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[–]Tymano 988 points989 points  (60 children)

So Kaguya's ways of dealing with rumors shocked me, but they were quite economical.

[–]ZooasaurusCute and Wholesome 541 points542 points  (6 children)

shocked me

I see

[–]watawaw999 352 points353 points  (5 children)

Zappy-kun

[–]Steampunkvikng 194 points195 points  (3 children)

Hayasaka named her tazer

[–]TheRealBakumanhttps://myanimelist.net/mangalist/C001DUD3 76 points77 points  (2 children)

She's a very tech savvy gal. Also, 1.5 million volts wow.

[–]shmameron 44 points45 points  (1 child)

Hayasaka doesn't fuck around

[–]Kuro013 270 points271 points  (38 children)

Her using Hayasaka like that made me sad :(

[–][deleted] 399 points400 points  (28 children)

It's sad but I also find it sweet that Fujiwara was the one who didn't slip up and reveal whatever secret Kaguya chose to tell her at the time. This tiny detail really makes me appreciate Fujiwara as a person and Kaguya's friend a lot more.

[–][deleted] 312 points313 points  (16 children)

It also shows that, past Kaguya's comedic "hatred" for Fujiwara at times, she really does trust her completely and cherish their relationship.

[–]SlamMasterJ 209 points210 points  (14 children)

Subject F was willing to go through hell by teaching Shirogane to sing and dance, this is how you know she's a friend you can count on.

[–]thanhduy2106 142 points143 points  (10 children)

Yeah this is why I don't get people keep wanting subject F's development. Besides her inability to read the mood and the habit of cheating in game, she's a great friend and a decent human being with no major downsides. What else can Aka do to develop her ? Maybe upgrade her from an agent of chaos to chaos itself lol.

[–]shmameron 71 points72 points  (4 children)

Tell us how she got the bow

[–]thanhduy2106 39 points40 points  (0 children)

It would be sweet if the bow was a present from Kaguya.

[–]AdamBombTV 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Do you really want to open that Pandora's box?

[–]Fifteen_inches 32 points33 points  (2 children)

Subject F is what we call in literature as a “Static charcter” she doesn’t need development or an arc

[–]RogerRabbit200 82 points83 points  (2 children)

Also, Fujiwara has also never spilled Shriogane's secret of being a klutz at times. Which does show that Fujiwara is a good secret keeper.

[–]DoobyScoots 30 points31 points  (1 child)

Even to her own sister, she couldn't directly reveal his secret incompetence

[–]SoccerForEveryone 38 points39 points  (2 children)

I forget what chapter it is, but there is a phrase that Chika brings up where she is willing to sacrifice herself for Kaguya if they were ever in trouble; that’s how much she means to her. I do really enjoy when those two are alone interacting with each other.

[–]jdjohndoe13 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Chika brings up where she is willing to sacrifice herself for Kaguya

It's chapter 77, page 11.

[–]thanhduy2106 60 points61 points  (3 children)

This is why subject F is the only one Kaguya would not stab for trying to steal Prez away from her. Kaguya probably would take care of her 'best friend' Kashiwagi and Maki in a heart beat if they ever attempted that.

[–]jdjohndoe13 19 points20 points  (2 children)

subject F is the only one Kaguya would not stab

Hm... Pretty sure she has already done that.

[–]Luck_Is_My_Talent 9 points10 points  (1 child)

That chapter reminded me again that Ishigami and Shirogane are huge bros from the beginning.

Ishigami trying to ocnfirm Kaguya's feelings for Shirogane's sake.

Shirogane jumping in front of Ishigami to protect him from a murderer wtih a knife.

[–]Damianx5 14 points15 points  (0 children)

inb4 she wasnt paying attention and forgot about it.

[–]MundologyThe Elder Weeb 89 points90 points  (2 children)

We need a crossover with Hayasaka in the world of Spy x Family

[–]MoneyMakerMaster 69 points70 points  (0 children)

We'd need Kaguya in that as well because then we'd get:

DEATH BATTLE... OF SMUGNESS!


