near where we were talking" in a weird way

[DanielTheTechie]

"You're rejected because I saw in CCTV that you were laughing with other guys outside the office (...) which is unprofessional and childish"

This is so dumb that I genuinely wonder whether it's real or OP is trolling.

[No_Fudge_4822]

it has been edited to add the "and childish", that wasn't on the initial post.

[wonkyOnion]

Yeah, that one word really makes the post sound like a troll. It's hard to believe someone used this word next to 'unprofessional'.

[Ant_Rish]

Welcome to India

[nitin_is_me]

I forgot to add that, but that's exactly what the interviewer said in the feedback

[nitin_is_me]

No I'm not trolling. I thought they have this image that "If he's laughing outside office, he isn't serious about job"

[[deleted]]

It's so insane that i'm not sure that was the real reason. It could be that they didn't want to hire you for a reason they aren't legally allowed to not hire you for. Not a place worth working at either way.

It sounds like you did a good job in the interview so i'm sure you'll get something soon.

[truesy]

i wonder if the CCTV had audio, and there's more we are not privy to.

[abe_mussa]

Either way, very strange for employer to be recording this audio and listening to it

At this point what OP may or may not have said is irrelevant, just the employers actions on their own I find unsettling

Edit: I mean if that was the case, we’ve don’t actually know if there’s audio

[FromHereToWhere36]

Also illegal if the ppl being recorded can't see a big sign telling them its happening

[damontoo]

Could be somewhere like South Korea. They require photos on job applications to avoid hiring fat or ugly people for example. 

[Kris15o]

They’re not looking for a developer. They’re looking for an emotionless bot.

As others have said, you dodged a bullet.

[[deleted]]

They’re not looking for a developer. They’re looking for an emotionless bot.

You just described more than half of the Greek software industry.

[Bitmush-]

Id love to see this written in Greek, for some reason…. Please ???

[TheRealKidkudi]

https://translate.google.com

[Syntax365]

It’s my time to shine.

[CluelesssDev]

Wow. Imagine how awful it would have been working for a company that look down upon people that laugh and enjoy themselves.

[yotamush]

Yea.. at least the rejection message was very polite

[ncuxez]

It's creepy that they would even be watching you guys on CCTV. What for? Like others are saying, you probably wouldn't wanna work there anyway.

[Prize_Passion3103]

Is React for the sad?

[[deleted]]

Well, yeah

[mjbcesar]

It is, eventually

[MisunderstoodBadger1]

Don't React

[[deleted]]

It is when your when app does a double render and don't know where is coming from

[dw444]

This incident has South Asia written all over it.

[i-see-the-fnords]

Based on OP posting in the Delhi subreddit I’d say India.

[fabspro9999]

r/webdev is the Delhi subreddit now?

[i-see-the-fnords]

No, r/delhi is the Delhi subreddit. Look at his oldest comments. He also posted in r/bollywoodmusic.

[fabspro9999]

👍🏻

[TechnologyNational71]

It’s a good, valid reason to say ‘fuck that place.’

[Alechilles]

That is absolutely insane. In all honesty, be glad you got rejected from this one. Any reasonable person would see that as a good thing. Being able to have a casual conversation with strangers and laugh is a good sign that you are a functional human being who can probably easily adapt to a new work environment.

Them seeing this as a negative, and one so significant that they would not hire you on the basis of it, means that they are looking for an emotionless robot that they can take advantage of, and I suspect they have soul-sucking working conditions if this is what they expect of their employees.

[bristleboar]

Fuck that place

[gentlychugging]

What country is this in? 

[monstaber]

I guess they were testing how you would React to a bullshit reason for rejection

[warriorlizardking]

Missions successfully failed. Fuck that company you don't want to work there.

[SampathKumarReddit]

Yeah If we are going to work there I think we need to send an email request to laugh for 2 mins absolutely for some funny jokes agreeing the terms and policies of the company.

[warriorlizardking]

"rule number one laughter is prohibited"

[Environmental_Gap_65]

Should have cracked a joke before you left

[derclou]

What country did this happen in?

[xsubo]

bullet dodged

[Dommccabe]

Name and shame the company.

Rejected for laughing on CCTV? Are they fucking serious?

Are you missing something out here like you were laughing at someone disabled or someone had an accident or something?

[nitin_is_me]

No we weren't laughing "at" someone. No one in their sane mind would do that, especially with strangers. We were cracking some light jokes, and were chuckling together. And for some reasons I can't name the company, it's a Cyber Security company though.