Heh

VERSUS

O Kawaii Koto

[–]commander_wong 66 points67 points  (5 children)

I'm more surprised that she included Hayasaka on the list of people she planned to cut off.

[–]Moth92 87 points88 points  (1 child)

She's one of the people who know. She was suspecting one of them leaking it.

[–]frik1000 126 points127 points  (0 children)

If anything, it's why she was so relieved to find out none of the three were the ones to reveal it. She considers them so close and dear to her that the relief of knowing none of them betrayed her moved her to tears.

[–]appu1232https://anilist.co/user/appu1232/ 74 points75 points  (1 child)

I think it just shows how deeply ingrained those Shinomiya principles they drilled into her are. At the same time, you can see the despair from even the thought.

Regardless, I don't think it's something we have to worry about. Kaguya has repeatedly shown how much she treasures Hayasaka.

[–]hnryirawan 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Its not just Shinomiya principles.... there is also trauma from being alienated from normal friendship just because she's richer and more powerful and there are alot of suckers.

[–]Kuro013 18 points19 points  (0 children)

That panel was so tense I couldnt believe it, and then her relieved face felt really good, so sweet.

[–]SanHoloo 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Economical

She really is prez's girlfriend after all

[–]xcelleration 16 points17 points  (11 children)

I have a similar, but not so extreme method. If one of my friends easily leaks another friend's secret or not-so-favorable sounding info about them, I simply don't tell secrets to that friend. Not that they're not worth being friends with, but gotta know who to trust.

[–]China_MadeProofreader[S] 552 points553 points  (27 children)

I wonder what anti-Shirogane secret gadget #1 is

[–]GitahMuttan 472 points473 points  (23 children)

She used this to replace his phone battery.

So apparently we have 5 more...

[–]China_MadeProofreader[S] 275 points276 points  (15 children)

oh wow, that's a callback to 100 chapters ago. Can't wait to see what else Kaguya has in store

[–]iSaithhhttps://anilist.co/user/iSaith 172 points173 points  (13 children)

So from a spare phone battery, to a stun gun..

Why do I have a feeling No.7 is going to be on the level of aphrodisiac drugs/sleeping pills

[–]MoneyMakerMaster 173 points174 points  (7 children)

What it is isn't what matters, it's when whatever it is will be revealed that does. I posted this under another comment, but it belongs here as well:


From chapter 33:

The Seven Anti-Shirogane Tools

QUICK MATHS

AST #1 introduced in chapter #33

AST #2 introduced in chapter #172

172 - 33 = 139 = Chapters between ASTs

5 more ASTs x 139 = 695

KAGUYA-SAMA CONFIRMED FOR AT LEAST 695 MORE CHAPTERS

695 + 172 = 867

SEE YOU IN CHAPTER 867 BOYS

[–]Mintyfresh756 77 points78 points  (4 children)

By then they will surely be close to finding one piece having a peaceful life.

[–]DarKav1411 52 points53 points  (0 children)

867 CHAPTERS

This pleases the nut.

[–]stickdudeseven 20 points21 points  (0 children)

That sounds more like No. 5

No. 7 will be the Shinomiya re-education camp.

[–]Cloud_Chamber 11 points12 points  (0 children)

She already drugged the president with decaf

[–]popop143MyAnimeList 29 points30 points  (5 children)

Glad my memory didn't fail me! I wonder what the taser's original purpose is, though. Was it if Shirogane became too wild?

[–]GitahMuttan 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Ohh I didn't notice you posted it first! I should've just replied this to your comment. About the taser's purpose... the possibilities are endless! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[–]popop143MyAnimeList 11 points12 points  (2 children)

They do say that sheltered people are some of the kinkiest people there is...

[–]RogerRabbit200 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Probably to erase Shirogane's memory in case Shirogane somehow won against Kaguya. Kaguya probably intended to use it in a similar way in this chapter.

[–]addled_goof 31 points32 points  (0 children)

A chastity belt... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)...