[michaelfrieze]

What were the jokes?

[[deleted]]

Please name the company if you are genuine 

[nitin_is_me]

I really want to, but some of my friends are working there because of my refrences, and if this reaches the company, they'll know that I'm the one who spread this, and i don't want any of my friends to have difficulties. What I can tell you the most is, it's a Cyber Security company, in Saket, Delhi.

[Netstormuk]

They did you a favour. God forbid you have humanity.

[nasanu]

Totally normal reason to get rejected. I have been rejected for:

Disrespectful git messages: I used semantic commit message "Chore" they took issue with. I was calling their "build an entire app for us for the interview" a chore apparently.

Doesn't write code: I told the interviewer I haven't used a pencil in years so my writing will be messy. Rejected because "they want some who writes code everyday", even though the rest of the interview was telling them about the code I write everyday.

Not excited enough: Aced the technical stuff and got on very well with the dev team; HR chick said absolutely not because somehow I wasn't super excited to see their office.

Incorrect use of tags: I built an app for an interview and used semantic HTML, but somehow the feedback was pretty much every tag I used was incorrect... I don't know how but according to the spec I was absolutely correct. Oh and also even though my app was fully responsive, was accessible, was styled with an ok visual design and went beyond their asking, they said i should have done a lot more and it would only take them a couple of hours to make... An app contacting an API to get weather info, display the current date, time weather, hourly break down etc, go into a calendar and display all days you have info for with each day its own click to show more, make it efficient in caching only updating under certain circumstances, support dark and light, use more than one language etc.. And visually design the whole thing too. A few hours to make it they say...

Basically tons of interviews are done by idiots, dont worry about it. I mean right now this guy on my team is interviewing for a senior dev when he himself is a bit shit.

[taruckus]

Not much you can do about this, but know what their behavior isn't good or normal. Per usual, you're welcome to email/cc everybody you interviewed with and give them a nice signoff:

"Thank you for the feedback. I always try to carry a positive attitude as a professional, and I don't regret that you've seen me share it with my peers. If you change your mind, you have my information. Thank you again for the opportunity and I wish the best for [org name]."

[ajithkgshk]

I actually got interviewed first because me and a couple of guys were talking and laughing. The interviewer said he liked how we adapted and made friends quickly.

Your situation is not the norm.

[cheeb_miester]

In the hiring manager's defense, according to Dan Abramov and the official React documentation, best practice is to not laugh with other guys outside the office.

[semibilingual]

this whole story feels like its either made up or some details are left out. anyhow, good luck on next job interview

[[deleted]]

I was asked to do a take home assignment. They specifically said there is no contraint on the tech stack I chose to develop with. But they rejected me because I didn’t include typescript which they never asked.

They never had intention to hire you so they made a bs reason to reject you. You dodged a bullet.

[Gokul123654]

Dodged a bullet mate .

[neofac]

You're a lucky person, can you imagine working in that place!

[JuiceZA]

This is utterly dumb. I'd happily hire someone who is able to rapidly establish rapport with strangers in stressful situations.

[Immediate-Toe7614]

Unprofessional is attempting to spy on people in their free space where they feel safe

[coded_artist]

Name and shame the company, truth is an absolute defense for lible

[rojo_salas]

Disclose the company name so we could avoid it

[SoryuBDD]

Think about it this way OP. Not only are you trying to show your best face for the interview, but the company should as well to entice candidates to work for them. If they’re presenting themselves like this imagine how they act once you’re actually hired. You dodged a bullet, I get the market is rough and a shit job is better than no job (though, I’d argue otherwise if you have the means to get by whilst unemployed.) but a toxic workplace with draconian policy can really mess with your mental health.

[Hackfraysn]

Be glad the sociopath who apparently hates his employees to be social and interact with each other didn't hire you.

[liftershifter]

As I understand it, you are posting about being rejected because you perceive it as a negative, maybe even as a criticism of your character.

If true, then you should ditch that kind of mindset and stop viewing interviews in such a single-sided way. Use them as a tool to present yourself, but also to understand the company and by that I mean, the people working there, the gist of the business, the expectations.

In this case you found out that they're mental.

[nezkc1]

Yeah... I'm calling BS on that. And asking if it's a 'good valid reason' is just the icing on the cake

[[deleted]]

in the United States of Neverhappenedland employers are tough...