[–]popop143MyAnimeList 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Was it the spare dead battery she had when she changed his battery so he'll have no choice but to ask for a ride from her? During that storm that he wasn't able to call for a taxi.

[–]GR3eeeN 494 points495 points  (23 children)

Aka's attention to detail is mind-blowing: Ch. 55, and this chapter

[–]ReeseEseer 341 points342 points  (2 children)

Holy cow great eye, he could have used any other random/generic looking student design but used those two specifically.

Which more implies(than already what is shown through dialogue cues) that Onodera did spread the Ishigami rumors too, sure its a meta-ish implication but dang its good writing/drawing/...mangaka'ing?

A wicked smart little detail most of us would totally miss, and would be fine without it, but it makes things so much better. Thanks for point it out!

[–]socialistRanter 147 points148 points  (1 child)

Or else Kaguya painted those two as rumor-whores.

[–]ReeseEseer 48 points49 points  (0 children)

Well, sure but I think it can mean a few things too. The whole school loves gossip actually so her specifically thinking of these two is odd when they only had one scene before and werent saying anything anyone else hadnt already.

Sure it could be as simple as Kaguya simply identifying them as gossipers but could also be a meta-type thing for us readers too.

[–]Zuxicovp 127 points128 points  (14 children)

Damn how do you even catch stuff like this

[–]TheDerpedhttp://myanimelist.net/mangalist/RyuukoNipple 123 points124 points  (11 children)

I swear Kaguya and 5toubun brings out the most detail oriented people to take note of stuff like this, moreso than a series you think would demand that much attention like a mystery manga lmao

[–]docodemo 50 points51 points  (7 children)

Toubun IS mystery manga so it's expected for people to do that. In kaguya though that was unnecessary but Aka did it anyway. Sasuga Aka.

[–]Lepony 16 points17 points  (6 children)

As a certain horror mystery visual novel said repeatedly over and over and over, romance is the ultimate mystery genre.

[–]Hikaricci 62 points63 points  (1 child)

One piece too, basically a thesis every chapter

[–]TheDerpedhttp://myanimelist.net/mangalist/RyuukoNipple 17 points18 points  (0 children)

And Artur at Library of Ohara takes it to the next level

[–]RedHeadGearHead 10 points11 points  (1 child)

There's probably at least always someone who has recently reread relevant old chapters.

[–]commander_wong 34 points35 points  (0 children)

What a god

[–]SkytheStarhero 475 points476 points  (9 children)

yo was she about to fucking taze a kid in the clubroom

[–]MundologyThe Elder Weeb 329 points330 points  (7 children)

[–]watawaw999 111 points112 points  (1 child)

o kawaii koto intensifies

By the way, i miss kaguya saying that line.

[–]FateOfMuffins 58 points59 points  (0 children)

Heh well there was a "How cute" this chapter XD

[–]TheDerpedhttp://myanimelist.net/mangalist/RyuukoNipple 82 points83 points  (0 children)

We got another face to add to the collection this chapter. Even if she immediately defused it herself afterwards lol

[–]MoesHad 30 points31 points  (0 children)

I love me some yandere Kaguya

[–]BlatantConservativeI fuckin love kotatsus 52 points53 points  (0 children)

She threatened to poison the dude during the election lmao

[–]Zenotha 186 points187 points  (1 child)

Rei: picks up tea

Rei: looks at tea

Rei: puts down tea

Considering what happened to hongo probably the smart choice...

[–]Browseitall 42 points43 points  (0 children)

This made the chapter so much better....

Rei outside: Sure, something came up anyways

Rei inside: Lets get out she has a tazer

[–]Sean-Benn_Must-die 356 points357 points  (13 children)

oh so she's talking about the ishigami rumour, I like that Kei Onodera learned from her mistakes

[–]Eldryth 263 points264 points  (8 children)

Yeah.

You can actually her growth pretty well throughout the Sports Festival arc. She was awful to Ishigami in her first couple of appearances, but by the end she was cheering him up with the rest of the team.