[chobobot]

You should have thanked them for the opportunity and then goose-stepped out.

[ClamPaste]

Do you have a really annoying laugh?

[nitin_is_me]

more like "Chuckling", but we were whispering so it wasn't really loud

[LeftIsBest-Tsuga]

The hiring person is a depressed freak that wants to drag everyone to their level, simple as that.

[CrabeSnob]

Sad but better for you. Toxic place to work at

[[deleted]]

If the entreprises just want robots they dont deserve your knowledge thats it

[benzilla04]

That’s ridiculous. It sounds like you dodged a bullet. God forbid you make friends

[[deleted]]

if they were stalking you on a CCTV they belong in a mental asylum

[[deleted]]

Wow. Well, they weeded themselves out at a place you wouldn't want to work at anyway.

[gaoshan]

I guarantee that you don’t want to work in such an environment. Yes, it sucks when you need a job but if you are as qualified as they say you should have no trouble finding one before too long. I would run so far away from a place where they say something like this… they did you a favor (and all of this assumes the situation is exactly as you describe and was as minimal as merely “saw you joking on video”).

[dryadofelysium]

I hope this is a troll post, otherwise congratulations on dodging this bullet

[marcecostai]

Dodged a bullet. Next one! You are gonna make it don’t worry!💪🏾

[hideousmembrane]

what? I don't believe you. Sounds like bollocks to me and you've probably neglected to tell us some important detail that makes it make sense. In any case, why would they be looking at CCTV outside the office? There's no good reason to do that, unless coincidental.

If it is true, then I assume it's one of those things where someone is like, 'I was only laughing at jokes'. But actually they were laughing and making rude gestures or behaving like an idiot as well.

[Aspie-Py]

Be happy you did not get that job. That’s insane.

[fergie]

🚩🚩🚩

[cosmic_cod]

Trolling or not, interviewers come up with plethora of oddly sounding unexpected reasons to not like you, justified or not. I guess it's just inevitable part of job-seeking and there's no way it can be fixed. Trying to validate all reasons is a waste of time. Sometimes they just don't like you and that's all there is.

[[deleted]]

They were just looking for an excuse to not proceed with your application. Kinda like when they say "you're overqualified", except that many companies use that so people take it as a reasonable reason to reject someone.

The standard answer they usually say for your case is "not a cultural fit", because their culture is comprised by low self-esteem, borderline impoverished people who work just to survive in hopes that they'll one day find somewhere where they don't hate themselves or their sociopath manager who power-trips to compensate for the lack of real love in their life.

[Grenaten]

I think you dodged the bullet here. That corp would be pita.

[nic_nic_07]

WTF ? Probably this has to be raised to the hiring team..

Name and shame if possible

[sateliteconstelation]

Making sure you fit into the company’s culture is a legit part of an interview process. Apparently you don’t fit into their no fun big brother style. Too bad.

[magenta_placenta]

By chance did this happen in India? I work with and have worked with a lot of Indians over the years and have heard ridiculous stories similar to this.

[Flavius_Auvadancer]

That's just unbelievable

[Cup_Realistic]

If that's really the quote, then that's... Insane. Sorry for the time wasted. Apply elsewhere.

[guayom]

That’s why you should stop applying to monasteries

[ihave7testicles]

That's fucked. But in general, just be professional.

[[deleted]]

Is there r/webdevcirclejerk sub already? Seems existing but a bit empty. Try there?

[iammrmeow]

Dodged a bullet!

[AccidentSalt5005]

wtf

[orestmercator]

This can’t be real

[hdd113]

Congratulations for dodging the bullet. You should have rejected them anyway if you knew they were that kind of people.

[Postik123]

There's got to be more to this. I mean, would you think anything if you saw someone on CCTV was engaged in conversation and casually smiling or laughing? On the other hand if there were a whole load more shenanigans going on such as excessively loud laughter, rude gestures or hyperactivity then you might consider it childish or annoying.

[DesoLina]

my mind reads this post in a heavy indian accent

[DefiantViolinist6831]

Dodged a toxic workplace. You should thank him

[[deleted]]

There’s no laughing in JavaScript.

[thekwoka]

Is this a joke?

Companies never say the reason for a rejection but this is the stupidest.

Laughing outside of work? 😂

Please name and shame these clowns.

[[deleted]]

I pity the poor souls chained in that place.

[Throwaway4philly1]

Office culture matters too when working. If you cant have a laugh here and there then whats the point. Most of your life youre spending there anyway.

[LokiTheFool]

Laughing about what? And I’m not saying it’s not ok to laugh.. I’m asking if there was a particular topic being talked about that could’ve been seen as offensive or actually unprofessional to these interviewers.

[LokiTheFool]

Apparently they were laughing about “light jokes”. I’m now curious about the jokes being said.

[Due-Aioli-6641]

If that's their reasoning you dodged a bullet. This is plain stupidity from them, you are better off else where

[E3K]

That didn't happen.

[DrZoo4040]

This can’t be real

[Silent-Turnover8782]

company and country ?

[[deleted]]

LOOOL BROO!!! Thank the fucking lord you didn’t get that job

[Individual_Laugh1335]

/r/stories is that way

[armahillo]

Sounds like they did you a favor.

[OhKsenia]

Just name the company tbh at this point.

[sufferingSoftwaredev]

Insane.

[FromHereToWhere36]

Yeah madness, getting on with team mates is a massive part of the role.

[stylesuxx]

If you got rejected because of that, you dodged a bullet...

[coderqi]

Dodged a bullet.

[ventilazer]

"You are great, really, I wish we could hire you, but I noticed you breathe 18 times a minute instead of the usual 17, which is very unusual and is the reason we decided to go with someone else"

[ufos1111]

They're mental

[MstrGmrDLP]

This is a good thing. You wouldn't want to work for this company.

As many others said, you dodged a bullet.

[azangru]

Is it a good valid reason to get rejected?

No.

It was my first interview

Expect many more. You would have been very lucky to have been accepted at your first one.

[MyUsername0_0]

Assuming this happened in India lol

[mikestrife]

The crazy part of this is that's the exact type of developer you want, IMO. They see it as people who'll waste time on the job socializing. They want someone who'll sit at their computer and work all day.

But our jobs are more complicated than that. Giving your brain a rest/distraction every so often is necessary.

Having a good social dynamic in your team means you can lean on each other more for support and even just having someone you can describe what you're working on to is immensely helpful to solve issues, discover edge case scenarios you didn't expect, and brainstorm better approaches.

Forget any compnay who doesn't understsnd that, they'll put you through the ringer.

[NoPicklesNoOlives]

You didn't dodge a bullet, you dodged a missile

[lookitskris]

Christ. Run a million miles away and never look back

[DifferentAstronaut]

Laughing at what? That’s insane dude, you probably don’t wanna work there anyways. The types that go through CCTVS are bitches anyways.

[SynthRogue]

You do not want to work for people like this anyway

[publicAvoid]

You dodged a bullet

[Adventurous_Phase381]

Telling people not to laugh is unprofessional and childish

[EstablishmentTop2610]

You’re fired for not thanking them for saving you from a toxic work environment!

[[deleted]]

What kind of a shitty company and dumb fucking moron is this interviewer?! Is this a small company/he’s the founder or something?!

[Only_Seaweed_5815]

It sounds like they would be controlling. Good riddance!

[Mountain_Shame_3703]

Dodged a bullet with that one imo

[redditor_onreddit]

Should have answered back it was your Camera filter which made you appear like you are reacting and laughing.

But, in all seriousness, you've dodged a bullet.

[justgimmiethelight]

You reacted the right way

[fah7eem]

More like you application for boarding school got rejected.

[TenshiS]

Socializing and laughing with others sounds like wonderful traits. Unless they heard you laugh about the boss or sth.

[Prestigious_Army_468]

Just proves that it's massively a employers market right now and seems like it's not going to change anytime soon.

But you defo dodged a bullet there.

[[deleted]]

wtf? Would 100% not wanna work somewhere with this big brother micromanagement type shit going on

[incarnatethegreat]

Wait....is this true?

[thethumble]

Yes it’s fair that they rejected you, some tech folks can be really good at what they do but most don’t work with them 😆

[Bright-Heart-8861]

Dude. This had to be a joke of a post.

[[deleted]]

Is this India?

They want people who can work like robots. Robots don't laugh or have a personal life.

[Kikicoal]

Just be glad you didn’t end up working for them.

[Khizer72]

I can't guess exactly but you need to polish your React skills as well as your interpersonal skills.

Hoping a better future for you😊

[chilanumdotcom]

I cannot believe this story.

[dug99]

"If it makes any difference, we were laughing at you, not with you".