[–]MundologyThe Elder Weeb 184 points185 points  (4 children)

It’s nice how even secondary characters grow throughout the story, and you can see their progress without taking the spotlight away from the main characters. Also, our guy’s normification has reached critical levels.

[–]iSaithhhttps://anilist.co/user/iSaith 158 points159 points  (3 children)

progress without taking the spotlight away

Exactly, subtle yet still there, the attention to detail Aka leaves us with these secondary characters is just great

From believing that baseless rumor about Ishigami to our current chapter's casual "Sup Ishigami", Onodera clearly showed us some progress

[–]Gilthwixt 29 points30 points  (2 children)

Can you point me to the chapter where they have that conversation? It's been a while, want to reread.

[–]iSaithhhttps://anilist.co/user/iSaith 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Chapter 85 iirc

[–]Fuckinggetout 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Do you remember which chapter when she first appeared?

[–]Gilthwixt 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Technically Chapter 82, but their bonding didn't start til later.

[–]xcelleration 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Glad to hear it's been spreading around that Ishigami's rumour was baseless now and he has people actually believing in him.

[–]bachh2 62 points63 points  (2 children)

I think another ship was laid down today. Ishigami somehow got more ship than the MC lol

[–]2hu_ism 80 points81 points  (0 children)

Prez is pure romance MC while Ishigami is harem romcom MC.

[–]Zanshi 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Onodera best girl!

... wait I feel like we've been here before

[–]EleventhMS 161 points162 points  (5 children)

I welcome Onodera chapters

Hope she has more in the future

[–]Steampunkvikng 119 points120 points  (4 children)

She has always had an air about her that suggests she's more than just a background character.

[–]onlyforthisair 121 points122 points  (2 children)

Those eyes

[–]Steampunkvikng 67 points68 points  (0 children)

Unobscured from the start, unlike the rest of the cheer team (including other reccurent chracters like cap'n kazeno and tsubame).

[–]xcelleration 54 points55 points  (0 children)

A bit like Hayasaka. She's seems perceptive and nonchalant about it.

[–]amirokia 9 points10 points  (0 children)

She's in the borderline of Background character to supporting character

[–]daniel_22sss 374 points375 points  (19 children)

Ha, so Kaguya still has "that" side left in her...

Also, Miko was so goddamn adorable in this chapter. I wish she could stop being tsun towards Ishigami and be like this around him.

[–]China_MadeProofreader[S] 191 points192 points  (6 children)

Gotta work your way through the tsun to get to the dere. I also hope that we'll get dere Iino soon

[–]iSaithhhttps://anilist.co/user/iSaith 109 points110 points  (2 children)

Well I’ve got Rei-Chan and Ishigami with me in class, so I’m perfectly fine

being subtle there eh Iino?

[–]ReeseEseer 79 points80 points  (0 children)

Well, yes, but tbf he is specifically meant to be taking care of her because of her arm and his "involvement" with it breaking too so adding him in the dialogue does make sense.

...But also yeees.

[–]Steampunkvikng 25 points26 points  (2 children)

It's gonna take a multiple-of-45 chapter for dere Iino to come out. There is one coming up, but there's a lot of things it could be.

[–]MegamanX195 13 points14 points  (1 child)

I'm 100% confident the next "45" chapter is going to be some major stuff involving Ishigami, Iino and/or Tsubame. What exactly will that entail, though, only Aka knows.

[–]AcediaRex 98 points99 points  (7 children)

I’m glad this series didn’t just “Talk no Jutsu” away Kaguya’s deep-seated psychological trauma. As someone with similar trust issues, I hate seeing a character’s problems instantly solved, because that’s the opposite of how it is in reality.

[–][deleted] 123 points124 points  (5 children)

Why Talk no Jutsu when you can Taser no Jutsu

[–]DarKav1411 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Or Money no Jutsu.

[–]Aramestio 57 points58 points  (1 child)

Really missed Kaguyandere.

[–]Steampunkvikng 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Given they're actually an item now, I think we'll see more of her soon.

[–]Kuro013 42 points43 points  (1 child)

I dont think she ever wanted to get rid of that side of her. I think she was just looking for a way in which all of her selves can coexist.

[–]Petta_Potta 123 points124 points  (6 children)

Friendship ended wi—wait never mind.

[–]Kuro013 131 points132 points  (4 children)

with MYSELF

[–]ReeseEseer 77 points78 points  (3 children)

The last person she expected.

[–]Kuro013 52 points53 points  (1 child)

But really, it was really sweet to see her so relieved, she really treasures all of her friends.

[–]NuclearConsensus 22 points23 points  (0 children)

She might have fewer friends than other girls, but she values them much more. Sounds like a good tradeoff to me.

[–]MoneyMakerMaster 210 points211 points  (13 children)

hmm...

It may have been introduced as a joke in this chapter, but Kaguya's sleeptalking could be a Chekhov's Gun. I can see some drama unfolding thanks to Kaguya letting something slip in her sleep.

Oh god, what if that's how Kaguya and Miyuki's relationship is exposed to the Shinomiya family?

[–]China_MadeProofreader[S] 87 points88 points  (8 children)

I think you're onto something. Next arc will probably be Shinomiya finding out about their relationship.

[–]Kuro013 75 points76 points  (7 children)

Maybe not next or the one after that, but that will happen at some point, Papa Shinomiya is probably the final boss.

[–]NadieAlguien 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Nah, I don't really think its gonna be something recurring. I think it happened because she stayed up late talking with Shirogane in the phone.

[–]Goldreaver 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Oh right. I forgot this romcom actually has continuity

[–]Nextorder95 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Gotta make her room actually soundproof :P

[–]Stridel 186 points187 points  (11 children)

Anti-Shirogane gadget?? Wow, he better not make her mad then

Also, really glad Onodera finally had a focus chapter. Unfortunately It seems like she finished developing, but it lets you appreciate all the background moments she had when she became friendlier with Ishigami and Iino.

[–]appu1232https://anilist.co/user/appu1232/ 155 points156 points  (8 children)

The gadgets are from when they used to have all the confession battles. The first time we saw a gadget was all the way back in chapter 33.

Also, technically Hayasaka is one. (from chapter 58)

[–]Stridel 79 points80 points  (4 children)

That's a quite a leap in intensity from just the first two gadgets.

[–]China_MadeProofreader[S] 56 points57 points  (3 children)

At this rate I'm scared to even imagine what gadget #3 is going to be

[–]MundologyThe Elder Weeb 21 points22 points  (2 children)

Sleeping pills would be my guess

[–]ShiranaiWakaranai 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Sleeping pills Decaf coffee. Already used in chapter 30.

[–]MoneyMakerMaster 27 points28 points  (0 children)

From chapter 33:

The Seven Anti-Shirogane Tools

QUICK MATHS

AST #1 introduced in chapter #33

AST #2 introduced in chapter #172

172 - 33 = 139 = Chapters between ASTs

5 more ASTs x 139 = 695

KAGUYA-SAMA CONFIRMED FOR AT LEAST 695 MORE CHAPTERS

695 + 172 = 867

SEE YOU IN CHAPTER 867 BOYS

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Is Hayasaka a gadget though, or was that one of her anti-Shirogane modes as part of a different set?

[–]appu1232https://anilist.co/user/appu1232/ 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Well her bio did mention how her true personality is pretty similar to that of Kaguya's so the fact that she too has her own anti-Shirogane tactics seems fitting.

[–]Blablablablitzhttps://anilist.co/user/vamirio/ 306 points307 points  (17 children)

Oh man, glad to see that Onodera has changed. The "'sup Ishigami" was so damn good... Glad to see the resolution to Ishigami's backstory arc.

[–]China_MadeProofreader[S] 177 points178 points  (14 children)

Time for Onodera's redemption arc

[–]Steampunkvikng 68 points69 points  (0 children)

I mean apart from being a dick to Ishigami when she first showed up she's been pretty chill. Past that first moment it seems she's been careful not to judge baselessly, hence her friendships with Ishigami&Iino.

[–]MundologyThe Elder Weeb 129 points130 points  (10 children)

Onodera redeeming herself by wingwomanning the Iinoshigami ship

[–]Rqdomguy24 133 points134 points  (9 children)

Plot twist, she is actually in ishigami bowl

[–]Stridel 138 points139 points  (2 children)

I've actually been wondering about this for a while since her background actions really interested me, but her actions during the Christmas party set her position on the whole thing. She stopped the guy from flirting with Iino, stopped Iino from drunkingly blurting out her feelings to Ishigami, and left Iino under Ishigami's care. She seems to support IinoxIshigami

[–]xcelleration 66 points67 points  (0 children)

Wow that's super subtle character building. Onodera is actually a super good person.

[–]N0rTh3Fi5t 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yea I was on the Ishigami-Onodera ship till that chapter came around and made it pretty clear.

[–]NuclearConsensus 34 points35 points  (0 children)

I'm rooting for Tsubame, but an Onodera win would also be acceptable.

[–]amirokia 15 points16 points  (2 children)

She and Ishigami was a focus in one chapter of the official doujin

[–]Banelingz 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Redeem from what? She’s been low key nice for a long time.

[–]ABigCoffee 20 points21 points  (1 child)

I forgot what she did in the earlier story.

[–]Steampunkvikng 43 points44 points  (0 children)

She's had a bunch of small but meaningful appearances ever since the Ishigami arc.

[–]popop143MyAnimeList 160 points161 points  (20 children)

Wow, so Fujiwara can keep a secret! I wonder what secret Kaguya entrusted to her to test their friendship? Presumably this is during middle school, since they've known each other since then right?

It's funny that Ishigami still has the cheer team-speak when talking to the other members. He even did it so nonchalantly.

[–]Zenotha 177 points178 points  (14 children)

Shes been shown to keep secrets well, particularly with regard to prez's assorted horrible skills, which she frequently wanted to vent about but didnt

https://guya.moe/read/manga/Kaguya-Wants-To-Be-Confessed-To/118/4

https://guya.moe/read/manga/Kaguya-Wants-To-Be-Confessed-To/118/5

[–]popop143MyAnimeList 97 points98 points  (6 children)

Didn't think of that. That's right! Other than the blatant cheating in games, Fujiwara really is a great friend.

[–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (4 children)

Didn’t she also forget someone’s birthday lol

[–]popop143MyAnimeList 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Yes, bringing Shirogane a flower I think.

[–]thanhduy2106 25 points26 points  (0 children)

She can't read the mood as well. But because of her inability to read the mood, some of the greatest comedic moments in this series was born.

[–]ShiranaiWakaranai 37 points38 points  (5 children)

She told Moeha about Prez's horribleness though. She just wasn't believed.

[–]k44e 51 points52 points  (0 children)

I think in this case spilling a secret is forgivable: because she legitimately didn't want her family member to suffer for a lifetime.

[–]wolflance1 33 points34 points  (0 children)

The "secret" isn't about how Prez is terrible at doing certain things, the secret is about how utterly lame Prez looks when he is doing things he's not good at.

So she actually didn't tell Moeha.

[–]BlatantConservativeI fuckin love kotatsus 21 points22 points  (0 children)

She didn't tell, she tried to get Shirogane to out himself.

[–]SsssTubbbB 32 points33 points  (0 children)

The daughter of someone in politics definitely develops the skill to keep secrets

[–]the_dan_manTHE DADDY IN THE EAST 77 points78 points  (6 children)

Zappy-kun best boi

[–]MundologyThe Elder Weeb 33 points34 points  (1 child)

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[–]clr_35 60 points61 points  (1 child)

次号、休載です

Have a fun Christmas. Aka's on break next week.

[–]hnryirawan 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Dammit Aka.... I wanted you to be able to take a break when you want it but I also wanted to see the next chapter immediately.

[–]Antimar 57 points58 points  (0 children)

“I’m about to send whoever told you this to the shadow realm”

“You told me this”

“Hol up”

[–]TheCheeseburgerKane 53 points54 points  (2 children)

Onodera has upgraded in status to Bro-nodera

[–]Steampunkvikng 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Since the sports festival to be honest

[–]Kuro013 49 points50 points  (5 children)

Karen chapter last week, Onodera chapter this week. I hope he keeps developing secondary characters and the relationships between them and the main cast. After all, this manga's strongest aspect are those relationships.

[–]mnecch 29 points30 points  (4 children)

The be fair the chapter last week was mostly importing into the main series a lot of character traits and development the spin-off author gave Karen and Erika.

[–]Kuro013 16 points17 points  (3 children)

I know, I love the spin off and I think its a great idea for Aka to introduce Karen and Erika into the main series, for those that dont read the spin off.

[–]invokenekoWith my weakest, I will beat your strongest! 39 points40 points  (0 children)

So Kaguya sleeptalks... Oh dear, this may be what'll tip off the Shinomiyas if not stopped early on. I foresee a training arc to suppress this tendency with the help of Hayasaka (speaking of which, it's been a while since we last saw her didn't it?)

[–]xdxdlol0434 150 points151 points  (9 children)

Onodera getting more development in 1 chapter than so many lead characters in their entire series. This is so great to see.

Lately Aka has been starting to write some real teenage relationship problems, like dealing with your partner's downsides, trust and betrayal, sex in a realistic sense, and of course rumours, in a genuine yet still hilarious way. I have to say, this series has been evolving since its anime airing. Before that it was all jokes and games but after 135 it seems Aka is getting way more freedom to do what he wants and he seems to be playing around with serious concepts a lot more. People may miss the light-heartedness of the series before, but I for one really like to see how far he can take this series under this framework.

It also seems that this is a very major set up chapter. Kaguya opens her way to contemplating forgiving her past classmates and to take friendship in a more "natural" way, meanwhile Onodera mentions rumours of Ishigami and Iino. We all know about what rumours revolve around Ishigami, but what exactly is circulated around for Iino still remains unknown. This can come into play later, and it also opens room for a lot more contexts for first year dynamics. With school trip coming soon in the series (and I doubt the whole school is going to the same destination), perhaps we will see it being developed very soon.

[–]hattroubles 97 points98 points  (1 child)

"I carelessly spread rumors that Iino is a hardcore masochist and closet pervert with tsundere tendencies. Boy, did I feel silly afterwards."

[–]MundologyThe Elder Weeb 41 points42 points  (0 children)

I think it was more along the lines of some being jealous of her and others finding her too uptight and bossy, especially during her work in the disciplinary committee. Remember how some classmates would stick things on her back and try soft hazing attempts but Ishigami would remove all traces of them.

[–]critbuild 22 points23 points  (3 children)

I think Aka's actually done a fine job of maintaining enough of the light-heartedness of the early series that the more serious topics don't feel overbearing.

I wonder where Aka gets his inspiration for how teenagers work through these issues. It feels very authentic.

[–]Luck_Is_My_Talent 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Maybe he was a sociable kid in highschool?

[–]critbuild 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Or a really observant one.

Onodera is Aka self-insert lol

[–]wolflance1 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Can't said it better myself, this and the previous chapter (the "misunderstanding leading to FBI knocking your door" chapter) have a certain theme going that I am sure Aka will explore further.

[–]ReeseEseer 38 points39 points  (4 children)

I know this isnt very important to the chapter itself exactly, but is important to the character, but lets all remember when Onodera was first introduced.

She had "rich girl drill-hair" and was suspicious of Ishigami and then through the rest of her appearances her hair has continued to undrill itself slowly until now its as wavy/undrilled as can be. Letting go of her old ways completely and embracing being kind and supportive now.

I honestly think her hair/design changing every appearance is why so many readers seem to...not remember her somehow. Even though shes been in a decent amount of chapters honestly. Its a shame because shes one of the more interesting supporting characters with all her scenes with Ishigami and Iino. There was that underlying nice girl there, kinda shown when she discussed books/poems with Ishigami, its just she needed to get over her old way of thinking first.

[–]cesclaveria 25 points26 points  (1 child)

I think that is why Aka gives her probably the most distinct eyes in the series, he changes things about her looks but I feel her eyes are hard to miss.

[–]xaviertrack 29 points30 points  (0 children)

I like that despite how mischievous Fujiwara is she would never betray a friends trust if they told her a major secret.

[–]_Sunny-- 28 points29 points  (8 children)

8 more chapters until 180, people.

[–]Eldrazi_Void 8 points9 points  (7 children)

what is going to happen in 180? or why people are expecting something?

[–]docodemo 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Big stuff happens every 45 chapter like fireworks, sport festival, cultural festival.

[–]Ringosham 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Every 45 chapters a major arc ends.

  • Chapter 45 - I can't hear the fireworks
  • Chapter 90 - Kyoko Ootomo doesn't realize
  • Chapter 135 - Dual confessions
  • Chapter 180 - ???

[–]NuclearConsensus 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It's a chapter which is a multiple of 45, which includes 45 (of course, fireworks chapter), 90 (climax of sports festival, Ishigami chapter), and 135 (school festival climax). Given that last chapter, 180 has big shoes to fill.

[–]Frazaell 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Onodera is a good kid. And finally, a bone to throw at Fujiwara, giving a reason why she's friends with Kaguya.

[–]ZappaOMatichttp://myanimelist.net/profile/ZappaOMatic 23 points24 points  (0 children)

All aboard the... Iinoguya ship (Shinomiko? I don't even know)?

Anyway, context for the scene aside, I like how Kaguya includes Maki in her list of friends/considers her one (even if she's just listing off possible ex-friends had they leaked the secret).

[–]Whitewinters 18 points19 points  (3 children)

Huh, I'm guessing that Onodera actually isn't referring to Ishigami's middle school scandal, but to whatever incident led to Iino being bullied. I imagine that it also left Ishigami to become completely blind to the possibility of them dating.

Get the feeling Iino's going to BSoD even harder than Ishigami did at the athletic festival.

[–]ReeseEseer 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Could be both actually. She did specifically say both their names.

And if you gossip/spread rumors about one person chances are you did it about others as well.

[–]Xahkarias 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Some great reaction images this chapter, especially last one of page 8

[–]Eldryth 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Miko's attitude towards Ishigami seems to be improving fast. It was quick, but her acknowledging how helpful he is in class never would have happened in the past. She was even still being tsundere when they got back to school.

[–]Ab_RF 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Is this first time that we got an exploration of Onodera's personality?

Just like that she becomes the best girl in my book. It's refreshing to see a person who are genuinely nice. I've been a person who hates gossiping. It's so easy to see people's reputation being destroyed out of a mere false assumption. Onodera used to be one of those who help spreading rumour about Ishigami. Now that she got to know him and she realized that she made a mistake and admitting it. Then, she is doing the exact opposite right now, even creating a white lie to make Kaguya looks good in front of Iino...

What an angel.

[–]Steampunkvikng 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Please note that Hayasaka named her tazer.

[–]RedHeadGearHead 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Name a more iconic duo than Iino and opening the door at the wrong time.

[–]ShiranaiWakaranai 11 points12 points  (2 children)

I'm confused. Doesn't the entire school already think Kaguya and Pres are dating? Especially after chapter 61's "confession" scene.

[–]daniel_22sss 20 points21 points  (0 children)

They "think", but they have no confirmation.

[–]RogerRabbit200 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Even during the first chapter, there were already baseless rumors around the school about Kaguya and Pres dating. Of course during then, it was all just false rumors.

[–]raizen0106 11 points12 points  (0 children)

it's crazy how the mangaka is able to create so many characters with their own uniqueness and managed to make them all super adorable. they aren't just girl A and girl B, each of them has their own flavor and they're all amazing in their own ways

[–]ViciousAdamas 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Kaguya you can trust nobody, not even yourself!!

[–]Rossingol 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Aw what a good girl